From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #329 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 20 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 329 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re:SJC Hotel California (long) [Mark-Leon Thorne ] What a great read ! ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] SV: Ignored for almost 14 years? ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: NJC Snakes & Ladders [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Ignored for almost 14 years? [Brian Gross ] Re: NJC Snakes & Ladder ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] lyrics to shine ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Shine - some new take ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] shine basic line ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Ignored for almost 14 years? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni in my newspaper! ["Patti Parlette" ] saw these guys last night, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] 7 different versions of Big Yellow Taxi [s.r.shanahan@att.net] Re: 7 different versions of Big Yellow Taxi [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: SV: Shine lyrics, njc midwives ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: njc, TV alert: The U.S. vs John Lennon ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Ignored for almost 14 years? ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Ignored for almost 14 years? [Brian Gross ] Re: Ignored for almost 14 years? ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:35:00 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re:SJC Hotel California (long) Oh Kate. I was born too late and a little too far west. I was only 5 when that amazing gig was occurring. There was an essence in the air at times of those times that gave me a taste of it all and through my life, I have gravitated towards those with similar ideals. Australia experienced similar events that might have sufficed like the Sunbury Festival but, I was born too late for those too. Out of those events and that culture, the community of Nimbin in far northern New South Wales was born - I have yet to visit the place but, I have heard that it is in decline these days and overrun with harder drugs. Just like Laurel Canyon I guess. Nimbin was a Hippy haven, a community of creative souls, assisted by pot and LSD. But to see the original in all its glory will always be a fantasy of mine. Now I am happy to connect with those who experienced the real thing. Australia's culture has often mirrored that of the US so, we got a double dose in a way. I urge you to try a taste of 60s/70s Australia with songs like, The Real Thing by Russell Morris, Turn Up Your Radio by The Masters Apprentice, Eagle Rock by Daddy Cool and the classic, Judgement by Chain. Feel free to reminisce anytime. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:21:27 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: What a great read ! This was such a great read ! Thanks a lot Les and Miguel Arrondo ! It offers a great overview of her musical career 'till 1983 + it offers som interesting details. Imgaine that,Joni meeting up with her daughter, backstage in 1968, it almost breaks my heart, it must have been so strange to her... I'm very happy that Joni choice her frredom as an artist and a painter, but I'm sure I can never imagine what pain she had to go through in adopting away her only daughter... Miracles over miracle - they're now reunited, but no wonder they have issues. Who hasn't. I guess, Joni sums it up best herself: The reason I'm very private is because I'm very open. I'm either intimate or I shut up." Accordingly, her conversation, like some of her songs, can be burdened with sincerity.... When asked about her relationships with her daughter, she admits they have issues and that there is a lot of forgiving to be done. I think many just have said; "Oh everything is great, we're so happy together" And that is what I cherish so high with Joni, as said (to us) WE are (STARDUST) & : "thinner-skinned breed, who have been able to follow my pilgrimage in themselves"... Joni has since I discovered her talked directly to my heart, and continue to do so, right now, right here... Love to you all Joni-lovers And Mags: thanks for the CBC clip I really enjoyed the clip where Joni was talking about "Bot sides now" ... Our Lady of Duality was, of course, greatly humiliated, by being compared to Gordon Lightfoot and another candaian female singer-songwriter. I think Elvis Costello has grasped the core, saying that she is being compared to the wrong people. I mean who would compare Bob Dylan to some average american singer-songwriter (they would Inever get away with it), who he was supposed to have had some major impact on. But I kind of feel sorry for Joni taking this crusade hereself. It makes her seem more arrogant than I believe she is. She is great. In my opnion, the greatest. There 's nothing to argue that. I wish she just, for once,could see that we are many who see it that way, oh our dear Joni og shadows and lights and the rest of it... Sunday-love Oddmund, Norway NP: Dolly Parton: Highlight of my life The one and only Les Irvin wrote: A new article has just been added to the Library from an Australian newspaper published in April of 1983. Miguel Arrondo, who typed the article, pointed out an interesting fact contained therein: Joni admits to having a child and giving her up for adoption, even revealing the name given to her at birth. This is 1983, mind you. Am I the only one who missed this back then? Why was this such a surprise in December of 1996 when "the news" hit and Joni stated "the good news is that I'm clean now, and I have no skeletons." It's fascinating that the same news which created such a media frenzy in 1996 was completely ignored in 1983. Even Joni, 13 years later, implied it was a just-revealed fact. Read the article here: http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=1629 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:06:55 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Ignored for almost 14 years? Thank you Les for the link! Interesting reading indeed! Strange this didn't alert the media worldwide. But I must say I wasn't in the least bit surprised when I learnt about Joni's reunion with her daughter. I always suspected she was singing about herself and her own child in "Little Green". She sings that song with so much pain and emotion that I could never quite believe this was an empathetic song for a friend of hers. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Les Irvin Skickat: den 19 augusti 2007 07:27 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Ignored for almost 14 years? Joniphiles - A new article has just been added to the Library from an Australian newspaper published in April of 1983. Miguel Arrondo, who typed the article, pointed out an interesting fact contained therein: Joni admits to having a child and giving her up for adoption, even revealing the name given to her at birth. This is 1983, mind you. Am I the only one who missed this back then? Why was this such a surprise in December of 1996 when "the news" hit and Joni stated "the good news is that I'm clean now, and I have no skeletons." It's fascinating that the same news which created such a media frenzy in 1996 was completely ignored in 1983. Even Joni, 13 years later, implied it was a just-revealed fact. Read the article here: http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=1629 Is my memory slipping or is this whole thing quite strange? Hmmmm.. Les (not London) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:09:23 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Okay!!!! Now it really ism Saturday!! That's a lovely quote, Bo! I'll put it on my fridge to be reminded every day. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Peep Richman Skickat: den 18 augusti 2007 19:08 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Okay!!!! Now it really ism Saturday!! Hello everyone! I know what day it is...aha! Christian, thank you for your lovely words about my last posting. Today I want to share a quote I discovered. I know Joni would probably enjoy it. "The most beautiful discovery true friends make are that they can grow separately without growing apart." -Anonymous Beautiful and so true, don't you think? I find that I think of Joni so often during the day. I wonder what she may be doing....I know there's a three hour time difference so I think about that too....I think about certain lyrics that seem to just pop, without specific motivation, into my head...I wonder if Joni is well and if her life is gentle...I wonder what she's reading and what music she is listening to...and I marvel at her multi-talents. Most of all, I feel so completely grateful that she is in my life. And, through our common love of Joni, I have found so many kindred spirits and wonderful people on our digest. Peace and real love to everyone, Bo - --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:49:01 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: NJC Snakes & Ladders *Dear Native speakers and english scholars...* I have question. Several songs I've heard lately, among others Joni's "Snakes and ladders" use this phrase "Snakes and ladders" I have never understand what that meant. It must have had had some major impact on songwriters, a search in Graceote got 71 matches: http://www.gracenote.com/music/search-adv.html?q=&qartist=&qdisc=&qtrack=snak es+and+ladders&n=10&x=0&y=0 I got thia defintion from --- *Encyclopfdia Britannica Article:* any of the amusements and pastimes of children that may involve spontaneous, unstructured activity, based mostly on fantasy and imagination, or organized games with set rules. Many games are derived from everyday life and reflect the culture from which they developed. Some children's games have been played for centuries. Swings existed on the island of Crete in children's game...* * But that still doesn't make me grab it. So I guess you Americans or some other knows everything about this. I would be most happy to be enlightened. Thanks ! Sincerely Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:40:45 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: NJC Snakes & Ladders GREAT question, Oddmund. I did some research and was surprised that the origin of the phrase IS the name of the board game. One of those rare instances, like Catch 22. The name describes the climbing up the ladders and sliding down the snakes on the board. We Americans know it as Chutes and Ladders, apparently because the games manufacturers thought American parents wouldn't buy their children a game with the word snake in it. As a former children's librarian I can tell you all American boys will buy anything with the words snake or dinosaur on it. Jerry > *Dear Native speakers and english scholars...* > I have question. Several songs I've heard lately, among others Joni's > "Snakes and ladders" use this phrase "Snakes and ladders" > I have never understand what that meant. It must have had had some major > impact on songwriters, a search in Graceote got 71 matches: > http://www.gracenote.com/music/search-adv.html?q=&qartist=&qdisc=&qtrack=snak > es+and+ladders&n=10&x=0&y=0 > I got thia defintion from --- > *Encyclopfdia Britannica Article:* > any of the amusements and pastimes of children that may involve > spontaneous, > unstructured activity, based mostly on fantasy and imagination, or > organized > games with set rules. Many games are derived from everyday life and > reflect > the culture from which they developed. > > Some children's games have been played for centuries. Swings existed on > the > island of Crete in > > children's game...* * > > But that still doesn't make me grab it. So I guess you Americans or some > other knows everything about this. I would be most happy to be > enlightened. > Thanks ! > > Sincerely > > Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 05:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Ignored for almost 14 years? Les, thank you for uncovering and reprinting this article. My reaction after reading it is WOW! Just WOW! Given that it was written and published in a pre-internet age, it does not really surprise me that the DownUnder media magaged to keep this jewel to themselves, just to hold something over the rest of the world ;-) The image of a 24-year old Joni meeting the beautiful, healthy toddler Kelly/Kilauren backstage at Mariposa and being relieved of many of those felt/imagined demons that must have haunted her soul for the two years prior is an amazing one. One that I imagine opened the floodgates and enabled Joni to share her Little Green with us, her enraptured minions who, for example, wore smooth the grooves in our vinyl copies of Blue. Again, WOW! Just WOW! Enjoy another Sunny Sunday everyone, Brian np: npr, Speaking of Faith - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:32:18 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Ignored for almost 14 years? I wonder, though, if she really did meet Kelly/Kilauren then. According to the info published later, the family that adopted Kelly did not know who the birth mother was, and so it is unlikely that they took her to see Joni. That meeting at Mariposa must have been a total coincidence then. Or maybe Joni just needed to believe the little girl named Kelly was her daughter. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Brian Gross Skickat: den 19 augusti 2007 14:05 Till: Les Irvin; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Ignored for almost 14 years? Les, thank you for uncovering and reprinting this article. My reaction after reading it is WOW! Just WOW! Given that it was written and published in a pre-internet age, it does not really surprise me that the DownUnder media magaged to keep this jewel to themselves, just to hold something over the rest of the world ;-) The image of a 24-year old Joni meeting the beautiful, healthy toddler Kelly/Kilauren backstage at Mariposa and being relieved of many of those felt/imagined demons that must have haunted her soul for the two years prior is an amazing one. One that I imagine opened the floodgates and enabled Joni to share her Little Green with us, her enraptured minions who, for example, wore smooth the grooves in our vinyl copies of Blue. Again, WOW! Just WOW! Enjoy another Sunny Sunday everyone, Brian np: npr, Speaking of Faith - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:40:31 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Cover Hi Bob,, I dont know if you are aware of this: Swedish singer Tommy Kvrberg has done a cover of Both sides now on his new cd of life recorded songs. (Tommy Kvrberg, Rakt upp och ner, Universal, 2007). Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:02:16 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Re: NJC Snakes & Ladder Thanks a lot Smurf and Jerry, this was Clearifying. We have the same boardgame in Norway, i blieve we call it "Stigespill"/Laddergame, but I kind of associate it with Donald Duck. And we do not have many popular songs I know who uses the noregian phrase... This very summer I've listened to both Jonis song with this title and Basia Bulats song with the same titlle.. And both have some energy in it, so this board game or other must give them something to I don't know, feel about. I've always thought it must have some mythical or biblical origin. I was thinking of Jacob in the Old Testament, who had a dream of a ladder coming down from heaven, I know that this imagery have been used in several works of art. So I thought, hey there where probably some snake there I didn't notice. And going farther into that, the thought goes easily to the snake as a symbol of the devil. So in a way I have the notion the ladders stands for something innocent, while snakes gives hints of something evil hiding in the background.... Thanks for your answers (-: Oddmund On 8/19/07, Smurf wrote: > > > Hi, Oddmund. > > I am American and I had never heard of "s & l" until > Joni's song. Here's what wikipedia.com has to say: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_and_ladders > > --Bob > > > --- Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > > > *Dear Native speakers and english scholars...* > > I have question. Several songs I've heard lately, > > among others Joni's > > "Snakes and ladders" use this phrase "Snakes and > > ladders" > > I have never understand what that meant. It must > > have had had some major > > impact on songwriters, a search in Graceote got 71 > > matches: > > > > http://www.gracenote.com/music/search-adv.html?q=&qartist=&qdisc=&qtrack=snak > > es+and+ladders&n=10&x=0&y=0 > > I got thia defintion from --- > > *Encyclopfdia Britannica Article:* > > any of the amusements and pastimes of children that > > may involve spontaneous, > > unstructured activity, based mostly on fantasy and > > imagination, or organized > > games with set rules. Many games are derived from > > everyday life and reflect > > the culture from which they developed. > > > > Some children's games have been played for > > centuries. Swings existed on the > > island of Crete in > > > > children's game...* * > > > > But that still doesn't make me grab it. So I guess > > you Americans or some > > other knows everything about this. I would be most > > happy to be enlightened. > > Thanks ! > > > > Sincerely > > > > Oddmund, Norway > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:02:55 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: lyrics to shine I never had the lyrics before her release. . this is certainly different for me from song 2 THIS Place ~Spirit of the water Give us the courage and the grace To make genius of this tragedy unfolding The genius to save this place I am looking forward to someday having all these lyrics thrown around this room. . . (can you think of anybody who might do that? : - ) love y'all. so glad you're here really happyabout the album. . THis is a new era for me. . I mean, it is the PRE new joni album ~ NEW MATERIAL ERA . . savOR it. . we only have a few days more to be in this state LO VE Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Cafi  open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:18:13 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Shine - some new take I just found this beautiful poem - I want to share to you. In a way it gave me associations to Jonis political texts on upcoming Shine William Shakespeare Sonnet 66 Tir'd with all these, for restful death I cry, As, to behold desert a beggar born And needy nothing trimm'd in jollity, And purest faith unhappily forsworn, And gilded honour shamefully misplace'd, And maiden virtue rudely strumpeted, And right perfection wrongfully disgraced, And strength by limping sway disabled, *And art made tongue-tied by authority* And folly-doctor-like-controlling skill, And simple truth miscall'd simplicity, And captive gold attending captain ill: Tir'd with all these, from these would I be gone, Save that, to die, I leave my love alone.... I guess some of you know it (by heart) but it's new to me. I get this "every picture has some shadows and it has some source of light, blindness, blindness and sight" feeling, while reading it. As well as thinking of arts that are banned due to heavy polical content. It is a paradox that this still takes place, an maybe more in the recent years, than some years ago, one should think we had come further, but no... Shakespeare wrote this, 'I don't know some 350 year ago or something like that. Strange how it occurs relevant for today.... Sunday thoughts from, the precent childrens-librarian- reading the ecxiting norwegian version of http://www.whichbook.net/ And tempted to take to many brakes...All for now. Best ! Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:40:11 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: shine basic line nice metaphor yourself Catherinie. : -) >Part of me wishes she would use more metaphor >Maybe Joni is getting all Picasso on us and going back >to basic line drawings. _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:11:01 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Ignored for almost 14 years? Fascinating. And in Mitchell-esque ambiguity, she had a visit from a stranger who represented her daughter (but probably wasn't): Joni said >>"The child said, 'Hello, Kelly.' I said, 'My name isn't Kelly, it's Joni.' The mother looked at me and said, 'No, her name is Kelly.'" Intriguingly, she didn't seek to discover whether this was indeed her daughter. "All these years I've assumed it was my child; and I've thought, 'She's well taken care of.' It has liberated me fron any remorse I might have had.">> It's as if the "other Kelly" was sent to reassure Joni. In interviews, it sometimes sounds like Joni's world is populated by avatars and archetypes rather than committments and schedules. Jim L. Les I said, >Joni admits to having a child and giving her up for adoption, even >revealing the name given to her at birth. This is 1983, mind you. Am I the only one who missed this back then?... It's fascinating that the same news which created such a media frenzy in 1996 was completely ignored in 1983. Read the article here> http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=1629 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:24:16 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni in my newspaper! Chelsea Morning! Reading the news and it sure looks bad, they won't give peace a chance... and then along comes JONI! Now my empty cup is as sweet as the punch. (Sorry...LOL!) She's my thrill. She does something to me. I'm flipping through the Sunday paper, when what to my wondering eyes should appear but this headline: "Mitchell Signs Deal for Two Albums" and a picture! A picture of Our Lady! This has probably already been reported (running behind the times again), but here it is: http://www.courant.com/entertainment/music/hc-prodnotes0819.artaug19,0,2802275.story I don't think there is anything in there that we don't already know, but Her name's in the news! Everything's first class! And I think to myself..... Love & Peace, Patti P. on a sunny Sunday NPIMH: People can you feel it, Joni's everywhere _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:02:10 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: saw these guys last night, njc http://www.myspace.com/bigsmithband ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:49:28 +0000 From: s.r.shanahan@att.net Subject: 7 different versions of Big Yellow Taxi Anyone interested a CD with 7 different versions of Big Yellow Taxi? See the attahced link! (If someone orders it, the link will show nothing.) http://www.barterbee.com/xcds0000/?aid=220829&_ty=exch That's plenty for me -- no offense Joniphiles! Best wishes to all, Steve in San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: 7 different versions of Big Yellow Taxi Are are really seven different mixes of the same song used from the Friends television show. Jerry > Anyone interested a CD with 7 different versions of Big Yellow Taxi? See > the attahced link! (If someone orders it, the link will show nothing.) > > http://www.barterbee.com/xcds0000/?aid=220829&_ty=exch > > That's plenty for me -- no offense Joniphiles! Best wishes to all, > > Steve in San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:53:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: SV: Shine lyrics, njc midwives Time for me to jump in! I had my baby at home with midwives. Most of my friends did too. One or two ended up going to the hospital & I was willing to if need be. The midwives closely monitor the progress & if anything isn't right they don't take the chance. These days they have to also be certified as a nurse & they partner up with a supportive doctor (who is not present at the birth but available to go to the hospital if needed). I know midwives who have delivered many hundreds of healthy babies. Two of my friends did have to go to the hospital because things were no progressing the way they should. They were fine. These days they have birthing rooms in hospitals which is a nice alternative for those who want to be closer to high tech stuff. The problem with the profession of delivering babies these days, according to the midwives I know, is that many doctors are more inclined to do C sections when they are unnecessary (sometimes they are of course). Funny, when I think of it, the majority of people I know who had a hospital birth ended up having a C section. Oftentimes this procedure is more convenient & definitely less risky for the doctor than a allowing the baby to enter the world by the birth canal. Kate Marion > Same with having your baby at home b many things can go wrong that > nobody could foresee. Laura> Yes, this is the argument against using midwives. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:03:50 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: njc, TV alert: The U.S. vs John Lennon Hi Patti, I'm sorry I missed it this time but happy to say that I have been privileged to see it before! Love, Sherelle Patti wrote: >Bon soir! > >"The U.S. vs John Lennon" is on VHS1 right now (9 p.m. EST). Catch it if >you can, if you are interested. > >I saw it once before and loved it. I am looking for some sweet inspiration >by watching it again. > >Hair peace, bed peace, > >Patti P. > >P.S. Bon weekend! > >NPOMTV: Power to the People. Yeah! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to >win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink > _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:07:32 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Joni in my newspaper! Great article Patti! Bon! Ah...you sing "Along Comes Mary" by the Association! I love them and it fits perfectly into your Joni thread! I am anxiously awaiting this release! Love, Sherelle Patti wrote: >Chelsea Morning! > >Reading the news and it sure looks bad, they won't give peace a chance... > >and then along comes > >JONI! > >Now my empty cup is as sweet as the punch. (Sorry...LOL!) > >She's my thrill. She does something to me. I'm flipping through the >Sunday paper, when what to my wondering eyes should appear but this >headline: "Mitchell Signs Deal for Two Albums" and a picture! A picture >of Our Lady! > >This has probably already been reported (running behind the times again), >but here it is: > >http://www.courant.com/entertainment/music/hc-prodnotes0819.artaug19,0,2802275.story > >I don't think there is anything in there that we don't already know, but > >Her name's in the news! > >Everything's first class! > >And I think to myself..... > >Love & Peace, > >Patti P. on a sunny Sunday > >NPIMH: People can you feel it, Joni's everywhere > >_________________________________________________________________ >Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. >http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 > _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:46:22 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Ignored for almost 14 years? There was even an article, in fact a radio broadcast in London in 1990 in which was mentioned her giving up her baby for adoption but did the rest of the press pick up on it? Here's the link in the library http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=891 Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 19/08/07, Les Irvin wrote: > Joniphiles - > > > > A new article has just been added to the Library from an Australian > newspaper published in April of 1983. Miguel Arrondo, who typed the > article, pointed out an interesting fact contained therein: Joni admits to > having a child and giving her up for adoption, even revealing the name given > to her at birth. This is 1983, mind you. > > > > Am I the only one who missed this back then? Why was this such a surprise > in December of 1996 when "the news" hit and Joni stated "the good news is > that I'm clean now, and I have no skeletons." It's fascinating that the > same news which created such a media frenzy in 1996 was completely ignored > in 1983. Even Joni, 13 years later, implied it was a just-revealed fact. > > > > Read the article here: > > http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=1629 > > > > Is my memory slipping or is this whole thing quite strange? Hmmmm.. > > > > Les (not London) > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:35:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Sara Gazarek, Max Roach and Joni in the Cathay flight Hi Em, Good call on both Sara Gazarek and Max Roach. I am sad about the passing of this jazz drummer and innovator Max Roach. Much as his technique drew from a lot of influences notably hornman Clifford Brown, I think Roach has defined his own beat and in his own terms before "Freedom Now Suite" with former wife Abbey Lincoln. Along with Gene Krupa, Chick Webb and Art Blakey, Roach is/was an original. I heard of Sara Gazarek because I saw a used cd of hers in my fave record store in Chapel Hill and I like the warmth of her voice. Too bad she never really became a household name. But then so has other equally talented singers ranging from Kristin Korb to Dominique Eade. Made you wonder for every Diana Krall, Dianne Reeves and Jane Monheit, there are countless others who deserve wider exposure. Small Joni story: While aboard Cathay Pacific from Auckland to Hong Kong, I glanced at the airline's in-flight music and saw Joni's "A Case of You" in the Easy Listening radio program stream. There is always a Joni in everything and everywhere. Joseph in Manila np: Max Roach - "Deeds, Not Words" Em a icrit : is this person's cover of "Carey" among your collection? http://www.saragazarek.com/ Nice! I was out back on the deck dipping/immersing myself nicely in jazz and I *thought* I was listening to a set of Max Roach related stuff, on our super duper community radio station WMNF. Not sure if that's the case or not - but this played, and it was pretty kick-ass. I called the station ( the lines were open) and got her name. :) Em Subject: RE : Re: NJC Snakes & Ladders I used to be a huge fan of Snakes and Ladders as a kid. My father is a huge fan of board games of any kind -- ranging from "Game of the Generals" to scrabble. Weird but I still remember the specific spaces one had to go through in Snakes and Ladders. I love space # 24 because it has a very loooong ladder that brings you to the 80s but can send you back again to the 20s when you chanced on the longest snake. Since then the representation of ladders is positive and upward-moving while snakes, though mysterious, seem to have been given mostly bad press. Not anymore though. I was in this public library in Waetakere just 2 days ago and working in my laptop when a kid sat beside a chair next to me and was playing this complicated video game that has some ferocious-looking snakes. He was explaining to another kid how he adores snakes. Joseph in Manila (surprisingly not sleepy despite the looong flight and losing his luggage in Hong Kong) notaro@stpt.usf.edu a icrit : GREAT question, Oddmund. I did some research and was surprised that the origin of the phrase IS the name of the board game. One of those rare instances, like Catch 22. The name describes the climbing up the ladders and sliding down the snakes on the board. We Americans know it as Chutes and Ladders, apparently because the games manufacturers thought American parents wouldn't buy their children a game with the word snake in it. As a former children's librarian I can tell you all American boys will buy anything with the words snake or dinosaur on it. Jerry > *Dear Native speakers and english scholars...* > I have question. Several songs I've heard lately, among others Joni's > "Snakes and ladders" use this phrase "Snakes and ladders" > I have never understand what that meant. It must have had had some major > impact on songwriters, a search in Graceote got 71 matches: > http://www.gracenote.com/music/search-adv.html?q=&qartist=&qdisc=&qtrack=snak > es+and+ladders&n=10&x=0&y=0 > I got thia defintion from --- > *Encyclopfdia Britannica Article:* > any of the amusements and pastimes of children that may involve > spontaneous, > unstructured activity, based mostly on fantasy and imagination, or > organized > games with set rules. Many games are derived from everyday life and > reflect > the culture from which they developed. > > Some children's games have been played for centuries. Swings existed on > the > island of Crete in > > children's game...* * > > But that still doesn't make me grab it. So I guess you Americans or some > other knows everything about this. I would be most happy to be > enlightened. > Thanks ! > > Sincerely > > Oddmund, Norway - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:55:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Ignored for almost 14 years? Great find Jamie! Now,after reading both accounts of this "meeting" at Mariposa, the looming question (at least in my mind) is: Did the Gibbs call her "Kelly" as a shortened version of "Kilauren" knowing her birth name was indeed "Kelly Dale" out of respect for her birth mother's choice and the fact that she was not a newborn infant (and may have already begun to respond to her name) when they took possession of her? hmmm.... - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > There was even an article, in fact a radio broadcast in London in > 1990 > in which was mentioned her giving up her baby for adoption but did > the > rest of the press pick up on it? > > Here's the link in the library > > http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=891 - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:04:07 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Ignored for almost 14 years? I was thinking the same thing myself when I first read about that chance meeting... it makes you wonder if there was some sort of synergistic bringing together of mother and daughter throughout their lives... Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 19/08/07, Brian Gross wrote: > Great find Jamie! > > Now,after reading both accounts of this "meeting" at Mariposa, the > looming question (at least in my mind) is: > > Did the Gibbs call her "Kelly" as a shortened version of "Kilauren" > knowing her birth name was indeed "Kelly Dale" out of respect for her > birth mother's choice and the fact that she was not a newborn infant > (and may have already begun to respond to her name) when they took > possession of her? > > hmmm.... > > > > --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > > > There was even an article, in fact a radio broadcast in London in > > 1990 > > in which was mentioned her giving up her baby for adoption but did > > the > > rest of the press pick up on it? > > > > Here's the link in the library > > > > http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=891 > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. > And usually for the same reasons. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:56:11 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: SV: Shine lyrics, njc midwives In a message dated 8/19/2007 2:59:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: Time for me to jump in! I had my baby at home with midwives. Most of my friends did too. One or two ended up going to the hospital & I was willing to if need be. The midwives closely monitor the progress & if anything isn't right they don't take the chance. These days they have to also be certified as a nurse & they partner up with a supportive doctor (who is not present at the birth but available to go to the hospital if needed). I know midwives who have delivered many hundreds of healthy babies. - -------------------------------------------------------------- This talk about midwives vs. hospitals reminds me of a discussion/assigment I had to do for a Psychology class I had taken. Basically, we had to choose a side (having a baby at home or in the hospital), write up our reasons for choosing this option and then present it. Mind you we were assigned to small groups (about 4 or 5 students in each) and my group happened to be all women (all older than me who already had children). As soon as the assignment was presented I thought, "having a baby in the hospital is the only way to go." Now I'm never going to have children but I thought automatically if I did I would want a nice, safe, comfortable hospital. I thought it'd be terrifying to have a child at home in the absence of a doctor and technology. I had naively presumed this was going to be for sure the concensus of the group. As soon as discussion arose, I was the first to speak up to say "hospitals are the way to go" presenting my feelings of fear any other way! I also expressed concerns of "what if something goes wrong" and all that. I know if I were having a child, I'd be scared to death and would want a nice, experienced doctor in front of me with machines and medicine and everything to the side of me. Much to my surprise everyone else in my group spoke up for the other side. They all would choose to have children at home. In fact, many of these women did already have a child or two at home! They all expressed very good points of wanting to do so in the comfort of your own home or thinking hospitals were so "cold" or thinking the need of one is not a need at all. Now I'm not one who is easily persuaded. I'm very, very stubborn. In the end, I thought for myself I would still take the hospital route but agreed that the option should be there. I mean if you are comfortable with it, go for it. I suppose the experience of never giving birth really separated my opinion from the rest of the group. Fear of the unknown! Needless to say which side my group represented and I was completely fine with it. After their own stories, I even came up with reasons for having a baby at home! - -Monika. looking forward to going to sleep tonight ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:11:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NJC Re: SV: Shine lyrics, njc midwives >They all expressed very good points of wanting to do so in the comfort of your own home or thinking hospitals were so "cold" < Exactly! Although birthing rooms have greatly improved the hospital setting these days. I've never enjoyed being in a hospital environment & have had a few traumatic experiences there which I'm sure colored my decision. Additionally, when I was pregnant it was more common than not, among those I knew, to have a baby at home with midwives. >Fear of the unknown! < That could be part of it, I've always felt there was adventure & endless possibilities n the unknown. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:51:00 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Slouching In a strange way I almost feel as if Joni's music was always meant to go with the poem..The drama and frankly "spooky" tone it sets matches perfectly with the original text..I think Yeats would be proud..(quick side story) I have two friends who are half born again christian and half hippe..one night while talking about god and the bible I brought them to my car and after i "hot-boxed" them..(smoked with windows up...updated david crosby technique).. I played them "Slouching".. my friends begged me for the cd..They both fell in love with the song.. A month later I got an email explaining that they had each bought copies of Night Ride Home for their best friends etc.. and it was the best album they've heard in years..Everytime I hear that song I am brought back to that night.. - --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #329 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------