From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #316 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 11 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 316 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Amelia [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Joni Stripped Bare ["Gordon MacKie" ] SV: Joni Stripped Bare ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Joni Stripped Bare [Catherine McKay ] SV: Joni Stripped Bare ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: SV: Joni Stripped Bare [Catherine McKay ] RE: wayne shorter gig review NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] re: 'SHINE' (Cover Art) ["Sherelle Smith" ] JMDL Gallery ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: NJC Common courtesy is dead and gone? ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Amelia [Wes ] Re: Joni Stripped Bare [Michael Paz ] Re: armed and dangerous (njc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Amelia [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni Stripped Bare [Bob Muller ] How many times have you seen Joan? [Michael Paz ] Re: armed and dangerous (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Amelia [Victor Johnson ] Re: How many times have you seen Joan? [Victor Johnson ] mixed results [Kate Johnson ] Re: Dylan and Joni [FMYFL@aol.com] Shine lyrics ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Shine lyrics [Michael Paz ] Re: Shine lyrics ["Randy Remote" ] drugs and creativity ["Michel BYRNE" ] Re: SV: Joni Stripped Bare ["Randy Remote" ] cover mugshots ["Michel BYRNE" ] Re: Dylan and Joni -- njc [Smurf ] Re: Shine lyrics [Bob Muller ] Best CD since Modern Times -- Darn Right! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: How many times have you seen Joan? [Michael Paz Subject: Re: Amelia Hi Celeb. Nice to have you on board. I think most of us here would agree that Amelia is a very beautiful song. It is kind of sad too. In that wanting to be loved often overrules our need for freedom or that our need for independence causes you to sacrifice love. A common theme for Joni. Joni has explained that she wrote that song while driving through the desert on her way to LA from New York. She was alone and in a contemplative mood. The desert can do that. Enjoy the list and welcome. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:30:38 +0100 From: "Gordon MacKie" Subject: Joni Stripped Bare Hi All Wanna see the cover to Shine in all its glory. Well, its at http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/HMCD-30457 Still doesnt solve the wider graphics/ font issue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:49:15 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni Stripped Bare Now that's much better! Thank you, Gordon, what a relief! Even though I couldn't make out the details, the picture was too small, I still get quite a different impression than when I saw the Amazon version. It seems to me that the dancers are approaching the earth from outside, out of space - new souls arriving? Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Gordon MacKie Skickat: den 11 augusti 2007 11:31 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Joni Stripped Bare Hi All Wanna see the cover to Shine in all its glory. Well, its at http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/HMCD-30457 Still doesnt solve the wider graphics/ font issue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:36:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Stripped Bare Save the picture to your hard disc and then magnify it and tell me whether or not you see a face in the blue moon/marble bowling ball. Maybe I'm delusional, but I think the Joni self-portrait is still there and it reminds me of another album cover. - --- Gordon MacKie wrote: > Hi All > > Wanna see the cover to Shine in all its glory. Well, > its at > > http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/HMCD-30457 > > > Still doesnt solve the wider graphics/ font issue > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:58:32 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni Stripped Bare yes, Catherine, if you tilt your head a little to the right you can make out a face but if it's Joni or not I can't tell. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Catherine McKay Skickat: den 11 augusti 2007 12:36 Till: Gordon MacKie; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Joni Stripped Bare Save the picture to your hard disc and then magnify it and tell me whether or not you see a face in the blue moon/marble bowling ball. Maybe I'm delusional, but I think the Joni self-portrait is still there and it reminds me of another album cover. - --- Gordon MacKie wrote: > Hi All > > Wanna see the cover to Shine in all its glory. Well, > its at > > http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/HMCD-30457 > > > Still doesnt solve the wider graphics/ font issue > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:09:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: Joni Stripped Bare - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > yes, Catherine, if you tilt your head a little to > the right you can make out > a face but if it's Joni or not I can't tell. > Marion > I hope this link will work - I think it's the photograph from "Blue": http://www.flickr.com/photos/11265421@N02/1080921029 Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:30:25 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: wayne shorter gig review NJC Hi Mike, I just wanted to let you know that you wrote a most excellent review of Wayne Shorter's concert! I'm so glad you got a chance to experience it up close and personal! Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:43:43 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Generational Mojo Returns Years before Joni said it in Susan Lacy's film, I said it seems like Joni started writing songs in earnest when she gave up Kelly for adoption. I said it seems like Joni stopped writing songs when Kilauren came back. Now it seems like Joni started writing again when she "lost" her mum. There's some kind of generational mojo working in LA. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:44:53 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: re: 'SHINE' (Cover Art) Les, you just proved my theory about the importance of cover art. It really does make a difference. Sherelle Les wrote: eeeuuuw! that's nasty. bleuch! IMO canNOT believe she got behind THIS! if that's going to be the cover, i'll be taking my copy of this release from i-tons. no, i don't believe this is the cover. wont. can't make me. L(london) _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Cafi  open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:56:22 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: JMDL Gallery I'm was looking through and the photo of "Cian OS" caught my eye. She said, >I'm from Dublin. I basically like Blue (the album). Never been much of a fan of Joni's other stuff. Though 'Both Sides Now' isn't a bad song. > Can we vote her off the Gallery? heh heh Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:00:11 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: NJC Common courtesy is dead and gone? Monika, I think part of the reason for this is because the world has become such a busy and hectic place anymore and people are getting too caught up in the mad rush. A few days ago, I was at the bustop waiting with a young lady on the phone. She was upset about something and didn't care if I overheard...so I put in my earphones in order not to listen to the conversation. She looked right at me and right through me. The next morning, we were there again together and I made a gesture to our outfits because we were wearing almost the same combination and color. Again, she looked at me with a puzzled look as if to say, "You're actually speaking to me?" As she got on the bus to use her Smartrip card, I looked to see that she only had a nickel on it. In my town, on Code Orange days we are allowed to ride the buses for free due to air quality and I too mistakenly thought it was a Code Orange day...it wasn't. The driver called her back because her card didn't work. She glanced at me and I could tell there was panic in her eyes. I don't think she had any money. So I gave her a dollar. At first she didn't want to take it but I just held it there. I didn't speak. I just handed it to her. I was old enough to be her mother so I pulled a "mommy look"...she took it and put it in the meter. I put mine in the meter and continued listening to my mp3 player. Before she got off at her stop, she tapped me on the shoulder and smiling a smile of relief, she said, "Thank you". I think there are too many people just barely getting by emotionally in life. They are consumed with problems, hurts and pains to the point that they can barely interact with other people in the world. When we hear about a suicide or a homicide/suicide we are aghast and shocked but it's something that many people are dealing with every day. They're angry, hurt and hopeless. Based on my experience this week and my belief that many people are just hanging on emotionally, this is my thought on one reason why common courtesy is gone. Sherelle Monika wrote: Why is common courtesy lost among most people? This is something that is constantly on my mind. Showing common courtesy could be my motto. I always preach it you see. Now I'm not having a bad day nor am I angry but this is something that I notice in my day-to-day life. People don't even understand what common courtesy is. All I really ask for is common courtesy and I very rarely get it, let alone do I see it illustrated between other people. Why? What is wrong with the world (try answering that in one post, heh)? Joni says you have to try and "get through life with a good heart." Well, I must say, that is a wonderful philosophy but it is awfully hard to do with everything that goes on. When a lack of respect (respect should be a given among people) is presented on a daily basis from one person to the next, getting through life with a good heart gets tougher and tougher. And by "common courtesy" I just mean the most obvious things--things that should be a given. Kindness to your fellow man, returning a phonecall to a friend, actually calling to cancel plans rather than just not showing up, staff at stores being polite to you (and you to them), lending a helping hand when it is needed, etc etc. Common courtesy, the way I see it, is something that is so easy to show and yet I see it lost among most people. Any ideas as to why this is? - - -Monika _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:07:26 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Shine", best CD since Modern Times Jerry, thanks for posting the early review of "Shine". The review is in Digest #314 at http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2007.n314 Comments are interspersed: >A listen to the 10 tracks last week confirmed that Shine lives up to Mitchell's assertion that it's "as serious a work as I've ever done".> The way I interpret that sentence, he's heard the final tracks. >As she had barely picked up a guitar in 10 years, Mitchell started at the piano with "One Week Last Summer", a dreamy, chill-out instrumental reminiscent of her beloved Debussy, as well as Brian Eno's ambient music.> WOW! The piano instrumental is on "Shine"! >What she calls "the piano-dominant songs" form the core of Shine..> WOW! >the most bare album she has made since the early Seventies.> WOW! I"m gonna love this one. >The jazzy feel of "This Place", "Hana" and the anti-war "Strong is Wrong" is deceptive and all the more effective as the stark lyrics sink in, while the haunting "If I Had a Heart" and "Bad Dreams are Good" sound like laments for planet Earth.> WOW! It sounds like a return to what so many of us like: the jazz-influenced players with simpler arrangements and Joni on piano. I hope Julie Webb & Deb Worthington hear about this. The gift goes on, Jim L. np: samples on Amazon of Herbie Hancock's "New Standard" circa 1996 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:16:24 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc help need stage presence Hi Lori, I'm not sure you are going to get this in time but I hope you will. You hit the nail on the head with self-esteem. Your fear is what you are concentrating on right now and therefore you are giving it more credence than it deserves. Stop. Just stop. Get back in control of your thoughts. This is one of the main things that causes a performance to go astray, I have not heard you sing but I have faith that you are a very good singer and dancer. Do you know your material well enough? Take today and rehearse it. Rehearse moves. Maybe on one part of a song, there is a certain move that you would like to do. Warm up your voice and keep your stance erect as you do it. Concentrate on the technical aspects of your singing and your performance. Right now, it doesn't matter that you had a break up or that you lost your self esteem. When you get on stage, none of that matters. You have heard the expression, "the show must go on"... well that is exactly what it means. When you are on stage, you don't have a personal life. You don't have time for it. Just concentrate on the performance. When you are on stage, you can be anything you want to be, so be positive and be a queen if you want to. It's your stage and your time. Let us know how everything turns out. Sherelle From: Lori Anderson Hi all. Well I need some advice. Tomorrow I am going to be performing in a rock concert with my blues band. So whats the problem you ask. well it4s been 7 aqos since I have performed. The stage is big and I am going to have to entertain like I mean dance aroud and such. Of course I am doing this to have a good time but I am soo nervous. I have been studying belly dance for the past 2 years and it invades my dancing. I am so afraid to appear ridiculous up there. I have lost my self esteem due to a very dificult relationship and I have gotten back into singing to find myself again. People seem to love my voice but I am so hard on myself. Anybody out there who can give me some advice. Thanks Lori (Century) _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater&cp=42.358996~-71.056691&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=950607&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:15:38 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: armed and dangerous (njc) Well I'm ready to do battle with the monster that is ticketmaster. I will have two computers going (myself on one and my friend on another) as well as a call into TM going at the same time. Objective- to get a table of 6 seats for Stevie Wonder at Chastain + 1 lawn ticket for an 8-month year old(Chastain insists everybody must have a ticket, even infants!) I don't think I've ever looked more forward to a concert before. The last time Stevie Wonder toured was 1995 and before that, 1986. This is one not to be missed. Victor, assembling armor, weapons, and protective body gear ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:41:09 -0400 From: Wes Subject: Re: Amelia < Subject: Amelia Hello all, I am new. I just wanted to get some opinions on Joni's song "Amelia". I think this is one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard, and when listening to it I get a rare emotional interaction with the artist that I have never felt before. I just want to get some responses about this amazing and touching masterpiece.>> Caleb, When I listen to Amelia, I get the feeling of flying in a small plane at night time, seeing the lights below and feeling like Joni, reflecting on both her past and her recent events at the time. She and Joni were similar in a way: Both females, doing what they loved and facing challenges along the way. I too, love this song and the whole Hejira album. I would almost venture to say that it was Joni's most personal album that she's ever written, and I'm so happy that she made that trip across the country. If you haven't already, be sure to check out the entire album, but especially the title song, Song For Sharon, and Refuge of the Roads. Wes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:46:59 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni Stripped Bare Les is suppose to post the cover of the new album on the website as soon as he has a free minute. PaZ Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band cell-504-382-0343 http://www.preservationhall.com On Aug 11, 2007, at 4:30 AM, Gordon MacKie wrote: Hi All Wanna see the cover to Shine in all its glory. Well, its at http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/HMCD-30457 Still doesnt solve the wider graphics/ font issue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:49:59 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: armed and dangerous (njc) Victor, also call out of state ticket master order by phone numbers. That is how we would score sold out in 20 minute Bruce tickets... Good Luck! Rosie ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:52:34 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Amelia Hi Caleb and welcome to the list. I love this song and have loved singing it for personal reasons for so many years. It is quite easy to play as well if you are so inclined. Like many of Joni's songs I have a relationship with them that has no bearing on whatever it was she meant or was trying to say. That is the amazing thing about her music is that surpass gender or whatever and allow the listener to identify with them for their own reasons. I had a long talk with her one night about the meanings of her songs and how they affected me. She was so gracious to be so candid and forthcoming on her writing and inspirational processes and a complete delight to talk with. Enjoy your time here. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band cell-504-382-0343 http://www.preservationhall.com On Aug 11, 2007, at 12:19 AM, Caleb Gee wrote: Hello all, I am new. I just wanted to get some opinions on Joni's song "Amelia". I think this is one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard, and when listening to it I get a rare emotional interaction with the artist that I have never felt before. I just want to get some responses about this amazing and touching masterpiece. _________________________________________________________________ Former Police Officer Paul Gillespies TAKE BACK THE INTERNET tips and tricks, watch the video now http://safety.sympatico.msn.ca/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:15:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni Stripped Bare Thanks for this, Gordon - like Randy, I really like this cover art and along with knowing that she is at the piano again it seems like a rebirth of kinds, an escape from the sameness her more recent guitar-only songs were plagued with. I blew up the picture but I couldn't make out any faces - perhaps it'll be easier when I have the real thing in my hands. Bob NP: Donovan, "Riki Tiki Tavi" Gordon MacKie wrote: Hi All Wanna see the cover to Shine in all its glory. Well, its at http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/HMCD-30457 Still doesnt solve the wider graphics/ font issue - --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:17:50 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: How many times have you seen Joan? I think we talked about this before but seeing how the archives of shows is getting so complete (THANKS LES AND SIMON AND ALL WHO HAVE WORKED ON THIS). Here are the shows that I attended (with a few brief comments). Best Paz 1976.01.25 Night of the Hurricane II  Houston Astrodome Houston TX >I went hitched to Houston to see this show with friends when I as in college at USL in Lafayette, La. I was young and blown away by the magnitude of so many artists in one place at one time. 1983.06.27 Assembly Center, Louisiana State Univ. Baton Rouge LA > My wife bought these tickets when we still courting. She was in school at LSU and got a deal on the tickets 16 row center (in front of the mixing console). She was distressed they might not be good enough. 1993.02.14 Sheraton Hotel New Orleans LA > This is the night that I met joni for the first time and we sat at a large banquet table with a few other people and talked. After her 3 song set we danced backstage while the Neville Brothers were on stage and we laughed at Roger Clinton who sat in with the Nevilles on their set. She was so beautiful that night and I was smitten. 1995.02.17 Gavin Convention New Orleans LA >I totally lucked into seeing this as I did not have the proper credentials to be there. I heard about her playing there just hours before I actually was in a small room with about 100 DJ's listening to her play. I actually just walked right in without the credentials which is something I have done in many places since. This is was a very amazing and intimate set. My friend who worked for another sound company at the time mixed the show but of course he did not record it. I would have brought my own portable but there was no time and I was so worried about just getting to be there. 1995.05.06 New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival  New Orleans LA >What a highlight of my life t see this show. I had all access back stage passes (cause i was on staff at the time) but I never did go back. I wanted to just be in the audience and hang out and listen to every note. It is where she debuted the VG-8 and it gave her some troubles. Gary who worked with Roland and later became a friend of mine was helping her with her sound. They had stayed up all night in her room the night before the show programming the VG-8 with the patches for her show. The patches were never sound checked or anything so when she hit the stage and opened with Sex Kills (with a somewhat large and very processed and somewhat overdriven sound) it scared the shit out of the sound man that so much could be coming from one input. I can't remember who was on before her but they had drawn a huge audience (probably over 40, 000), but most if them were gone before she ended. Alot of them were pissed she was not playing "THE HITS" as it were, but I was so happy to hear whatever she chose for her set and I was delighted to just be there. 1998.05.19 San Jose Arena San Jose CA >The first time I met some folks from the list. I went with my friend Kevin who flew out with me to see this historic show. I was sick as a dawg but still managed to make it to the gig. MG had arranged a get together at a restaurant before the show where I met many wonderful listers at the time. It was where I met Julius who was such a wonderful host in MG's absence (she was late for her own party). Our seats were in nose bleed but we moved down and Kevin had some connections and got us better seats as well as back stage passes. For Joni we were out front most of the time but we did go back during Bob and Van. 2000.05.12 Greek Theatre Los Angeles CA >Freda and I flew out for this one which was a couple days after her birthday so it was sort of birthday gift she didn't really appreciate cause she said it was more for myself. Ok so she is not THAT stupid. Have a great weekend everyone!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:22:06 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: armed and dangerous (njc) On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:49 AM, RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Victor, also call out of state ticket master order by phone > numbers. That is > how we would score sold out in 20 minute Bruce tickets... Got a table....+ a $70 ticket for a baby! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:38:36 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Amelia On Aug 11, 2007, at 1:19 AM, Caleb Gee wrote: > Hello all, I am new. I just wanted to get some opinions on Joni's > song "Amelia". I think this is one of the most beautiful songs I > have ever heard, and when listening to it I get a rare emotional > interaction with the artist that I have never felt before. I just > want to get some responses about this amazing and touching > masterpiece. > Hi Caleb, This is possibly my favorite song of all time, and definitely my favorite song by Joni. Like Michael, I love playing this song and singing it. It's hard to describe the exact feeling but it's something to do with being very lyrical and very much a spiritual journey. The images conjured are so potent and convey so many different thoughts and emotions on so many different levels. And yet there is such a stark simplicity to it all. Victor NP: Stevie Wonder "Overjoyed", over and over ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:48:22 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: How many times have you seen Joan? Nov 7, 1998 Birthday show at Alexander Memorial (Georgia Tech) Atlanta, Georgia This was my first time seeing Joni live. A friend of a friend who worked at Tower Records had gotten us 3 good seats right up, front and center, maybe about the 14th row. Before the concert, I picked up a dozen roses, a card, and a stuffed tiger from TY. We arrived a little late and missed the opening number...I was wearing a suit, tie, and carrying the flowers, etc... I must have looked pretty distinguished because someone asked my friend Connie who I was as if I was somebody important. I was thrilled beyond belief to finally see Joni live and Bob Dylan was a good chaser as he was really rocking and I need to come back down from being on cloud 10. Unfortunately, I was not clairvoyant and was not able to meet up with the jmdl (whom I had never heard of) as Paul IV so politely suggested I should have. May 19, 2000 Chastain Park with the ASO Atlanta, Georgia This time I actually did meet up with a group from the JMDL including Bob Muller, Alice from Asheville, etc...and my friend Holley(who attended Pazfest with me). Enjoyed the show and ran into Larry Klein afterwards at the hotel. Victor NP: still Stevie Wonder- Overjoyed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:38:18 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Dylan and Joni Does anyone know if Joni sat in with Dylan on November 7, 1988? Simon? Anyone? Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:13:02 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: mixed results On 10-Aug-07, at 2:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > She reunited with her > daughter in the 1990s, with mixed results. Talk about lazy writing! Geez ... LIFE is "mixed results" -- and this writer's editor wasn't doing her job! Kate - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:50:47 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Dylan and Joni Mikey, are you talking about Nov. 7, (1998) not 1988? If so, no she didn't sit in with Dylan in Atlanta. Jimmy In a message dated 8/11/2007 11:43:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > Does anyone know if Joni sat in with Dylan on November 7, 1988? > Simon? Anyone? > > Best > > Paz > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:26:11 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Shine lyrics Joniphiles - I'm pleased to announce that JoniMitchell.com now features all the lyrics to Shine. Access them directly through this link: http://jonimitchell.com/musician/album.cfm?id=28 Enjoy! Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:02:59 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Shine lyrics Wow Thanks Les. Just finished reading them. I can't wait to get a copy of this. There are some fonts missing on a couple of items on the songs This Place, and Shine. The missing letters are replaced with an X inside a square or box. Thanks again for your efforts. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band cell-504-382-0343 http://www.preservationhall.com On Aug 11, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Les Irvin wrote: Joniphiles - I'm pleased to announce that JoniMitchell.com now features all the lyrics to Shine. Access them directly through this link: http://jonimitchell.com/musician/album.cfm?id=28 Enjoy! Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:32:30 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Shine lyrics I appreciate you posting them, Les, but I can't look. I have to hear them first. RR > Joniphiles - > > I'm pleased to announce that JoniMitchell.com now features all the lyrics > to > Shine. Access them directly through this link: > http://jonimitchell.com/musician/album.cfm?id=28 > > Enjoy! > Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:37:31 +0000 From: "Michel BYRNE" Subject: drugs and creativity Just a quick thought on the drugs question. I can't remember which interview it was, but I seem to remember Joni saying cocaine did help her write Song for Sharon and - I think - Old Furry Sings the Blues, but added that she didn't take it for very long as it ends up 'killing the soul' and sought help and enlightenment from some old native American (possibly the guy mentioned in Refuge of the Roads?). M _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:00:57 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: SV: Joni Stripped Bare >> yes, Catherine, if you tilt your head a little to >> the right you can make out >> a face but if it's Joni or not I can't tell. >> Marion > > I hope this link will work - I think it's the > photograph from "Blue": > http://www.flickr.com/photos/11265421@N02/1080921029 > Catherine I see the face in the moon-but there is too much forehead to be the Blue photo. The overall gestalt I get from this cover is sperm & egg. Paul, wasn't that a Joni Mitchell song? RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:45:35 +0000 From: "Michel BYRNE" Subject: cover mugshots Another vague memory from some interview - apparently it was the record company (companies?) that insisted Joni's face should be on the cover. As she tended to paint in any case once the recording was over, she thought she might as well include self-portraits.... M _________________________________________________________________ Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local knowledge http://www.backofmyhand.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:14:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Dylan and Joni -- njc - --- Michael Paz asked: > Does anyone know if Joni sat in with Dylan on > November 7, 1988? Sat in what? - --SoB ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Shine lyrics Man oh man...Now I'm really excited. I got chills reading the story behind the opening instrumental. And it looks like she's giving organized religion a good swift kick too, which is well-deserved in my opinion. Lots of these lyrics make DED seem HOPEFUL in comparison. I guess she's holding out a small beacon of hope with "If" at the end. Thanks a lot for the effort Les. Bob - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:26:06 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Best CD since Modern Times -- Darn Right! Joni Mitchell: The legendary singer-songwriter is back Pierre Perrone is the first to hear her long-awaited album By Pierre Perrone Published: 10 August 2007 Joni Mitchell: The legendary singer-songwriter is back Joni Mitchell says that she's not ready for retirement after all Merci mille fois, Jerry et Monsieur Perrone! C'est formidable! Something about seeing her story all together, in print, made my heart sing. All the anticipation of Joni's return has been dizzying -- do you think this can be real? -- like you want to say "Pinch me!" -- and this was the pinch. Every fairy tale comes real. You know how she asked us: "Don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got til it's gone?" When you think something is gone forever, of course, absence makes the heart grow fonder. We have all experienced this, I daresay, with the loss of a loved one. I experienced this full force in April, when my mother was on her deathbed. (Joni's mother had just died and I felt her loss deeply). Amid all the grieving and keening and thinking of all the stupid little things I'd miss that I never appreciated enough before, and writing her obituary (my brother told me to -- and for the first time it dawned on me that her middle name was JOAN!), I was in a state of pure raw grief. Then I flew out to her bedside in Utah, even though I was afraid it was too late. (I sat next to a nice alto sax player on the plane and at the end of the flight he said: "I hope your mother gets better" and I thought to myself: "Fat chance" but I thanked him anyway, giving him back his smile). But miracle of miracles, after three days of being in a coma, she fluttered her eyes when I walked into her room and said "Hi, Mom!" She looked just like her mother did when she was at death's door. It was an excruciating scene to behold. She had a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) sticker on her bracelet, and the doctor, the way he described it He said she might be better dead than live and offered a morphine drip I didn't listen to his jive I knew all along That he was all wrong And I knew that he thought I was crazy but I'm not Oh no Slowly, ever so slowly, over the course of ten days, she came back. When she could finally speak (after two days), she was like a child at first (love sees like a child sees), asking for her mother and father, and MY father (I told her he was "resting"), and it was a long haul, but she came back. The pulmonologist and her other caregivers were astounded. She was in a rehab center for a few months, and she is doing great now. At home! She still has CHF (congestive heart failure) and horrible RA (rheumatoid arthritis), and we know the CHF will get her someday (nothing lasts for long, nothing lasts for long) but my brothers and I get to keep her a little longer, and we absolutely cherish each and every day we still have her. Cherish is the word. (Sorry, Catherine! ) Long live Audrey Joan and Roberta Joan! This whole experience reminds me of something Joni said: "I walked. So polio, in a way, germinated an inner life and a sense of the mystic. It was mystical to come back from that disease," she later recalled. "People will tell you where they've been, they'll tell you where to go, but until you get there yourself, you never really know." Now I know! We got a break Unbelievable We got a break right in the middle of this world-wide heartache We got a second chance Hot dog darlin's We got a second chance! No more no more "Escapist entertainment" We got this solid love Oh, Joni, You're my hope You're my happiness You Open my heart you do Open my heart You do Yes you do Let nobody put asunder this solid love. Of course we have had plenty of her old stuff, to recycle over and over again, but in these troubled times, we really need some new sweet inspiration to carry on. NPIMH: Carry on, love is coming. Love is coming to us all! She was no longer riding on our merry-go-round. She just had to let it go. But now she's jumped back on our carousel of time. And I want the painted pony right next to hers. I called it first!!! "I'm not interested in escapist entertainment when the planet is at red alert. We're busy wasting our time on this fairy-tale war when nobody's fighting for God's creation." A votre sante, Joni! I'll drink of case of you to THAT! And I like how the article ended: "Joni Mitchell is back. What a long strange trip it's been." I have often thought of those Dead lyrics as akin to "Both Sides Now" and the duality in all her lyrics: You're sick of hangin around and you'd like to travel; Get tired of travelin and you want to settle down (and raise a child up with somebody) I guess they can't revoke your soul for tryin, Get out of the door and light out and look all around. Sometimes the lights all shinin on me; Other times I can barely see. Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip it's been. Keep on truckin', Joni! The gift goes on. I am grateful to be alive for this, and to be part of this community to share it the joy. Laughing and crying, Patti P. P.S. Oops, I almost forgot. Bon weekend! _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:40:16 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: LInk for River: The Joni Letters Verve now has a link for the Herbie Hancock album: http://www.vervemusicgroup.com/product.aspx?ob=prd&src=exp&pid=11770 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:23 PM To: Les Irvin; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Shine lyrics Man oh man...Now I'm really excited. I got chills reading the story behind the opening instrumental. And it looks like she's giving organized religion a good swift kick too, which is well-deserved in my opinion. Lots of these lyrics make DED seem HOPEFUL in comparison. I guess she's holding out a small beacon of hope with "If" at the end. Thanks a lot for the effort Les. Bob - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:49:26 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: "Hunky Dory" I've been listening to David Bowie's "Hunky Dory" album again recently, and it really is a great album... paticularly the songs "oh! you pretty things", "quicksand", "fill your heart" and "life on mars?". lyrically, there is a lot in these songs to wrap your mind around... _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:17:46 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: How many times have you seen Joan? Thanks for replying Victor. I found this show see below. Which claims songs from this Birthday show that you saw. It sounds like I have heard these this recording before so I don' know the accuracy of the info supplied below. Seeing how Sex Kills and Face Lift did not come out till way after 1988 I doubt the validity. Still researching this. Best Paz Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell Live at the Alexander Memorial Coliseum, Atlanta, GA 1998-11-07 + Joni Mitchell at Amnesty International Concert 1986-06-15 You know, I really do think the Atlanta show is from the master. It was bought from ebay on a 2cdr set at a time when it was OK to do so, directly from the guy who did it. Makes you wish for that time all over again, doesn't it? For some odd reason, Joni opened up for Bob this particular night. If memory serves me correctly, this should be Dylan's tour with Tom Petty. Maybe it was a one-off, I don't know. They DON'T appear to be playing together at the same time, but hey, if you know better, please let me know. Track listings are directly from the CD's. If you have corrections, please supply them. Disk 1 Gotta Serve Somebody I'll Remember You Memphis Blues Blind Willie McTell Can't Wait Stone Walls/Steel Bars Mr. Tambourine Man Masters of War Tangled Up In Blue Make You Feel My Love Till I Fell In Love With You Disk 2 Love Sick Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat Blowin' In The Wind Highway 61 Revisited It Ain't Me Babe Joni: Free Man in Paris Amelia Face Lift Sex Kills Magdalene Laundries Woodstock Both Sides Now As filler, I have included Joni's appearance at the Amnesty International Concert in 1986. This was in front of a hostile audience, who should have known better than to behave in the manner which they did. The set for this night was completely different: 01 - The Three Great Stimulants 02 - "I'm Not That Bad, You Dig?"/ Number One 03 - Hejira 04 - Interview The Atlanta show is one of the later concerts in Joni Mitchell's career. She was soon to retire from performing. I am truly sorry I never had the chance to see her, other than in films and other people's recordings. Lineage: Atlanta: Boot CDr's -> shn Amnesty: VHS Hi-Fi stereo audio track, taken directly from cable broadcast of show. As with many other torrents, I can upload only about 17K, and I have never posted this material anywhere before. A DoinkerTape On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Victor Johnson wrote: Nov 7, 1998 Birthday show at Alexander Memorial (Georgia Tech) Atlanta, Georgia This was my first time seeing Joni live. A friend of a friend who worked at Tower Records had gotten us 3 good seats right up, front and center, maybe about the 14th row. Before the concert, I picked up a dozen roses, a card, and a stuffed tiger from TY. We arrived a little late and missed the opening number...I was wearing a suit, tie, and carrying the flowers, etc... I must have looked pretty distinguished because someone asked my friend Connie who I was as if I was somebody important. I was thrilled beyond belief to finally see Joni live and Bob Dylan was a good chaser as he was really rocking and I need to come back down from being on cloud 10. Unfortunately, I was not clairvoyant and was not able to meet up with the jmdl (whom I had never heard of) as Paul IV so politely suggested I should have. May 19, 2000 Chastain Park with the ASO Atlanta, Georgia This time I actually did meet up with a group from the JMDL including Bob Muller, Alice from Asheville, etc...and my friend Holley(who attended Pazfest with me). Enjoyed the show and ran into Larry Klein afterwards at the hotel. Victor NP: still Stevie Wonder- Overjoyed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:23:53 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: How many times have you seen Joan? As a foot note to this post she tells the story of going to the market for groceries and buying a paper with the story about the Magedeline Laundries. Some guy hollers something (unintelligible) and she marks that "to each his own" and calls the guy "an idiot and a rude one a that". After the first chorus there is a burst of applause as if they had starting escorting the guy out. Anyway if that is a clue to where this show is from. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band cell-504-382-0343 http://www.preservationhall.com On Aug 11, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Michael Paz wrote: Thanks for replying Victor. I found this show see below. Which claims songs from this Birthday show that you saw. It sounds like I have heard these this recording before so I don' know the accuracy of the info supplied below. Seeing how Sex Kills and Face Lift did not come out till way after 1988 I doubt the validity. Still researching this. Best Paz Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell Live at the Alexander Memorial Coliseum, Atlanta, GA 1998-11-07 + Joni Mitchell at Amnesty International Concert 1986-06-15 You know, I really do think the Atlanta show is from the master. It was bought from ebay on a 2cdr set at a time when it was OK to do so, directly from the guy who did it. Makes you wish for that time all over again, doesn't it? For some odd reason, Joni opened up for Bob this particular night. If memory serves me correctly, this should be Dylan's tour with Tom Petty. Maybe it was a one-off, I don't know. They DON'T appear to be playing together at the same time, but hey, if you know better, please let me know. Track listings are directly from the CD's. If you have corrections, please supply them. Disk 1 Gotta Serve Somebody I'll Remember You Memphis Blues Blind Willie McTell Can't Wait Stone Walls/Steel Bars Mr. Tambourine Man Masters of War Tangled Up In Blue Make You Feel My Love Till I Fell In Love With You Disk 2 Love Sick Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat Blowin' In The Wind Highway 61 Revisited It Ain't Me Babe Joni: Free Man in Paris Amelia Face Lift Sex Kills Magdalene Laundries Woodstock Both Sides Now As filler, I have included Joni's appearance at the Amnesty International Concert in 1986. This was in front of a hostile audience, who should have known better than to behave in the manner which they did. The set for this night was completely different: 01 - The Three Great Stimulants 02 - "I'm Not That Bad, You Dig?"/ Number One 03 - Hejira 04 - Interview The Atlanta show is one of the later concerts in Joni Mitchell's career. She was soon to retire from performing. I am truly sorry I never had the chance to see her, other than in films and other people's recordings. Lineage: Atlanta: Boot CDr's -> shn Amnesty: VHS Hi-Fi stereo audio track, taken directly from cable broadcast of show. As with many other torrents, I can upload only about 17K, and I have never posted this material anywhere before. A DoinkerTape On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Victor Johnson wrote: Nov 7, 1998 Birthday show at Alexander Memorial (Georgia Tech) Atlanta, Georgia This was my first time seeing Joni live. A friend of a friend who worked at Tower Records had gotten us 3 good seats right up, front and center, maybe about the 14th row. Before the concert, I picked up a dozen roses, a card, and a stuffed tiger from TY. We arrived a little late and missed the opening number...I was wearing a suit, tie, and carrying the flowers, etc... I must have looked pretty distinguished because someone asked my friend Connie who I was as if I was somebody important. I was thrilled beyond belief to finally see Joni live and Bob Dylan was a good chaser as he was really rocking and I need to come back down from being on cloud 10. Unfortunately, I was not clairvoyant and was not able to meet up with the jmdl (whom I had never heard of) as Paul IV so politely suggested I should have. May 19, 2000 Chastain Park with the ASO Atlanta, Georgia This time I actually did meet up with a group from the JMDL including Bob Muller, Alice from Asheville, etc...and my friend Holley(who attended Pazfest with me). Enjoyed the show and ran into Larry Klein afterwards at the hotel. Victor NP: still Stevie Wonder- Overjoyed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:29:34 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: How many times have you seen Joan? Last post on this for today. After she finishes the laundries and before she starts Woodstock she tells someone that hollered out Bob Dylan "you don't deserve Bob!" and I found another version of the same show with this posted with it: Joni Mitchell Alexander Memorial Coliseum 1998-11-07 excerpt (opener for Bob Dylan) mp3 sample Welcome to your Sunday Morning waker-upper! This is all I have of this show. It was received from someone selling the Bob Dylan portion of this night, and there was no more recorded from this particular person. Perhaps this is the entire show? I would rate it as ex- audience. A sample is included. Setlist: Free Man In Paris Amelia Face Lift Sex Kills Magdalene Laundries Woodstock Both Sides Now Best PaZ On Aug 11, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Michael Paz wrote: As a foot note to this post she tells the story of going to the market for groceries and buying a paper with the story about the Magedeline Laundries. Some guy hollers something (unintelligible) and she marks that "to each his own" and calls the guy "an idiot and a rude one a that". After the first chorus there is a burst of applause as if they had starting escorting the guy out. Anyway if that is a clue to where this show is from. Paz On Aug 11, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Michael Paz wrote: Thanks for replying Victor. I found this show see below. Which claims songs from this Birthday show that you saw. It sounds like I have heard these this recording before so I don' know the accuracy of the info supplied below. Seeing how Sex Kills and Face Lift did not come out till way after 1988 I doubt the validity. Still researching this. Best Paz Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell Live at the Alexander Memorial Coliseum, Atlanta, GA 1998-11-07 + Joni Mitchell at Amnesty International Concert 1986-06-15 You know, I really do think the Atlanta show is from the master. It was bought from ebay on a 2cdr set at a time when it was OK to do so, directly from the guy who did it. Makes you wish for that time all over again, doesn't it? For some odd reason, Joni opened up for Bob this particular night. If memory serves me correctly, this should be Dylan's tour with Tom Petty. Maybe it was a one-off, I don't know. They DON'T appear to be playing together at the same time, but hey, if you know better, please let me know. Track listings are directly from the CD's. If you have corrections, please supply them. Disk 1 Gotta Serve Somebody I'll Remember You Memphis Blues Blind Willie McTell Can't Wait Stone Walls/Steel Bars Mr. Tambourine Man Masters of War Tangled Up In Blue Make You Feel My Love Till I Fell In Love With You Disk 2 Love Sick Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat Blowin' In The Wind Highway 61 Revisited It Ain't Me Babe Joni: Free Man in Paris Amelia Face Lift Sex Kills Magdalene Laundries Woodstock Both Sides Now As filler, I have included Joni's appearance at the Amnesty International Concert in 1986. This was in front of a hostile audience, who should have known better than to behave in the manner which they did. The set for this night was completely different: 01 - The Three Great Stimulants 02 - "I'm Not That Bad, You Dig?"/ Number One 03 - Hejira 04 - Interview The Atlanta show is one of the later concerts in Joni Mitchell's career. She was soon to retire from performing. I am truly sorry I never had the chance to see her, other than in films and other people's recordings. Lineage: Atlanta: Boot CDr's -> shn Amnesty: VHS Hi-Fi stereo audio track, taken directly from cable broadcast of show. As with many other torrents, I can upload only about 17K, and I have never posted this material anywhere before. A DoinkerTape On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Victor Johnson wrote: Nov 7, 1998 Birthday show at Alexander Memorial (Georgia Tech) Atlanta, Georgia This was my first time seeing Joni live. A friend of a friend who worked at Tower Records had gotten us 3 good seats right up, front and center, maybe about the 14th row. Before the concert, I picked up a dozen roses, a card, and a stuffed tiger from TY. We arrived a little late and missed the opening number...I was wearing a suit, tie, and carrying the flowers, etc... I must have looked pretty distinguished because someone asked my friend Connie who I was as if I was somebody important. I was thrilled beyond belief to finally see Joni live and Bob Dylan was a good chaser as he was really rocking and I need to come back down from being on cloud 10. Unfortunately, I was not clairvoyant and was not able to meet up with the jmdl (whom I had never heard of) as Paul IV so politely suggested I should have. May 19, 2000 Chastain Park with the ASO Atlanta, Georgia This time I actually did meet up with a group from the JMDL including Bob Muller, Alice from Asheville, etc...and my friend Holley(who attended Pazfest with me). Enjoyed the show and ran into Larry Klein afterwards at the hotel. Victor NP: still Stevie Wonder- Overjoyed ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #316 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------