From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #335 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 26 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 335 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #260 [William Waddell ] Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination [jeannie ] Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination [Michael Flaherty ] RE: Concert Manners ?? (NJC) ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Concert Manners ?? (NJC) ["Lindsay Moon" ] NJC CD turns 25 [FMYFL@aol.com] RE : Re: RE : Adoption now movies NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: Concert Manners ?? (NJC) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Your top 3 Joni moments [Deb Messling ] RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination SJC--dead horse department, or is it banging one's head against a brick wall? :-) [] Subject: Re: how many animals? njc [Bruce Eggleston Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #260 >>> Shine in Wikipedia, Jerry Notaro quoted: Strange Birds of Appetite Ha ha ha! Isn't that an album by David Letterman? WtS _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:34:01 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: pg 21 of Rolling Stone Yet when I met her, when this new work was only a rumour, she did say this was a romantic, slow dancing record... perhaps she was referring to the music part, not the lyrics? >"This record is more about what is affecting the Earth: war, famine, greenhouse gases." [in other words, it's a dance record.RR]< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination Does anybody know what the literary critics from Yeats' estate make of Joni's adaptation? Jeanne AJ wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald A. Notaro" > For what it's worth, Joni did approach and receive permission from Yeats' > estate to rework Slouching towards Bethlehem. I think that demonstrates > commendable artistic integrity. > > Jerry I wouldn't argue that she didn't do it with integrity, and that it didn't have great meaning for her. And that she no doubt felt a profound artistic urge to do it. I just think it was a mistake. Does that make sense? It doesn't honor Yeats or Mitchell. - --AJ - --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:43:43 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination - -------------- Original message from jeannie : -------------- > Does anybody know what the literary critics from Yeats' estate make of Joni's > adaptation? > > Jeanne > I think that Yeats is in the public domain now. His poems are widely available on the web. The so-called Mickey Mouse Law (which let Disney keep rights to, well, Mickey Mouse for another 50 yrs after the copyright ran out) protected some parts of some literary estates if the heirs were very vigilant and insistent, as Stephen Joyce was (Ulysses and Finnegans Wake, for instance, are still not in the public domain, though Dubliners is), but most of Yeats seems to be available. I'm absolutely Kipling is public doman now (not that that many people would care--sorry; I just think of "If" as a sappy poem). - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:01:52 -0400 From: "James Leahy" Subject: Herbie Digs Joni As far as I know, the first review of River: http://nymag.com/guides/fallpreview/2007/music/36613/ Text follows: Herbie Digs Joni The jazz-pop master reimagines Joni Mitchell. By Martin Johnson As a former protigi of Miles Davis and the composer of classics like "Maiden Voyage" and "Cantaloupe Island," Herbie Hancock has never lacked for jazz cred. He's also demonstrated pretty major prowess in pop, with instrumental hits like 1973's "Chameleon" and 1983's early MTV staple "Rockit." Yet in his more recent work, the 67-year-old pianist has failed to take full advantage of his versatility, veering from jazz to pop and back again with less than stellar results. His pop work has been schlocky and stiff, while his jazz recordings have been uncharacteristically distant and cold. Only when Hancock has merged the styles-his approach on the upcoming River: The Joni Letters-has he found success. At first glance, the current project doesn't look terribly promising. It's basically a Joni Mitchell tribute, of which there've been many. Her songbook has been plundered by just about everybody. But Hancock comes to these songs with uncommon sensitivity and understanding. He and Mitchell, longtime Angelenos, have been friends for decades and have played on each other's recordings. Her multiple talents even trump his. "I've admired Joni for many years for her genius and for her being a Renaissance woman," he says. "Her lyrics, poetry, painting. She even wrote a ballet." As one of his first moves, Hancock sought out Larry Klein, Joni's ex and the producer of nearly half of Mitchell's catalogue. They chose the roster of singers and then worked out a variety of backing groups, often featuring Hancock's fellow Miles alums Wayne Shorter and Dave Holland. Hancock was attracted to the project, in part, by the challenge of making words central. "I'm not accustomed to paying attention to lyrics," he said. "I'm used to harmonies and melodies." He paused and retreated a little. "I can recognize great lyrics when I hear them. But a lot of the time it's like a foreign language that I can't really translate." River succeeds because of the mood. Hancock creates a ruminative core sound; an all-star cast of singers deepens the vibe. Tina Turner, Norah Jones, Corinne Bailey Rae, and Mitchell herself provide vocals. There's even a transcendent reading of Shorter's wistful sixties classic "Nefertiti" and a take of Duke Ellington's "Solitude" woven into the otherwise all-Mitchell program, and they fit perfectly. This isn't the Joni of "Chelsea Morning," bright and spry, but rather Mitchell in a small Dumbo club that requires a password for entry. The recording closes with Leonard Cohen reciting the stanzas to Mitchell's 1975 song "The Jungle Line," accompanied only by Hancock's piano, a spare and dramatic rendition. Hancock came of age when pop and jazz overlapped comfortably, and he's at his best when he shows us how they still can. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination I think by "make of" Jeannie meant "what do they think about it?" (I have no idea), not how much money do they make (as A. J. said, 0). Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:46:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination Only his works before 1923 are in the public domain, and only if you are referring to United States copyright. Joni sells her cd's world wide, and all of his work in Great Britain and the EU are still under copyright. So she did need permission from his estate, and she most certainly could have had to remunerate for the permission. Jerry ajfashion@att.net wrote: > > > -------------- Original message from jeannie > : -------------- > > >> Does anybody know what the literary critics from Yeats' estate make of >> Joni's >> adaptation? >> >> Jeanne >> > > I think that Yeats is in the public domain now. His poems are > widely available on the web. The so-called Mickey Mouse > Law (which let Disney keep rights to, well, Mickey Mouse > for another 50 yrs after the copyright ran out) > protected some parts of some literary estates if the heirs > were very vigilant and insistent, as Stephen Joyce was (Ulysses > and Finnegans Wake, for instance, are still not in the public > domain, though Dubliners is), but most of Yeats seems to > be available. > > I'm absolutely Kipling is public doman now (not that that > many people would care--sorry; I just think of "If" as > a sappy poem). > > --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:35:07 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination - -------------- Original message from jeannie : -------------- Sorry, sorry, sorry for not making myself clear and understood, as usual. :) Yes, I meant maybe reviews on Joni's musical adaptation of STB given by respected literary critics, maybe some staunch Yeats defenders who consider themselves part of his estate just because they love Yeats' works from their soul so much or Professors who teach Yeats' passionate works at Oxford or Cambridge or anywhere? ______________________________________________________________ I'm not a Yeats scholar at all, though I do have a close friend who is (and spends every summer in Ireland). Next time I see him I'll ask. My hunch is most Yeats scholars aren't aware of the Mitchell song, and would probably be, at best, indifferent to it, and more likely see it in the way a couple of us here on the list do. In other words, as a work which diminishes both Mitchell's prodigious genius and Yeats's inestimable genius. By which I mean Mitchell is best when she's doing her own music and lyric, and "Slouching Toward Bethlehem" is a much much more powerful work as a poem than it is as a song, even or especially with the words changed. I guess my main thing is that Yeats's poems have a very distinct and singular music of their own. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination Sorry, sorry, sorry for not making myself clear and understood, as usual. :) Yes, I meant maybe reviews on Joni's musical adaptation of STB given by respected literary critics, maybe some staunch Yeats defenders who consider themselves part of his estate just because they love Yeats' works from their soul so much or Professors who teach Yeats' passionate works at Oxford or Cambridge or anywhere? Jeannie Michael Flaherty wrote: I think by "make of" Jeannie meant "what do they think about it?" (I have no idea), not how much money do they make (as A. J. said, 0). Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:24:11 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, how many animals? now chicken scratching... Hey farmers, farmers! Happy Saturday! After a horrible week (my garden gate came crashing down with all kinds of bad news about friends and kin, but I won't burden you with all that) I'm trying to wash and balance myself with some heart and humour and humility, so here goes some silliness. Hell, what a beautiful place you have...lovely landscapes to discover. Congrats on being the JMDL's #1 Farmer! I'd like to go on down to your Yasgur's Farm...etc. And Mack, your chicken story made this song pop into my head. It was a Louis Jordan song that, I think, was covered by Asleep at the Wheel. (RR, c'est vrai?) It's just a fun, happy song. I'll bet Hillbilly Bob gets a kick out out of it. Ain't Nobody Here But Us Chickens One night farmer Brown, Was takin' the air, Locked up the barnyard With the greatest of care Down in the henhouse Somethin' stirred When he shouted "Who's there?" This is what he heard: There ain't nobody here but us chickens There ain't nobody here at all So calm yourself, And stop your fuss There ain't nobody here but us We chickens tryin' to sleep, And you butt in And hobble, hobble hobble hobble With your chin There ain't nobody here but us chickens There ain't nobody here at all You're stompin' around And shakin' the ground, You're kickin' up an awful dust We chicken's tryin' to sleep And you butt in And hobble, hobble hobble hobble It's a sin Tomorrow Is a busy day We got things to do We got eggs to lay We got ground to dig And worms to scratch It takes a lot of settin' Gettin' chicks to hatch There ain't nobody here but us chickens There ain't nobody here at all So quiet yourself, And stop your fuss There ain't nobody here but us Kindly point that gun, The other way And hobble, hobble hobble off and Hit the hay Tomorrow Is a busy day We got things to do We got eggs to lay We got ground to dig And worms to scratch It takes a lot of settin' Gettin' chicks to hatch There ain't nobody here but us chickens There ain't nobody here at all So quiet yourself, And stop your fuss There ain't nobody here but us Kindly point that gun, The other way And hobble, hobble hobble of and Hit the hay "Hey boss man What do ya say?" It's easy pickens, Ain't nobody here but us chickens **** Shut me up and talk to me I'm always talking Chicken squawking Please talk to me - -- JM Love, Patti P., jes chicken scratchin' on a steamy Saturday P.S. Hey! Isn't it cheeto's day? Let me check my Cameronian Calendar. Oui, oui: "August 25th: religiously brush teeth after scarfing down entire bag of cheetos" Just don't use any Chinese Cafe toothpaste! Subject: Re: how many animals? njc Being raised a farmboy and up until 5 years ago still living in a rural area I always had chickens. Loved them. Reading about yours Hell brought it back. Want some now but not in the city is that allowed. An odd little boy was I and each one had their own name. Course people that don't know chickens don't realize that each one is very different and all have their own personality. Nothing sweeter than a baby chick and watching them hatch was one of the greatest joys of life. Or wondeing where a hen went and then she showed up with a brood of babies following behind her. Thanks Hell, lol mack _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:18:08 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination Thanks Jerry, for this information. I guess I thought "A Prayer for My Daughter" was written later than it in fact was, since I was surprised to find it online (I plan to teach it this fall). - --AJ - -------------- Original message from "Gerald A. Notaro" : -------------- > Only his works before 1923 are in the public domain, and only if you are > referring to United States copyright. Joni sells her cd's world wide, and > all of his work in Great Britain and the EU are still under copyright. So > she did need permission from his estate, and she most certainly could have > had to remunerate for the permission. > > Jerry > > ajfashion@att.net wrote: > > > > > > -------------- Original message from jeannie > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Does anybody know what the literary critics from Yeats' estate make of > >> Joni's > >> adaptation? > >> > >> Jeanne > >> > > > > I think that Yeats is in the public domain now. His poems are > > widely available on the web. The so-called Mickey Mouse > > Law (which let Disney keep rights to, well, Mickey Mouse > > for another 50 yrs after the copyright ran out) > > protected some parts of some literary estates if the heirs > > were very vigilant and insistent, as Stephen Joyce was (Ulysses > > and Finnegans Wake, for instance, are still not in the public > > domain, though Dubliners is), but most of Yeats seems to > > be available. > > > > I'm absolutely Kipling is public doman now (not that that > > many people would care--sorry; I just think of "If" as > > a sappy poem). > > > > --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:39:22 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, "Take a Stand Day" August 28th This Tuesday is "Take a Stand Day". August 28th: if you are driving into town to "plot strategy to camp outside Starbucks September 24th", you might see one of these vigils. Don't pass their good music on by. http://pol.moveon.org/event/events/index.html?rc=harry&action_id=92 I'm going to tell you again now if you're still listening there: If you support the cause but can't attend, at least drive by and honk and wave. It keep the spirits up. Let your little light shine Let your little light shine Shine on good humor Shine on good will Shine on lousy leadership Licensed to kill Shine on dying soldiers In patriotic pain Shine on mass destruction In some God's name! Peace, Patti NPIMH: Stand In the end you'll still be you One that's done all the things you set out to do Stand There's a cross for you to bear Things to go through if you're going anywhere Stand For the things you know are right It s the truth that the truth makes them so uptight Stand All the things you want are real You have you to complete and there is no deal Stand. stand, stand Stand. stand, stand Stand You've been sitting much too long There's a permanent crease in your right and wrong Stand There's a midget standing tall And the giant beside him about to fall Stand. stand, stand Stand. stand, stand Stand They will try to make you crawl And they know what you're saying makes sense and all Stand Don't you know that you are free Well at least in your mind if you want to be Everybody Stand, stand, stand (the long versions of Em's sig file....thanks for putting that in my heart and mind, Em!) _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:20:11 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination SJC--dead horse department, or is it banging one's head against a brick wall? :-) I just finished teaching Yeats this semester: "Prayer" was written in June of 1919, "The Second Coming" in January of the same year. The last 4 lines of "Prayer," How but in custom and in ceremony Are innocence and beauty born? Ceremony's a name for the rich horn, And custom for the spreading laurel tree. Seem to echo the earlier poem ironically: The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Speaking of these Yeats lines, how anyone can think Joni's version is an improvement is beyond me: The ceremony sinks Innocence is drowned In anarchy The best lack conviction Given some time to think And the worst are full of passion Without mercy It doesn't even mean the same thing. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of ajfashion@att.net Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:18 PM To: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Cc: Gerald A. Notaro; jeannie; notaro@stpt.usf.edu; jmdl Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination Thanks Jerry, for this information. I guess I thought "A Prayer for My Daughter" was written later than it in fact was, since I was surprised to find it online (I plan to teach it this fall). - --AJ - -------------- Original message from "Gerald A. Notaro" : -------------- > Only his works before 1923 are in the public domain, and only if you are > referring to United States copyright. Joni sells her cd's world wide, and > all of his work in Great Britain and the EU are still under copyright. So > she did need permission from his estate, and she most certainly could have > had to remunerate for the permission. > > Jerry > > ajfashion@att.net wrote: > > > > > > -------------- Original message from jeannie > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Does anybody know what the literary critics from Yeats' estate make of > >> Joni's > >> adaptation? > >> > >> Jeanne > >> > > > > I think that Yeats is in the public domain now. His poems are > > widely available on the web. The so-called Mickey Mouse > > Law (which let Disney keep rights to, well, Mickey Mouse > > for another 50 yrs after the copyright ran out) > > protected some parts of some literary estates if the heirs > > were very vigilant and insistent, as Stephen Joyce was (Ulysses > > and Finnegans Wake, for instance, are still not in the public > > domain, though Dubliners is), but most of Yeats seems to > > be available. > > > > I'm absolutely Kipling is public doman now (not that that > > many people would care--sorry; I just think of "If" as > > a sappy poem). > > > > --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:10:15 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Academics and misc. news items Marion wrote: (Irony again, and just to make things clear, I am an academic myself so I don't hate them;-) Moi non plus. Some of my best friends are academics. And here is a new one I just read about: "Make That `Dr.' Queen (combined wire reports) Guitarist and songwriter Brian May has completed his doctorate in astrophysics, three decades after he put academia on hold to form the rock group Queen. The rocker was awarded his qualification Thursday by London's Imperial College after submitting his thesis, "Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud." May was an astrophysics student at Imperial when he joined Freddie Mercury and Roger Taylor to form Queen in 1970, and dropped his doctorate as the glam rockers became famous." Kind of a Joni-ish title, or maybe it's just my JMOCD. Clouds, (showered off the) dust, icy altitudes, particles of change.....oh, don't mind me! Ooby shooby! And here's another interesting one. If I were to give it a separate subject line, it would be: "They took all the trees..." (Ms. Treegreen, you will not like this...not one little bit!) "Felled Trees Costly For Midler August 23, 2007 Hartford Courant Bette Midler cut down more than 230 trees around one of her properties on the Hawaiian island of Kauai without a permit, and the state has recommended she be fined. The staff of the Board of Land and Natural Resources recommended $6,500 in fines for having the trees felled and for building a graded road without permits. The singer and actress will pay the fines and will follow a replanting program, her attorney Max W. J. Graham said. Midler, who was born in Honolulu, didn't realize permits were needed to remove the trees on a vacant 58,000-square-foot parcel on Kauai's North Shore, Graham said. "The whole idea with cutting the trees down was with the idea of improving the lot with native species" instead of the nonnative, invasive species that had grown there, Graham said. "It's unfortunate that a mistake was made." A botanist hired by Midler after the fact said 120 Java plum trees, 100 octopus trees and 10 to 20 Madagascar olive trees that were cut down were all nonnative species. Some native trees also were removed from the property, the botanist said." And a few more things, in "Today's Birthdays": Rock singer Elvis Costello is 53. Jazz musician Wayne Shorter is 74. And what about that hot air balloon in hot hot blazes I saw on CNN that came down in smoke and ash in Vancouver? I hope it was not near Joni's property. I'm sad for the people that were hurt or killed (don't know all the details). Okay, I'm just avoiding the housework I should be doing. Friends and kin are coming to my kitchen ce soir. Bon weekend! Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:56:54 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Concert Manners ?? (NJC) I don't get out much but when Crowded House reunites after 11 years and tours . hey, I'm there! Saw them at a lovely waterside venue and was so excited. Then the audience came. Talked incessantly (loudly), drank a lot (there was a bar at the back of the lawn area), wandered endlessly to the bar, restrooms, who knows where . ugh! What do you do after you ask people repeatedly to shush up and they don't? Go get the usher and then things get ugly? It astounds me that people paid really good money for these seats and then couldn't shut up to enjoy it. What did they come for? I think Joni should call the band and give them a few choice rejoinders ("You're acting like a bunch of tourists, man!" might not hit the right note in these times) The band and Neil Finn sounded just great, although I wish they had turned up Neil's mike a little more . Dave Blackburn, where were you to get the sound right?? Their new album is just wonderful and I'd recommend it highly. Now you can return to discussing Joni . Lindsay in San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:05:09 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Concert Manners ?? (NJC) Was this show perchance at Humphrey's by the Bay? I saw Richard Thompson there many years ago and it was the rudest audience I had ever encountered. Chastain Park in Atlanta is another venue where people want to drink, picnic and chat, rather than listen. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lindsay Moon Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:57 PM To: joni list Subject: Concert Manners ?? (NJC) I don't get out much but when Crowded House reunites after 11 years and tours . hey, I'm there! Saw them at a lovely waterside venue and was so excited. Then the audience came. Talked incessantly (loudly), drank a lot (there was a bar at the back of the lawn area), wandered endlessly to the bar, restrooms, who knows where . ugh! What do you do after you ask people repeatedly to shush up and they don't? Go get the usher and then things get ugly? It astounds me that people paid really good money for these seats and then couldn't shut up to enjoy it. What did they come for? I think Joni should call the band and give them a few choice rejoinders ("You're acting like a bunch of tourists, man!" might not hit the right note in these times) The band and Neil Finn sounded just great, although I wish they had turned up Neil's mike a little more . Dave Blackburn, where were you to get the sound right?? Their new album is just wonderful and I'd recommend it highly. Now you can return to discussing Joni . Lindsay in San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:19:09 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: RE: Concert Manners ?? (NJC) Why, yes, it was. I'll know now not to go again. Pity that it's such a beautiful venue. I'm writing them a letter complaining and suggesting they close the bar after the first act to cut down on all the nonsense. But I suggested to them that they'll laugh and throw it in the trash ... They have four songs to listen to on www.crowdedhouse.com. For my money, you can't beat Neil Finn as a songsmith. Lindsay - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:05 PM To: 'Lindsay Moon'; 'joni list' Subject: RE: Concert Manners ?? (NJC) Was this show perchance at Humphrey's by the Bay? I saw Richard Thompson there many years ago and it was the rudest audience I had ever encountered. Chastain Park in Atlanta is another venue where people want to drink, picnic and chat, rather than listen. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lindsay Moon Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:57 PM To: joni list Subject: Concert Manners ?? (NJC) I don't get out much but when Crowded House reunites after 11 years and tours . hey, I'm there! Saw them at a lovely waterside venue and was so excited. Then the audience came. Talked incessantly (loudly), drank a lot (there was a bar at the back of the lawn area), wandered endlessly to the bar, restrooms, who knows where . ugh! What do you do after you ask people repeatedly to shush up and they don't? Go get the usher and then things get ugly? It astounds me that people paid really good money for these seats and then couldn't shut up to enjoy it. What did they come for? I think Joni should call the band and give them a few choice rejoinders ("You're acting like a bunch of tourists, man!" might not hit the right note in these times) The band and Neil Finn sounded just great, although I wish they had turned up Neil's mike a little more . Dave Blackburn, where were you to get the sound right?? Their new album is just wonderful and I'd recommend it highly. Now you can return to discussing Joni . Lindsay in San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:34:54 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC CD turns 25 I read in today's newspaper that 25 yrs ago the "CD" began rolling off the assembly line near Hanover, Germany. The first title release was ABBA's "The Visitor" Are we getting old or what? I have but a handful of LP's left of my collection these days replacing them all with the CD. I can't remember what year I got my first CD player, probably 1985 I think, but I do remember the first 4 CD's we bought that day. They were: Joni's "Court & Spark" Police "Synchronicity" Donald Fagen "The Nightfly" Bach "Die Grosse Silbermannorgel Des Domes Zu Freiberg" ( I just had to look that one up DUH!) Quite a mixture eh? Jimmy, the old fart ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:03:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: RE : Adoption now movies NJC Thanks for the responses, y'all. I will watch The Other Mother as soon as possible or before this semester will render me 'unusable' again. I have seen "The Lives of Others" last summer here in Chapel Hill and I was impressed by the complicated plot lines and the redemptive ending. For those who have seen Coppola's "The Conversation" (which I highly recommend), "The Lives of Others" folows the same narrative trajectory. Always fascinating to see how the private becomes public and how human automatons tasked to destroy almost always display a heart. An illusorious image but one I am happy to see depicted in celluloid. As for Lynch's "Inland Empire" I don't think I want to see this film anytime soon after seeing it late last spring in Durham. Fans of Lynch should expect the unexpected from Lynch (for how did anyone even remotely guess or prepare for "The Straight Story" whenit came out a few years ago?). But in "Inland Empire" where Lynch admitted his creativity was given a new leash thanks to his discovery of the digital recorder, it was unlike what he has shown us in "Twin Peaks", "Mulholland Drive" and "Lost Highway". This time you are not sure if the whole subjective reality in the film is about the audience watching the film and how our reactions mirror the dense and bizarre and nonlinear narrative. But Laura Dern triumphs in all the scenes she's in. Plus the characters/actors in previous Lynch films resurface to do cameo scenes like that scary looking woman with a faux foreign accent as the nosy neighbor in the beginning. Laura Palmer was finally seen. Speaking of foreign movies, has anyone seen Lee Tamahori's "ONce Were Warriors"? It is a great NZ film that I first saw inManila in the mid 90s. While in Auckland in the last few days, I rented it and watched it again with my sister. Forgot how violent the scenes were and how the culture of violence among Maori denizens is taken as an extension of the patriarchy. I chatted with a professor at the University of Auckland when I was there and was told that despite the desire to change and erase such cinematic representations that unfairly depict a culture, the violence is sometimes institutionalized. Just like in other cultures. As a homage to Anotnioni and Bergman who very recently passed away within 24 hours of each other's demise, our local video store offered a two-fer where for the price of one, you can get two Anotnionis or two Bergmans. I am getting Bergman's "Scenes from a Marriage" and "Sarabande". Jetlagged, Joseph in very hot and humid Chapel Hill np: Wilhelmenia Fernandez - I got rhythm Mags a icrit : g'morning Joseph, and everyone, yes, I've seen Secrets and Lies, and love it. I must watch if again, soon, for I have forgotten some of the details. I do remember the actors as extraordinary, and the treatment of the story as "real", with lots of surprises. Secrets and Lies is poignant on many levels, because it demonstrates so beautifully, the ripple effect that goes on behind the scenes in the lives of those involved, with and without words. Joseph, if you are interested in the subject, there's a wonderful film called The Other Mother, a story about the reunion and after life of a woman who decided to search for her birth son. As a young unwed mother, she was "sent away" to be cared for by the sisters of some Catholic home for girls. Shades of Magdalene Laundries, well not that bad but still, immersed in and informed by shame and blame. Other Mother was a made for tv film, but it might be floating around somewhere. This film does a great job too, as it describes what it was like for all involved, because as Ben Harper sings, every moral has its story. Joseph, thanks so much for the suggestions re: the other films. I think I saw Losing Isaiah, but was not impressed. I watched most of The Lives of Others last night, a powerful most film. Mags, writing up a storm~ Joseph Palis wrote: Interesting insights. Very illuminating. Although I do not have anything substantial to say about adoption, I was wondering if you watched any of these films that dealt with adoption: (1) Losing Isaiah (2) Secrets & Lies (3) Immediate Family (4) Born in Absurdistan If you have seen any of these films, I would like to hear what you have to say (or email me off-list). Mike Leigh's "Secrets & Lies" is my favorite in the list. I am not sure if it is possible for Cynthia (Brenda Blethyn's character) to not know that she had a (black) baby, but her coming together with Hortense (the underrated Marianne Jean-Baptiste) in the course of the movie is very realistically portrayed onscreen. "Born in Absurdistan" is a funny Euro movie the theme of which verges on the black comedy and can be painful. "Immediate Family" has its moments but the ending was predictable. Same with "Losing Isaiah". Joseph in Apple Chill np: more humming of the A/C - --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail - --------------------------------- Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:32:00 -0700 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: NJC: Richie Havens in Mill Valley last night: Woodstock (SJC?) Richie gave an amazing intimate 2 hours concert, last night, at the exquisite venue, 142 Throckmorton. He is so adorable, and humble and such a great musical and human treasure to us all. He performed Jackson Brown's "Lives In The Balance", and afterwards, during the applause, my friend turned to me and said: "I heard Jackson open for Joni once". And I said: "Wouldn't it be great if Richie played a Joni song?" and without skipping a beat, went into "Woodstock". The place went nuts, absolute awe. The entire show was amazing. And the ecores: "Follow" had us out of our skins in space, crying and joyful. He closed with 'Maggie's Farm' and 'Won't Get Fooled Again' with the closing chords of Baba O'Riley. It was uber-magical. And he came out into the lobby afterwards and signed and talked with and photographed with anyone who wanted to. Such a living treasure.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:40:28 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Auction's end: Joni signed print. VOICES show http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230162138282 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:27:41 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Concert Manners ?? (NJC) On Aug 25, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > Was this show perchance at Humphrey's by the Bay? I saw Richard > Thompson > there many years ago and it was the rudest audience I had ever > encountered. > Chastain Park in Atlanta is another venue where people want to > drink, picnic > and chat, rather than listen. > Yeah, Chastain is bad like that. I remember going to see YES there with Paz and Muller and whole families were there, chatting through songs like "Awaken" or "Heart of the Sunrise"...speaking of YES, I opened my set today with "Wondrous Stories"...I just learned it so it needs a little time to get really smooth but what a great song (and no, I didn't sing it Jon Anderson's key...even brought down its still pretty high...lol) I'm going to the Black Crowes tomorrow night at Chastain...its a rocknroll set up meaning no coolers so hopefully chatter will be down to a minimum. Coolers and picnics are allowed for Stevie Wonder in a few weeks but maybe people will be quiet seeing as he only tours every 10 years or so. One can always hope. Neil Young stopped in the middle of a song there once, totally pissed off. Victor setlist from Chattahoochee River Festival 7-25-07 Wondrous Stories (J.Anderson) Heavenly Eyes Real World Carolina Soulshine (W.Haynes) Ahdayneekay Roses Way to Blue After the Goldrush (N.Young) Box of Rain (Lesh, Hunter) Sailing to New Orleans Redemption Songs (B.Marley) Georgia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:55:10 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Your top 3 Joni moments I've been ruminating on this one for several days, because how to choose? 1. The first time I heard Joni. I bought "Clouds" on July 19, 1969, because my sister told me to. I put on side 2 first (to hear Both Sides Now), so the first Joni song I ever heard was The Gallery. I was immediately smitten. 2. Hearing "Blue" for the first time. I was in love with Joni the magic princess, and when I heard "Blue" I was bewildered at first. This was such a different sound, so much more modern, so much less "pretty" and precious. I was suspicious of it at first, then grew to love it, and then realized that I was committed to Joni for the long haul,and would trust her to lead me to beauty if I would only give her the chance. 3. Seeing Joni at Forest Hills Tennis Stadium in 1979 - an amazing, transcendent performance. I was in the cheap seats in the company of a girlfriend who didn't much care about Joni, but the brilliance of that performance - Joni and her band - broke through the distractions. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination SJC--dead horse department, or is it banging one's head against a brick wall? :-) Hi Richard! I feel I should call you, "Professor Flynn," and not, "Richard," for your educated and pleasant to read opinion. I got it. You're a fine teacher. Thank you! Jeannie Richard Flynn wrote: I just finished teaching Yeats this semester: "Prayer" was written in June of 1919, "The Second Coming" in January of the same year. The last 4 lines of "Prayer," How but in custom and in ceremony Are innocence and beauty born? Ceremony's a name for the rich horn, And custom for the spreading laurel tree. Seem to echo the earlier poem ironically: The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Speaking of these Yeats lines, how anyone can think Joni's version is an improvement is beyond me: The ceremony sinks Innocence is drowned In anarchy The best lack conviction Given some time to think And the worst are full of passion Without mercy It doesn't even mean the same thing. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of ajfashion@att.net Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:18 PM To: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Cc: Gerald A. Notaro; jeannie; notaro@stpt.usf.edu; jmdl Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem's First Origination Thanks Jerry, for this information. I guess I thought "A Prayer for My Daughter" was written later than it in fact was, since I was surprised to find it online (I plan to teach it this fall). - --AJ - -------------- Original message from "Gerald A. Notaro" : -------------- > Only his works before 1923 are in the public domain, and only if you are > referring to United States copyright. Joni sells her cd's world wide, and > all of his work in Great Britain and the EU are still under copyright. So > she did need permission from his estate, and she most certainly could have > had to remunerate for the permission. > > Jerry > > ajfashion@att.net wrote: > > > > > > -------------- Original message from jeannie > > : -------------- > > > > > >> Does anybody know what the literary critics from Yeats' estate make of > >> Joni's > >> adaptation? > >> > >> Jeanne > >> > > > > I think that Yeats is in the public domain now. His poems are > > widely available on the web. The so-called Mickey Mouse > > Law (which let Disney keep rights to, well, Mickey Mouse > > for another 50 yrs after the copyright ran out) > > protected some parts of some literary estates if the heirs > > were very vigilant and insistent, as Stephen Joyce was (Ulysses > > and Finnegans Wake, for instance, are still not in the public > > domain, though Dubliners is), but most of Yeats seems to > > be available. > > > > I'm absolutely Kipling is public doman now (not that that > > many people would care--sorry; I just think of "If" as > > a sappy poem). > > > > --AJ - --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:40:42 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Subject: Re: how many animals? njc Dear Bob, The animal question, "to Fifi or not to Fifi", has been a central one throughout my 56 years. I was born and raised on a ranch and my folks bought and sold all kinds of livestock. My mother who lives next door on her 120 acres still has over 40 head of horses, some cows and many dogs and cats. My wife and I, who live on 20 acres, have five horses, two lap dogs, three cats, seven ducks and two chickens. I have raised thousands of head of livestock of every description, the majority of which were hogs. My dilemna is that I have always wanted to live any where but a farm with animals. It is part of my adolescent rebellion to which I cling to this very day. The trouble is that I married a wonderful woman who always wanted to live on a farm with lots of animals. So you can see how that went. I do love living in the country, it is very therapeutic and helps me cope with my very stressful job as a city planner. It would be a lot more pleasant without the animals. I do love our lap dogs, a miniature red daschund and yapping Chihuahua. I would buy another daschund puppy when the inevitable happens, so I'm not totally out of the pet realm. It does make it very difficult to travel and leave all this in the care of others. I am at a point in my life where travel is becoming more important, as I have lived my life both literally and figuratively minding the farm both for myself and for my loved ones. Since the late Sixties I have always dreamed of spending time in the artists' haunts of the Eastern Seaboard and Europe. I have yet to make it. I have a degree in fine art and studied architecture for this pending journey that I have yet to take. I know it is more than just the farm keeping me here, but I am quickly running out of time to live my dream. It would seem that it would be more easily accomplished without the great demands that the farm, we raise hay and grain, and the animals put upon one. Sorry for the whimper, but I thought you'd understand. Bonneville Bruce Listening to the coyotes howl out in the hay field. > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:32:19 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: how many animals? njc > > I've got a cat, but I'm actually ready to take a break from animals > for > awhile. We've had one or more pets for 22 consecutive years, and > I'm the > ONLY one that feeds, waters, tends litter boxes, walks, etc. Everyone > wants a kitten/puppy, and no one wants a cat/dog. I've reached a > point in > my life where I don't feel the need to live with animals anymore. > > Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #335 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------