From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #323 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 16 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 323 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- musician track listing [rsc1@humboldt.edu] Re: Retro Covers for August NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Retro Covers for August NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] njc, Happy Birthday, Mr. Bob Muller, Sr.! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: NJC Jung based personality test.... [jeannie ] Re: fiddle and the drum pix and broadcast news -- njc [Smurf ] Re: Shine Lyrics..My take [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Shine Lyrics..My take ["starvingartist" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: rsc1@humboldt.edu Subject: musician track listing Thanks for posting this Les!! I remember hearing/seeing that most of the album was recorded with Herbie, Wayne, and Brian, so I was surprised and delighted to see that it was mostly the 1998 band. Greg Leisz is one of the most valuable session musician on the planet today... he is, seemingly, on half of the albums that come out each week. Such a soulful player. I really can't wait to hear this new material!!! thanks again, Gus _____________________________________________ > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:38:21 -0600 > From: "Les Irvin" > Subject: More information on Shine > > This from Concord Record's "Tech Copy" release: > - ------------- > > JONI MITCHELL: SHINE > > One Week Last Summer (Instrumental) 4:58 > Alto Sax: Bob Sheppard > Piano and all other Instrumentation: Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:52:44 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Retro Covers for August NJC > Steve Polifka  Man From Mars > What happened to Steve? Does anyone hear from him anymore? >>And if you want to send my Dad a Happy Birthday message, he'd love to get it.<< Bob, it seems like yesterday you were asking us if we'd like to send your son Nate a happy 13th birthday message, and now he's in college. Why don't you send them a card you cheap bastard??? Just kidding.....hehehehe I sent Bob senior a nice note, and told him you were giving him a stripper for his birthday. :~) Jimmy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:09:25 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Retro Covers for August NJC Thanks for my first belly laugh of the day, Jimmy - you rascal. I always give him a card - he whines like a 4-year old if he doesn't get a slew of cards. I'm also taking him out to lunch today and Saturday we're throwing a surprise party for him. And just for the record, I subscribe to the Dave Barry axiom that "there's an age when your birthday is no longer significant - and that age is 14". Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Poncho's Lament" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:13:30 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Happy Birthday, Mr. Bob Muller, Sr.! Dear Mr. Bob Muller, Sr.: I heard it was your birthday yesterday. I hope you accept belated birthday greetings. I am a friend of your son, from the Joni Mitchell Discussion List. Bob likes Joni Mitchell, did he ever tell you that? I just want to tell you, parent to parent, what a wonderful kid you have raised. You should be very proud. He is an all-around good egg, generous with his time and talent and goodwill, and he loves music. (I call him "Musik Meister Muller".) Now where did he get all these good qualities from, one wonders? Ha. We all know that the fruit (or is it the NUT?) doesn't fall far from the tree. Although I'm fairly certain that Bob was a good boy and fairly easy to raise, surely he must have given you some tough moments and was quite a young and spirited whippersnapper at times. So, Mr. Muller, my hat is off to you. Ya done good! In Joniland, we say "Chelsea Morning" when it is a beautiful day. For people who love Broadway show tunes, here is perhaps an equivalent of that. So without further ado, Mr. Muller, here is my song for YOU today! There's a bright golden haze on the meadow There's a bright golden haze on the meadow The corn is as high as an elephant's eye, An' it looks like it's climbin' clear up to the sky. Oh, what a beautiful mornin', Oh, what a beautiful day. I got a beautiful feelin' Ev'rything's goin' my way. All the cattle are standin' like statues All the cattle are standin' like statues They don't turn their heads as they see me ride by, But a little brown mav'rick is winkin' her eye. Oh, what a beautiful mornin', Oh, what a beautiful day. I got a beautiful feelin' Ev'rything's goin' my way. All the sounds of the earth are like music All the sounds of the earth are like music The breeze is so busy it don't miss a tree, And a ol' weepin' willer is laughin' at me! Oh, what a beautiful mornin', Oh, what a beautiful day. I got a beautiful feelin' Ev'rything's goin' my way. Oh, what a beautiful day! I wish you a wonderful year ahead, filled with good health and love and peace and contentment. Oh, and next time you are traveling in some vehicle with your son, tell him YOU want to be in charge of the music. You're the DAD! Sincerely, Patti Parlette Mansfield, Connecticut P.S. I also send up a birthday prayer for my grandfather, Frederick S. Wynn, Sr., (August 14, 1899 -- March 14, 1982), who shares your birthday. He was the best. My brothers and I used to think that Ed Wynn (who "loves to laugh" on Mary Poppins) was his brother, but he wasn't really. Only in spirit. _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting intobefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:22:46 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Sound Byte of Joni on Radio - 73-74 Portland Civic Auditorium Wow, Laura, thanks! Honey, you turn me on to Joni on the radio! Gave me shivers. Can you imagine driving into town with a dark cloud above you, and a commercial for a Joni concert comes on the radio? "WXXX is proud to announce an evening with Joni Mitchell on October 1, 2007, at the Jorgensen Center for the Performing Arts....." I would drive right into a ditch! You may say I'm a dreamer..... Love, Patti P., late for the workplace because of this list, this list, this list! **** Turn up the volume! My son has discovered vinyl and Quadraphonic. He found this on the web while searching around. This is an advertisement for Joni's concert in Portland Civic Auditorium (and it's in Quad!) Go to: http://www.rockininquad.com/airchex.htm or http://www.rockininquad.com/airchex.htm#joni Scroll down to Bookmarks #3 and click on "Joni Mitchell Concert" You'll see Joni's picture. Click on wma for a sound byte. Enjoy! _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:01:09 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: SJC Hotel California (long) Mark-Leon was kind enough to make me a copy of the dvd "Hotel California" which details the L.A. California music scene in the 60's through the end of the 70's. I had mentioned on the list reading the book, "Hotel California" and was very interested in seeing this documentary. After watching the DVD, I must say the DVD is miles and miles and miles better than the book. The book, in my opinion, is written very subjectively. Mere opinions are stated as fact, quotes are taken out of context, and you can tell which musicians the author likes and which he doesn't. When I'm reading a bio, the last thing I want to hear is YOUR opinion (good OR bad) on the person at hand. I'll form my own opinion thank you very much. You really have to be careful with bios as many are written with the author either kissing ass the whole way through or putting down the person he is writing about the whole way through, both of which I can't stand. Be objective man. Anyway, the DVD starts off in the mid 60's describing the California music scene citing Bob Dylan as an influence (the Beatles too as far as the Byrds and Crosby go) and focusing on the Byrds. It goes through the years discussing CSN/Y, Neil Young alone, Joni, James Taylor, Jackson Browne, the members of the Eagles floating around before they actually formed the band (and then later when they did form the band), etc etc. There are many appearances by the musicians who actually were a part of this scene who are more informing than any author could be. David Crosby was rather enlightening as far as the whole scene went. My favorite parts in the DVD were Joni's parts (they showed what looked like it could could been the Big Sur Festival in which the reporter must have asked Joni backstage about politics or something of that nature given her answer which I really enjoyed) showing a couple of clips or talking about Blue, CSN/Y clips (including a "Teach Your Children" clip which I had never seen before from their '74 tour), Neil Young's parts, Buffalo Springfield's parts and the actual interviews with Crosby and Nash and so forth. I also enjoyed when they introduced a new musician into the "scene" because they would list his/her name, show a couple of clips, and go into it. I really liked when Stephen Stills was introduced because he was shown in what looked like could have been from his home or maybe his studio performing a song on acoustic in an intimate, candid setting. My favorite quote in the whole DVD was Crosby's concerning Neil Young. After Stills and Ertegun wanted Neil in the band, Crosby and Nash went to meet him first. Crosby said Neil played him about the best 4 or 5 songs he had ever heard in his life and "if he was a girl, I would have kissed him." As far as Joni goes, she does get a lot exposure in this DVD so I'd recommend it to any of you good folks. Quite interesting if I may say so myself. So in a snap, this DVD starts off in the 60's talking about the "good times", the pot, the music, Laurel Canyon, etc. The mood changes after Charles Manson hits. Then it slowly illustrates the disintegration of the 60's mindset with the Manson killings, cocaine, money, which all becomes the 70's, etc etc. All in all, a very interesting DVD, with plenty of interviews, concert clips, and PLENTY OF JONI! Anything more I could say would only sound redundant or wouldn't ring as much as if you see it yourself. - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:52:00 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Just in case you can't wait til the 25th http://tinyurl.com/yp7e8v Bob NP: Ani, "Here For Now" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:24:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: re: dave matthews and tim reynolds NJC Victor wrote: Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds Live at Radio City Music Hall DVD at Target for $11.98 Killer audio...Dave sounds great on this. Includes a song by Daniel Lanois "The Maker" which I kind of liked. Looking forward even more to seeing them live in September, which is looking to be a great now me: Hi there, Victor, this grabbed my attention straight away because I'm a huge fan (read: am in love with ;-) lol! (understatement) Dave , and Dave with Tim. (acoustic album at Luther College). An amazing energy . I love their passion. yum lol! I tried to convince Mikey to introduce me to Dave, but he wouldnt go for it ;-) I just saw the CD on itunes for $16.99, so you've got yourself a great deal. Mags np: some new Beth Gibbons (tx to meic in barc ) ... Mysteries - --------------------------------- Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. - --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail - - --------------------------------- Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:42:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: NJC Jung based personality test.... Innaresting, Monika! I came up as an INFP, too. I love Ron's write-up on INFPers. Thanks! jean - --- Ron wrote: > > quite interesting - i came up as an INFP. > Healer Idealists are abstract in thought and speech, > cooperative in striving > for their ends, and investigative and attentive in > their interpersonal > relations. Healer present a seemingly tranquil, and > noticiably pleasant face > to the world, and though to all appearances they > might seem reserved, and > even shy, on the inside they are anything but > reserved, having a capacity > for caring not always found in other types. They > care deeply-indeed, > passionately-about a few special persons or a > favorite cause, and their > fervent aim is to bring peace and integrity to their > loved ones and the > world. > > Healers have a profound sense of idealism derived > from a strong personal > morality, and they conceive of the world as an > ethical, honorable place. > Indeed, to understand Healers, we must understand > their idealism as almost > boundless and selfless, inspiring them to make > extraordinary sacrifices for > someone or something they believe in. The Healer is > the Prince or Princess > of fairytale, the King's Champion or Defender of the > Faith, like Sir Galahad > or Joan of Arc. Healers are found in only 1 percent > of the general > population, although, at times, their idealism > leaves them feeling even more > isolated from the rest of humanity. > > Healers seek unity in their lives, unity of body and > mind, emotions and > intellect, perhaps because they are likely to have a > sense of inner division > threaded through their lives, which comes from their > often unhappy > childhood. Healers live a fantasy-filled childhood, > which, unfortunately, is > discouraged or even punished by many parents. In a > practical-minded family, > required by their parents to be sociable and > industrious in concrete ways, > and also given down-to-earth siblings who conform to > these parental > expectations, Healers come to see themselves as ugly > ducklings. Other types > usually shrug off parental expectations that do not > fit them, but not the > Healers. Wishing to please their parents and > siblings, but not knowing quite > how to do it, they try to hide their differences, > believing they are bad to > be so fanciful, so unlike their more solid brothers > and sisters. They > wonder, some of them for the rest of their lives, > whether they are OK. They > are quite OK, just different from the rest of their > family-swans reared in a > family of ducks. Even so, to realize and really > believe this is not easy for > them. Deeply committed to the positive and the good, > yet taught to believe > there is evil in them, Healers can come to develop a > certain fascination > with the problem of good and evil, sacred and > profane. Healers are drawn > toward purity, but can become engrossed with the > profane, continuously on > the lookout for the wickedness that lurks within > them. Then, when Healers > believe thay have yielded to an impure temptation, > they may be given to acts > of self-sacrifice in atonement. Others seldom detect > this inner turmoil, > however, for the struggle between good and evil is > within the Healer, who > does not feel compelled to make the issue public. > > Full descriptions of the Healer and Idealists are in > People Patterns or > Please Understand Me II > > Princess Diana is an example of a Healer Idealist. > > > > the scary part is looking at the career indicator. > according to this i > should be: > > a counsellor > > religious educator (guess that explains some of my > posts!!) > > educator > > humanities > > musician > > literature/writer > > archaeologist > > psychologist/psychotherapist > > > > instead im a finance / commercial manager. no wonder > i dont wanna go to work > in the mornings........................ > > > > ron > > np - linda thompson - versatile heart > > (her new album sounds good - streaming at: > http://www.rounder.com/lindathompson/# ) > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:09:37 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: NJC Jung based personality test.... Okay, then I'm a quadruplet with you three friends of spirit. Joni sounds like a INFP, too... So, we could be quintuplets up until here.. Jeannie NP: Summer 91 -- Worlds Apart The piano entrance of this song reminds me that they were maybe influenced by a couple of Joni's tunes on, "Blue." If she was, we'd be quintuplets - --- Debra Shea wrote: > --- Catherine McKay wrote: > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > > quite interesting - i came up as an INFP. > > > > Hey, Ron - I guess we're twins. I'm INFP too. > > > Make that triplets. Turns out I'm also INFP. > > Wonder what Joni is. > > Debra Shea > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:28:39 -0400 From: pleader@nyc.rr.com Subject: fiddle and the drum pix and broadcast news hi- if you open up this .pdf of a brochure, you can see a much larger version of the picture from the 'shine' cover... http://www.albertaballet.com/users/FolderData/%7B01683EA3-9508-4215- B119-B749C583B61E%7D/AB-Attitude%20Brochure.pdf also, news about the mitchell/grand-maitre ballet, being done by the national ballet of canada in toronto, june 2008. i may have to go. the program should be great; 'etudes' is an amusing light classic, while anything by william forsythe, esp with music by thom willems, is likely to be electrifying. http://www.national.ballet.ca/performance.php?0708_season/etudes- second-divers finally, the broadcast premiere of 'the fiddle and the drum' ballet is in october on bravo canada (i think it's the 25th, i can't find the link i saw). would anyone of my canadian friends be willing to video/or dvd this broadcast and send it to me? you know, i'll be panting for this.... patrick, dance geek, who is finally going to take a dance writing workshop this fall... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:21:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: fiddle and the drum pix and broadcast news Actually, the only link you need is JoniMitchell.com - the broadcast is scheduled for October 22nd, 8PM. I'm anxious to see it myself and I'm sure that some kind Canadian soul will record it. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Who Are You" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:11:46 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: NJC Jung based personality test Me too, I'm an infp! Us and Lady Diana...! I was just blaming myself today for choosing the most hopeless career of all: humanities. But now I see I did the right thing. Where is the money though? With the commercial managers I'm sure.... Bene Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:01:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Jung based personality test.... - - --- Ron wrote: > quite interesting - i came up as an INFP. Hey, Ron - I guess we're twins. I'm INFP too. > the scary part is looking at the career indicator. > according to this i > should be: > > a counsellor > > religious educator (guess that explains some of my > posts!!) > > educator > > humanities > > musician > > literature/writer > > archaeologist > > psychologist/psychotherapist > > > > instead im a finance / commercial manager. no wonder > i dont wanna go to work > in the mornings........................ > Time to find a new job, Ron! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:24:40 +0300 From: "Mark L. Levinson" Subject: Re: shine lyrics Until the music comes along, I can only say that the best writing on the album seems to belong to the instrumental. For the rest, I think StarvingArtist found the mot juste: "curmudgeonly." It's as if Ms. Mitchell looks at life from one side now. But there have been other instances in which her music has made all the difference; maybe this time too... - ------------------------------------------------ Mark L. Levinson - nosnivel@netvision.net.il - ------------------------------------------------ Mark discourses to fellow Israeli techwriters in The Why of Style, at http://www.elephant.org.il/ - ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: fiddle and the drum pix and broadcast news -- njc Muller wrote: << I'm anxious to see it myself and I'm sure that some kind Canadian soul will record it. >> Has anyone noticed how I have been laying off Catherine since J-Fest '07? Love you, Kitty-Cat! --SoB - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:25:31 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: njc, Stop Government Attacks Against the Anti-War Movement What happened to all of the unfinished business that "the occupying force" owes the people of Iraq like fresh drinking water in the 115 degree heat? Is that demand on hold for the time being? Baghdad's forecast http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/weekend/IZXX0008?from= search calls for a high of 111 degrees F on Sunday. Have the priorities be re-shuffled because of the cooling trend? Jim L. >Please send a letter today to Washington DC Mayor (Adrian M. Fenty) and to the Director of DC Department of Public Works (William O. Howland, Jr.) demanding an end to the fines, harassment and repression of the anti-war movement. We have a right to publicize the September 15 March. Fining the anti-war movement tens of thousands of dollars for putting up Free Speech-protected literature makes a mockery out of the First Amendment."> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:56:53 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Shine Lyrics..My take It's hard for me to read what seems to be the majority opinion about the lyrics..."Cromudgenly"??( I am misspelling it on purpose) I want to know what people are smoking that they think the world is this shiny happy place..Her lyrics reflect what most people of my generation are feeling right at this moment and its suprising to me that everyone else doesnt feel the same way..Ive also read people calling it "Dog Eat Dog" redux..Well I consider DED to be prophetic and waaay ahead of it's time..I listen to those lyrics and they speak to me as clearly in 2007 as they might have in 1985.(I was a mere 7 years old) Were people really expecting Joni to come out with an album an different than these amazing lyrics present? I feel the need to defend our lady simply because this is exactly what I expected the album to be..These are the first lyrics I have read in forever that actually spit in the face of the maniacs who run this planet..I am proud to the point of tears..thank you Joni ..thank you for every album past but most importantly for this upcoming one..This "cromudgeon" thing I guess refers to her age well for my money a nearly 64 year old woman has the voice of a loud as hell 29 year old jersey boy..I will play this album..full blast as close to the white house as I can get.. Viva Joni!! - --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:18:11 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine Lyrics..My take In a message dated 8/15/2007 11:08:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cactustree1978@yahoo.com writes: majority opinion about the lyrics..."Cromudgenly"??( I am misspelling it on purpose) I want to know what people are smoking that they think the world is this shiny happy place..Her lyrics reflect what most people of my generation are feeling right at this moment - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Well, it seems anything Joni does is controversial, for lack of a better word. In this day in age, I think the lyrics fit perfectly with what is going on in the world. A good number of people recognize the atrocities of today and aren't happy with it. Joni is voicing this so eloquently as she does. I know the world is not a shiny, happy place overall. I do however think good exists behind the veils of tragedy, dishonesty, and lack of courtesy though. I also think the lyrics reflect hope. Though people are constantly complaining about things that seem like they will never change (or end as far as the war is concerned) there is still hope among us. I think Joni sees that too. I don't see the lyrics as bitter or resentful or anything like that. Just as honest. - -Mon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:34:23 -0400 From: "starvingartist" Subject: Re: Shine Lyrics..My take - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN DOHENY" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:56 PM Subject: Shine Lyrics..My take I called her a curmudgeon, not sure waht a cromudgeon is, and I was certainly NOT referring to her age. Although I'm quite a bit younger than Joni, I've been enjoying her music for since about a decade before you were born. And that's meaningless, except to say I was not calling her a crabby OLD lady, just crabby. No the world isn't always a "shiny happy place" but it often is, and anyone who has even a rudimentary grasp of history can't deny that it's getting better all the time. Does that mean one shouldn't rail against injustice and violence?: certainly not, but you gotta mix it up with a little faith and hope and love (as another Jersey boy keeps reminding us with his lyrics.} . ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #323 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------