From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #333 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, August 24 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 333 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Stamp, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Your top 3 Joni moments [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Your top 3 (or four) Joni moments [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: 3 Great Joni Stimulants I mean moments [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Your top 3 (or four) Joni moments [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Your top 3 Joni moments ["Ross, Les" ] Re: njc, TV alerts: Monterey Pop Festival on PBS, and Barack on Jon Stewart [Bob.Muller@Fl] Herbie Hancock's "River: The Joni Letters [David Sapp ] seeing Joni in concert [Kate Johnson ] Excuse the bandwidth NJC ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Top Moments [Motitan@aol.com] Say what? [Motitan@aol.com] SV: John, Bob, Simon - no Joni! ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Rolling Stone bloggers: Joni on Hear Music ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Rolling Stone bloggers: Joni on Hear Music [Motitan@aol.com] Re: little green encore une fois [Motitan@aol.com] Re: how many animals? njc ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:10:24 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Stamp, njc James pointed us to: > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20249961/ > Way cool! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:18:12 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Your top 3 Joni moments Monika asked: > What are > your top 3 elite Joni moments? The 3 moments that stand out to you the > most? > Hi Monika, So many moments.... I guess I'll say, seeing the album cover of Clouds for the first time; hearing the album Clouds for the first time, seeing Joni play and sing Coyote on the Last Waltz. Beyond a moment, the list has brought Joni to life for me. We might not be related to her by blood, but we are related to her by heart and mind. Love, Laura ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:20:54 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Your top 3 (or four) Joni moments 1. Seeing her in concert for the first time in '98 and then meeting and talking to her after the show. This one is certainly at the TOP of the heap of my many Joni moments. 2. Putting Hejira on the turntable, not knowing what to expect, and being blown away by those opening chords of "Coyote" and then everything that followed it on the record. 3. Getting one of the tape trees from Brian and stretching out on the couch with headphones on, realizing that there was a whole 'nuther world of Joni that I knew nothing about. 4. Attending my first Jonifest, and hanging out face to face with fellow fans who knew and loved her music as I did and could play and sing it. Bob NP: Beck, "Go It Alone" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Mark in Sydney NP I Sleep On My Heart - Level 42 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:32:13 -0500 From: "Russell Laird" Subject: Re: quote from Townes Van Zandt, njc Uh ... yeh, it was Mick an' Keef what done it, awright. And it was Townes' cover the Cohen Bros. chose to play over the credits at the close of "The Big Lebowski". On 8/22/07, Richard Flynn wrote: > > Umm . . . this is a Mick Jagger/ Keith Richards composition (first > appeared > on _Sticky Fingers_). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:14:19 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Your top 3 (or four) Joni moments sensible woman who lives in Connecticut> Delicious?!? Ooh la la, tell us more. Bob NP: Drive-By Truckers, "A World OF Hurt" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:28:55 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: Your top 3 Joni moments Monika asked: > What are > your top 3 elite Joni moments? The 3 moments that stand out to you > the most? > Well, I guess in chronological order it'd have to be.... 1. Drowning in the Hejira experience. I'd loved Joni already up to that point but Hejira (the album) just ended it all. There'd be nothing after that to match the perfection of that body of work at that time in my life. The music, the time (teens) and the place (home Scotland).... 2. Seeing her live in Edinburgh when she toured WTRF. She was in a b!tch of a mood that night, the second night she played there. The reviews of the first night were scathing at best and so she kinda took her vexation out on the second night's audience. My reaction, at the time, was of indignation with a substantial side order of 'Fuckage'. Resolved to bin all my Joni recordings as soon as I got back home (300 miles away), only after I screwed my head back on did I realise that this 'divine entity' I'd imagined JM to be was, after all, just another human being with feelings. When that epiphany eventually hardwired itself into my thinking, then I realised just what a great artist she was. These were not supernatural outpourings, these were the work of an ordinary woman with extraordinary talent. The cult of personality consigned to the bin and not her recorded works. The value of Joni's stock - off the scale. 3. First Jonifest. I remember distinctly checking into my hotel room before making my way to Ashara's house and thinking 'what the hell am I doing here? This is bound to be a gathering of navel gazing trainspotters earnestly pouring over hidden meanings, reported sightings and swapping beer mats from bars she just might have driven past on her way to the airport outa Billings Montana. But no. It was a sublime party...The Ganga Line...... Instant union. Fests are the best. So much greater than the sum of their parts. Les London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:46:39 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: njc, TV alerts: Monterey Pop Festival on PBS, and Barack on Jon Stewart And then we have to go about repairing all the damage this administration has wrought; according to Atlantic magazine it will take about 20 years. I wish we could just hold the elections THIS year instead of next. 70% of Americans are ready for change now and Bush's lame-duck, lame-brain finale promises nothing. My over-riding concern is that the whole system is irreparably broken. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Herbie Hancock's "River: The Joni Letters Amazon is listing this CD for sale with exclusive bonus tracks...hmmmm... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:07:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Herbie Hancock's "River: The Joni Letters Hi David, If you're interested in the precise track listing, you can go to Joni Undercover: http://www.jonimitchell.com/musician/undercover.cfm And select Herbie in the database search section, and you will see the track listing in all of its glory. Click on the red square beside each track and you will see the vocalist listed for each track where it's applicable (not all of the tracks feature vocals). Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Night Flight" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:19:02 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Re: Herbie Hancock's "River: The Joni Letters Thank you... the Amazon page for the CD also includes a Sonja Kitchell cover of All I Want and lists Case as a bonus track so I'm really confused now. The original article I saw ended with Jungle Line and I was disappointed that there were only 10 tracks now it appears there will be more which is a good thing. On another topic I just recently learned that you performed Slouching at the recent fest... is there a downloadable recording of this anywhere? I would love to hear it because I have always been so moved by your cover of Ethiopia... signing off for now, Peace, David Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Hi David, If you're interested in the precise track listing, you can go to Joni Undercover: http://www.jonimitchell.com/musician/undercover.cfm And select Herbie in the database search section, and you will see the track listing in all of its glory. Click on the red square beside each track and you will see the vocalist listed for each track where it's applicable (not all of the tracks feature vocals). Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Night Flight" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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As for my Slouching, thanks for the compliments my friend - you are too kind. As of now none of the audio is available from Jonifest 2007 as far as I'm aware but it is supposed to be at some point. Bob NP: Ben Folds, "Selfless, Cold & Composed" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:12:41 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Top Joni moments Hi Monika, that's not an easy question since Joni's music has been such an integrate part of my life. But I'll try: 1. Hearing Clouds and STAS for the first time. I don't remember which one I listened to first but I heard them after each other. It was such an epiphany! Suddenly there was this voice, this music, these lyrics that made so much sense of what I was feeling then. This was the beginning of a life-long relationship, with some years of time-out in between. 2. Rediscovering Joni last autumn. I was at a junction in my life and returned to Joni at precisely the right time. Amongst many other good things, it brought me to this list. 3. I haven't had this moment yet but I do hope I will: attending a Jonifest. At present, I guess I feel like Joni did when she couldn't go to Woodstock since I won't be able to go to England for the Eurofest next year. Marion ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:50:20 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: seeing Joni in concert I only saw her live in concert once. She played one night after dark at the Edmonton Folk Festival in 1995, I believe it was, on an outdoor stage. I went with Emil (whom we took in his wheelchair because there was a lot of walking), my former husband, and my current spouse. The crowd was very excited and obviously full of Joni fans. Unfortunately, a woman who had a place in the front stood with a child on her hip (raptly watching Joni), thus blocking the clear view of many of us who were behind her. People called out to the woman to sit down but she ignored them, and there followed vocal hostility toward her, which she returned in spades. I didn't join in any of that; I was appalled ... Joni was performing and this was going on! But I have always thought if I have a chance to see her again, I hope there is assigned seating rather than this crazy rush to get a good spot, and some dinkette in the front row with no consideration for the people behind her. Kate - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:07:49 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Excuse the bandwidth NJC Pardon me to everyone who isn't local to London, and doesn't know who the hell I am anyway. I'm sorry that my address book doen't seem to include many of the locals here so I'm posting this note.... This a quick invite to anyone in the London area on this Saturday night (25th). Strings, Chris and I will be playing a house concert in Lewisham at 8.30pm. Contact me off-list of you're interested. Thanks everyone. Martin. www.myspace.com/stryngs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:13:01 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Moments Oh you know what? I need to add another moment. I'd like to add finding this list as part of my Joni experience! It's great to have a place to discuss Miss Mitchell and her music in such an intelligent, thoughtful manner. Now granted I do tell my friends and family about Joni but many of them are just indifferent to me when I talk about her (with the exception of a few good friends and now the new boy I am seeing). I always know no matter what, if it was a long day and I'm tired or I had a bad day that when I sign on everything goes away and I get to dive in head first into wonderful discussions about Joni and her music. That always exhilarates me! - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:56:00 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Say what? I mentioned previously that I had read the book, "Hotel California" which details the 60's/70's Southern California music scene. It's such an interesting time and the idea of "little communities" (like Laurel Canyon) is just fascinating. Anyway, one thing out of quite a few things I didn't appreciate in this book was the following. The author had a section about how singer/songwriters were writing things they feel and writing about their own experiences. Sounds fine, yes? Well, he then got a bunch of different quotes of musicians and people talking about the writers and their experience. He said an anonymous source said something along the lines of this, "Joni Mitchell was the worst. She used all those guys (referring to musicians she dated) just to write about them and then tell them "fuck you" in her songs." Mind you, that is not a word-for-word quote as I don't have the book in front of me but that's the jist of it. I mean come on! Even if something like that was written about some other artist I would still question it and its validity. I mean, who did she use? She never really cared for anybody, eh? She just needed something to write about and wanted to say fuck you to others! Puh-lease. What is the point of having a quote like that in the book? I really do question if it is a real quote at all as it is said by an "anonymous source." - -Monika NP: Masters of War- Dylan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:28:58 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: SV: John, Bob, Simon - no Joni! I'm with you and Bob, Marion. If the authors left out Joni because she dipped her toe into Jazz influences, shouldn't Paul Simon be excluded for writing words to Nawlins' shuffles and using Lady Black Smith Mambazo? And another thing... Joni's excluded because she's not "typical" of the scene? So she's either exceptional or meaningless, but not "typical", right? I guess we all know she's not meaningless or typical, so I guess she's exceptional, by reduction. heh heh. Getting ready to go sailing, Jim L. >I emailed one of the authors asking for an explanation. And he replied promptly, saying they did not include Joni because she was not typical of the era they wrote about, the folkrock of the 60's! Also, she left the rock scene and went on to other genres so they didn't feel obliged to include her in the book at all. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:08:05 +0200 From: "Christian MACKOWSKI" Subject: Re: Your top 3 (or four) Joni moments - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian MACKOWSKI" To: Cc: "Patti Parlette" Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Your top 3 (or four) Joni moments > Hi Bob, > > How I understand you, and how lucky you are havin' met JONI. But I say to > myself : How lucky am I havin' "met" on this JMDL another greate delicious > sensible woman who lives in Connecticut....... > who convinced me not to leave The List............. > Chris (France) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: Your top 3 (or four) Joni moments > > >> > your top 3 elite Joni moments?> >> >> 1. Seeing her in concert for the first time in '98 and then meeting and >> talking to her after the show. This one is certainly at the TOP of the >> heap of my many Joni moments. >> >> 2. Putting Hejira on the turntable, not knowing what to expect, and being >> blown away by those opening chords of "Coyote" and then everything that >> followed it on the record. >> >> 3. Getting one of the tape trees from Brian and stretching out on the >> couch with headphones on, realizing that there was a whole 'nuther world >> of Joni that I knew nothing about. >> >> 4. Attending my first Jonifest, and hanging out face to face with fellow >> fans who knew and loved her music as I did and could play and sing it. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Beck, "Go It Alone" >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:38:14 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: njc, TV alerts: Monterey Pop Festival on PBS, and Barack on Jon Stewart Mack wrote: <> A few months ago, a youngish-sounding guy working for Obama's campaign called my house and asked me if they could count on my support. I told him I'm voting for Kucinich in the primary, but if Obama makes the ticket, then I would support him. Surprisingly, the guy (sounding like he was smiling) replied "I totally understand and am with you all the way on that." This, coming from a guy working for Obama's campaign! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Cafi  open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:55:15 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: little green encore une fois Hi Mags, I love the education! Thanks! We may not always reply, but we are there in spirit. I remember reading an article where Joni was explaining the pressure put on her to hurry up and make a decision. She was told something like, if she waits too long, they may not be able to place the child. Man, talk about pressure! I would think there would be lots of loving prospective parents willing to adopt a toddler, but what do I know. And I'm sure times were different back then. If she had waited until Kelly was a toddler, and a home was found for her, would the new parents then keep the same name, as the child has become accustomed to his or her old name? Mia _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:29:59 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Rolling Stone bloggers: Joni on Hear Music From http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/07/25/joni-mitchell-sign s-to-starbucks-hear-music-label/ Sphinx | 8/9/2007, 2:30 pm EST Wow - want some sour grapes with the coffee, guys? Mitchell has more musical talent in her baby finger than you could ever dream of. You want something to whine about? Whine about the relics (like the Who, etc.) who have allowed their songs to be endlessly played on car commercials, etc. richar | 8/3/2007, 9:17 pm EST Get a life. I'd rather hear Joni anywhere, anytime than NOT hear her. I'm so happy she's working, her lyrics alone are incredible, and then you add her voice, and class, and there is no one that can touch her. Joni, I hope you make a ton of dough teaming up w/ Sbucks while we benefit from the great distribution that Starbucks will bring. shapsnot | 8/2/2007, 8:09 pm EST More power to Joni! I don't care who whom or what she makes her deals with as long as she keeps the music coming. Can't wait to hear "Shine." Also looking forward to Herbie Hancock's album of Joni "covers." Glenn | 7/30/2007, 2:57 am EST If it means more listeners get to appreciate this wonderful talent then so be it. Hope there is a little of the piano playing and real acoustic guitar from her mid period. Not sure if I really love the electronic- sounding guitar effect on the last studio album. No doubt the lyrics will still be top notch. Frank Jump | 7/29/2007, 7:19 pm EST I had some dreams she has seen clouds in her coffee from both sides now. linda withers | 7/29/2007, 1:53 pm EST Joni had such a bad time with her record label in the past (they treated her with so much disrespect) I'm not surprised she has signed with Starbucks - needs must and she needs to get her stuff out there - she is the Queen of music linda withers | 7/29/2007, 1:53 pm EST Joni had such a bad time with her record label in the past (they treated her with so much disrespect) I'm not surprised she has signed with Starbucks - needs must and she needs to get her stuff out there - she is the Queen of music Otto | 7/29/2007, 12:33 pm EST Joni is one of the few artists working in music who can truly be called a genius. Over 30 years she produced an unbelievably rich and varied body of work, not only through words and music, but also through art and other visual media. All 3 times I saw her in concert she was amazing. I can't wait to hear her new songs! shindogg | 7/28/2007, 9:51 pm EST she looks a lil old to be joinin a record label. why don't you apply for librarian or secretary somewhere? Warpman2 | 7/28/2007, 8:41 am EST Re: PAUL McCartney. Mel, perhaps it's merely you that sucks. oscar santos | 7/27/2007, 8:49 pm EST So what if the great Joni Mitchell signs up with Starbucks? Where is so much conflict, my peace-loving warriors? Isn4t Greenpeace teamed with the previously known as villain Exxon? Why get up to bash the lady of our dreams - beautiful, intelligent and still working - just because she is the lady of our dreams???..Peace you all!! Jeff Johnson | 7/27/2007, 7:16 pm EST That scent on his fingers has turned into the sweet smell of cash. I know it's just jealousy but I would've loved to see her see it through with more dignity. The nearest Starbucks is an hour and a half away. Am I lucky? pete 77 | 7/27/2007, 5:58 pm EST Hey folks- give the lady some respect. Her music is/was beyond belief- no one has ever come close to her. I HATE it when the so-called "60's" stations play only Stones and Zep; at the time, she had as much 'juice' as anyone, before the return to rock's sexist days. Oh, yeah- I don't drink coffee. Jabahey | 7/26/2007, 2:52 pm EST ALL selling of records, CDs, music, concert tickets is "capitalistic". So what? Artists need venues to connect with people and sell their music. It sure isn't happening as a result of the bland/uninspired/evil/boring thing that ALL commercial radio has become. So whether it's through some god-awful major label, an indie label, a web site or a coffee store.who cares? Just glad that someone as experienced and talented as Mitchell is trying some way, ANY way, to get her music heard in this soulless culture of crap we currently live in. Barb | 7/26/2007, 1:18 am EST Joni rules no matter what. But I guess he doesn't play for free after all. Starbucks pays his tab. Remember Paris? Stoke that star maker machinery. re jughead | 7/26/2007, 12:46 am EST yes i'm sure you are..go joan Underdose | 7/25/2007, 10:57 pm EST I'm so sick of going into Starbucks and hearing that shitty Paul McCartney album.man it sucks. Bigstarlet | 7/25/2007, 10:03 pm EST Yo! Before anyone gets on Joni's case for signing to Hear Music, consider that, even back in her "prime", she never once had a Top 10 album, while those "influenced" by her (i.e. Jewel, et. al.) have been all over the charts. Can't we give praise to someone who showing the youngsters how it's done, and allow her to have a pay day, just this once? As long as the queen gets heard, what does it matter who, or what, signed her? Mel | 7/25/2007, 9:01 pm EST I love Joni, and I can't wait to hear more of her amazing lyrics and passionate strumming. Let's celebrate that we have new material rather than trashing this beautiful woman's latest sharing of her soul. I am thrilled to have new material regardless of where she chooses to market it. Ugly Bastard | 7/25/2007, 8:21 pm EST This will work out perfect for me! I don4t drink coffee and I can4t stand Joni Mitchell! Now if they could talk some more awful artists into signing with Starbucks4 label, the world could be a sweet place. Celine ? Gwen ? Akon ? Saltlick | 7/25/2007, 6:35 pm EST Granny enjoys her trendy laxitive.Urk. twistingbacchus | 7/25/2007, 6:29 pm EST I am SO DISSAPPOINTED in Joni Mitchell!!! Alas!!! Still yet another hippie sell out! (Heavy sigh!) Anonymous | 7/25/2007, 6:13 pm EST Umm.wasn't big yellow taxi about as anti-establishment as a song could get? Isn't her signing to a label run by starbucks then soaked with irony? Goddamnit joni mitchell. Nello | 7/25/2007, 3:32 pm EST Hey Victoria Hills, how many Starbucks Triple Mochas did you gobble down before you wrote that rant. Chill out a bit, eh? Victoria Hills | 7/25/2007, 1:27 pm EST It's a great dissapointment for me to be loyal to Toni Mitchell as I have been over the last 30 years..has she not been educated on what a capitalistic corp. like Starbucks is, impoverished coffee grower only get 25p per kilo for their crop and, self gratifying folks pay #2.30 for one cup of coffee containing about 2gms.. this disgusting support, "but ignorance is bliss", wake up Joni BUSTOS | 7/25/2007, 12:28 pm EST I like Joni,but coffee costing more than arms and legs just for a cup these days.HELP ME I think it's OUTRAGEOUS Flight Tonight | 7/25/2007, 12:03 pm EST " Paved Paradise Put Up a Starbucks Joint " YIPPIE | 7/25/2007, 11:54 am EST finally Joni Rules can't wait to hear it come sail away | 7/25/2007, 11:35 am EST Et tu, Joni? Starbucks has become a corporate behemoth. I just read that they're going to be charging nine cents more for their drinks. Do you really think someone like Joni Mitchell in this day and age could afford a three dollar cuppa joe? Buy local! Jughead | 7/25/2007, 11:26 am EST It's very fitting that Joni Mitchell will be on the Starbucks label. We can all use a fews shots of espresso and grande cappucinos to keep us awake when listening Joni Mitchell's stuff. Claude | 7/25/2007, 10:41 am EST I hope she has cut down on her smoking. - --- I don't make the opinions, I just cross-post them. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: re: little green encore une fois Good question, Mia. So nice to hear from you, btw. As far as the same name is concerned, if a child was adopted as a toddler, I would imagine the name may well remain the same. There are, of course, coincidences, however, for the most part, the adoptive parents were encouraged to give their baby a new name, with a view to getting a fresh start on things . I don't recall what age Joni's little Green was when she was given up for adoption. I thought the baby was only a few months old. Anyone else know? I'm not sure if the list/site has that information. Yes, the pressure was on, from all sides. The agency would want things to move forward as quickly as possible so that the new family could begin. That being said, it all comes down to the the birth mother's decision. She has to set things in motion. No matter what, If she did not sign the papers (in the family name), the child could not be adopted. And she/he would remain in foster care, until the birth mum was able to finalize things. And with that said, since Joni and women like her didnt have the supports in place, consequently there wasnt much else that they could do but surrender. I"ve argued this point before, there really wasnt a choice after all. Not sure if you know this either, but once the papers are signed, there is a "waiting period", to allow the birth mum one last opportunity to change her mind, if she so desired. Until then, the baby usually stays in the original foster home. Yes, the social clime was very difficult for young unwed mums . Lots of shame and blame, and not much acceptance or compassion at all . A terrible thing for Joni to have to face. as we know, Joni gaves us hints all along; and she did sing about her sorrow. Perhaps her way of reaching out or trying to ease the pain she held inside. Who knows. Only Joni. thank you for asking. Mags mia _ wrote: Hi Mags, I love the education! Thanks! We may not always reply, but we are there in spirit. I remember reading an article where Joni was explaining the pressure put on her to hurry up and make a decision. She was told something like, if she waits too long, they may not be able to place the child. Man, talk about pressure! I would think there would be lots of loving prospective parents willing to adopt a toddler, but what do I know. And I'm sure times were different back then. If she had waited until Kelly was a toddler, and a home was found for her, would the new parents then keep the same name, as the child has become accustomed to his or her old name? Mia _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us - --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail - - --------------------------------- Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:50:24 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Rolling Stone bloggers: Joni on Hear Music Thank you for posting that. It is always interesting to read peoples' opnions, well the ones that are presented in a thoughtful manner (whether it be good or bad). I don't care for senseless opinions like, "man that shit sucks" or things of that nature. There are many things I find funny in the world that aren't supposed to be. I found the "hippie sell out" comment funny. I never quite understood why at some point people "turn" away from bands/artists calling them sell outs? Hello! From the start, a musician (any musician) wants to make money. They want to make a living out of what they are doing. How is that selling out? That is the intention anyway. Now of course many musicians do it for the love of music but any musician that says in the long run he/she doesn't care about the money is only fooling him/herself. I sure as hell wouldn't work in radio for free but I claim to like it just as I doubt you'd be doing your job for free. I just think before people judge anybody, take a look at yourself. Big Yellow Taxi was written 37 years go. I'd say get over it to the people who say, "what happened to they paved paradise and put up a parking lot" as far as Joni and Starbucks go. Just be happy you're getting some new music man! I'd tell them that too. - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:53:48 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: little green encore une fois In a message dated 8/23/2007 10:07:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca writes: as we know, Joni gaves us hints all along; and she did sing about her sorrow. Perhaps her way of reaching out or trying to ease the pain she held inside. Who knows. Only Joni. - ------------------------------------------------------- So I'd imagine it brought her some relief and of course it gave us beautiful music. Joni did say she started writing out of adversity. - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:44:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: how many animals? njc Jeanne >I keep my Siberian Husky mix< Sibs rule! (my two are sibs- one a mix, the other a rescue but looking like he's a racer - long legs) Yes hell wins because she has the most animals & apparently my dream home Although mack comes in close with 14? dogs ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #333 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------