From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #305 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 6 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 305 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- A Tribute To Joni Mitchell Album [jeannie ] NJC husker du [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Nu-Way Wieners NJC [Bob Muller ] NJC hello [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: NJC for the sake of discussion: "Through being cool" :-) [LCStanley7@] NJC daemon [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: njc, Happy Birthday, Barack! [LCStanley7@aol.com] Case of you [missblux@googlemail.com] Case of you again [missblux@googlemail.com] She had a mouth like yours [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: What's your daemon? njc [Garret ] Re: NJC daemon [Catherine McKay ] Re: forest fires njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Microsoft word help njc [Garret ] Re: Nu-Way Wieners NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: NJC hello ["Patti Parlette" ] Green Flag Song Catalogs Still Available ["Helena Ruffin" ] Re: Nu-Way Wieners NJC [Gary Z ] Re: njc, Happy Birthday, Barack! ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Microsoft word help njc [hell ] sjc? Parlette's Syndrome is Everywhere on this Marbled Bowling Ball! ["Pa] Re: Microsoft word help njc [Garret ] stuff NJC [Mags ] NJC - SICKO (long) ["Patti Parlette" ] In the NO TV Screen Light (NJC) [Gary Z ] ATTN STEVE DULSON NJC ["gene" ] Re: In the NO TV Screen Light (NJC) [Victor Johnson ] Re: NJC for the sake of discussion: "Through being cool" :-) ["Lori Fye" ] Subject: njc, 117 degrees in Baghdad and no water [Bruce Eggleston Subject: A Tribute To Joni Mitchell Album It seems to be sounding nicer and much sweeter as I relax to listen. I can actually listen to k.d. do, 'Help Me,' and enjoy it. It's a nice version, after all. Sounds of sweet freedom coming ms. lang through the hissing of summer lawns. "Very Impressive, " said Gibby, my son, to me, when he heard Prince do, 'A Case Of You.' He said, "It's just one of those CDs you have to listen to, Nen," and I finally did. It seems to be that when I hear a Joni re-make, I stand with such judgement of the moon and stars. jean - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:37:19 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC husker du Oddmund, I am way behind on digests so maybe someone already answered this question (I don't seem to have read the digest in whihc you ask).... I found the bext below, according to which they took the name from a Swedish board game. I'm sure though that they got to know the game in the US...! I wonder if the spelling with | was invented by the producers of the board game...? It's a pretty name I think BN http://www.geiger.dk/artikler/artikel.php?id=6 Lad os alligevel standse et kort xjeblik ved H|sker D|. Trioen der, da den startede sin karriere i marts 1979, tog sit navn efter et brftspil fra vores svenske broderland og - med lidt ekstra "Umlaut" - fik det til at tage sig tilpas eksotisk og anderledes ud. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 05:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Nu-Way Wieners NJC Well, he was actually named after his grandfather, Nathaniel. But a weiner was certainly involved in his conception anyway. And I'm a sucker for a hot dog - I love 'em. We've got a hot dog joint right around the corner that serves up some good ones. And of course, I can't watch the Greenville Drive play baseball without a cold beer and a red hot. Just don't try and put ketchup on my hot dog - no way. Mustard, onions, chile, slaw, all are fine. But ketchup belongs only on a burger. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Peg" - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:25:53 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC hello Uhm Hello, and enjoy the scarf. I'll pas on the greetings to everyone else here! Peace-Patti P. wrote >P.S. Holy merde! I just got ANOTHER gift! WTF, is it Christmas? Manuela >just gave me a beautiful woven scarf from Sweden. Hello, Marion!!!!!! And >your neighbors in Scandinavia, too -- Doktor Bene, Herr Doktor Oddmund, and >you know... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:59:20 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC for the sake of discussion: "Through being cool" :-) The other queen wrote: > Loooooriiiii Hey hunny!!!! > > Reading your post (copied below), here in a strangely sunny England... I > wondered if you were hinting about an inner circle on the list? > > Is that where the coolest people hang out? > > What is the website address, or are you on the outside too?........ > Hi Lu Lu, Shhhhhh! it's: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com To learn the inner circle dance be sure to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS3hEuAbuLE Love, A cog in something turning ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:54:39 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC daemon NJC!!! Catherine: My daemon (why is it daemon with ae and how is that different from demon with only an e and yet pronounced the same way?) is... Me.... It was Greek daimon, the Romans borrowed it and spelled it daemon. But in the Middle ages the diphthong (i.e. combination of two sounds, a and e) AE came to be pronounced as a monophthong, e. Same thing with Caesar: it was Greek kaisar, became caesar in Latin, but in the middle ages came to be pronounced as Cesar. I think how it is spelled in English depends on whether it was taken over from Latin, such as Caesar or faeces, or from some Romance language, usually French, such as presumably demon, or celestial from Latin caelestis. Are you talking about mailer daemons? I don't know if this is an acronym or they just wanted to stay closer to the Latin source, perhaps to indicate that this is not a demon in the sense 'little devil' or something. Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:05:19 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Happy Birthday, Barack! A voice from the Ohio darkness wrote: > If Hillary Clinton does get the Democratic spot, I'd vote for her. > - -M > Hi M, Thanks for the glimmer of hope. After traveling through Ohio wearing my Hillary for President t-shirt, I thought I was in Obyeo. Love, L ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:12:51 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Case of you Hi Bruce, I read your interpretation of A Case of You sometime last week and wanted to tell you that I really liked it. Funny how many of us have stumbled over that line, I could drink a case of you... and funny how, although this is one of my favourite songs and I have attached a lot of significance to just that line, I have still been wondering about the other verses. You deserve a degree here for that interpretation of yours! As far as the woman with 'a mouth like yours', I will have to think about your interpretation. I always thought of it as just some similarity in the shape of the mouth and the way she holds her lips or pulls a smile, some of those little things in other people that make them resemble each other, not because they are related, but because of a similar attitude. When you are taken in with someone, these things can sometimes make a intriguing impression when you meet them in others. That's all from me! Bene Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:32:06 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: Wholy holy? Dear Gordon, Thank you for picking up on that, but in truth the presumed Catholic imagery did come strictly from the lyrics, not from any import of theology in my life. I'm as agnostic as one can be, having dropped out of the Mormon or LDS (I'm a native of Salt Lake City, Utah) Church at the tender age of 15 years. I don't attribute Catholicism to Ms. Mitchell either, but I do think there are sins of commission in that regard in her divine lyrics. The "devil and the deeds", "be[ing] prepared to bleed", and "in my blood you're my holy wine" are entirely suggestive of religious/ Christian imagery and lore. It is a stretch to invoke the Saintly Mother, but the phrase "She had a mouth like yours" does say female relative. The meeting of this female relative always had a hint of the mysterious, as it is not like meeting the parents at a bar-be-que of hog but and beer. A mother who raised such a first tier cad as the subject of the of the song would have to possess saint-like qualities to survive such a whelping. As such, a saint-like mysterious mother is not wholly out of context. But I pick nits. "I met a woman, She had a mouth like yours She knew your life She knew your devils and your deeds And she said, Color go to him, stay with him if you can, Oh but be prepared to bleed, Oh, but you are in my blood you're my holy wine." Gordon, thank you, I truly appreciate the dialog That is what I love about this benighted and holy sanctuary of Jonism, our spirited teacher and muse of the broken-hearted. Bonneville Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:19:48 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Case of you again Hi Gordon, and Burce, yes, I forgot that: I thought about 'a mouth like yours in that way too: that she talks like him! But it has to be said that the religious imagery always seemed very important to me in this song, that is why I relate it to 'Love' on Travelogue. We had a long discussion about religion and love some time ago. I get the same feeling from Nick Cave's Into My Arms as I do from these two songs. Why oh why is Into My Arms so difficult to play on the guitar?? Bene From: Gordon Mackie : Anyway, the line 'I met a woman, she had a mouth like yours' does not make me think of a literal 'mouth'. I always thought it was a poetic use of language meaning she 'spoke' like you, had a similar accent or phrased sentences the same way. And whilst I'm on a roll, I suppose having a physical mouth like someone could be purely co-incidental and not necessarily implying of a relative at all. I agree though with (Mc) Bruce that Joni does use a fair bit of catholic imagery here (or maybe, in dour Scotland it's more accurate to state non-reformation Christian imagery). Have as peaceful a weekend as is possible everyone Gordon (in dull, dour Glasgow) Bah humbug! (whatever that literally means) A Mouth Like Yours (Hardcover) by Daniel Duane "I really do think I'm better off, both for having lost Joani Artois and for having loved her in the first place..." Key Phrases: New York, San Francisco, Joan Artois This took the thunder off my face ! See more on Amazon....does this count as a Joni in literature reference?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:23:48 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: She had a mouth like yours Yes, Michel - she would be someone who had been going through the same kind of trouble as the lover, so she would what kind of trouble a potential lover was up for. I thought about that too. Bene Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:52:58 +0000 From: "Michel BYRNE" Subject: She had a mouth like yours I've always instinctively understood that line as meaning the woman was as garrulous or as prone to swearing as the singer's lover, in the sense of a woman who would be/may well have have been a match for the man, as a former or potential lover. It only occurred to me later that the line might refer to a relative of the man's, or simply someone who's face reminded the singer of her ex. A passing observation... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:39:08 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: What's your daemon? njc Hey Lucy, I love the Potter books, especially after the first two. As i said, i have not read the final one just yet. Have you read Tanglewreck by Jeanette Winterson? Talk about liberal borrowing, lol. As i read through it i was struck by what i thought were very obvious echoes of Dark Materials. I have a friend who disagrees but i really felt like i knew what was going to happen next at a lot of points. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:58:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC daemon - --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Catherine: > > why is it daemon with ae and how is that > different from demon with only an e and yet > pronounced > the same way? > Me.... > It was Greek daimon, the Romans borrowed it and > spelled it daemon. But > in the Middle ages the diphthong (i.e. combination > of two sounds, a > and e) AE came to be pronounced as a monophthong, e. > Same thing with > Caesar: it was Greek kaisar, became caesar in Latin, > but in the middle > ages came to be pronounced as Cesar. I think how it > is spelled in > English depends on whether it was taken over from > Latin, such as > Caesar or faeces, or from some Romance language, > usually French, such > as presumably demon, or celestial from Latin > caelestis. One of the things I love about the jmdl is that you can ask a question and there is always someone who can answer it - and often someone who knows what they're talking about. Thank you, Bene - it makes sense now! > Are you talking about mailer daemons? I don't know > if this is an > acronym or they just wanted to stay closer to the > Latin source, > perhaps to indicate that this is not a demon in the > sense 'little > devil' or something. In this case, I was talking about the daemons in "The Golden Compass" who are supposed to be animal representations of your soul(or something along those lines.) I haven't read the books, but visited the website to check out who my "daemon" might be. It turned out to be a black crow. I do plan to read the books because so many people seem to have enjoyed them. For the mailer daemon, I went to google and asked, "What is a daemon" and in computer lingo it is an acronym :-( Boo! Hiss! Here's a nice succinct definition: :Daemon stands for Disk and Execution Monitor. A daemon is a long-running background process that answers requests for services." http://kb.iu.edu/data/aiau.html Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:57:08 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: forest fires njc Kate, I had you and Santa Ynez on my mind with these wildfires. I heard it on the news yesterday. Ugh. My thoughts are with you and Jeff and your community. It's so beautiful. I pray nothing touches it! I had such a wonderful visit with you and I can still see the vineyards and horses whenever I close my eyes. Here's hoping that nothing is singed or burned there. love, Sherelle Kate wrote: Yup, we've got a big one here too burning up the backcountry since july 4- yesterday the eastern sky was black as night, last night the eastern ridge was in flames & some of the mountain communities were evacuated. _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Cafi  open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:59:50 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Microsoft word help njc Hi guys, I hope someone can help... I have a microsoft word document (well, i have five of them, between 20 and 30 pages of text each). I want to put in numbers so every line is numbered, not every paragraph. Is this possible? i feel it must be, but i just can't figure out how to do it. I want to be able to say "if you look at line 98.." etc and refer people to specific points in each document. I don't know if i am explaining this well at all, but maybe someone will have an idea. thanks for your help GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:05:20 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Nu-Way Wieners NJC > Just don't try and put ketchup on my hot dog - no way. Mustard, onions, > chile, slaw, all are fine. But ketchup belongs only on a burger. > It's funny that you mention that, Bob. In the documentary, there were places that wouldn't dare serve ketchup for the dogs. Also they mentioned that the east coast people tend to put the basics on their hot dogs, while the west coast people build a salad on top of theirs. LOL Jimmy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:16:52 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: NJC hello Well, good morning Scandinavia, and the rest of the Joni world! What a nice message to start the day. We'll rise up early, with the sun To ride the bus while everyone is yawning And the day is young In morning Joni-town Bus, bus, magic Joni bus. Now I will enjoy the scarf even more, blessed by Scandinavian (friend of) spirit. It is hand-woven, the color of the sand and the....nah -- just the sand. No sea! Inspired by the voyage of the Muller-Kaarevik iPod (our odd odd boy wrote: "achieving this precious gift from Mr.Muller has opened a new world for me" - -- this story warms the cockles of my JMOCDed heart, which grew three sizes this day -- again!), now I'm thinking I'd like to send you, Bene, the scarf so you can wear it a few days, and then send it to Marion, and then to Oddmund, and then to Karen-Marie, and any other Scandinavian listers. And then back to me. "We can get a scarf, and we can wear it, if you ever get the notion, to be needed by me." Then every time I wear it, I can pick up your scent when I finger it. Holy mackerel. Or should I say "holy fresh salmon frying!" Maybe mean ole Boopsie is right. I've crossed the black road double yellow line from passion to obsession. Nah. It's *JM*OCD, so that's okay. My analyst told me. It's a Chelsea morning here in New England, with a blue blue sky. I'm like a peace dove flying, in a blue blue sky. I'm going to go pick up every shiny thing. May you all do the same. Unless, of course, you don't like shiny. Chacun a son gout = "Play what you want!" (French to Joni translation.) But the only thing I have to give To make you smile, to win you with Are all the mornings still to live In morning Morgantown Morning any town you name, morning's just the same in Joni Town! Love, Patti P. >From: missblux@googlemail.com >To: "Joni LIST" , loveuconn@hotmail.com >Subject: NJC hello >Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:25:53 +0200 > >Uhm Hello, and enjoy the scarf. I'll pas on the greetings to everyone else >here! > >Peace-Patti P. wrote > > >P.S. Holy merde! I just got ANOTHER gift! WTF, is it Christmas? >Manuela > >just gave me a beautiful woven scarf from Sweden. Hello, Marion!!!!!! >And > >your neighbors in Scandinavia, too -- Doktor Bene, Herr Doktor Oddmund, >and > >you know... _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:53:45 -0700 From: "Helena Ruffin" Subject: Green Flag Song Catalogs Still Available One of the many wonderful opportunities that came out of Joni's recent show for me was a new friendship and working relationship with Lev Moross, Joni's gallerist here in L.A. While we were working on my portfolio yesterday, he mentioned he has several signed and unsigned catalogs still available from her show. I thought some of you might want to know this tidbit. If you're interested, you can email Lev at the gallery for more information: lmoross@artterritory.com Helena NP: CSPAN Radio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:25:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Nu-Way Wieners NJC - --- Muller wrote: > And I'm a sucker for a hot dog Me, too! I just can't get enough! XO, - --SoB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:43:34 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Nu-Way Wieners NJC I saw that show Jimmy. It was a good one. PBS does a nice series of those kinds of shows. I particularly liked the one they did on Pennsylvania Diners. Made me want to get in a car and just drive around and see places like that! Best, Gary Z. FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >>Just don't try and put ketchup on my hot dog - no way. Mustard, onions, >>chile, slaw, all are fine. But ketchup belongs only on a burger. >> >> >> > >It's funny that you mention that, Bob. In the documentary, there were places >that wouldn't dare serve ketchup for the dogs. Also they mentioned that the >east coast people tend to put the basics on their hot dogs, while the west >coast people build a salad on top of theirs. LOL > >Jimmy > > >************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new >AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:08:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: njc, Happy Birthday, Barack! If you forget Barack's birthday it could be called an 'Obama' nation. Happy Sunday. Suze - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get all the Hottest Artists on Your Cell Phone - Plus 10 Bonus Tones Today! Find Your New Ringtone at Lycos Mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:05:13 -0700 (PDT) From: hell Subject: Re: Microsoft word help njc Garret wrote: >Hi guys, >I hope someone can help... > >I have a microsoft word document (well, i have five of them, between >20 and 30 pages of text each). I want to put in numbers so every line >is numbered, not every paragraph. Is this possible? i feel it must >be, but i just can't figure out how to do it. I want to be able to >say "if you look at line 98.." etc and refer people to specific points >in each document. I don't know if i am explaining this well at all, >but maybe someone will have an idea. >thanks for your help >GARRET Hi Garret It's not too difficult. Go to Page Setup, and open the Layout tab. Select Whole Document to apply the numbering, then click the Line Numbers button. Check the Add Line Numbering checkbox then you can then decide whether you want to reset the numbering back to 1 on each page, or have it continuous. The numbers will only be displayed when you have View -> Print Layout selected, or on Print Preview. I hope this helps! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:17:08 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: sjc? Parlette's Syndrome is Everywhere on this Marbled Bowling Ball! (sjc = silly, or some, Joni content) SoB, But it ain't me, babe, No, no, no, it ain't me, babe, It ain't me you're lookin' for, babe. Thanks for your confidence, baby, but it's Oddmund! *He* started it! He asked if anyone had a problem with quoting Joni lyrics in love relationships, and that opened the closet door for the rest of us. The walls came tumbling down and we all went running free. It should be called Kaarevik's Syndrome. Oh, okay. Compromise. Kaarevik-Parlette Syndrome, maybe, since I did take it up just a *few* notches, I'll admit. Mea culpa. But I'm notches liberation, doll! LOL.... Although I really think JMOCD is probably the best term. All glory and praise and honor to JM! SoB wrote: I am addicted to Gawker.com, which has some of the funniest writing on the Internet -- even if they're often very unkind. Anyway, here's what they have posted there now (their second Joni reference this week!): << This was such a magical week for comments, you guys. Seriously! (A circle jerk of hilarity amid the vituperation!) We sometimes found ourselves laughing so hard we cried. Laughing and crying, you know, it's the same release.>> Yay! That's great. Dontcha just love it? But we still have some work to do. We have to infiltrate CBS. Jerry, I know you watch the CBS Sunday Morning Show. It started off well and good enough with "Our House", but then they dropped the (marbled bowling) ball. Did you see the piece on tombstones this morning? What a last chance lost! They should have named it: "Granite Markers: Those tributes to finality to eternity." The piece ended with the question (paraphrasing, can't remember exactly): What do you want your tombstone to say? That got me to thinking. (Je pense, donc je suis.) Then it came to me, Like lightening striking from above Electric flash: I've looked at life from both sides now. Funny day, looking for laughter and finding it here with "some of the funniest writing on the Internet" right here in Joni Land -- SoB, CoT, Suze and Jimmy's silly wiener jokes, and you know..... Love, Patti P. P.S. This may be lame, but this wienerish joke from h.s. always made me laugh. Charlie Brown was the in-thing in those days when we used to dance a foot apart. (Sorry, Richard, I know you don't like Charlie Brown, but as She says, "you can't please 'em all!", so please do forgive.) Charlie Brown was wearing a see-through bathing suit. Lucy came up to him and cried out: "Charlie BROWN!! I always KNEW you were crazy, but now I can SEE your (you're) nuts!" Sophomore jive....sorry! _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:47:17 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Microsoft word help njc Hell - thank you so much. You can't imagine how frustrated i was! That will make my life so much easier with this piece of research. Thank you. That must have been the only option i did not check. GARRET On 8/5/07, hell wrote: > > Hi Garret > > It's not too difficult. Go to Page Setup, and open the Layout tab. Select > Whole Document to apply the numbering, then click the Line Numbers button. > Check the Add Line Numbering checkbox then you can then decide whether you > want to reset the numbering back to 1 on each page, or have it continuous. > > The numbers will only be displayed when you have View -> Print Layout > selected, or on Print Preview. > > I hope this helps! > > Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:17:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: stuff NJC I guess I'm not computer saavy enough to get all the little bits and bytes on the inside of my post so yall know who I am making reference to....blah ... anyway! re: Lindsay's mention of the new Crowded House CD, Ive hear some of the songs on their space and it's great. They will be in concert here in Winnipeg in September. I have tickets! (nice little gift that ;-) re: Phillip Pullman's His Dark Materials . Lucy, in Canader, the first book is called The Golden Compass. Interesting. Did you or anyone else in the UK happen to see the performance of His Dark Materials? We saw clips of it at the Children's Literature Conference a few summers ago (hi Richard Flynn) and it looked brilliant. Was magical and beautifully done. It ran for two summers I think. re: Jimmy and his silly hot dogs. See? you can't leave the dog subject alone now can you? :PPPP (IM joining in on the silly wagon, laughing it all away :P I have never been able to eat hot dogs but more power to you for finding something yummy to eat ;-) re: heat around the world. It's been extraordinarily hot here this summer. We had three weeks, roughly, of crazy heat. One day, in the town of Carmen, south of here, it was 53C. In Winnipeg, on same said day, it was 47C, Im glad to see that Lucy has fnally discovered most of the requirements for the innie circle :PPPPPP all kidding aside, Loori, I know what you mean. One time when this subject rose, Les Irvin, list wizard said that we are all in the innie circle , so Im aiming for that ;-) I am thrilled to bits that Joni and Herbie have CD releases on the same day. I know it might be silly to mention this, but I saw Herbie here in town a few weeks ago. It was in a hotel lobby, and I walked past him, and my friend said, hey that's Herbie, and I did a complete spin and couldnt even speak. Im sure I'd be that way with Joan too. Im a stronger writer than speaker, perhaps I could write her a note in advance. Mags, with a seat on Jimmy and ZZ's silly train. - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:35:54 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: NJC - SICKO (long) Thanks for the recommendation, Suze and Jerry. I will see it soon, although I'm a little afraid to get all pumped up about this subject, since I'm *already* ready for a sterilized room because of the never-ending war and the release of SHINE! (Both sides now.) I came across this story today, written by a clinical professor of medicine at UConn. It should interest you in particular, Suze, since you deal with insurers and telephone screamers. Patient Turns to Doc After Insurance Runaround: http://www.courant.com/features/lifestyle/hc-drkeating0805.artaug05,0,5554742.story Feeling real good, thankfully, Patti P. I thought the movie was wonderful. I took my parents who wanted to see it. My mother just spent a year fighting bladder cancer. It was so moving that in certain points people were cheering. The sad truth is 99% of the audience were older who have had to battle insurance companies for years. The young people who need to be aware were all next door watching Harry Potter. Jerry >I don't recall a thread on the movie SICKO, and I won't give any spoilers >but since we have a global represenation on the JMDL I thought this might >be an interesting topic. > >To give you a bit of perspective on me, I used to hold a license to sell >health and life insurance. I worked briefly for a company that sold long >term care and life insurance policies. It was not a good fit for me, and >I segued into insurance work for the teacher's union in Michigan(i am a >former educator), and now am an executive director for the Wisconsin >Education Association Council. > >My unique perspective on this is that I, and my fellow colleagues and >education professionals in both Michigan and Wisconsin, are very >fortunate. We have insurance through our respective WEAC and MEA unions, >which serve to take care of us, not to deny claims. > >A part of this wonderful benefit is that the insurance is costly. Yes, >our company goes the extra mile to pay, not to deny, so rates >occasionally spike due to useage. Tax payers complain about the high cost >of teacher's insurance, etc. They complain that we (I speak as a part of >the group that has the insurance) have the 'Cadillac' of insurances, and >why don't we have to pay more, etc. > >In the insurance world, the only way to have the rates go down, is to >lessen the benefits, or shift the cost. That is what the Kaiser >Permanente deal did back in Nixon's reign by creating the HMO (health >maintenance organization). This allowed the insurance companies to create >long lists of pre-exsisting conditions and reasons for denying claims, >which increased profits. > >I am very interested in learning how our listers deal with what in the US >I believe is a health insurance crisis. Catherine has perspective on the >Canadian system, working for the ministry of health in Ontario. A part of >SICKO documented how urban residents of Detroit cross the river and seek >treatment, illegally, at clinics in Windsor, Ontario. How very sad, to >have to break the law to get health care. > >Each day I deal with bargaining issues that revolve around the high cost >of our insurance, rather than understanding the big picture, which in my >opinion is making a profit out of people's illnesses. I really liked >seeing how other countries work their 'socialized medicine' as the >Republicans here call it. > >Here in Wisconsin we are trying to tackle the issue with 'Healthy >Wisconsin'. Healthy Wisconsin would significantly lower health care costs >by creating a statewide catastrophic reinsurance program in our state to >offset the high cost of health care for individuals who suffer serious >illness or injury. By taking on some of the risk, insurers will face more >predictable costs and they would feel less need to build high reserves, >and these savings could be passed on to consumers in lower premiums. >There are also administrative savings that would further reduce costs for >health insurance. > >New York has a similar program that insures more than 100,000 workers. >Launched in 2001, Healthy New York has reduced premiums by 50 percent for >individuals and 30 percent for small businesses. Twenty other states >around the country operate some kind of reinsurance pool, in addition to >the model in New York. > >Vermont has a plan in the works, I believe Massachusets does, and I know >that the Govinator in California has made it a goal. > >I am curious if you are a US resident if there have been issues at your >work or with your coverage, and if you live in a more passionate nation >(anywhere but the US!) how your health care runs. > >Cheers, > >Suze _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:12:04 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: In the NO TV Screen Light (NJC) Well kids, it's finally happened. My television manufactured in 1984 has finally died on me. It's time to get a new one, but the one I have, actually was purchased by my parents when they were still alive, so I don't have a clue what to buy. This list has so many people on it with excellent knowledge and resources that I thought I'd turn to you first. Here is what I'd like: A television that will last me a good number of years. I'd like a larger size flat screen that won't cost me thousands of dollars, but I do know that certain types are better than others, and last longer than others. Any recommendations? I want it to be easy to hook up without a rocket scientist being present. I'm not real good at tekkie stuff, and am still learning how to copy individual tracks from records to CD! I want to be sure I can watch Joni on T.V. when "Shine" is released!!! :-) I have faith that she'll be doing some television interviews! Any help would be so much appreciated! Thanks so much! Gary Z. Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:49:23 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: ATTN STEVE DULSON NJC hello steve, i'm considering going to the folk alliance conference at vancouver, washington this year. I plan to go as an observer and not a participant-----do i still have to register or can i just buy general admission tickets at the event? if any of you know steve's email, could you please be so kind as to forward this to him. thanks, gene ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:07:06 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: In the NO TV Screen Light (NJC) On Aug 5, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Gary Z wrote: > > A television that will last me a good number of years. > I'd like a larger size flat screen that won't cost me thousands of > dollars, but I do know that certain types are better than others, and > last longer than others. Any recommendations? > I want it to be easy to hook up without a rocket scientist being > present. I'm not real good at tekkie stuff, and am still learning how > to copy individual tracks from records to CD! I went to get a new television back in February and after checking out several, ended up getting a 32" Hewlett Packard LCD television. The picture quality is excellent, the hookup was easy, and being an LCD it's very thin and doesn't take up a genormous amount of space. The size is good because its large but not too large and blends in well with the room. I have it on a stand but it can also be mounted on the wall. And I believe it was under $1000. You don't see a lot of commercials from HP about tv's but it was definitely an amazing find. Victor NP: Sunday night baseball on ESPN ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 16:24:36 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: In the NO TV Screen Light (NJC) One thing I would look at is whether the TV can be repaired. I had a color TV less than 10 years old that was kind of expensive, and when it blew I took it to a TV repairman and he told me most TV's can't be fixed. He did say Panasonics were fixable- I ended up getting one. I have better luck with Panasonic electronics than any other brand over the years. JVC would be my next fave by brand. I would personally avoid Sony and RCA because of their 'planned obsolescence' philosophies. If you want a flat screen, you have a choice of LCD or plasma. There are still CRT (picture tube) types available, and they are the cheapest. I suggest going to Circuit City or some place like that to look at the different types of TVs to see what looks best to you. One of the issues in these types of TVs is how they handle black.This continues to improve but different makes and models differ in how they handle it. Also LCD TVs may not have as wide a viewing angle, that is, when you are standing to the side, it might not be so viewable. Finally, HDTV, 1080p compatible....so they will be able to handle the new generation of blu-ray discs or whatever. Check out Cnet's buying guide: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-7608_7-1016109-1.html?tag=dir You can cruise circuitcity.com or amazon to get prices and compare. Google 'rated' or 'reviews' or 'best' + LCD, HDTV or 'flatscreen' to get lists of ratings by consumer publications etc. Lastly, you can just go into a big box store and buy a TV, and accept that about 10 minutes after the warranty expires, it will, too. RR > Well kids, it's finally happened. My television manufactured in 1984 > has finally died on me. > It's time to get a new one, but the one I have, actually was purchased > by my parents when they were still alive, so I don't have a clue what to > buy. This list has so many people on it with excellent knowledge and > resources that I thought I'd turn to you first. Here is what I'd like: > > A television that will last me a good number of years. > I'd like a larger size flat screen that won't cost me thousands of > dollars, but I do know that certain types are better than others, and > last longer than others. Any recommendations? > I want it to be easy to hook up without a rocket scientist being > present. I'm not real good at tekkie stuff, and am still learning how > to copy individual tracks from records to CD! > > I want to be sure I can watch Joni on T.V. when "Shine" is released!!! > :-) I have faith that she'll be doing some television interviews! > > Any help would be so much appreciated! > > Thanks so much! > > Gary Z. > Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 00:39:05 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Shine hope IN honor of Joni Mitchell's upcoming album release (Shine) on September 25, 2007, I would like to celebrate. . (everywhere there was song and celebration.) with every body joining in (underlined) to focus on the theme of hope. . . . and make a list of things that are hoped for. . things that you hope for. . . things that you wish. . dream some dreams: for example, hOPe ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ We hope for the health of the planet and atmosphere to be restored, healed. . . I hope that every creature has a fighting chance. . . for the dear froggies, that they may find water. . for the coral reefs. . . for the fishes in the deep blue sea. . for the grass hoppers and each bird. . each graceful deer. . . every thing in the pond, in the sky, on the ground. . all beings. . our very hearts. I wish. . . in honor of Ms. Mitchell. . What is one or some things you hope for? Stating them can bring change. . . like a "prayer." evERYboDY joIN in evERYboDY joIN in (and. . . how else can we celebrate?) Marianne _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting intobefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:54:52 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC for the sake of discussion: "Through being cool" :-) > I wondered if you were hinting about an inner circle on the list? Moi? Nah. Really. : ) I chuckled through your post and enjoyed it. Just the same, I'll say that the "cool" vs. "uncool" that I was talking about is rather apart from the "Inner Circle." No matter. "We just come from such different sets of circumstance." (Joni just sang that on my TV, as I'm watching "The Last Waltz" for the first time in probably 28 years. Good stuff!) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 23:31:14 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Subject: njc, 117 degrees in Baghdad and no water Oh, Ma Demoiselle Parlette, Thanks for your postings on the war crimes in Iraq and what it means to be a person of peace. I believe that this peace-seeking frame of mind is necessary to give peace a chance. "There are those amongst us to whom life is but a joke", because "it is just words". That is the disenfranchised refusing to participate in their own fate, because it is just words. I would reply to those that it is only words that can free us from this tyranny of apathy and disenfranchisement. It is just words that we claim to be defending when we speak of freedom, life, love and the pursuit of happiness. I know it is difficult to assign a cause to an effect when the cause is just words, but the effect can be seen throughout history where communities or nations focus around those words to launch some new (i)deal. Peace must start with words in order to focus a community of like- minded individuals to that cause and state of being. Then action will follow the words and ideas. There is no other way for peace to come about, really. "What's wrong with Love Peace and Understanding?" Elvis C. Bonneville Bruce NP Blues Guitar lesson CD by Greg Koch ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #305 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------