From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #306 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 7 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 306 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Case of you - who is she? [amary559@aol.com] Re: Case of you - who is she? [Jerry Notaro ] (NJC) Taking a break ["Lori Fye" ] back after a long absence Lori Century [Lori Anderson ] RE: back after a long absence Lori Century ["Suze Cameron" ] njc, 117 degrees in Baghdad and no water ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:25:02 -0400 From: amary559@aol.com Subject: Case of you - who is she? I had not really considered the religious overtones of the "devil and deeds" whilst "be prepared to bleed" does indicate that nothing short of a saint's patience and forebearance is required. What is not clear is who the woman "with a mouth like yours" is...a real person or perhaps some imaginery creation of Joni's torment as she struggles with the decision - should I stay or should I go? I have always assumed that she did go as the opening line is "Just before our love got lost.." - is there any room for ambiguity on this point? Kevin - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:12:51 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Case of you Hi Bruce, I read your interpretation of A Case of You sometime last week and wanted to tell you that I really liked it. Funny how many of us have stumbled over that line, I could drink a case of you... and funny how, although this is one of my favourite songs and I have attached a lot of significance to just that line, I have still been wondering about the other verses. You deserve a degree here for that interpretation of yours! As far as the woman with 'a mouth like yours', I will have to think about your interpretation. I always thought of it as just some similarity in the shape of the mouth and the way she holds her lips or pulls a smile, some of those little things in other people that make them resemble each other, not because they are related, but because of a similar attitude. When you are taken in with someone, these things can sometimes make a intriguing impression when you meet them in others. That's all from me! Bene Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:32:06 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: Wholy holy? Dear Gordon, Thank you for picking up on that, but in truth the presumed Catholic imagery did come strictly from the lyrics, not from any import of theology in my life. I'm as agnostic as one can be, having dropped out of the Mormon or LDS (I'm a native of Salt Lake City, Utah) Church at the tender age of 15 years. I don't attribute Catholicism to Ms. Mitchell either, but I do think there are sins of commission in that regard in her divine lyrics. The "devil and the deeds", "be[ing] prepared to bleed", and "in my blood you're my holy wine" are entirely suggestive of religious/ Christian imagery and lore. It is a stretch to invoke the Saintly Mother, but the phrase "She had a mouth like yours" does say female relative. The meeting of this female relative always had a hint of the mysterious, as it is not like meeting the parents at a bar-be-que of hog but and beer. A mother who raised such a first tier cad as the subject of the of the song would have to possess saint-like qualities to survive such a whelping. As such, a saint-like mysterious mother is not wholly out of context. But I pick nits. "I met a woman, She had a mouth like yours She knew your life She knew your devils and your deeds And she said, Color go to him, stay with him if you can, Oh but be prepared to bleed, Oh, but you are in my blood you're my holy wine." Gordon, thank you, I truly appreciate the dialog That is what I love about this benighted and holy sanctuary of Jonism, our spirited teacher and muse of the broken-hearted. Bonneville Bruce - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:19:48 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Case of you again Hi Gordon, and Burce, yes, I forgot that: I thought about 'a mouth like yours in that way too: that she talks like him! But it has to be said that the religious imagery always seemed very important to me in this song, that is why I relate it to 'Love' on Travelogue. We had a long discussion about religion and love some time ago. I get the same feeling from Nick Cave's Into My Arms as I do from these two songs. Why oh why is Into My Arms so difficult to play on the guitar?? Bene From: Gordon Mackie : Anyway, the line 'I met a woman, she had a mouth like yours' does not make me think of a literal 'mouth'. I always thought it was a poetic use of language meaning she 'spoke' like you, had a similar accent or phrased sentences the same way. And whilst I'm on a roll, I suppose having a physical mouth like someone could be purely co-incidental and not necessarily implying of a relative at all. I agree though with (Mc) Bruce that Joni does use a fair bit of catholic imagery here (or maybe, in dour Scotland it's more accurate to state non-reformation Christian imagery). Have as peaceful a weekend as is possible everyone Gordon (in dull, dour Glasgow) Bah humbug! (whatever that literally means) A Mouth Like Yours (Hardcover) by Daniel Duane "I really do think I'm better off, both for having lost Joani Artois and for having loved her in the first place..." Key Phrases: New York, San Francisco, Joan Artois This took the thunder off my face ! See more on Amazon....does this count as a Joni in literature reference?? - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:23:48 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: She had a mouth like yours Yes, Michel - she would be someone who had been going through the same kind of trouble as the lover, so she would what kind of trouble a potential lover was up for. I thought about that too. Bene Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:52:58 +0000 From: "Michel BYRNE" Subject: She had a mouth like yours I've always instinctively understood that line as meaning the woman was as garrulous or as prone to swearing as the singer's lover, in the sense of a woman who would be/may well have have been a match for the man, as a former or potential lover. It only occurred to me later that the line might refer to a relative of the man's, or simply someone who's face reminded the singer of her ex. A passing observation... - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:53:45 -0700 From: "Helena Ruffin" Subject: Green Flag Song Catalogs Still Available One of the many wonderful opportunities that came out of Joni's recent show for me was a new friendship and working relationship with Lev Moross, Joni's gallerist here in L.A. While we were working on my portfolio yesterday, he mentioned he has several signed and unsigned catalogs still available from her show. I thought some of you might want to know this tidbit. If you're interested, you can email Lev at the gallery for more information: lmoross@artterritory.com Helena NP: CSPAN Radio - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:17:08 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: sjc? Parlette's Syndrome is Everywhere on this Marbled Bowling Ball! (sjc = silly, or some, Joni content) SoB, But it ain't me, babe, No, no, no, it ain't me, babe, It ain't me you're lookin' for, babe. Thanks for your confidence, baby, but it's Oddmund! *He* started it! He asked if anyone had a problem with quoting Joni lyrics in love relationships, and that opened the closet door for the rest of us. The walls came tumbling down and we all went running free. It should be called Kaarevik's Syndrome. Oh, okay. Compromise. Kaarevik-Parlette Syndrome, maybe, since I did take it up just a *few* notches, I'll admit. Mea culpa. But I'm notches liberation, doll! LOL.... Although I really think JMOCD is probably the best term. All glory and praise and honor to JM! SoB wrote: I am addicted to Gawker.com, which has some of the funniest writing on the Internet -- even if they're often very unkind. Anyway, here's what they have posted there now (their second Joni reference this week!): << This was such a magical week for comments, you guys. Seriously! (A circle jerk of hilarity amid the vituperation!) We sometimes found ourselves laughing so hard we cried. Laughing and crying, you know, it's the same release.>> Yay! That's great. Dontcha just love it? But we still have some work to do. We have to infiltrate CBS. Jerry, I know you watch the CBS Sunday Morning Show. It started off well and good enough with "Our House", but then they dropped the (marbled bowling) ball. Did you see the piece on tombstones this morning? What a last chance lost! They should have named it: "Granite Markers: Those tributes to finality to eternity." The piece ended with the question (paraphrasing, can't remember exactly): What do you want your tombstone to say? That got me to thinking. (Je pense, donc je suis.) Then it came to me, Like lightening striking from above Electric flash: I've looked at life from both sides now. Funny day, looking for laughter and finding it here with "some of the funniest writing on the Internet" right here in Joni Land -- SoB, CoT, Suze and Jimmy's silly wiener jokes, and you know..... Love, Patti P. P.S. This may be lame, but this wienerish joke from h.s. always made me laugh. Charlie Brown was the in-thing in those days when we used to dance a foot apart. (Sorry, Richard, I know you don't like Charlie Brown, but as She says, "you can't please 'em all!", so please do forgive.) Charlie Brown was wearing a see-through bathing suit. Lucy came up to him and cried out: "Charlie BROWN!! I always KNEW you were crazy, but now I can SEE your (you're) nuts!" Sophomore jive....sorry! _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 00:39:05 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Shine hope IN honor of Joni Mitchell's upcoming album release (Shine) on September 25, 2007, I would like to celebrate. . (everywhere there was song and celebration.) with every body joining in (underlined) to focus on the theme of hope. . . . and make a list of things that are hoped for. . things that you hope for. . . things that you wish. . dream some dreams: for example, hOPe ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ We hope for the health of the planet and atmosphere to be restored, healed. . . I hope that every creature has a fighting chance. . . for the dear froggies, that they may find water. . for the coral reefs. . . for the fishes in the deep blue sea. . for the grass hoppers and each bird. . each graceful deer. . . every thing in the pond, in the sky, on the ground. . all beings. . our very hearts. I wish. . . in honor of Ms. Mitchell. . What is one or some things you hope for? Stating them can bring change. . . like a "prayer." evERYboDY joIN in evERYboDY joIN in (and. . . how else can we celebrate?) Marianne _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting intobefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #237 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:29:43 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Case of you - who is she? It has been speculated on the list before that it is James Taylor's sister. But as Joni has said so many times in interviews, the specifics of who these people are of little consequence to her lyrics, as they may or may not have existed. Jerry > I had not really considered the religious overtones of the "devil and deeds" > whilst > "be prepared to bleed" does indicate that nothing short of a saint's patience > and forebearance is required. What is not clear is who the woman "with a mouth > like > yours" is...a real person or perhaps some imaginery creation of Joni's torment > as she > struggles with the decision - should I stay or should I go? > > > > > > > > I have always assumed that she did go as the opening line is "Just before our > love > got lost.." - is there any room for ambiguity on this point? Kevin > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:12:51 +0200 > From: missblux@googlemail.com > Subject: Case of you > > Hi Bruce, > > I read your interpretation of A Case of You sometime last week and > wanted to tell you that I really liked it. Funny how many of us have > stumbled over that line, I could drink a case of you... and funny how, > although this is one of my favourite songs and I have attached a lot > of significance to just that line, I have still been wondering about > the other verses. You deserve a degree here for that interpretation of > yours! > > As far as the woman with 'a mouth like yours', I will have to think > about your interpretation. I always thought of it as just some > similarity in the shape of the mouth and the way she holds her lips or > pulls a smile, some of those little things in other people that make > them resemble each other, not because they are related, but because of > a similar attitude. When you are taken in with someone, these things > can sometimes make a intriguing impression when you meet them in > others. > > That's all from me! > > Bene > > > > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:32:06 -0600 > From: Bruce Eggleston > Subject: Re: Wholy holy? > > Dear Gordon, > > Thank you for picking up on that, but in truth the presumed Catholic > imagery did come strictly from the lyrics, not from any import of > theology in my life. I'm as agnostic as one can be, having dropped > out of the Mormon or LDS (I'm a native of Salt Lake City, Utah) > Church at the tender age of 15 years. I don't attribute Catholicism > to Ms. Mitchell either, but I do think there are sins of commission > in that regard in her divine lyrics. > > The "devil and the deeds", "be[ing] prepared to bleed", and "in my > blood you're my holy wine" are entirely suggestive of religious/ > Christian imagery and lore. It is a stretch to invoke the Saintly > Mother, but the phrase "She had a mouth like yours" does say female > relative. The meeting of this female relative always had a hint of > the mysterious, as it is not like meeting the parents at a bar-be-que > of hog but and beer. A mother who raised such a first tier cad as the > subject of the of the song would have to possess saint-like qualities > to survive such a whelping. As such, a saint-like mysterious mother > is not wholly out of context. But I pick nits. > > "I met a woman, > She had a mouth like yours > She knew your life > She knew your devils and your deeds > And she said, > Color go to him, stay with him if you can, > Oh but be prepared to bleed, > Oh, but you are in my blood you're my holy wine." > > Gordon, thank you, I truly appreciate the dialog That is what I love > about this benighted and holy sanctuary of Jonism, our spirited > teacher and muse of the broken-hearted. > > Bonneville Bruce > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:19:48 +0200 > From: missblux@googlemail.com > Subject: Case of you again > > Hi Gordon, and Burce, > > yes, I forgot that: I thought about 'a mouth like yours in that way > too: that she talks like him! > > But it has to be said that the religious imagery always seemed very > important to me in this song, that is why I relate it to 'Love' on > Travelogue. We had a long discussion about religion and love some time > ago. I get the same feeling from Nick Cave's Into My Arms as I do from > these two songs. > > Why oh why is Into My Arms so difficult to play on the guitar?? > > Bene > > From: Gordon Mackie : > > Anyway, the line 'I met a woman, she had a mouth like yours' does not > make me think of a literal 'mouth'. I always thought it was a poetic > use of language meaning she 'spoke' like you, had a similar accent or > phrased sentences the same way. And whilst I'm on a roll, I suppose > having a physical mouth like someone could be purely co-incidental > and not necessarily implying of a relative at all. I agree though > with (Mc) Bruce that Joni does use a fair bit of catholic imagery > here (or maybe, in dour Scotland it's more accurate to state > non-reformation Christian imagery). > > Have as peaceful a weekend as is possible everyone > > Gordon (in dull, dour Glasgow) Bah humbug! (whatever that literally means) > > A Mouth Like Yours (Hardcover) > by Daniel Duane "I really do think I'm better off, both for having > lost Joani Artois and for having loved her in the first place..." > Key Phrases: New York, San Francisco, Joan Artois > > This took the thunder off my face ! See more on Amazon....does this > count as a Joni in literature reference?? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:23:48 +0200 > From: missblux@googlemail.com > Subject: She had a mouth like yours > > Yes, Michel - she would be someone who had been going through the same > kind of trouble as the lover, so she would what kind of trouble a > potential lover was up for. I thought about that too. > Bene > > Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:52:58 +0000 > From: "Michel BYRNE" > Subject: She had a mouth like yours > > I've always instinctively understood that line as meaning the woman was as > garrulous or as prone to swearing as the singer's lover, in the sense of a > woman who would be/may well have have been a match for the man, as a former > or potential lover. It only occurred to me later that the line might refer > to a relative of the man's, or simply someone who's face reminded the singer > of her ex. > A passing observation... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:53:45 -0700 > From: "Helena Ruffin" > Subject: Green Flag Song Catalogs Still Available > > One of the many wonderful opportunities that came out of Joni's recent show > for me was a new friendship and working relationship with Lev Moross, Joni's > gallerist here in L.A. > While we were working on my portfolio yesterday, he mentioned he has several > signed and unsigned catalogs still available from her show. I thought some > of you might want to know this tidbit. If you're interested, you can email > Lev at the gallery for more information: lmoross@artterritory.com > > Helena > > NP: CSPAN Radio > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:17:08 +0000 > From: "Patti Parlette" > Subject: sjc? Parlette's Syndrome is Everywhere on this Marbled Bowling Ball! > > (sjc = silly, or some, Joni content) > > SoB, > > But it ain't me, babe, > No, no, no, it ain't me, babe, > It ain't me you're lookin' for, babe. > > Thanks for your confidence, baby, but it's Oddmund! *He* started it! He > asked if anyone had a problem with quoting Joni lyrics in love > relationships, and that opened the closet door for the rest of us. The > walls came tumbling down and we all went running free. It should be called > Kaarevik's Syndrome. Oh, okay. Compromise. Kaarevik-Parlette Syndrome, > maybe, since I did take it up just a *few* notches, I'll admit. Mea culpa. > > But I'm notches liberation, doll! LOL.... > > Although I really think JMOCD is probably the best term. All glory and > praise and honor to JM! > > SoB wrote: > > I am addicted to Gawker.com, which has some of the funniest writing on the > Internet -- even if they're often very unkind. Anyway, here's what they have > posted there now (their second Joni reference this week!): > > << This was such a magical week for comments, you guys. Seriously! (A > circle > jerk of hilarity amid the vituperation!) We sometimes found ourselves > laughing > so hard we cried. Laughing and crying, you know, it's the same release.>> > > Yay! That's great. Dontcha just love it? > > But we still have some work to do. We have to infiltrate CBS. Jerry, I > know you watch the CBS Sunday Morning Show. It started off well and good > enough with "Our House", but then they dropped the (marbled bowling) ball. > Did you see the piece on tombstones this morning? What a last chance lost! > They should have named it: "Granite Markers: Those tributes to finality to > eternity." > > The piece ended with the question (paraphrasing, can't remember exactly): > What do you want your tombstone to say? > > That got me to thinking. (Je pense, donc je suis.) Then it came to me, > Like lightening striking from above Electric flash: > > I've looked > at life > from > both sides > now. > > Funny day, looking for laughter and finding it here with "some of the > funniest writing on the > Internet" right here in Joni Land -- SoB, CoT, Suze and Jimmy's silly wiener > jokes, and you know..... > > Love, > > Patti P. > > P.S. This may be lame, but this wienerish joke from h.s. always made me > laugh. Charlie Brown was the in-thing in those days when we used to dance a > foot apart. (Sorry, Richard, I know you don't like Charlie Brown, but as > She says, "you can't please 'em all!", so please do forgive.) > > Charlie Brown was wearing a see-through bathing suit. > > Lucy came up to him and cried out: "Charlie BROWN!! I always KNEW you were > crazy, but now I can SEE your (you're) nuts!" > > Sophomore jive....sorry! > > _________________________________________________________________ > A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 00:39:05 -0400 > From: "Marianne Rizzo" > Subject: Shine hope > > IN honor of Joni Mitchell's upcoming album release (Shine) on September 25, > 2007, I would like to celebrate. . > > (everywhere there was song and celebration.) > > with every body joining in (underlined) > > to focus on the theme of hope. . . . > > and make a list of things that are hoped for. . things that you hope for. . > . things that you wish. . > > dream some dreams: > > for example, > hOPe ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ > We hope for the health of the planet and atmosphere to be restored, healed. > . . > > I hope that every creature has a fighting chance. . . for the dear > froggies, that they may find water. . > > for the coral reefs. . . > > for the fishes in the deep blue sea. . > > for the grass hoppers > > and each bird. . > > each graceful deer. . . every thing in the pond, in the sky, on the ground. > . > all beings. . our very hearts. > > I wish. . . > in honor of Ms. Mitchell. . > > > What is one or some things you hope for? > > Stating them can bring change. . . like a "prayer." > > evERYboDY joIN in > evERYboDY joIN in > > > > (and. . . how else can we celebrate?) > > > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > See what youre getting intobefore you go there > http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > ------------------------------ > > End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #237 > ********************************* > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- > Siquomb, isn't she? 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I hope to meet up with some of the same people and meet the new ones. A big hello from me Lori. _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live Hotmail, you can personalize your inbox with your favorite color. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0607 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:25:49 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: back after a long absence Lori Century Hi Lori, and welcome back. I remember you through the WONDERFUL recordings you contributed to the "A Tape Of You" project. Glad to see you back on board. Bob NP: Beck, "Farewell Ride" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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St. Vincent, "Marry Me" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get all the Hottest Artists on Your Cell Phone - Plus 10 Bonus Tones Today! Find Your New Ringtone at Lycos Mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:00:26 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: ironic...(njc) One Lori left and another Lori reappeared on the same day...what are the chances? Victor. weary of the hot Atlanta summer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:06:29 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: njc, 117 degrees in Baghdad and no water Right after the war, the US sent hundreds of people over there to rebuild bridges, electrical utilities, water treatment plants, and water purifying facilities. (And oil production derricks too.) The Iraqis blew up and maimed many Americans who tried to help. We found out double-quick that we had to hire Iraqis to do the rebuilding work. I think it takes a special kind of idiot to kill someone who's trying to fix a water purifying facility. On NPR last week, they interviewed several Iraqis, paid by the State Department, who bring humanitarian aid to their country. They must keep their jobs secret from their family and neighbors in order to be safe from "sectarian" (read: senseless) murder. The news I hear on NPR says that Iraqis are killing other Iraqis all day long, every day. NPR is not an ultra-conservative outlet. We went over there to STOP an oppressive force from brutalizing people. It's ironic that we are now being blamed for stuff like Iraqi-on-Iraqi atrocities. We are not the "bad guys". We are not ignoring their needs. We spending billions every month to bring to the Iraqis some semblance of a garden. Jim L. >According to reports, not enough electricity is available to run Baghdad's water pumps. This in a country with vast energy resources. Corporate media outletsto the extent they have reported this horrific and mind-boggling story at allhave treated it as a failure on the part of Iraqis. In reality, it is an appalling war crime committed by the occupying power, the U.S. military. It threatens the lives of tens of thousands of people in the short term and unthinkable numbers of people unless it is rectified immediately.> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:43:27 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: njc joni content Magdalene Laundries This is njc cuz not for joni onlies I don't think I belong to an email list where some guy has been constantly trashing me because I am clergy and trashing Christianity which God knows (no pun intended) can use some trashing now and again but this guy was really unfair and just bitter and nasty. And God and you all know I should be trashed but this guy was on my case just because of my faith and vocation. But I did note he was from Ireland and he made a passing comment about something that I understood only because I listen to Joni - he was raised in the Magdalene Laundries. So I emailed him and said hey, God knows you have suffered and I am outraged this happened to you or anyone. You may think I am scum because I am a Christian who works in the church and representatives of the Church did this to your mother and you but please know I cry for you. And I am playing Joni's song for you in your honor. (And of course I did play the song...) He sent me back the following reply - I share it with you after removing some identifying detail to share three things: 1. that Joni can help bridge all kinds of chasms and 2. we can ever learn much from Joni who opened us to things we never would know otherwise and 3. some background from people who lived what she wrote about. peace to all share the blessings of love - Vince Thank you. > > I'm not as hard as I make out to be on the forum and it took me a few > minutes to stop crying after reading your PM. > > I feel deeply for the injustices done in this country in the name of god > and religion. My own mother was badly abused and scarred for life by the > nuns and the damage done by them to her and to many many others has reached > down through several generations of Irish people. My mother has a baby girl > buried in the Little Angels site in Glasnevin Cemetery - a mass grave for > the dead babies of unmarried mothers who were in Church/State care. > > I have the Chieftains version of that song and it is a beautiful song. > > I had an older brother 'stolen' by the nuns whom I tracked down and I > myself was almost given away by them. In fact it might have been better if I > had been as my mother married pretty much the first man she could get so as > to 'legitimatise' herself so that she could have me back. He was a wife and > child beater. He turned out to be a manic depressive alcoholic with a > criminal record and a mental health record (he was given ECT after beating > up his sister) and that information was out there when they handed me over > to him. > > When I was born I was in a home for unmarried mothers with my mother. > While there she was made to work long hours and was verbally abused for > being stupid and dirty. They took me from my mother's arms when I was just > nine months old and wouldn't let her pick me up - she had to look at me > through a window. I'm sobbing so much now I have to stop typing. Then they > put me in an industrial school where she could only see me once a week. They > spent the next twenty years 'checking up' on her. > > I rage against that which hurt me and my mother so much and I know that my > experience doesn't mean that all Christians are bad. I went into > Christianity in the most radical way I could. While I was a born-again > Christian I was blameless in all my ways (IMO). I helped out in church, > visited prisoners and sick people, gave till it hurt, wept and prayed with > and for people - but it all gave me nothing in the end. God didn't heal me > or make me whole. I had to heal myself and make myself whole. No matter how > pious and worshipful and loving I was I still was fragmented and wounded and > no matter how many altar calls I responded to and no many how many people > laid hands on me I still went to bed at night crying. > > I didn't mean this to continue to be a rant but to show you that I have > been there, done that and it didn't work for me. Instead it did me more > damage. I am able to remember that while I was there I was sincere and > genuine as you are and I don't deny that you are - I just don't agree that > you need god or religion to be that kind of person. > > I hope I wasn't too harsh in my response as I didn't mean to be. Thank you > again for your very kind and loving PM. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #306 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------