From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #302 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, August 3 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 302 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Husker Du ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] La Bocca della Verita bites back [Gordon Mackie ] Re: NJC Dueling YouTubes [Gary Z ] Re: NJC Dueling YouTubes [Catherine McKay ] Number One ["Michel BYRNE" ] She had a mouth like yours ["Michel BYRNE" ] Re: NJC Dueling YouTubes [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Dueling YouTubes [Bob Muller ] Some great news!!!!!! (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Stevie Wonder tour dates (njc) [Victor Johnson ] JENNY! - njc ["Suze Cameron" ] Here's something that everyone can laugh at njc [Kerry ] [RE]Stevie Wonder tour dates (njc) ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Here's something that everyone can laugh at, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: world clock, njc ["gene" ] Here's something that everyone can laugh at ["Patti Parlette" ] Here's something that everyone can laugh at, now NJC ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: NJC Starbucks ["Patti Parlette" ] joni & cohen ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: NJC - SICKO (long) [Jerry Notaro ] Parlette's Syndrome is Everywhere on this Marbled Bowling Ball! [Smurf ] Re: njc, Hitler and cockfights and dogfights ["Randy Remote" ] NJC - Here, this is kinda timely ... ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Stalking Starbucks ["Sherelle Smith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:10:53 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Re: NJC Husker Du Funny though! There are loads of people in Minesota and Mineapolis with norwegian roots. I think that state togeter whith north and south Dakota is the ones where most nordic/norwegian people ended up. So it might be a mix between norwegian roots and that "boqard game" Hmmm. I think most norwegians would have a thrill learning that there is an american board game, with a norwegain name. Thanks for all the info provided. And thanks to Gary to for providing me with the link to the game ... ! Oddmund On 8/3/07, Wtking59@cs.com wrote: > HEY, Oddmund > > > In answer to your question: While I already knew the translation of "Husker > Du" (as "do you remember"), I'm not too sure about why they chose that > particular name. My best guess is that it came from the old, American (?) > kids "board-game" (think 'Monopoly'), which is also called 'Husker Du' and > remains quite popular. > > Anyone know for certain? > > I believe that all three band members (Bob Mould, Grant Hart, and Greg > Norton) were born and raised in Minneapolis, MN. (USA), but perhaps one of > them actually had roots in Norway. I really have no idea. > > Formed in the late 1970's/early 1980's, they were an important--and highly > influential--part of the hardcore/indie scene until they disbanded in 1987 > at the very height of their career (due to the obligatory "personal and > artistic differences"). Rumors persist that Hart had an increasing problem > with drugs. > > Alternating singers Mould (on guitar) and Hart (on drums) were the main > songwriters, while Norton mostly just played bass. > > > XXXOOO, > Billy > > NP: 'Body of Song' (2005) by Bob Mould > > ===================================== > Oddmund (okaarevik@gmail.com) wrote: > > >>> Im not at my home computer for the time being so Im not able to listen > to the covers right now, but Im kind of curios ablut this band since their > name is norwegain. Husker du reads "Do you remember" was the name of a > famous norwegian enertainment programm back in the good old days. Any ideas > why this band has chosen that name....? <<< > > Oddmund - Tromsoe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:03:12 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: La Bocca della Verita bites back Hi all I'm always running behind the time on this list - a direct result of skimming, so please forgive if I later state what is to some, old ground. Thanks to Donald the Bruce for his kind and eloquent reply to my nit picking. Now that is what I like about this list - a community that debates but does not take personally .....though sometimes...lol. Anyway, the line 'I met a woman, she had a mouth like yours' does not make me think of a literal 'mouth'. I always thought it was a poetic use of language meaning she 'spoke' like you, had a similar accent or phrased sentences the same way. And whilst I'm on a roll, I suppose having a physical mouth like someone could be purely co-incidental and not necessarily implying of a relative at all. I agree though with (Mc) Bruce that Joni does use a fair bit of catholic imagery here (or maybe, in dour Scotland it's more accurate to state non-reformation Christian imagery). Have as peaceful a weekend as is possible everyone Gordon (in dull, dour Glasgow) Bah humbug! (whatever that literally means) A Mouth Like Yours (Hardcover) by Daniel Duane "I really do think I'm better off, both for having lost Joani Artois and for having loved her in the first place..." Key Phrases: New York, San Francisco, Joan Artois This took the thunder off my face ! See more on Amazon....does this count as a Joni in literature reference?? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:03:12 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Shine sampler Hi Mark, I'm taking a long time to respond to digests at the moment - I wanted to say thanks for the sampler a long time ago! These songs sound good to me - I like the lively version of BYT. From the Ghost interviews I didn't really get any impression of the new music. I'm opmitmistic now! But I have to say that I don't hear that her voice has recovered to its previous strength. I love her mature voice, so I don't consider it a loss. I just wonder why they are saying that she has recovered... Bene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:26:17 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC sports section Hey, since we have a football thread going at the moment.... I haven't been interested in watching football since Denmark won the European championship some time in the nineties, but today I'm going to attend the homeless world cup. It's the weirdest event that has been running all week at the Copenhagen Town Hall Square. 48 teams of homeless people from all over the world are participating. Kirgyzstan is the only country to be represented by an all-female team; but they had to borrow two players from Denmark, as they did not have enough themselves. I don't know, I find it really cool... I think they don't do any tests for doping though... Bene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 04:32:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Dueling YouTubes Had not seen that one, Gary - funny stuff. I like Stevie too (up to Belladonna, and then it all was crap) but Mrs. SCJoniguy hates her worse than Joni. In a similar vein, here's one that's similar (incoherent lyrics) and funny too. Just what the hell is Eddie Vedder singing about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLd22ha_-VU Bob - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 07:59:19 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: NJC Dueling YouTubes That's too funny, Bob. I don't know Pearl Jam's music at all - but I actually liked the song, though of course I didn't understand a word (the real ones) either. You Tube is so cool - I keep finding things I didn't know existed. Here is one for Carly Simon fans, where she gives us a piano lesson and sings a bit of "You're So Vain." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xSnpeBcX-M Wouldn't it be cool if we could find one of these with Joni? By the way, thanks so much for No. 91 - also my apologies to the list for not tagging my previous reply post NJC - mea culpa; pushed the button too fast, I realized it just after it was sent; and then I never know if I should take up bandwidth to send another message to apologize or if that just makes things worse! Have a great weekend everyone! Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit Bob Muller wrote: > > > Had not seen that one, Gary - funny stuff. I like Stevie too (up to > Belladonna, and then it all was crap) but Mrs. SCJoniguy hates her > worse than Joni. > > In a similar vein, here's one that's similar (incoherent lyrics) and > funny too. Just what the hell is Eddie Vedder singing about? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLd22ha_-VU > > Bob > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Pinpoint customers > who > are looking for what you sell. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:30:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Dueling YouTubes - --- Bob Muller wrote: > In a similar vein, here's one that's similar > (incoherent lyrics) and funny too. Just what the > hell is Eddie Vedder singing about? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLd22ha_-VU > > Bob > Wow. Good for MisheardLyricsGuy for picking up any real words for that! Nice music, but... I had to try to find out what the "real" lyrics were. I found this at Wikipedia: "The song's name is derived from the actual name of an old friend of lead singer Eddie Vedder from Chicago, named Tim Ledbetter.[1] The lyrics of "Yellow Ledbetter" have proven undecipherable when heard live and even on the early recorded version, as Eddie Vedder mumbles through much of the song with only certain parts being heard prominently, such as the infamous line "I said, I dont know whether I was the boxer or the bag", with these parts of the song heard on almost every live rendition of the song. There are many unofficial lyrics on various websites. It is because of the freeform nature of this song that allows Pearl Jam to easily improvise the song and change it around as they see fit when performing it live. During performances, McCready often lengthens the outro and the guitar solo and Vedder almost always changes the lyrics around, sticking with the same rhythm as the original recording. "Many fans have argued about the meaning of this song contained in the lyrics and have even questioned the existence of a central theme (although, one common theory is about someone receiving a letter and finding his brother had died overseas in war,[5] cited from the lyrics in the Live at the Garden version "I don't know whether my brother will be coming home in a box or a bag"). This makes the song unique as it has managed to become a staple favorite among fans of one of the most important bands of the 90s, and yet has no real lyrics or meaning that can be attached to the song." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Ledbetter and the supposed lyrics: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/pearl+jam/yellow+ledbetter_20106395.html Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:46:15 +0000 From: "Michel BYRNE" Subject: Number One Great new video recently posted on Youtube - Joni at an Amnesty International benefit singing Number One (from Chalkmark). A great slinky sly rhythm to it, but marred by poor sound balance - the backing singer who's meant to underpin the whole song (can't remember who she was) is almost inaudible. Enjoy! _________________________________________________________________ Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local knowledge http://www.backofmyhand.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:52:58 +0000 From: "Michel BYRNE" Subject: She had a mouth like yours I've always instinctively understood that line as meaning the woman was as garrulous or as prone to swearing as the singer's lover, in the sense of a woman who would be/may well have have been a match for the man, as a former or potential lover. It only occurred to me later that the line might refer to a relative of the man's, or simply someone who's face reminded the singer of her ex. A passing observation... _________________________________________________________________ Get Pimped! FREE emoticon packs from Windows Live - http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Dueling YouTubes Yes, that would be pretty cool, Gary - of course there is lots of Joni already there, but I hope the marketing folks at Hear Music are smart enough to use YouTube and other video vehicles on the web to help promote Joni's new project. I'd be real surprised if we didn't get SOMETHING...interviews, performances, etc. Bob NP ELP, "Hoedown" (one of the many songs that gets me MOVING) - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Dueling YouTubes Thanks for that info, Catherine - I've always loved the song and didn't give a hoot what it was about, as if I could figure it out. For the longest time it was only available as a bonus track on a CD-single and like you say was a fan fave since it came out. Bob NP: Dinosaur Jr, "Crumble" - --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:27:17 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Some great news!!!!!! (njc) Stevie Wonder to tour U.S. for first time in 12 years STORY HIGHLIGHTS Stevie Wonder hasn't toured U.S. since 1995 Legendary singer-songwriter doing 13 shows Wonder's many hits include "Superstition," "Sir Duke" o?< LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Stevie Wonder said Thursday that he will hold his first U.S. tour in more than a decade, beginning next month in San Diego. "A Wonder Summer's Night" will include 13 concerts from August 23 to September 20 in eight states. Stops in California will include San Diego, Lake Tahoe, Concord, Santa Barbara, Saratoga and Los Angeles. Other cities include Portland, Oregon; Woodinville, Washington; Chicago; Detroit; Atlanta and Baltimore. The final concert will be in Boston. Tickets will be available beginning August 11. Ticket prices were not immediately released. Although the 57-year-old has given numerous performances worldwide, Wonder's last full-scale tour in the United States was in 1995. The Motown legend has won some two dozen Grammys and had dozens of hits. His song "I Just Called to Say I Loved You," used in the movie "The Woman in Red," won the Academy Award for best original song in 1985. E-mail to a friend o?< Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:37:51 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Stevie Wonder tour dates (njc) I see he'll be playing in Santa Barbara (hi Kate!)... August 2007 23 - San Diego, CA - Humphrey's 25 - Stateline, NV - Harvey's Lake Tahoe Amphitheatre 26 - Concord, CA - Concord Sleep Train Pavilion 28 - Santa Barbara, CA - Santa Barbara Bowl 30 - Portland, OR - Edgefield Amphitheatre 31 - Woodinville, WA - Chateau Saint Michelle Winery September 2007 4 - Saratoga, CA - Mountain Winery 5 - Los Angeles, CA - Greek Theatre 10 - Chicago, IL - Charter One Pavilion 12 - Rochester Hills, MI - Meadowbrook 14 - Atlanta, GA - Chastain Park Amphitheatre 16 - Baltimore, MD - Pier Six Pavilion 20 - Boston, MA - Bank of America Pavilion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:05:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: JENNY! - njc http://www.myspace.com/jennygoodspeed Wow, a fellow lister alerted me that Jenny has her recorded stuff up on my space. What great stuff Jenny. Can't wait to see you perform it live in October. Happy Friday! Mrs. Cameron n.p. Jenny Goodspeed, 'More Than Friends' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get all the Hottest Artists on Your Cell Phone - Plus 10 Bonus Tones Today! Find Your New Ringtone at Lycos Mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerry Subject: Here's something that everyone can laugh at njc This one is great too. I remember it when it first aired on Saturday Night Live: Lucy Lawless doing "Stevie Nicks' Fajita Roundup. Hilarious! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXhBUdKXWNs&mode=related&search= Gary wrote: I like this one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEdqlfPZg0 It isn't Joni but a Stevie Nicks parody. I heard this (or something extremely similar to it) on the radio years ago, and have been looking for it for awhile now. There it was above your link. I like Stevie....but this one always made me laugh. Best regards, Gary - --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:44:11 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: What's your daemon? njc Hey Victor, Over hear the first one was called Northern Lights for some reason. I loved the trilogy, so much that i re-read them a few months ago after watching a trailer for the movie. I'm currently re-reading the Harry Potter books, just finishing Prisoner of Azkaban again. I'll read the final one for the first time soon. GARRET On 8/2/07, Victor Johnson wrote: > My daemon is a mouse named Marchestra, one of 13078 mouse daemons > within the population of 207860. Apparently I am modest, outgoing, > spontaneous, responsible, and sociable. > > I've read the Golden Compass books (by Pullman) and they totally > rock. I'm looking forward to seeing the movie! > > Victor > > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Garret wrote: > > > At the Golden Compass movie website you can take a quick test and meet > > your very own daemon. Mine is a racoon called Desra. Apparently i am > > modest, softly spoken, sociable, a leader, and responsible. > > > > http://www.goldencompassmovie.com/ (it's one of those fancy but > > annoying flash sites. You must wait a minute for it to load and then > > follow the link to "meet your daemon") > > GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:46:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: [RE]Stevie Wonder tour dates (njc) This is great news Victor, thanks for posting it. He is in Chicago on a Monday night, but I might be able to swing it. Stevie is one artist on my 'have to see before I or he or she dies' list. You know when you love someone so much that you just can't wait to see them? That was how my experience was last month seeing Ben Folds finally after almost ten years of loving his music (another thing this list has brought to my life). Happy Friday! Suze n.p. Megan Slankard, 'Riley' 10 - Chicago, IL - Charter One Pavilion - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get all the Hottest Artists on Your Cell Phone - Plus 10 Bonus Tones Today! Find Your New Ringtone at Lycos Mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:48:25 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Here's something that everyone can laugh at, njc Gary wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEdqlfPZg0 > > It isn't Joni but a Stevie Nicks parody. > Hi Gary, They didn't have to make this sound like Alvin and the Chipmunks for it to be funny. I got a bigger laugh out of listening to some of her live clips and trying to understand the words. I always thought I couldn't understand her because I was too wasted or because I'd been to too many loud concerts. She does a beautiful mumble though... abstract art of a sort. I really love Stevie. It was great to hear some of the Japan concert and other concert cliips of Fleetwood Mac. I was a big fan of theirs long before I got into Joni. Thanks for the link. Love, Laura ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:51:51 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: world clock, njc thanks, very interesting. i wonder if we're going to make it before an asteroid hits us, moon escapes earth's gravity, or the sun burning out? oh well, just remember THESE ARE THE GOOD OLD DAYS. take care, gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: world clock, njc > http://www.poodwaddle.com/worldclock.swf > > > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > !DSPAM:144,46b2ab9a50022119714930! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:01:47 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Here's something that everyone can laugh at Danke schon, darlings, danke schon. Bei mir bist Du schon! (I know, Liebchens Moni und Marion, that it should be "sind Sie" but then nobody would get the Andrews Sisters reference.) Laughter is good for the soul and now mine is refreshed. Ahhhhhhh.....deep cleansing breath. The "This Flight Tonight" one especially made me bust up laughing. Sometimes -- not too often -- I get this crazy uncontrollable laugh that comes from my very soul that makes my best friend say: "STOP IT! You're SCARING ME!" (But it's a good thing, really. Laughing and crying, you know....) Speaking of Stevie and Joni, does Stevie have the reputation for being a good dresser, elegant or something? Some kind of babe? I'm no fashionista so what do I know. I only ask because my wonderful friend Mary (some of you met her at the Tribute at Carnegie Hall or in the French Barangrill) called to wish me a good time at my son's wedding. She had helped me pick out the thirtys evening gown, and went shopping one day for jewwwwels, and she said: "You are going to look just like Stevie!" I immediately joked/whined back: "But I don't *want* to look like Stevie. I want to look like JONI!" Mary sighed (probably rolled her eyes) and smiled though the phone lines and said: "Okay, okay! You can look like Joni!" (I wish.) Happy Friday! Oh, wait. Attendez un instant. What are we supposed to do today? "If overseas, phone a friend nearest a Starbucks." Phew. Most of us get a day off today. Maybe not Paz, though, and anyone else who is traveling, traveling, traveling. And I'm kinda looking forward to the decadent cheetos day. Seems like many dim years ago since I've seen cheetos dust on my face, and then picked up the scent on my fingers all the live-long day. What aisle of the health food store are they in? Love, Patti P. **** LOL Bob!! I like this one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEdqlfPZg0 It isn't Joni but a Stevie Nicks parody. I heard this (or something extremely similar to it) on the radio years ago, and have been looking for it for awhile now. There it was above your link. I like Stevie....but this one always made me laugh. Best regards, Gary Bob Muller wrote: >Don't worry, this will never make a Covers Volume. Several LOL moments on >this one: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo4ADHjSb3I > _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:07:54 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: [RE]Stevie Wonder tour dates (njc) On Aug 3, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Suze Cameron wrote: > This is great news Victor, thanks for posting it. He is in Chicago > on a > Monday night, but I might be able to swing it. Stevie is one artist > on my > 'have to see before I or he or she dies' list. You know when you love > someone so much that you just can't wait to see them? Yes, that would be the case with me as well! In fact, I can't think of any other artist that would fit that category for me at the moment except perhaps David Sylvian, who rarely tours in the US. The only problem is, I'll be delivering meals for Hands On Atlanta that morning (for homebound people) so I will probably have to find someone who will be free to pick them up online. I suppose I could try the cell phone route but that always seems a bit sketchy. Happy Friday! Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:21:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: [RE]Here's something that everyone can laugh at njc OMG! This was laugh out loud funny and reason to continue to watch SNL. Thanks for sending this along Kerry. Made me think of the Joni parody with Belushi and how funny I thought that was back in the day. Cheers, Suze n.p. Damien Rice, "9 Crimes" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXhBUdKXWNs&mode=related&search= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get all the Hottest Artists on Your Cell Phone - Plus 10 Bonus Tones Today! Find Your New Ringtone at Lycos Mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:24:21 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Here's something that everyone can laugh at On Aug 3, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Patti Parlette wrote: > > Happy Friday! Oh, wait. Attendez un instant. What are we > supposed to do today? "If overseas, phone a friend nearest a > Starbucks." They're building one two blocks from my apartment, even though there's already one two blocks away in the other direction. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Starbucks Victor, your comment reminded me of Lewis' Black hilarious bit about Starbucks. I was going to try and retell it, but I'll let Lewis do it himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9iMgSNrwv4 Bob NP: Lewis Black - --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:26:39 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Here's something that everyone can laugh at, now NJC >>Starbucks." > >They're building one two blocks from my apartment, even though there's >already one two blocks away in the other direction. > >Victor None of the crazy you get from too much choice, I guess! "Look through any window yeah, what do you see?" (Hollies) Chains. "Chain, chain, chain, chain of fools." (Aretha) (Sorry, my OLQD is very bad today.) Reminds me of being in Salt Lake City, where it seems there is a Morman stake/church/whatever and a 7-11 on every corner. No direction home. My Mom lives there and misses Dunkin' Donuts, of all places. There are none out there, apparently. But they are everywhere in the Northeast. There are three Subways and three Blimpies on my campus. (Think that's enough?) Our "Cafe Earth" morphed into a Starbucks. And for anyone who speaks Spanish, here is another laugh for you: we had a Mexican restaurant named C. O. Jones! (Whatever happened to the Flying Burrito Brothers, btw?) When I was in Houston last year, I noticed a lot of Chick-fil-A joints and cringed at the twisted French. But that's just moi, je suppose. At least I got to go to a swinging IHOP with a hot Texas Tush! In any case, I'm glad to hear that Richard won't be singing them Statesboro Blues on CD-Day, traveling in some vehicle for an hour. xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:55:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: NJC - SICKO (long) I don't recall a thread on the movie SICKO, and I won't give any spoilers but since we have a global represenation on the JMDL I thought this might be an interesting topic. To give you a bit of perspective on me, I used to hold a license to sell health and life insurance. I worked briefly for a company that sold long term care and life insurance policies. It was not a good fit for me, and I segued into insurance work for the teacher's union in Michigan(i am a former educator), and now am an executive director for the Wisconsin Education Association Council. My unique perspective on this is that I, and my fellow colleagues and education professionals in both Michigan and Wisconsin, are very fortunate. We have insurance through our respective WEAC and MEA unions, which serve to take care of us, not to deny claims. A part of this wonderful benefit is that the insurance is costly. Yes, our company goes the extra mile to pay, not to deny, so rates occasionally spike due to useage. Tax payers complain about the high cost of teacher's insurance, etc. They complain that we (I speak as a part of the group that has the insurance) have the 'Cadillac' of insurances, and why don't we have to pay more, etc. In the insurance world, the only way to have the rates go down, is to lessen the benefits, or shift the cost. That is what the Kaiser Permanente deal did back in Nixon's reign by creating the HMO (health maintenance organization). This allowed the insurance companies to create long lists of pre-exsisting conditions and reasons for denying claims, which increased profits. I am very interested in learning how our listers deal with what in the US I believe is a health insurance crisis. Catherine has perspective on the Canadian system, working for the ministry of health in Ontario. A part of SICKO documented how urban residents of Detroit cross the river and seek treatment, illegally, at clinics in Windsor, Ontario. How very sad, to have to break the law to get health care. Each day I deal with bargaining issues that revolve around the high cost of our insurance, rather than understanding the big picture, which in my opinion is making a profit out of people's illnesses. I really liked seeing how other countries work their 'socialized medicine' as the Republicans here call it. Here in Wisconsin we are trying to tackle the issue with 'Healthy Wisconsin'. Healthy Wisconsin would significantly lower health care costs by creating a statewide catastrophic reinsurance program in our state to offset the high cost of health care for individuals who suffer serious illness or injury. By taking on some of the risk, insurers will face more predictable costs and they would feel less need to build high reserves, and these savings could be passed on to consumers in lower premiums. There are also administrative savings that would further reduce costs for health insurance. New York has a similar program that insures more than 100,000 workers. Launched in 2001, Healthy New York has reduced premiums by 50 percent for individuals and 30 percent for small businesses. Twenty other states around the country operate some kind of reinsurance pool, in addition to the model in New York. Vermont has a plan in the works, I believe Massachusets does, and I know that the Govinator in California has made it a goal. I am curious if you are a US resident if there have been issues at your work or with your coverage, and if you live in a more passionate nation (anywhere but the US!) how your health care runs. Cheers, Suze - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get all the Hottest Artists on Your Cell Phone - Plus 10 Bonus Tones Today! Find Your New Ringtone at Lycos Mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:10:34 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: NJC Starbucks >Victor, your comment reminded me of Lewis' Black hilarious bit about >Starbucks. I was going to try and retell it, but I'll let Lewis do it >himself: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9iMgSNrwv4 > > Bob > LOL...tres bien! What was I (via the Hollies) just saying? "Look through any window, yeah, what do you see?" If l had my way I'd just walk through those doors And wander Down the Champs Elysies Going cafe to cabaret ...... Please tell me they haven't changed all the cafes and caberets in Paris to Starbucks! BTW, a friend (who knows diddly about Joni) told me she heard that Joni is going to be doing Starbucks commercials. Can't be true. I told her no, that she was having her CD released by Starbucks. C'est tout. She can't be *that* in debt to the company store that she would circulate her soul around. In Joni I trust. And since one You-Tube seems to lead to another, I found this one, second after the Lewis Black one. RR will like it, and Sherelle, and you know.... It's John Lennon, giving peace a chance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-NRriHlLUk&mode=related&search= It may give you an earworm for the day, but it's a good one! In my opinion, anyway. Dogfighters and cockfighters and Hitler probably would not like it. I'm not sure about hillbillys, though. Bed peace, hair peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 20:13:11 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: joni & cohen Joni ; Rainy night house : So you packed your tent and you went to live out in the Arizona sand You are a refugee From a wealthy family You gave up all the golden factories To see who in the world you might be Cohen: Famous blue raincoat : I hear your building your house deep in the desert Your living for nothing now I hope you4re keeping some kind of record.... These two text appeared in a short while through the great shuffle ipod I acchieved due to Bob4s kindness (+you know he lit a candle for my loveluck and hey, 18 $ went up in smoke...and then we have the shipping costs for donating money to jm.com, that still appears a little strange, Les) Anyways, achieving this precious gift from Mr.Muller has opened a new world for me. Suddenly I can carry all this great music in my pocket, and it weighs nothing. Well, enough about that. Listening to the ipod I suddenly traced a recembllence with these two texts. Both Joni and Cohen sings about some person who has retreated to his/her secret place- - - I started wondering if this could be the same person. Most likey not, since I believe Coehn sings about a woman and Joni ablut a man, those artist are JUST SOOO STRAIGHT! Oh MY GOD! Well I believe I4ve heard that Joni and Cohen had some sort of relationship in the sixties, and I4ve also heard from great my Joni scholar and friend Karen Marie, that Cohen4s Rainy night house might have a connection with Joni. So who in the world might help me with this one, if any? Jonilove from Oddmund --- who is happy to pay only 10$ for Turbulent IOndigo the other day, so finally I own a copy of this precious album ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 14:11:10 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC - SICKO (long) I thought the movie was wonderful. I took my parents who wanted to see it. My mother just spent a year fighting bladder cancer. It was so moving that in certain points people were cheering. The sad truth is 99% of the audience were older who have had to battle insurance companies for years. The young people who need to be aware were all next door watching Harry Potter. Jerry > I don't recall a thread on the movie SICKO, and I won't give any spoilers > but since we have a global represenation on the JMDL I thought this might > be an interesting topic. > > To give you a bit of perspective on me, I used to hold a license to sell > health and life insurance. I worked briefly for a company that sold long > term care and life insurance policies. It was not a good fit for me, and > I segued into insurance work for the teacher's union in Michigan(i am a > former educator), and now am an executive director for the Wisconsin > Education Association Council. > > My unique perspective on this is that I, and my fellow colleagues and > education professionals in both Michigan and Wisconsin, are very > fortunate. We have insurance through our respective WEAC and MEA unions, > which serve to take care of us, not to deny claims. > > A part of this wonderful benefit is that the insurance is costly. Yes, > our company goes the extra mile to pay, not to deny, so rates > occasionally spike due to useage. Tax payers complain about the high cost > of teacher's insurance, etc. They complain that we (I speak as a part of > the group that has the insurance) have the 'Cadillac' of insurances, and > why don't we have to pay more, etc. > > In the insurance world, the only way to have the rates go down, is to > lessen the benefits, or shift the cost. That is what the Kaiser > Permanente deal did back in Nixon's reign by creating the HMO (health > maintenance organization). This allowed the insurance companies to create > long lists of pre-exsisting conditions and reasons for denying claims, > which increased profits. > > I am very interested in learning how our listers deal with what in the US > I believe is a health insurance crisis. Catherine has perspective on the > Canadian system, working for the ministry of health in Ontario. A part of > SICKO documented how urban residents of Detroit cross the river and seek > treatment, illegally, at clinics in Windsor, Ontario. How very sad, to > have to break the law to get health care. > > Each day I deal with bargaining issues that revolve around the high cost > of our insurance, rather than understanding the big picture, which in my > opinion is making a profit out of people's illnesses. I really liked > seeing how other countries work their 'socialized medicine' as the > Republicans here call it. > > Here in Wisconsin we are trying to tackle the issue with 'Healthy > Wisconsin'. Healthy Wisconsin would significantly lower health care costs > by creating a statewide catastrophic reinsurance program in our state to > offset the high cost of health care for individuals who suffer serious > illness or injury. By taking on some of the risk, insurers will face more > predictable costs and they would feel less need to build high reserves, > and these savings could be passed on to consumers in lower premiums. > There are also administrative savings that would further reduce costs for > health insurance. > > New York has a similar program that insures more than 100,000 workers. > Launched in 2001, Healthy New York has reduced premiums by 50 percent for > individuals and 30 percent for small businesses. Twenty other states > around the country operate some kind of reinsurance pool, in addition to > the model in New York. > > Vermont has a plan in the works, I believe Massachusets does, and I know > that the Govinator in California has made it a goal. > > I am curious if you are a US resident if there have been issues at your > work or with your coverage, and if you live in a more passionate nation > (anywhere but the US!) how your health care runs. > > Cheers, > > Suze > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get all the Hottest Artists on Your Cell Phone - Plus 10 Bonus Tones > Today! Find Your New Ringtone at Lycos Mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Parlette's Syndrome is Everywhere on this Marbled Bowling Ball! I am addicted to Gawker.com, which has some of the funniest writing on the Internet -- even if they're often very unkind. Anyway, here's what they have posted there now (their second Joni reference this week!): << This was such a magical week for comments, you guys. Seriously! (A circle jerk of hilarity amid the vituperation!) We sometimes found ourselves laughing so hard we cried. Laughing and crying, you know, it's the same release.>> Have a great weekend, tout le monde! --SoB . - --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:04:29 -0400 From: Vacheresse Joseph Subject: SONG FOR JONI I WROTE A SONG FOR JONI --- IS ANYONE INTERESTED ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:33:09 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: njc, Hitler and cockfights and dogfights Hey, what about us?? - -Jesus and Howard Hughes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:19:56 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: SONG FOR JONI Sure I'd like to read the lyrics or hear it (if you provide a link)! - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:12:00 +0200 From: JoniPD Subject: Re: joni & cohen Hi, Oddmund! Oh well, that's a tempting subject! I think I can shed a little light (or maybe more darkness, you know...) about this matter. First, I think you've got it a little wrong: Famous Blue Raincoat is, obviously, about a man "And what can I tell you my brother, my killer What can I possibly say? " It's a song "in second person"; ie: a letter written to someone (just like Rainy Night House!), but... who's that "You"? Well, believe it or not, some Leonard Cohen fans think it's about Leo Cohen himself; that it's a kind of "open letter" to him, a kind of "speaking to oneself in the mirror" therapy after he broke his marriage. There's something he tells in a BBC interview back in 1994: "The problem with that song is that I've forgotten the actual triangle. Whether it was my own - of course, I always felt that there was an invisible male seducing the woman I was with, now whether this one was incarnate or merely imaginary I don't remember, I've always had the sense that either I've been that figure in relation to another couple or there'd been a figure like that in relation to my marriage. I don't quite remember but I did have this feeling that there was always a third party, sometimes me, sometimes another man, sometimes another woman. It was a song I've never been satisfied with. It's not that I've resisted an impressionistic approach to songwriting, but I've never felt that this one, that I really nailed the lyric. I'm ready to concede something to the mystery, but secretly I've always felt that there was something about the song that was unclear. So I've been very happy with some of the imagery, but a lot of the imagery... The tune I think is good, I remember my mother approving of it, I remember playing the tune for her, in her kitchen, and her perking up her ears while she was doing something else and saying "that's a nice tune". Of course, that's very obscure! Could it be our Joni that "another woman"??? Did Leo played that tune in some Florida kitchen? I too have read in the JMDL that Rainy Night House might have a connection with Cohen, isn't it? Anyway, that's my two cents on it. I'm sorry I didn't help much... and grateful to you for marking that resemblance in two of my favourite songs ever. Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Al Gromer Khan & Amelia Cuni: Monsoon Point Oddmund Kaarevik escribis: > Joni ; Rainy night house : > So you packed your tent and you went > to live out in the Arizona sand > You are a refugee > >From a wealthy family > You gave up all the golden factories > To see who in the world you might be > > Cohen: Famous blue raincoat : > I hear your building your house deep in the desert > Your living for nothing now > I hope you4re keeping some kind of record.... > > These two text appeared in a short while through the great shuffle > ipod I acchieved due to Bob4s kindness (+you know he lit a candle for > my loveluck and hey, 18 $ went up in smoke...and then we have the > shipping costs for donating money to jm.com, that still appears a > little strange, Les) Anyways, achieving this precious gift from > Mr.Muller has opened a new world for me. Suddenly I can carry all this > great music in my pocket, and it weighs nothing. Well, enough about > that. Listening to the ipod I suddenly traced a recembllence with > these two texts. Both Joni and Cohen sings about some person who has > retreated to his/her secret place- - - I started wondering if this > could be the same person. Most likey not, since I believe Coehn sings > about a woman and Joni ablut a man, those artist are JUST SOOO > STRAIGHT! Oh MY GOD! Well I believe I4ve heard that Joni and Cohen had > some sort of relationship in the sixties, and I4ve also heard from > great my Joni scholar and friend Karen Marie, that Cohen4s Rainy night > house might have a connection with Joni. So who in the world might > help me with this one, if any? > > Jonilove from Oddmund --- who is happy to pay only 10$ for Turbulent > IOndigo the other day, so finally I own a copy of this precious album ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:55:20 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: NJC - Here, this is kinda timely ... ... considering the recent list banter. http://www.67nj.org/newstoday/imgs/adolph_beat.gif Ducking, Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:01:35 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Stalking Starbucks Dear Patti, The reception is coming in loud and clear from my end! I love how you are doing a saga leading up to "Shine Day". Joy and rapture that my Starbucks store is only a few feet from my apartment complex! I'm not sure I can get up that early but I think I can get there to buy it before the maddenning crowd arrives! Tres Magnifique mon amie!!!! Love, Sherelle Patti wrote: > >WARNING: Very long and JMOCDed and ooby shooby. If there's no good >reception for this, or you don't have time on your hands, then tune me out. > ; ) > > >Bon Chelsea matin, Joniami(e)s! > >Because our calendar girl Suze said: > >"August 2nd - find nearest Starbucks" > >I must follow zee orders! Jawohl! > >Parce que je suis une jeune fille rangee (Sherelle, ma belle: "Because I >am a good and dutiful girl", the title of Simone de Beauvoir's first >autobiography), I went to Starbucks yesterday. A day early! No >procastinating when it comes to Joni stuff! > >I have been in a Starbucks maybe three times in my life. > >So if you haven't followed the Cameronian Calendar yet, come, take my hand. > I'll make you welcome in! > >The streets are filled with passersby and pigeons fly >and people are sipping their tea and lemonade in the shade of the front >awning >as Patti in a coat of flowers >Steps inside a Starbucks store > >There are lots of pretty people there >Reading Rolling Stone reading Vogue > >They say: "How long can you hang around?" > >I say: "Not long, but I'll be back on CD-Day!" > >Nice grad student: "CD-Day?" > >Me, the chirp: "Don't you know? Joni Mitchell is releasing her new CD on >September 25th. Shine. It's the talk of the Joni Town! Be here, or be >square. You don't know Joni Mitchell? What, are you DAFT? You're so >square. Baby, I don't care." > >(Only kidding. That was a fictional "conversation" -- I'm not THAT >"twisted".) > >Okay. Patti's in the coffee shop. It is a lovely neutral cafe! >Earthtones. Colors of the sand and the sea. Scrumpdiddlyicous-looking >slices of cakes and breads and brownies today and the aroma of freshly >brewed coffee. It stuck to all my senses. Oh, won't you stay, we'll put >on the day! > >Let's look at the music rack, dreaming of the pleasure we're going to have >watching SHINE being displayed thereon. We spin it around and around, >playing a circle game, and see some tantalizing CDs: > >-- Ella > >-- Paul McCartney (my first musical love -- the walrus was Paul) > >-- Grateful Dead (a two-CD-set. When I read the song list I flashback to >my college roommates --"like America and Russia, we're always keeping >score": "Patti played two Jonis and we only got one Dead tonight so >far...bring her out a bottle and get her away from the turntable!"...LOL!) > >-- Surfer Music (not sure of the title, but it has some Beach Boys, >naturellement, and the theme from"Endless Summer".....ah, 1967, the Summer >of Love...."catch a wave and you're sittin' on top of the world".....la >nostaglie....."we can't return we can only look behind from where we >came"....sigh) > >And you know there may be more.... > >Let's look around the shop. Chocolate-covered espresso beans, fancy >coffee-makers, a display of Tazo teas, some stuffed animals, fancy cups, >incense owls by jewel-light and candlelight, crimson crystal beads to >beckon.... I sing in your ear: "I'd like to buy you everything >A wooden bird with painted wings >A window full of colored rings..." > >We saunter over to the counter to ask for the manager. She is not in so I >pick up her business card: > >Courtney Cheever >Store Manager >Starbucks Coffee Company > >I gotta talk to this chick to see if she wants extra help on CD-Day. She >probably has no idea that there will be THOUSANDS of people in the streets, >singing songs and carrying signs, saying: "Hurray for our SHINE!" outside >her store at 5 a.m. on September 25th. Yep, 5 a.m. is when they open. >I'll be there while the sun is ascending, right after I brush out my brood >mare's tail, of course. > >Okay, mes ami(e)s, time to leave. I'm going to buy a CD. Just one for >today, but the others are so tempting, makes me weak in the knees. Some of >the crazy you get from too much choice. And the music rack, it goes round >and round. Paul it is. It had to be you, Paul. And some tea. Yeah, >some tea! I select "Iced Black Tea." There is even French on the >box....ooh la la! Life is for learning French! "Le the noir glace de tazo >tonifiant et rafraichissant est un melange de feuilles de the de >l"Indonesie, du Sri Lanka et de l'Inde choisies ave soin, rehausse du'un >soupcon d'essences naturelles d'agrumes." > >Come up to my kitchen, and I'll show you my best reci-tea! > >I whip out my brand new, never-been-used Southwest Airlines visa card >(gotta start racking up miles of aisle-seat points for these flights >tonight!) and pay. The fair young maiden puts my purchases in a nice >brown paper Starbucks bag and I carry it out of the store, like a prize. > >Wow. > >Something tells me we're into something good. Baby, baby, can't you hear >my heart beat? > >Thanks for coming with me. That was fun! > >Now what are we doing tomorrow? I'll have to check. > >Love, > >Patti P. in Morning UConn Town > >_________________________________________________________________ >A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. >http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #302 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------