From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #313 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, August 10 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 313 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Au secours....HELP..... [Les Irvin ] Re: Au secours....HELP..... [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Rolling thunder concert [Michael Paz ] Re: Au secours....HELP..... [Michael Paz ] Re: Shine Cover Art ["Cassy" ] Re: Au secours....HELP..... [Debra Shea ] Jonifest UK ? ["Joe Jones" ] re: 'SHINE' (Cover Art) [LCStanley7@aol.com] Short Joni bio and Joni as BC resident [Catherine McKay ] Re: Rolling thunder concert [Motitan@aol.com] re: 'SHINE' (Cover Art) -- njc [Smurf ] SV: Short Joni bio and Joni as BC resident ["Marion Leffler" ] From Bo [Peep Richman ] Subject: Re: the going rate????! NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Hejira on record! [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Hejira on record! [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Shine Cover Art [Michael Flaherty ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:46:55 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Au secours....HELP..... >but the blue stripe on this one is disturbing >the picture for some of us I received the cover artwork today from the record company and I'm pleased to say that the final product will NOT have the blue stripe on it. I hope to get the artwork on the website soon. Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:05:07 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Au secours....HELP..... Oh masterful one Les announced : > I received the cover artwork today from the record company and I'm pleased > to say that the final product will NOT have the blue stripe on it. I hope > to get the artwork on the website soon. > Yippee! I'm so glad you let us know, and that I was wrong. Now bring on those dancing butts! Jimmy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:07:09 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Rolling thunder concert You are very welcome. I had fun listening to alot of shows yesterday while I am lying around healing. I always thought there was a cocaine reference to that tune. I know she had fun "tooting and talking all night long" on many occasion. Best paz On Aug 9, 2007, at 4:50 AM, Michel BYRNE wrote: Paz - many thanks! Great to hear a guitar-driven version of Shadows and Light, a live Dont Interrupt the Sorrow, and the first ever public performance of Coyote - wow!!! Listening to that version, it seems very likely that the 'fine white lines' on the free way refer to cocaine, an interpretation i'd never really bought into- up till now. Thanks so much! Mich _________________________________________________________________ Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local knowledge http://www.backofmyhand.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:11:34 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Au secours....HELP..... I kinda suspected that what we were seeing on AMazon was not the one. Oh ye of little faith. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band cell-504-382-0343 http://www.preservationhall.com On Aug 9, 2007, at 10:46 AM, Les Irvin wrote: > but the blue stripe on this one is disturbing > the picture for some of us I received the cover artwork today from the record company and I'm pleased to say that the final product will NOT have the blue stripe on it. I hope to get the artwork on the website soon. Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:13:02 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Shine Cover Art From: "P Bear" <<< I agree with Jimmy , it spells CENSORED . Can anyone else think of another word for it ? Is it a bad cover , I do not think for this 'Shine' album . Why didn't they use the recent photo of Joni sitting with her guitar plus her group . This cover should have been used for the Ballet tribute ! >>> I've been reading the opinions of the cover shown with interest. If the banner is for censorship of naked bums it would all fit. The moon hanging over dancers who are "mooning"; everyone "shining". Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: Au secours....HELP..... - --- Christian MACKOWSKI wrote: > When I 'm reading all kinds of instinctive analysis > about the FAMOUS COVER > from the last and next album from Our International > Great Artist and > Magnificent PAINTER over that planet , I AM FED UP > !!!!!!! > Who do you think you are , to get this judgement so > abrupt just seeing and > guessing that....."IT IS NOT AT ALL WHAT SHE HAD TO > DO !!!!!!!" Joni fans sure are passionate! Another way Joni fans show their passion, Christian, is to look closely, really closely, at whatever she does and have an opinion about it. That opinion may not always be 100% favorable. Every artist knows that once the work goes out into the marketplace, it's up for grabs. Thank goodness that after decades in the marketplace, Joni still has fans that are paying such close attention. And, you're right, Christian, the music is her most important gift. Brace yourself, though. There will probably be less than 100% favorable reactions to that too. I'm glad to read the message from Les that the final cover art will not have that blue stripe. I'm really curious about how all those little legs are going to hook up with the dancers' torsos. Debra Shea ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:29:20 +0100 From: "Joe Jones" Subject: Jonifest UK ? Hi, please forgive my ignorance but is there a 2007 Jonifest in the UK ? Thanks - Joe np - Ryan Adams - Live at St. Lukes, HOSL demos - -- Joe Jones +44 7758 106430 (UK) +420 608 378 729 (CR) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:20:37 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: re: 'SHINE' (Cover Art) An foot from inside a mouth spoke: > eeeuuuw! that's nasty. bleuch! IMO > canNOT believe she got behind THIS! > if that's going to be the cover, i'll be taking my copy of this release from > i-tons. > no, i don't believe this is the cover. wont. can't make me. > Hi Tippie Toey, Butt isn't that you behind that blue strip... second in from the left? The Blue Stripper? Or is it that zebra lady who was at the last fest? Love, Starbuckaroo ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Short Joni bio and Joni as BC resident Found this snooping around on google when I'm supposed to be working: - --------------------------------------------- http://www.abcbookworld.com/?state=view_author&author_id=2817 MITCHELL, Joni Joni Mitchell has been a part-time resident of B.C. since 1971 when she bought a 40-acre retreat home north of Halfmoon Bay on the Sunshine Coast. She ranks with Bryan Adams as the most-heard-of and most-heard B.C. author. Born at Fort MacLeod, Alberta, in 1943, she was christened Roberta Joan by her parents William and Myrtle Anderson. Her father was an ex-RCAF officer and a grocery store manager. When the family moved to Saskatoon, Joni Mitchell took piano lessons and taught herself to play the guitar from an instruction book, developing her penchant for unusual tunings. She attended Alberta College of Art in Calgary and was encouraged by friends to perform as a folksinger in Toronto. She worked briefly as a department store clerk in order to her earn $140 for the musicians union fee. In Toronto she met a singer from Detroit named Chuck Mitchell, whom she married in 1965. She went to Detroit to sing at coffeehouses before they broke up in 1966. Joni Mitchell moved from New York to Californias Laurel Canyon in 1968. Prior to her professional career as a solo act, she had a child that was given up for adoption. She reunited with her daughter in the 1990s, with mixed results. As a British Columbian, Mitchell has kept a low profile, vising several times a year, or less. In the summer of 1995, however, she made a rare stage appearance without an instrument in order to discuss her writing as part of the Festival of the Written Arts in Sechelt. Prior to her introduction, she confessed she was extremely nervous about presenting herself as a writer. Since then Joni Mitchell has been involved in numerous book projects, having rejected the music industry and devoted more of her time to her painting. Several book projects have arisen in conjunction with her lyrics and art, but a long-in-progress autobiography or authorized biography has yet to appear. She was featured on the cover of BC BookWorld, Summer, 1995. BOOKS: Joni Mitchell: Lyrics & Poems (Random House, 1997) [Alan Twigg / BCBW 2003] "Music" - ------------------------------------------------------Info Following her highly publicized reunion with the daughter she gave up for adoption 30 years ago, Sunshine Coaster Joni Mitchell has also signed a deal for an autobiography. Mitchell's collection of song lyrics and poems is due this fall (Crown). [BCBW 1997] - ------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE NOTE: This reference site is provided and managed by B.C. BookWorld ). It was established with the generous assistance of the Simon Fraser University Library. Anyone consulting the data is hereby notified that BC BookWorld cannot and does not guarantee the veracity of every piece of information that is presented. - ------------------------------------------------------ Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni and Ruby Lake Resort, BC I can't copy this in a format that will look OK - it's a pdf in a column style with ads interspersed. In any case, if you follow the link, check out the painting behind Chef Aldo: http://www.rubylakeresort.com/doc/Coastlines_Appetizer_May06.pdf Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:43:45 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Rolling thunder concert I'm sorry but what was the link to this concert? I'd really like to hear it. I think this whole concert experience with Bob Dylan and "friends" (everybody was on that tour!) is very, very interesting. I'd really like to hear Joni at that time. It is a shame she didn't end up being in the movie that was filmed at the time. The scenes she was in seemed like they could have been something worthwhile. I know she said she didn't like the way she looked in the film (and then later said everyone else didn't look so wonderful either!). But the rest of the film, from what I read, sounds like a drawn out bubble of nothing. As far as "Coyote" and the white lines go, I will admit the first time I heard her say "white lines" I did think of cocaine. I automatically associate "white lines" or a "line" with cocaine. Of course, listening to the whole song, phrase ("of the freeway"), and theme of the album made me think again. Then reading up on this period and knowing Joni was using cocaine makes me think the double meaning you are talking about is more right than wrong. I love when lyrics have double meanings! Brilliant! - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: re: 'SHINE' (Cover Art) -- njc Laura wrote: < Or is it that zebra lady who was at the last fest? > Laura, That was no lady. --SoB LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: An foot from inside a mouth spoke: > eeeuuuw! that's nasty. bleuch! IMO > canNOT believe she got behind THIS! > if that's going to be the cover, i'll be taking my copy of this release from > i-tons. > no, i don't believe this is the cover. wont. can't make me. > Hi Tippie Toey, Butt isn't that you behind that blue strip... second in from the left? The Blue Stripper? Or is it that zebra lady who was at the last fest? Love, Starbuckaroo ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:09:02 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Short Joni bio and Joni as BC resident You do get good results at work, Catherine! Thank you, for both fruits of your labor! Loved the painting behind chef Aldo! And I am really hoping for an authorized biography soon. By the way, what are the "mixed results" of Joni's reunion with her daughter? Laughing and crying? Marion, now signing off to go to sleep - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Catherine McKay Skickat: den 9 augusti 2007 20:03 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Short Joni bio and Joni as BC resident Found this snooping around on google when I'm supposed to be working: - --------------------------------------------- http://www.abcbookworld.com/?state=view_author&author_id=2817 MITCHELL, Joni Joni Mitchell has been a part-time resident of B.C. since 1971 when she bought a 40-acre retreat home north of Halfmoon Bay on the Sunshine Coast. She ranks with Bryan Adams as the most-heard-of and most-heard B.C. author. Born at Fort MacLeod, Alberta, in 1943, she was christened Roberta Joan by her parents William and Myrtle Anderson. Her father was an ex-RCAF officer and a grocery store manager. When the family moved to Saskatoon, Joni Mitchell took piano lessons and taught herself to play the guitar from an instruction book, developing her penchant for unusual tunings. She attended Alberta College of Art in Calgary and was encouraged by friends to perform as a folksinger in Toronto. She worked briefly as a department store clerk in order to her earn $140 for the musicians union fee. In Toronto she met a singer from Detroit named Chuck Mitchell, whom she married in 1965. She went to Detroit to sing at coffeehouses before they broke up in 1966. Joni Mitchell moved from New York to Californias Laurel Canyon in 1968. Prior to her professional career as a solo act, she had a child that was given up for adoption. She reunited with her daughter in the 1990s, with mixed results. As a British Columbian, Mitchell has kept a low profile, vising several times a year, or less. In the summer of 1995, however, she made a rare stage appearance without an instrument in order to discuss her writing as part of the Festival of the Written Arts in Sechelt. Prior to her introduction, she confessed she was extremely nervous about presenting herself as a writer. Since then Joni Mitchell has been involved in numerous book projects, having rejected the music industry and devoted more of her time to her painting. Several book projects have arisen in conjunction with her lyrics and art, but a long-in-progress autobiography or authorized biography has yet to appear. She was featured on the cover of BC BookWorld, Summer, 1995. BOOKS: Joni Mitchell: Lyrics & Poems (Random House, 1997) [Alan Twigg / BCBW 2003] "Music" - ------------------------------------------------------Info Following her highly publicized reunion with the daughter she gave up for adoption 30 years ago, Sunshine Coaster Joni Mitchell has also signed a deal for an autobiography. Mitchell's collection of song lyrics and poems is due this fall (Crown). [BCBW 1997] - ------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE NOTE: This reference site is provided and managed by B.C. BookWorld ). It was established with the generous assistance of the Simon Fraser University Library. Anyone consulting the data is hereby notified that BC BookWorld cannot and does not guarantee the veracity of every piece of information that is presented. - ------------------------------------------------------ Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: Short Joni bio and Joni as BC resident - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > I am really hoping for > an authorized biography soon. By the way, what are > the "mixed results" of > Joni's reunion with her daughter? Laughing and > crying? Yeah, we've been waiting for that bio for a while. "Mixed results" is probably referring to the fact that Joni and Kilauren have had "issues" - good times and bad, agreements and disagreements. That's what happens in any parent-child relationship, but it's probably very touchy in a case when birth-parent and birth-child don't meet until the child is 30 or so. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:56:49 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: NJC Common courtesy is dead and gone? Maybe we should now call it uncommon courtesy? Musik Meister Muller wrote: "But I tend to think (like Victor) that the treatment I get is highly influenced by the attitude I project. When someone is rude or discourteous to me, it's their problem, not mine. And I make every effort to be courteous to both friends and strangers, and hope that maybe some of it will rub off." Exactement! It can be contagious. Good karma. Instant karma's gonna get you Gonna knock you off your feet Better recognize your brothers Everyone you meet (Not you, Bob. I mean the million lost and lonely ones without courtesy.) Mike in Barcelona shared: "Regarding Monika's comments on common courtesy, I have to agree that it is, IMHO and in my immediate surroundings, disappearing from everyday life for many people, especially on the roads here in Spain where almost nobody shows any respect for the other drivers, traffic signals, speed limits, pedestrians, cyclists etc. It's a 'fuck you, get out of my way' mentality, even on Sundays in August in the villages." That's sad! Does that happen even on your red dirt roads? Did you hear about the highway in CA (38? 138? Somewhere outside of the City of the Fallen Angels) that they had to close because of road rage? Hit and run drivers got pissed off because of construction delays and were throwing stuff and swearing at the workers. Sheesh!!! But because you are talking about Spain, I am reminded of a story, and you know what a story told is! This one is rather the opposite of yours, though. Driving into campus one morning, I came to a stop sign. To my right another driver came to his stop sign. I smiled and waved him on. He smiled and waved me on. I smiled and waved him on. Kind of ridiculous, actually -- too much courtesy! So the driver takes a left and is right next to me, window to window. We look at each other and smile and wave again, and then realize who we are. It's my amigo Gustavo, our new Spanish professor who is a total sweetheart. (He went to UCSB, Kate, and we talk about SB all the time.) We pointed at each other and laughed at how our courteous perfection will always be denied. Have a good hols (part II), but what does "hols" mean? At first I thought "Hissing of lawns, summer", and then holidays. I presume it is holidays, as they call "vacation" in Europe. Uh oh....another song pops into my head. I'm in Santa Barbara again. 1967. "Holiday"? "Oooh you're a holiday, every day is a holiday...." Mondegreen lyrics? Let me Google.... Oh, it's Bee Gees. Ooh you're a holiday, every day, such a holiday Now it's my turn to say, and I say you're a holiday. With a courteous and respectful curtsy to all, Patti P. * Bene, does "curtsy" come from "courteous", peut-etre? _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:49:24 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Coyote I think the operative word here is "fine" because I am not sure about the rest of the world but here in Jersey the lines on the "freeway" ..ok well we call it a highway but I digress..the lines on the road are pretty thick..So using the word "fine" helps with the double meaning..I remember when I was taking Adderall(prescription cocaine) for my supposed ADD my blogs were like epic poems and from what I hear coke makes people chatty...I'll never forget hearing "song for sharon" and I marveled at the length and fluidity of it..I never knew much about Joni's drug use (I secretly always hoped she was a big pothead..lol..so we'd have something in common..ha ha..j/k..sorta..) - --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: From Bo I'm way behind the times now (reading Digests...and I guess just "functioning"), so I haven't seen the cover of "shine" but I'm sure reading a great deal of negative input! Having not seen the cover I have no reaction one way or another. I also want to go on eBay to see what in the world is happening with Joni's cover. I always looked forward to Joni's albums and Cd's not only for her amazing music, lyrics, topics and the art....guess this won't simulate the same sort of anticipation. What does this say about our expectations? Maybe this is too early, since I haven't seen the cover, but I know that Joni shares exactly what she wants to share. I've always been interested in knowing what Joni thinks and feels about her reviews....I really don't think she cares a bit. Joni perceives herself as 'living in a box of paint' and I always thought she puts her art on top of the enormous list of her talents. She may have spoiled us completely....that, or we just have to come to grips that she is in semi-retirement. I'm going to see if I can take a look at the cover. Hope you are all well, happy, enjoying this summer and have Joni's lyrics to call upon when you need her the most. Love from Bo - --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:15:55 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: the going rate????! NJC I think a second relisting was the strategy from the start. I think he's trolling with this auction, in hopes that he'll generated interest at a lower price. He's preparing the public to pay $300, as you suggest. CJ Craig would say, "I'll soften up the ground." Jim L <> Muller said, >3. Because this idiot has priced the item at an unbelievably high price hich NO ONE will pay ("Voices tends to sell for around $300), he or she will have to relist it and unless they lower the opening bid price, the insertion fees will pile up.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:01:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: njc, 117 degrees in Baghdad and no water, but lots of guns PP said, >WTF? "Lost track" of 190,000 weapons? This is not a matter of wasted $$$ or harmless unused trailers or tons of undistributed bags of ice melting away. How many injuries and deaths have resulted from 190,000 lost weapons? Is this Katrina-like gross incompetence, or part of the plan? I have no idea, but this administration has GOT to go!> If Senator Hillary Clinton took office today, she'd stay the course in Iraq. I think you **know** that. If the weapons had been lost on her shift, would you call for her resignation too? You haven't thought it through. What if we did pull everyone out overnight? Would that magically fix the electric plants? Would the water magically start running? One day you blame the Administration for continuing to be there, and the next you blame them for all of the unfinished business. Early this week, you wanted us to fix the drinking water for Baghdad. Today you want us out (again). I "hear" your indignation but it's not persuasive. Remember "Rain Man"? The counselor asked Raymond (Hoffman) if he wants to go back to Wallbrook or stay with his brother in California. Rainman says, "Stay back to Wallbrook... with my brother, Charlie. Definitely. Definitely want to stay back to Wallbrook." Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:21:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Jonifest UK ? NJC Nope, but there's one in a year - August 2008. See ya there Joe! Bob NP: Marie Little, "The Gallery" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:18:16 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Hejira on record! Yesterday I had to pick up my siblings from the airport (they took a plane to a taxi and a taxi to a train....no, just a plane but you know) after they came back from Seattle. One of the souvenirs/gifts my sister bought me was Hejira on vinyl! I've always wanted to be one of those people who say, "oh I've got that on vinyl." I just recently started a record collection. Hejira is my fifth record. One day I'd like to own a record player to actually hear these this way. The cover and the words inside looked so different even though I've seen them a million times playing Hejira on cd. Does that make sense? - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Hejira on record! >>>I've always wanted to be one of those people who say, "oh I've got that on vinyl." I just recently started a record collection. Hejira is my fifth record. One day I'd like to own a record player to actually hear these this way. The cover and the words inside looked so different even though I've seen them a million times playing Hejira on cd. Does that make sense? - -Monika Yes it does! :) Although I have all of Joni's records on cd, I will never get rid of the vinyl versions (everything through CMitR--NRH is the first I bought on cd originally). Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:28:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Shine Cover Art jeannie wrote: >>Joni may be finding inspiration and release and maybe just wants to affiliate somehow with the graceful dance moves of ballet. For me, this is by far the best post anyone has made on the new cover (which I agree is not typical Joni, but I like). Michael Flaherty PS "Expectation is a prison." -- Robert Fripp - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #313 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------