From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #312 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 9 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 312 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SV: Au secours....HELP..... ["Marion Leffler" ] principles NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Rolling thunder concert ["Michel BYRNE" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #311 [Randy Johnson ] SV: Rolling thunder concert ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: the going rate????! NJC ["P. Henry" ] RE: SV: Rolling thunder concert ["Michel BYRNE" ] SV: SV: Rolling thunder concert ["Marion Leffler" ] RE: SV: SV: Rolling thunder concert ["Michel BYRNE" ] njc, 117 degrees in Baghdad and no water, but lots of guns ["Patti Parlet] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:31:30 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Au secours....HELP..... Hi Christian, I'm sorry that you are so upset about the criticism of the cover of Shine, at least the version we have seen. I am also unhappy about you feeling this is a personal attack on Joni. We have been waiting so long for a new cd that expectations are high. Also, we are being used to beautiful covers with Joni's art, but the blue stripe on this one is disturbing the picture for some of us. I don't think we are being judgemental for saying so. Who do we think we are? Joni's faithful fans! Have a nice day, Christian, enjoy the summer! Best wishes, Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Christian MACKOWSKI Skickat: den 8 augusti 2007 23:30 Till: loveuconn@hotmail.com Kopia: jmdl Dmne: Au secours....HELP..... HI Patti, Hi Joni The Only One......... HELP....I need somebody....HELP Noow just anybody...HEEEEELP........ When I ws younger so much, younger than today.....I 've never need anybody's help in anyway..........(it's not true,obviously.)........ When I 'm reading all kinds of instinctive analysis about the FAMOUS COVER from the last and next album from Our International Great Artist and Magnificent PAINTER over that planet , I AM FED UP !!!!!!! Who do you think you are , to get this judgement so abrupt just seeing and guessing that....."IT IS NOT AT ALL WHAT SHE HAD TO DO !!!!!!!" Joni has her good reasons.......just let HER quiet.....Believe in her.......in HER music.......and just respect her new musical surprise A cover is not important.........Maturity and force of creation, writing are.......IN THE BOX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .......... - - From a poor lonesome misunderstood b,uropean author/composer/ who tries to leave out for a while.................. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:01:50 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: principles NJC Excuse the rambling, just caught up on the digests after my hols (part I) and I have a few comments to make on various threads before going away again on hols (part II). 1. Regarding Monika's comments on common courtesy, I have to agree that it is, IMHO and in my immediate surroundings, disappearing from everyday life for many people, especially on the roads here in Spain where almost nobody shows any respect for the other drivers, traffic signals, speed limits, pedestrians, cyclists etc. It's a 'fuck you, get out of my way' mentality, even on Sundays in August in the villages. I think it's a lack of respect in general; queue jumping, in banks, stations, supermarkets, airports etc is almost the norm. Many civil servants treat people with contempt, not realising that they are there to serve the people and to be civil. This goes for private sector as well, the telephone companies, and all the public utilities and in practically all walks of life the concept of 'service' is largely a thing of the past. I live in an area which has more than 100 shops selling computers and computer industry peripherals and I can shop around for the best deals, all within 2 minutes walk of my house. Competition is intense, but if, as I did, you buy a printer and it doesn't work when you get it home, when you go back to complain they give you a phone number of the company to call as it is no longer the problem of the vendor. No apologies, no help. Common courtesy costs nothing, and providing good service is good for business, so why are these two things disappearing? 2. Principles. This is a little more tricky so nobody please take offence, the comments are general and not aimed at anyone, although I'd have to mention Bob Muller in this context as my comments are pertinent to something he posted. My friend Toby is a lifelong socialist and a very vocal opponent of private medicine. However, his youngest daughter, some years ago, had a great deal of pain in her ear and couldn't sleep well for many weeks. It was hard for all of us to watch this and when the public medical service said she'd have to wait four months for a specialist appointment, Toby abandoned his principles and paid the private doctor and Yasmin was able to get back to a normal life. Bob Muller said something similar and both he and Toby acted as any good parent would. Nothing to be ashamed about there. However, my general question here is: 'what is the point of having principles if they are only theoretical principles?' When the time comes to stand by your principles in practice, we (almost of us) frequently become 'pragmatic' and drop the principles. I am no better than anyone else here and it is certainly easier to live one's life in a pragmatic rather than a principled way, but we make such a big deal of having our principles and too readily abandon them when push comes to shove, in other areas of life I mean, not in Bob and Toby's case. Finally, a confession. I have never seen an episode of the Simpsons and have never seen the Blues Brothers film. In the first case, when I arrived in Spain I didn't have a tv and when I finally lived in a place with a tv the show appeared on a channel that we didn't watch (on principle) although we used to watch it occasionally (and pragmatically) if the soccer was only shown on that channel. In the case of the Blues Brothers, I don't know what happened. Just never coincided with my timetable, I guess. Signing out till end of august, enjoy your hols everyone. mike in barcelona np: god speed you black emperor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:50:37 +0000 From: "Michel BYRNE" Subject: Rolling thunder concert Paz - many thanks! Great to hear a guitar-driven version of Shadows and Light, a live Dont Interrupt the Sorrow, and the first ever public performance of Coyote - wow!!! Listening to that version, it seems very likely that the 'fine white lines' on the free way refer to cocaine, an interpretation i'd never really bought into- up till now. Thanks so much! Mich _________________________________________________________________ Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local knowledge http://www.backofmyhand.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 03:11:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Johnson Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #311 sorry kids, i stand corrected. Exhibition catagoue is at the Levi Morriss Gallery (not the one i got wrong) so pummell me with green flags, ok? He is on La Cienega Blvd. in L.A. and there are posters and more expensive catalogues as well. Per "Voices" kudos to the woman on e-bay who sold it to me for $200.00 because she knew i was on disability and let me pay in two payments. So there are good-hearted Joni fans out there who got the goods for those of us who normally could only afford that ugly Canadian Stamp Set. JMDL Digest wrote: JMDL Digest Thursday, August 9 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 311 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- re: 'SHINE' (Cover Art) ["Ross, Les" ] Re: 'SHINE' (Cover Art) [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Exhibitoin Catalogues at Levi Morriss Gallery [Randy Johnson Re: the going rate????! [FMYFL@aol.com] Shine cover [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: the going rate????! NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: the going rate????! NJC [Motitan@aol.com] Re: the going rate????! NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: the going rate????! NJC [Motitan@aol.com] NJC Common courtesy is dead and gone? [Motitan@aol.com] Re: NJC Common courtesy is dead and gone? [Victor Johnson Re: the going rate????! NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Common courtesy is dead and gone? [Catherine McKay craig the man NJC [Mags ] Re: NJC Hello [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: the going rate????! NJC [Victor Johnson ] Re: NJC Common courtesy is dead and gone? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: the going rate????! NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: 'SHINE' (Cover Art) [jeannie ] Re: the going rate????! NJC ["P. Henry" ] Dancin' Clown parody [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: the going rate????! NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: the going rate????! NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Shine Cover Art ["P Bear" ] "voices" for sale on ebay, was the going rate????! ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Re: NJC Common courtesy is dead and gone? ["gene" ] Check out the Concert Vault ["Michael Paz" ] Sorry [Michael Paz ] Re: Shine Cover Art [jeannie ] Re: njc joni content Magdalene Laundries [Bruce Eggleston Au secours....HELP..... ["Christian MACKOWSKI" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:01:19 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: re: 'SHINE' (Cover Art) eeeuuuw! that's nasty. bleuch! IMO canNOT believe she got behind THIS! if that's going to be the cover, i'll be taking my copy of this release from i-tons. no, i don't believe this is the cover. wont. can't make me. L(london) - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:18:11 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: 'SHINE' (Cover Art) Hi Debra and everyone. Great critique of the cover art, Debra. My first impression was that the blue strip was indeed one of those temporary/removable things. I certainly hope so. The cover art is lovely without that although, I would have preferred some more of Joni's art. Even one of her photo manipulations from her recent exhibition would have worked for me, since there is a war theme in some of the songs. My 2 cents. Mark in Sydney - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 01:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Johnson Subject: Exhibitoin Catalogues at Levi Morriss Gallery As of last week there were only 46 remaining singed copies of Joni's exhibit catalogue for the show she had there recently. Thought i'd pass it on to the loyal. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 05:50:07 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: the going rate????! damn, she signed my book "Happy Birthday Jimmy, Joni Mitchell", then 4 months later, my puppy chewed on the edge of the book. it's not worth squat now. still, $4999 for a 1st edition Mendel art gallery book? PHHTTT! I'd rather bid the $30,000 for Tony Soprano's SUV that's supposed to be on ebay. Jimmy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:43:29 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Shine cover Uhm I have to say I don't really like the SHINE cover. First of all, on the top bit I find the way their fingers strut very theatrical, but moreover, as Debra said, it looks odd with those little legs sticking out on the bottom, as if they all had four sets of little dog's legs. Are they kentaurs? Dogtaurs? It's one of those images, once you've got it into your head it is hard to get rid of, like a bad melody. That's my sour take. On a sunny day, and I just had a good friend for coffee, so it's not that I am in a bad mood at all! Bene - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:50:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: the going rate????! NJC $4,999. I don't get it....> Well, what the seller is thinking/hoping is that someone who is dumb enough to bid $4,999 will go ahead and kick in the extra dollar. Ebay LOVES idiot sellers like this because: 1. They collect their insertion fees based on the starting price, so this seller paid a hefty fee. 2. They collect a bonus fee when a seller posts an auction using both a "Buy It Now" and an opening bid option. 3. Because this idiot has priced the item at an unbelievably high price which NO ONE will pay ("Voices tends to sell for around $300), he or she will have to relist it and unless they lower the opening bid price, the insertion fees will pile up. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Putnam County" - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Ebay LOVES idiot sellers like this because: - - ------------------------------------------- Although the "buy it now" option is good for buyers AT TIMES. Obviously this is not one of those times as this is drastically overpriced. However, I've used the "buy it now" option in the past to guarantee my item. That way you don't have to worry about anyone else bidding and you don't have to play that tug-o-war. - - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:53:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: the going rate????! NJC < Although the "buy it now" option is good for buyers AT TIMES.> Oh, of course. I did not mean to imply that using "Buy It Now" is dumb for a seller to do, only that it meant that the seller had to pay a higher fee, and given that the starting price was already so high, and practically IDENTICAL to the BIN price, it just seemed to be pretty dumb. As a buyer, I like the BIN option - as long as the price is one that I'm willing to pay, obviously. And I've used it as a seller as well - it makes sense when it's applied with some intelligence. Bob NP: John Doe, "A Grain Of Salt" - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:56:43 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: the going rate????! NJC In a message dated 8/8/2007 9:55:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: < Although the "buy it now" option is good for buyers AT TIMES.> Oh, of course. I did not mean to imply that using "Buy It Now" is dumb for a seller to do, only that it meant that the seller had to pay a higher fee, and given that the starting price was already so high, and practically IDENTICAL to the BIN price, it just seemed to be pretty dumb. - - -------------------------------------------- Right, I understand. I was just saying in many cases it can be good. Here of course is a different story! - - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:14:30 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: NJC Common courtesy is dead and gone? Why is common courtesy lost among most people? This is something that is constantly on my mind. Showing common courtesy could be my motto. I always preach it you see. Now I'm not having a bad day nor am I angry but this is something that I notice in my day-to-day life. People don't even understand what common courtesy is. All I really ask for is common courtesy and I very rarely get it, let alone do I see it illustrated between other people. Why? What is wrong with the world (try answering that in one post, heh)? Joni says you have to try and "get through life with a good heart." Well, I must say, that is a wonderful philosophy but it is awfully hard to do with everything that goes on. When a lack of respect (respect should be a given among people) is presented on a daily basis from one person to the next, getting through life with a good heart gets tougher and tougher. And by "common courtesy" I just mean the most obvious things--things that should be a given. Kindness to your fellow man, returning a phonecall to a friend, actually calling to cancel plans rather than just not showing up, staff at stores being polite to you (and you to them), lending a helping hand when it is needed, etc etc. Common courtesy, the way I see it, is something that is so easy to show and yet I see it lost among most people. Any ideas as to why this is? - - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:43:25 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: NJC Common courtesy is dead and gone? On Aug 8, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > Why is common courtesy lost among most people? This is something > that is > constantly on my mind. Showing common courtesy could be my > motto. I always > preach it you see. Now I'm not having a bad day nor am I angry > but this is > something that I notice in my day-to-day life. People don't even > understand > what common courtesy is. All I really ask for is common courtesy > and I very > rarely get it, let alone do I see it illustrated between other > people. Why? I don't really have an answer either. I guess because they simply don't care. I experience this on a daily basis driving in Atlanta. People drive as if they're the only ones on the road. I also play scrabble on line and you'd be amazed at some people, who, if they're losing the game, get all grouchy and start sending all sorts of insults. Note to players: it's just a game, get over it. Some of them also harass and complain to the volunteer helpers which is ridiculous...they really need to get a life. I always try to be courteous to everybody. I still work at Whole Foods and some of the customers are so rude its ridiculous. But that just motivates me to be even more courteous which tends to ruffle their feathers even more. The only instance where I wouldn't be courteous to someone is if they have been incredibly rude to me but that happens very seldom. I try to lead a drama free life...its healthier that way! Victor - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:30:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: the going rate????! NJC - - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > < Although the "buy it now" option is good for > buyers AT TIMES.> > > Oh, of course. I did not mean to imply that using > "Buy It Now" is dumb for > a seller to do, only that it meant that the seller > had to pay a higher > fee, and given that the starting price was already > so high, and > practically IDENTICAL to the BIN price, it just > seemed to be pretty dumb. > > As a buyer, I like the BIN option - as long as the > price is one that I'm > willing to pay, obviously. And I've used it as a > seller as well - it makes > sense when it's applied with some intelligence. > So, what do you suppose is up with that seller? Is s/he really that stupid? does s/he believe that potential buyers are? (as in - wow - if they're asking that much, it must be worth even more!) Do you suppose they really meant $499 and not $4999? In any case, I put it on my "watch" list with E-Bay, because now I'm really curious to find out what happens. I've also used the "buy it now" option for things that aren't very expensive but that I know I won't be able to find around here, or not for any less. (We're talking $10 or so though!) Catherine - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:54:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Common courtesy is dead and gone? > On Aug 8, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > > Why is common courtesy lost among most people? - - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > I don't really have an answer either. I guess > because they simply > don't care. I experience this on a daily basis > driving in Atlanta. > People drive as if they're the only ones on the > road. > > I also play scrabble on line and you'd be amazed at > some people, who, > if they're losing the game, get all grouchy and > start sending all > sorts of insults. Note to players: it's just a > game, get over it. > Some of them also harass and complain to the > volunteer helpers which > is ridiculous...they really need to get a life. > > I always try to be courteous to everybody. I still > work at Whole > Foods and some of the customers are so rude its > ridiculous. But that > just motivates me to be even more courteous which > tends to ruffle > their feathers even more. > > The only instance where I wouldn't be courteous to > someone is if they > have been incredibly rude to me but that happens > very seldom. I try > to lead a drama free life...its healthier that way! > > Victor > I think that courtesy may be like sense - it's not as common as we'd like to think. My kids are very polite. I've had many people tell me so. And yet, as far as I remember, I didn't go out of my way to *teach* them to be polite, so I'm hoping they simply learned from example. I continue to be amazed, and occasionally amused, at just how rude some people can be. People who will walk through a door just ahead of you, but not hold it for the next one - and I'm not expecting them to stand there and hold it, but simply to hold it so you can grab it as you're coming through, and then you do the same for the next one. People who treat customer service types, store clerks, receptionists, wait staff and CHILDREN as if they are somehow less than human, and demand things without so much as a please or thank you, or who jump the queue at a fast-food place or the drugstore ahead of a child (I've seen this happen and it simply infuriates me.) People who walk three or four abreast along a sidewalk walking towards you and who won't move over to give you some room going the other way - and who act as if they don't even see you. People who behave as if they are completely oblivious to anyone's existance but their own, and to anyone's wants or needs but their own. Selfish drivers who always have to go first, and who will even turn a corner when pedestrians are crossing, because apparently someone forgot to tell them that pedestrians have the right of way. I know that I'm sometimes grouchy and I grumble about things, but I never go out of my way to be rude to anyone and I hope that I'm rarely, if ever, so oblivious that I completely don't notice other people and slam doors in their faces or crowd them off a sidewalk. I do know that sometimes I can walk past people that I know without noticing them, and they might think I'm being rude, but, in fact, I'm probably daydreaming and my eyesight isn't that good so, if there's any kind of glare, I may truly not register who they are. I'm kind of amused at the poor sport scrabble players, Victor. That's something I'd expect from a bunch of kids playing Warcraft on line, but you'd think the Scrabble types might be a bit more refined than that. I do remember when my son was into Warcraft and would get very upset at people that called him names and would try to respond in kind, or my daughter getting upset that some stranger on msn IM would add her to their contacts and then say things to her that were either rude or obscene, and she would also want to respond in kind or argue with them, or deny the things they were saying, which we all knew were untrue in any case. I'd tell them not to respond at all, so as not to give the other person any satisfaction, and, in the msn messenger case, to block that person. You're right, Victor, life is too short for that kind of drama, so using some uncommon sense and politeness always serves you best. Catherine - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:40:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: craig the man NJC sorry for the bandwidth, however, i need to get in touch with craig the man. please give me a shout, thanks. mags in monsoon manitoba :-) - - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:58:22 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: NJC Hello Why don't you just join us in the Cotswolds in August 2008 Patti, then you'll get the smell of all the euros and one place and can decide which ones you want to sample?! Says Bene and thinks it's about time she gets her self together to sign up for the Cotswolds in the first place.... Bene On 8/7/07, Patti Parlette wrote: > > Bene wrote: > > Well not at present, but if all 800 of you are going to share the same > scarf... what do you think!? > > ...And though we shared a common scarf === message truncated === ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:56:36 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Rolling thunder concert Mich, about Coyote - how so? Please explain because I just listened and did not hear the cocaine interpretation confirmed...To me it is still what it says - the white lines of the road she's travelling. But then again, I'm so square..:-) Great performance, though. I liked this version better than the recorded one. Thanks for the link, Paz! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Michel BYRNE Skickat: den 9 augusti 2007 11:51 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Rolling thunder concert Paz - many thanks! Great to hear a guitar-driven version of Shadows and Light, a live Dont Interrupt the Sorrow, and the first ever public performance of Coyote - wow!!! Listening to that version, it seems very likely that the 'fine white lines' on the free way refer to cocaine, an interpretation i'd never really bought into- up till now. Thanks so much! Mich _________________________________________________________________ Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local knowledge http://www.backofmyhand.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:25:43 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: the going rate????! NJC LoL!!! That's OK Catherine, I have my own as well. In fact, I sold about 40 of them on ebay back a few years ago when the Mendel was running out. It was fun getting them out to the faithful and I made about $2,000 profit besides. Bargoon, indeed! LoL!!! Best Regards, Pat NP: Today - Jefferson Airplane - ----------------------------------------------- Catherine wrote: I'll sell you mine for $4,998. What a bargoon! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:10:10 +0000 From: "Michel BYRNE" Subject: RE: SV: Rolling thunder concert I agree it's still the lines on the road, Marion. But in the Rolling Th. concert, if I remember right, she repeatedly refers to the 'FINE white lines on the free free way' at the end of every verse, which to me ALSO suggests lines of coke (on a mad road of druggie freedom...). We know that's how she was getting paid on that tour, and the double meaning does seem stronger than on the Hejira album. There, she pared back the line to 'the white lines on the freeway', presumably to foreground the 'on-the-road' theme of the album, using the original line only at the very end of the song. I may be talking bollocks of course! But I hadn't realised she composed the song while on tour with the Thunder Review, where cocaine was going round like it was sugar candy, and it's hard to imagine that people could have heard that line and NOT thought of the drugs reference, or that Joni in the middle of it all and taking part, could have written that line and NOT thought of the double meaning. Anyway, a great version, as you say - though I much prefer 'wrestle with my ego' to the concert's 'work through my ego' (yuk!). M >From: "Marion Leffler" >To: "'Michel BYRNE'" , >Subject: SV: Rolling thunder concert >Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:56:36 +0200 > >Mich, about Coyote - how so? Please explain because I just listened and did >not hear the cocaine interpretation confirmed...To me it is still what it >says - the white lines of the road she's travelling. But then again, I'm so >square..:-) >Great performance, though. I liked this version better than the recorded >one. >Thanks for the link, Paz! >Marion > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Michel >BYRNE >Skickat: den 9 augusti 2007 11:51 >Till: joni@smoe.org >Dmne: Rolling thunder concert > >Paz - many thanks! Great to hear a guitar-driven version of Shadows and >Light, a live Dont Interrupt the Sorrow, and the first ever public >performance of Coyote - wow!!! Listening to that version, it seems very >likely that the 'fine white lines' on the free way refer to cocaine, an >interpretation i'd never really bought into- up till now. Thanks so much! >Mich > >_________________________________________________________________ >Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local knowledge > >http://www.backofmyhand.com > _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:34:48 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: Rolling thunder concert Ah, thank you, Mich, that makes sense to me - finally! Given those circumstances - which I wasn't aware of, don't know much about Joni's touring - you are probably right. And of course, she is the master of double meanings. Listened to Edith and the Kingpin, too. Her voice got a little shaky there and at the end of the song she didn't quite hit the high notes - loved how she covered that up! (or tried to, anyway). In all, this must have been an amazing concert. And on my birthday, too! Too bad I wasn't aware of it back then. Anyway, it's a treat to listen too even now. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Michel BYRNE Skickat: den 9 augusti 2007 14:10 Till: marionleffler@telia.com; joni@smoe.org Dmne: RE: SV: Rolling thunder concert I agree it's still the lines on the road, Marion. But in the Rolling Th. concert, if I remember right, she repeatedly refers to the 'FINE white lines on the free free way' at the end of every verse, which to me ALSO suggests lines of coke (on a mad road of druggie freedom...). We know that's how she was getting paid on that tour, and the double meaning does seem stronger than on the Hejira album. There, she pared back the line to 'the white lines on the freeway', presumably to foreground the 'on-the-road' theme of the album, using the original line only at the very end of the song. I may be talking bollocks of course! But I hadn't realised she composed the song while on tour with the Thunder Review, where cocaine was going round like it was sugar candy, and it's hard to imagine that people could have heard that line and NOT thought of the drugs reference, or that Joni in the middle of it all and taking part, could have written that line and NOT thought of the double meaning. Anyway, a great version, as you say - though I much prefer 'wrestle with my ego' to the concert's 'work through my ego' (yuk!). M >From: "Marion Leffler" >To: "'Michel BYRNE'" , >Subject: SV: Rolling thunder concert >Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:56:36 +0200 > >Mich, about Coyote - how so? Please explain because I just listened and did >not hear the cocaine interpretation confirmed...To me it is still what it >says - the white lines of the road she's travelling. But then again, I'm so >square..:-) >Great performance, though. I liked this version better than the recorded >one. >Thanks for the link, Paz! >Marion > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Michel >BYRNE >Skickat: den 9 augusti 2007 11:51 >Till: joni@smoe.org >Dmne: Rolling thunder concert > >Paz - many thanks! Great to hear a guitar-driven version of Shadows and >Light, a live Dont Interrupt the Sorrow, and the first ever public >performance of Coyote - wow!!! Listening to that version, it seems very >likely that the 'fine white lines' on the free way refer to cocaine, an >interpretation i'd never really bought into- up till now. Thanks so much! >Mich > >_________________________________________________________________ >Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local knowledge > >http://www.backofmyhand.com > _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:57:20 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: SV: Au secours....HELP..... On Aug 9, 2007, at 3:31 AM, Marion Leffler wrote: > We have been waiting so long for a new cd that > expectations are high. Also, we are being used to beautiful covers > with > Joni's art, but the blue stripe on this one is disturbing the > picture for > some of us. I don't think we are being judgemental for saying so. > Who do we > think we are? Joni's faithful fans! NPIMH: Comic Book Guy- "Worst album cover, ever!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:18:46 +0000 From: "Michel BYRNE" Subject: RE: SV: SV: Rolling thunder concert Yes I wasn't sure if that was a miss or a stylistic mannerism. But the song sounded SO high-pitched, in comparison to the others - I wondered if she'd boobed, in tuning her guitar, but just kept going (haven't checked to see if it's the same key as the Hissing of SL version). I much prefer her more languid, low-pitched version in the S&L concerts of 1979. I loved the live Dont Interrupt..., but it's a pity she misses out the last verse - it leaves the reference to 'a heart like Mary's' coming out of nowhere, instead of flowing from the mention of Liebfraumilch. The band seem to make the jump with her, though, as though it was intentional - strange... Thanks again to Paz! Why does this archival stuff not get released instead of (or as well as) all the various anthologies we've had to make do with??? M >From: "Marion Leffler" >To: "'Michel BYRNE'" , >Subject: SV: SV: Rolling thunder concert >Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:34:48 +0200 > >Ah, thank you, Mich, that makes sense to me - finally! Given those >circumstances - which I wasn't aware of, don't know much about Joni's >touring - you are probably right. And of course, she is the master of >double >meanings. >Listened to Edith and the Kingpin, too. Her voice got a little shaky there >and at the end of the song she didn't quite hit the high notes - loved how >she covered that up! (or tried to, anyway). >In all, this must have been an amazing concert. And on my birthday, too! >Too >bad I wasn't aware of it back then. >Anyway, it's a treat to listen too even now. >Marion > > > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Michel >BYRNE >Skickat: den 9 augusti 2007 14:10 >Till: marionleffler@telia.com; joni@smoe.org >Dmne: RE: SV: Rolling thunder concert > >I agree it's still the lines on the road, Marion. But in the Rolling Th. >concert, if I remember right, she repeatedly refers to the 'FINE white >lines > >on the free free way' at the end of every verse, which to me ALSO suggests >lines of coke (on a mad road of druggie freedom...). We know that's how she >was getting paid on that tour, and the double meaning does seem stronger >than on the Hejira album. There, she pared back the line to 'the white >lines on the freeway', presumably to foreground the 'on-the-road' theme of >the album, using the original line only at the very end of the song. >I may be talking bollocks of course! But I hadn't realised she composed the >song while on tour with the Thunder Review, where cocaine was going round >like it was sugar candy, and it's hard to imagine that people could have >heard that line and NOT thought of the drugs reference, or that Joni in the >middle of it all and taking part, could have written that line and NOT >thought of the double meaning. >Anyway, a great version, as you say - though I much prefer 'wrestle with my >ego' to the concert's 'work through my ego' (yuk!). >M > > > > >From: "Marion Leffler" > >To: "'Michel BYRNE'" , > >Subject: SV: Rolling thunder concert > >Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:56:36 +0200 > > > >Mich, about Coyote - how so? Please explain because I just listened and >did > >not hear the cocaine interpretation confirmed...To me it is still what it > >says - the white lines of the road she's travelling. But then again, I'm >so > >square..:-) > >Great performance, though. I liked this version better than the recorded > >one. > >Thanks for the link, Paz! > >Marion > > > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > >Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Michel > >BYRNE > >Skickat: den 9 augusti 2007 11:51 > >Till: joni@smoe.org > >Dmne: Rolling thunder concert > > > >Paz - many thanks! Great to hear a guitar-driven version of Shadows and > >Light, a live Dont Interrupt the Sorrow, and the first ever public > >performance of Coyote - wow!!! Listening to that version, it seems very > >likely that the 'fine white lines' on the free way refer to cocaine, an > >interpretation i'd never really bought into- up till now. Thanks so much! > >Mich > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local >knowledge > > > >http://www.backofmyhand.com > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk > _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:23:45 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Hope... please watch this, jhc jhc = joni heart content http://theshiftmovihttp://theshihttp ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:05:11 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: SV: Au secours....HELP..... Merci bien, Marion, for coming to Christian's aid. Tres bien dite. (Well said.) It's good when this list is a Mutual Aid Society.....affection and respect, a little passion. (A *little*? LOL...) Yesterday I was in a dark igotnuthintotalktoanybodyabout cafe (even peace girls get the blues), but when I saw his plea for HELP-you-know-I-need-someone last night, I wrote back immediately. Magnet and iron the Joni souls, especially when you speak four common languages: French, English, Joni and Beatles! Ne quittez pas, Christian. Something tells me we're into something good. There are all kinds of emotions and abstractions and self-expressions going on....we all come from such different sets of circumstance, *plus* we're all in high gear these days. But in the end, as you know, the love you take is equal to the love you make. Oui? Oui! When there is too much static, just change the station. The lines are open. Here, there, and everywhere. Conversation, comfort and consultation. We agreed that "il faut cultiver son jardin" (Voltaire) (one must cultivate one's own garden), which is pretty Joni-ish, n'est-ce pas? ("pretty" as in both "rather" and "lovely", back to the "it stays pretty green" debate). We've got to get ourselves back to Joni's garden, or an octopus's garden, in the shade. Sip our tea and lemonade.... (READER BEWARE: Writer appears to be near Folly, headed toward Flip City for sure. Maybe you want to take off outta here?) Hey (bright as a neon light -- begone dark cafe!), that sounds like a good idea. Now I've got Joni in my head singing: "Oh, won't you stay (home from work today), we'll put on the day, there's a sun show every second." Bonne idee, Joni. Merci! You never fail to inspire. I just called my boss to ask for the day off. I'm going to go out to the garden, sip tea and lemonade (I'm serious -- mix them together and it's a great combination), and read a book (My Sister's Keeper by Jodi Picoult) that Bo recommended. (Hi Bo! How you be?) There's a blue blue sky with no clouds to get in my way. Summertime, and the livin' is easy. I wish you all such a day....funny day....looking for laughter and finding it there...sunny day.... Yeah! Good day, sunSHINE! Good day sunshine Good day sunshine Good day sunshine Good morning, starshine.... Don't ignore all the stars up above you. Everybody is a star. Shine, shine, shine, shine! Ooby shooby! We got drunk on sunshine and moonshine and starshine and starbucks and moonshadows and light and shining hair and shining skin, shining as she reels us in... Marion said: Who do we >think we are? Joni's faithful fans! Darn right! Who in the hell do you think you are A super star Well, right you are Starbright, starbright, we've got the Joni lovin' that we like all right....we are stardust, we are GOLDEN! Well we all shine on Like the moon and the stars and the sun Well we all shine on Everyone come on Come on and on and on on on Bring it ON, Joni! I do believe, I do believe, I believe in love, I believe in love comin' around again, comin' around again... She is a girl in a million, my friends! Love, Patti P., & Joni & Paul & John & Ringo & George & Carly & Sly and you know there may be more....yep! And here they are, those very good friends of hers: NPIMH: for Joni Helplessly hoping Her harlequin hovers nearby Awaiting a word Gasping at glimpses Of gentle true spirit He runs, wishing he could fly Only to trip at the sound of good-bye Wordlessly watching He waits by the window And wonders At the empty place inside Heartlessly helping himself He worries Did he hear a good-bye? They are one person We are one person They are three together They are for each other Stand by the stairway You'll see something Certain to tell you Love isn't lying It's loose in a lady who lingers Saying she is lost And choking on her love They are one person They are two alone They are three together They are for each other >Hi Christian, >I'm sorry that you are so upset about the criticism of the cover of Shine, >at least the version we have seen. I am also unhappy about you feeling this >is a personal attack on Joni. We have been waiting so long for a new cd >that >expectations are high. Also, we are being used to beautiful covers with >Joni's art, but the blue stripe on this one is disturbing the picture for >some of us. I don't think we are being judgemental for saying so. Who do we >think we are? Joni's faithful fans! >Have a nice day, Christian, enjoy the summer! >Best wishes, >Marion > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr >Christian >MACKOWSKI >Skickat: den 8 augusti 2007 23:30 >Till: loveuconn@hotmail.com >Kopia: jmdl >Dmne: Au secours....HELP..... > >HI Patti, Hi Joni The Only One......... > >HELP....I need somebody....HELP Noow just anybody...HEEEEELP........ > >When I ws younger so much, younger than today.....I 've never need >anybody's >help in anyway..........(it's not true,obviously.)........ > >When I 'm reading all kinds of instinctive analysis about the FAMOUS COVER >from the last and next album from Our International Great Artist and >Magnificent PAINTER over that planet , I AM FED UP !!!!!!! >Who do you think you are , to get this judgement so abrupt just seeing and >guessing that....."IT IS NOT AT ALL WHAT SHE HAD TO DO !!!!!!!" > >Joni has her good reasons.......just let HER quiet.....Believe in >her.......in >HER music.......and just respect her new musical surprise > >A cover is not important.........Maturity and force of creation, writing >are.......IN THE BOX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .......... >- From a poor lonesome misunderstood b,uropean author/composer/ who tries >to >leave out for a while.................. > _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:40:48 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, 117 degrees in Baghdad and no water, but lots of guns Hello encore une fois. WARNING: POLITCAL CONTENT Well, there goes my good mood! I just turned on the TV to see... Dumbo Dubya's press conference. Oh, my aching back! Darkness, darkness...... His table is laden high with crocks of MERDE that he's dishing out to the world. Shrug, smirk, shrug, smirk, "I believe", "I believe", "I believe"...."Congress does not have their priorities straight"....or is it Congress does not have YOUR f@#$ed up priorities straight, you smug, stupid, supercilious, lying sack of MERDE! What part of the 5th commandment do you not understand, you hypocrite? I'm shaking my fists at lightning now and roaring like forest fire! Anima rising..... So now I will let loose something I wrote yesterday that I got "so damned timid" to send. Jeannie wrote: "This sectarian violence eases pressure on war-maker machinery, for sure." Have you heard about this? "WASHINGTON - The Pentagon has lost track of about 190,000 AK-47 assault rifles and pistols given to Iraqi security forces in 2004 and 2005, according to a new government report, raising fears that some of those weapons have fallen into the hands of insurgents fighting U.S. forces in Iraq. The report from the Government Accountability Office indicates that U.S. military officials do not know what happened to 30 percent of the weapons the United States distributed to Iraqi forces from 2004 through early this year as part of an effort to train and equip the troops." (That was in the Hartford Courant.) Lots of guns, lots of guns. Our own guns killing our own kids. This is beyond the beyond. Utter insanity. WTF? "Lost track" of 190,000 weapons? This is not a matter of wasted $$$ or harmless unused trailers or tons of undistributed bags of ice melting away. How many injuries and deaths have resulted from 190,000 lost weapons? Is this Katrina-like gross incompetence, or part of the plan? I have no idea, but this administration has GOT to go! Remember my "freakin' General" friend, Wesley Clark? (Last fall at one of our Lamont rallys, I went over to him and asked for a song and we put on a harmony.) He is a student of war, and when HE says this one is not going well, we know it is true. "We want the troops home, but may I suggest that if we can raise the dialog, take it away from George Bush's safe ground of troops and people in uniform and 'How dare you question these Generals and these people in uniform that are so patriotic,' and say, 'No, we're not questioning the Generals. Mr. President, we are questioning YOU, YOUR administration, YOUR leadership!' I want you to say to President Bush, 'Mr. President, stop hiding behind Dave Petreaus and come out here and defend YOUR strategy! This is YOUR war. YOU defend it.' If you have time, listen to what he has to say. He's a smart man who knows of what he speaks ("generally speaking", that is!) http://securingamerica.com/node/2609 If I had a heart, I'd cry. Peace, Patti P. This world is shattered The wise are mourning The fools are joking -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #312 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------