From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #299 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 2 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 299 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- jonifest UK ["Jeff Hankins" ] Wholy holy? ["Gordon MacKie" ] Re: NJC COVERS #91 (Bob Mould & Sugar) [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: NJC Hitler ["Steve Petrica" ] Re: [RE]countdown to S H I N E - NJC ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 91 - Can't Get it at Starbucks! [Mark-Leon Thorne] Judy Collins Live @ Roxy - 1979 - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC COVERS #91 (Bob Mould & Sugar) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] More news on upcoming Herbie Hancock tribute to Joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.co] More details on the Hancock project [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Still more Herbie [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Still more Herbie ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 91 - Can't Get it at Starbucks! [Bob.Muller@Fluor] RE: Still more Herbie [Smurf ] Re: More details on the Hancock project [Smurf ] Re: Still more Herbie [FMYFL@aol.com] Blue transcription up on jmdl "guitar tabs" section [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Still more Herbie [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC COVERS #91 (Bob Mould & Sugar) [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: NJC COVERS #91 (Bob Mould & Sugar) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws and guitars (njc) ;) ["Donna Binkley"] Re: Blue transcription up on jmdl "guitar tabs" section [Motitan@aol.com] Re: NJC Hitler [Motitan@aol.com] Re: NJC Hitler [jeannie ] Stalking Starbucks ["Patti Parlette" ] Random Joni thoughts...(kind of long) [Motitan@aol.com] RE: joni video on cbc website ["Hell" ] Joni in the workplace ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws and anger [jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:44:17 +0100 From: "Jeff Hankins" Subject: jonifest UK Hey list I'd like to attend the UK Jonifest next year..What do I do? Who do I tell/ask? Should I wait to be invited? Cheers Jeff in Wales ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:36:51 +0100 From: "Gordon MacKie" Subject: Wholy holy? Holy wine Batman. Bruce, ..or is it Donald....I guess Catholic theology is important to you but I think you squeeze a lot of of vey little. It is inventive though. Sainted Mother? Thats a leap of faith too far for me. Gordon ( in dull and overcast Glasgow) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 04:56:39 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: NJC COVERS #91 (Bob Mould & Sugar) YO, Bob LUV this live Husker Du version of "You're So Square..." Reminds me a bit of their fun cover of "Love Is All Around (Theme from 'The Mary Tyler Moore Show')." ;-) Oh, and just for the record: The correct name of Bob Mould's post-Husker Du band--yet another formidable power trio--was simply SUGAR. However, they DID title their sensational debut disc "COPPER Blue" (...hence, the probable confusion). XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'Kafunta' (1968) by P.P. Arnold ======================================= Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >>> 19. Husker Du - "You're So Square, Baby I Don't Care": I'm happy to include this one, never officially released by the 80's SST power trio. Bob Mould went on to a memorable career, both solo and as the leader of Sugar Blue. <<< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:09:23 -0400 From: "Steve Petrica" Subject: Re: NJC Hitler On 8/1/07, Mon wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:48:58 EDT > From: Motitan@aol.com > Subject: Re: NJC Hitler > > In a message dated 8/1/2007 5:51:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > missblux@googlemail.com writes: > > Did you know that the -olf-part of his name means wolf, and that the town > of Wolfsburg where they produce the Volkswagen was named after him and, as > far as I remember, destined to be some sort of retreat for him after the > war was over? I don't think Volkswagen like to make a > big fuss about that. > > BN > > - ------------------------------------------ > Wow, I did not know that. That's definitely not something to brag > about! Did you know Time magazine named him "man of the year" at some > point? I can't recall the exact year though. Man of the year, eh? What > are the qualifications? Not very high standards I presume... > Here's what Time wrote in its cover story naming Hitler Man of the Year for 1938: >>F|hrer of the German people, Commander-in-Chief of the German Army, Navy & Air Force, Chancellor of the Third Reich, Herr Hitler reaped on that day at Munich the harvest of an audacious, defiant, ruthless foreign policy he had pursued for five and a half years. He had torn the Treaty of Versailles to shreds. He had rearmed Germany to the teeth or as close to the teeth as he was able. He had stolen Austria before the eyes of a horrified and apparently impotent world. All these events were shocking to nations which had defeated Germany on the battlefield only 20 years before, but nothing so terrified the world as the ruthless, methodical, Nazi-directed events which during late summer and early autumn threatened a world war over Czechoslovakia. When without loss of blood he reduced Czechoslovakia to a German puppet state, forced a drastic revision of Europe's defensive alliances, and won a free hand for himself in Eastern Europe by getting a "hands-off" promise from powerful Britain (and later France), Adolf Hitler without doubt became 1938's Man of the Year.<< (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,760539,00.html) Obviously, they weren't identifying him as "Man of the Year" out of admiration, but because of his affect on European history. And as for Wolfsburg, it was indeed established by the Nazis as the site for the VW factory, but its name has nothing to do with Hitler: "After World War II, in 1945, the city got its present name after the Wolfsburg castle located in the city, which was founded about 1300 on the bank of the Aller river." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsburg) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:33:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: [RE]countdown to S H I N E - NJC Cat wrote: OK, I give up. What is reuben tipping? Or should it be who is Reuben Tipping? My answer: Ruben is the big fellow from American idol (or as I call it (Idull) a few years back. Cat wrote: Crikey. Like cow tipping. I I'm a bit disappointed in you, though. I was hoping it was going to be something dirty. ;-) My answer: It could be dirty depending on which way you tip him. Happy Thursday! n.p. Elliot Smith, 'Angles in the Snow' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get all the Hottest Artists on Your Cell Phone - Plus 10 Bonus Tones Today! Find Your New Ringtone at Lycos Mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 21:35:45 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 91 - Can't Get it at Starbucks! Thanks Bob for another great covers volume. Hard to believe you're up to volume 91 already. As usual, it's another interesting mix. Love BeTI's BYT. Very mellow and funky. It's more like a cover of the BYT remixes than Joni's original. Denise Kaufmann certainly put lots of feeling into her covers but her voice doesn't really cut it for me. The instrumentation is lovely though. Julian Dawson's, The Gallery is very nice but, I'm afraid I'm of the school that says singers should change the gender of the storyteller in a song to match the singer. So, is this a song about a guy who switched camps for him and then back again? "I gave you all my pretty years". Who's a pretty boy then? "Lady please love me..."? Very confusing. Still, beautifully sung. I also liked Steven Curtis Chapman's, TCG. A little cheesy with the choir and his country music tones but a nice effort. Without meaning to seem biased, my favourite is Rose Bygrave's, Woodstock. I was ready to hate it but was pleasantly surprised. I have never heard of Rose but she has a Beth Orton tone to her voice. I always thought Beth Orton would do great justice to Joni's songs. Rose does a great job on this. Gorgeous instrumentation with the slide guitar and the bass with a hint of production to bring it up to date. This one's a treasure for me, Bob. Thanks. Nice to finally hear a decent Australian cover of a Joni song (Christine Sullivan not withstanding). Mark in Sydney NP Woodstock - Rose Bygrave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:49:45 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Judy Collins Live @ Roxy - 1979 - NJC Hello: Take a listen to Judy and Band on another concert newly added to Wolfgangs Vault. Recorded for the King Biscuit Flower Hour in 1979. Excellent versions of some old songs... http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=20049951%7C3666&utm _source=NL&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=070801 Tracks & Info taken from site/ link... City of New Orleans 4:54 Special Delivery 3:54 Band Chatter 1:03 Hard Times For Lovers 4:04 Dorothy 4:42 Band Chatter 0:29 The Promise 3:47 Through The Eyes Of love 3:24 Happy End 3:02 Desperado 4:29 Someday Soon 3:50 Band Introduction 1:08 I Remember Sky 4:17 Pretty Polly 7:25 Bird On A Wire 8:28 Everything Must Change (Incomplete) 4:27 Marie 3:38 Starmaker 6:33 Send In The Clowns 5:23 Who Knows Where The Time Goes? 8:26 Where Or When 4:06 Angel, Spread Your Wings 4:02 Judy Collins - vocals, guitar, piano Band members - unknown ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:27:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC COVERS #91 (Bob Mould & Sugar) Thanks for the correction, Billy. You are right regarding the source of my confusion as I do have (and love) that record. Now that I think about it, Sugar Blue was the name of the dude who played that wicked harp lick on the Stones' "Miss You". As much as I like(d) Husker Du, I never understood why all the critics pick "Zen Arcade" as their best - I just can't get into most of it and prefer most of their other releases. And Bob Mould's solo work is better still. Glad you're digging the covers, and thanks for the comments. It makes all the work worthwhile. NP: Prince, "Adore" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:43:29 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: More news on upcoming Herbie Hancock tribute to Joni http://tinyurl.com/25vt3x This is shaping up to be a very exciting project! TINA TURNER, CORINNE BAILEY RAE and LEONARD COHEN are among the stars who'll join jazz great HERBIE HANCOCK on his upcoming JONI MITCHELL tribute album. Hancock has reworked a handful of Mitchell classics on River: The Joni Letters, and he's asked his famous friends to join him in the studio. Mitchell herself joins Hancock for one track, The Tea Leaf Prophecy, while semi-retired Turner sings on Edith + The Kingpin. Other singers featured include Norah Jones and Luciana Souza. Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Royal Orleans" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:47:30 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: More details on the Hancock project And it's even coming out on September 25th! Looks like I have to take that day off. http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003619877 Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Nighthawk Postcards (From Easy Street)" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:19:54 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Still more Herbie From his official website: Herbie Hancock's "River: The Joni Letters" Set For Release on September 25th Herbie Hancock's "River: The Joni Letters" Set For Release on September 25th Featured Guest Vocalists - Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen, Tina Turner, Norah Jones, Corinne Bailey Rae and Luciana Souza Joni Mitchell and Herbie Hancock, along with Miles Davis, Wayne Shorter, Pablo Picasso, and other great artists of our time, share an incessant and profound creative restlessness. They each have always had the desire and need to break fresh ground with each note played or stroke of the brush. It was exactly this kind of curiosity which motivated Davis to hire Hancock in 1963 to be a part of, along with Wayne Shorter, Ron Carter, and Tony Williams, arguably one of the most important groups of musicians of the twentieth century. It was in fact Miles who told Hancock to "never finish anything." Hancock, like Joni Mitchell, has gone on to explore many different genres and mediums to express his incessant curiosity, working in the context of jazz, electronic music, funk, orchestral, and film music. Hancock first worked with Joni Mitchell on the iconic singer/songwriter's Mingus record, an album comprised of collaborations between Mitchell and the great bassist and composer Charles Mingus. Together with Wayne Shorter, Hancock was part of a small group with which Mitchell tried to craft a new "conversational" approach to coupling lyrics with instrumental jazz. "At this point in my career," Hancock says, "I want to do something that reaches into the lives and hearts of people." For "River", Hancock enlisted producer/ arranger/ bassist Larry Klein (Mitchell's long-time producer and creative partner, who has also produced albums by Madeleine Peyroux and Shawn Colvin among many others), to help him go deeply into Mitchell's body of work to select songs that Hancock and Klein could adapt to a genre-less and conversational musical approach, while trying to portray the breadth of Mitchell's gift as a musician and writer. To add another dimension to their picture of Mitchell's musical world, they also included two compositions that were important to her musical development, Wayne Shorter's asymmetrical masterpiece "Nefertiti", first recorded by Hancock and Shorter on Miles Davis' classic album of the same name, and Duke Ellington's prescient standard "Solitude". Hancock and Klein worked for months, carefully reading through Joni's lyrics and music, eventually paring their list down to thirteen songs that they hoped comprised a panoramic view of the poet's work. They then assembled a group of the top musicians in the world, including the incomparable Wayne Shorter on soprano and tenor sax, the brilliant bassist and composer Dave Holland, (a musical cohort of Hancock and Shorter's who shares their adventurousness, as well as the Miles Davis imprimatur), drummer Vinnie Colaiuta (a recent member of Hancock's band as well as having played extensively with Mitchell and Sting), and Benin-born guitarist Lionel Loueke, also a member of Hancock's band. They went on to craft arrangements for songs like the often recorded "Both Sides Now", and "Sweet Bird" (from Mitchell's overlooked classic The Hissing of Summer Lawns) that transformed the songs into lyrical and elegant instrumental tone poems, devoid of the trappings of conventional jazz records. "We wanted to create a new vocabulary, a new way of speaking in a musical sense," Hancock says. Klein adds, "we used the words to guide us. All of the music emanated from the poetry." They were also fortunate to be able to cast the vocal songs with some of the greatest singers in the music world. Joni herself sings the autobiographical musing on childhood "The Tea Leaf Prophecy", Tina Turner turns the beautiful prose of "Edith And The Kingpin" into a timeless piece of song-noir, Norah Jones delivers the wistful classic "Court and Spark", Corinne Bailey Rae turns the mournful Christmas classic "River" into an innocent and optimistic poem of bittersweet romance, Brazilian-born Luciana Souza becomes a dark third voice to Hancock and Shorter on "Amelia", and in a stark and cinematic closer, Leonard Cohen recites the brilliant and surreal lyric to "The Jungle Line" as Hancock provides film score-like improvised accompaniment. River: The Joni Letters represents a journey into a new world in Hancock's search for fresh ground. A world of words. Bob NP: Drive-By Truckers, "Ronnie & Neil" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:33:37 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Still more Herbie "Tina Turner turns the beautiful prose of "Edith And The Kingpin" into a timeless piece of song-noir" Last time I checked, "Edith" was verse, not prose. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:40:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 91 - Can't Get it at Starbucks! Thanks for the feedback, Mark - and of course for your help in assembling it. Glad that you found much to like on it - I agree with most everything you said. An interesting footnote about Denise Kaufmann. On the same album these two covers were on ("Dream Flight") she included an original song of hers called "Song For Joni" which of course is a tribute to her. I had previously uploaded the track and shared it on the JMDL along with her lyrics. I was really ready to dismiss SCC's "Circle Game" cover but instead found it quite pretty & touching. Shame on me for my prejudice. Regarding the gender issue in Julian Dawson's "Gallery" cover, I guess I don't have a problem with a man or woman singing a song written for the voice of the other gender - I actually prefer they do so in fact as opposed to changing the he's to she's and so on. I don't think that it has to be autobiographical in every instance, where the voice of the singer is playing the role of the character in the song. Julian's project (he covers all female writers) is sort of an answer to Tori Amos' "Strange Little Girls" where she covers all male writers. Bob NP: Tori Amos, "Me & A Gun" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: RE: Still more Herbie Richard rote: << Last time I checked, "Edith" was verse, not prose. >> I missed that because I was gagging on "a timeless piece of song-noir." --SoB Richard Flynn wrote: "Tina Turner turns the beautiful prose of "Edith And The Kingpin" into a timeless piece of song-noir" Last time I checked, "Edith" was verse, not prose. - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: More details on the Hancock project Muller sez: "And it's even coming out on September 25th! Looks like I have to take that day off." I think a lot of people on this list are going to have their heads explode that day . . . --SoB . - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:52:00 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Still more Herbie WOW, now there's 2 CD's to look forward to on September 25th! Thanks for the info, Bob. Jimmy In a message dated 8/2/2007 9:23:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > Herbie Hancock's "River: The Joni Letters" Set For Release on September > 25th > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:56:37 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Blue transcription up on jmdl "guitar tabs" section Dear piano players on list, Les has now posted the piano transcription of Blue that Barnaby Finch and I wrote out for our last show. If I may say so it is dead on for accuracy. I did not include the vocal line though; it's only the piano part but I may add the vocal line above it so it is clear where you are in the song. I think Les may be creating a piano section for jmdl but for now the chart resides in the guitar tabs section, searchable in the database, along with Down to You which has been up for a year or so. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: More details on the Hancock project - njc [TABLE NOT SHOWN] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get all the Hottest Artists on Your Cell Phone - Plus 10 Bonus Tones Today! Find Your New Ringtone at Lycos Mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:58:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: September 25th, njc Muller sez: "And it's even coming out on September 25th! Looks like I have to take that day off." Murphy sez: I think a lot of people on this list are going to have their heads explode that day . . . Suze sez: Why, yes Bob, I see it here on my Treo calendar, September 25th, see doctor about exploding head... n.p. LCD Soundsystem, 'North American Scum' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get all the Hottest Artists on Your Cell Phone - Plus 10 Bonus Tones Today! Find Your New Ringtone at Lycos Mobile. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:00:51 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Still more Herbie And if you want to complete the hat trick, Chaka Khan's "Funk This" also drops on that date - it has a funky version of 'Ladies' Man" on it. Bob, head percolating already NP: Steely Dan, "Any Major Dude" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:13:12 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: NJC COVERS #91 (Bob Mould & Sugar) COMPLETELY agree with you on this one, Bob! The Du's 'Zen Arcade'--much like Sonic Youth's similarly praised 'Daydream Nation'--is a bit "raw" for my taste. I MUCH prefer Husker Du's more polished swan song (1987's 'Warehouse: Songs and Stories' on Warner Bros.), which I think is a brilliant, overlooked classic! LOVE all the Sugar and Bob Mould "solo" stuff as well. XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'Chinese Boxes' (2007) by Kim Richey. Produced by Giles Martin (FYI: George's son...) ;-) =========================== The Bobster (Bob.Muller@Fluor.com) wrote: >>> Thanks for the correction, Billy. You are right regarding the source of my confusion, as I do have (and love) that record ('Copper Blue' by Sugar). As much as I like(d) Husker Du, I never understood why all the critics pick "Zen Arcade" as their best - I just can't get into most of it and prefer most of their other releases. And Bob Mould's solo work is better still. <<< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:25:07 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC COVERS #91 (Bob Mould & Sugar) That's my favorite HD album - I was going to say so in my original post. And that's a great analogy about SY's "Daydream Nation" - I'm sure you know that they did a special re-release of that this year with a bunch of bonus tracks, and I pulled it off the shelf and listened and listened, and I still don't think it's as good as almost anything else they've done. Their last 2 CD's along with "Goo" and "Dirty" are my favorites. Bob NP: Tori, "Cloud On My Tongue" (I hear lots of Joni influence on this track...) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:08:05 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws and guitars (njc) ;) Well as much as i hate to have to chime in on this STUPID THREAD, the Hispanic community gets the blame for the pit bull bullshit in my neck of the woods, and guess what go a little further east, say AK or MS and you can blame it on the white rednecks. I guess there are assholes everywhere. Jeez let one person make one comment and it turns into fucking anarchy around here. Sorry but my delete button is worn out. db >>> Debra Shea 8/1/2007 11:31 PM >>> - --- jeannie wrote: > So, with this pit-bull issue, yes, the Black > community > gets the shit blame. I wish I could tape this coming > Saturday evening conversation at the joint as > proof. I'm not used to such overt racism. The kind I hear is much more subtle, which in some ways is even harder to do battle against. > It leads to much conversation with me, 'ya see? Yes, I see. Your chatty charm is crystal clear. :-) Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:40:42 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue transcription up on jmdl "guitar tabs" section Ooh, excellent! I actually have been thinking about learning a Joni song or two on piano (well I only a keyboard but you know). Now I'm not very proficient on the keys due to the fact that my guitar takes up most of my time. I do love the piano though but hardly play it enough to really be anything special. But I can read music a bit. I can't just sit down, look at the sheet music, and start playing right away perfectly. I really find it impressive how people can do that. I mean think about all those session players that can paid (very well) by the hour who just look at the music and play! See, I started out reading music a bit but slowly but surely moved away from it. However, I know if the sheet music is there....and I spend some time on it....and I'm really into it, I could do it. Blue would definitely be a great song to learn... - -M ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:44:01 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Hitler In a message dated 8/2/2007 2:53:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com writes: I heard Hitler claimed to be catholic. I recently read a book on Hitler by George Victor, 'Hitler: the pathology of evil.' Awesome and interesting read. I recommend it. jeannie - -------------------------------------------- Hmm, thanks for the recommendation. I'm going to order that from the library. As soon as I'm finished with my current book I'm reading, I will pick that one up! - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: NJC Hitler Wasn't Osama Bin Laden, 'Man Of The Year,' too? I know there have been quite a few seedy, shady, sulpher-stenching characters given the title. Speaking of the devil, has Dubya ever been on the cover of Time magazine as the 'Man Of The Year?' Jean Steve Petrica wrote: On 8/1/07, Mon wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:48:58 EDT > From: Motitan@aol.com > Subject: Re: NJC Hitler > > In a message dated 8/1/2007 5:51:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > missblux@googlemail.com writes: > > Did you know that the -olf-part of his name means wolf, and that the town > of Wolfsburg where they produce the Volkswagen was named after him and, as > far as I remember, destined to be some sort of retreat for him after the > war was over? I don't think Volkswagen like to make a > big fuss about that. > > BN > > - ------------------------------------------ > Wow, I did not know that. That's definitely not something to brag > about! Did you know Time magazine named him "man of the year" at some > point? I can't recall the exact year though. Man of the year, eh? What > are the qualifications? Not very high standards I presume... > Here's what Time wrote in its cover story naming Hitler Man of the Year for 1938: >>F|hrer of the German people, Commander-in-Chief of the German Army, Navy & Air Force, Chancellor of the Third Reich, Herr Hitler reaped on that day at Munich the harvest of an audacious, defiant, ruthless foreign policy he had pursued for five and a half years. He had torn the Treaty of Versailles to shreds. He had rearmed Germany to the teeth or as close to the teeth as he was able. He had stolen Austria before the eyes of a horrified and apparently impotent world. All these events were shocking to nations which had defeated Germany on the battlefield only 20 years before, but nothing so terrified the world as the ruthless, methodical, Nazi-directed events which during late summer and early autumn threatened a world war over Czechoslovakia. When without loss of blood he reduced Czechoslovakia to a German puppet state, forced a drastic revision of Europe's defensive alliances, and won a free hand for himself in Eastern Europe by getting a "hands-off" promise from powerful Britain (and later France), Adolf Hitler without doubt became 1938's Man of the Year.<< (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,760539,00.html) Obviously, they weren't identifying him as "Man of the Year" out of admiration, but because of his affect on European history. And as for Wolfsburg, it was indeed established by the Nazis as the site for the VW factory, but its name has nothing to do with Hitler: "After World War II, in 1945, the city got its present name after the Wolfsburg castle located in the city, which was founded about 1300 on the bank of the Aller river." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsburg) Steve - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:03:09 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Stalking Starbucks WARNING: Very long and JMOCDed and ooby shooby. If there's no good reception for this, or you don't have time on your hands, then tune me out. ; ) Bon Chelsea matin, Joniami(e)s! Because our calendar girl Suze said: "August 2nd - find nearest Starbucks" I must follow zee orders! Jawohl! Parce que je suis une jeune fille rangee (Sherelle, ma belle: "Because I am a good and dutiful girl", the title of Simone de Beauvoir's first autobiography), I went to Starbucks yesterday. A day early! No procastinating when it comes to Joni stuff! I have been in a Starbucks maybe three times in my life. So if you haven't followed the Cameronian Calendar yet, come, take my hand. I'll make you welcome in! The streets are filled with passersby and pigeons fly and people are sipping their tea and lemonade in the shade of the front awning as Patti in a coat of flowers Steps inside a Starbucks store There are lots of pretty people there Reading Rolling Stone reading Vogue They say: "How long can you hang around?" I say: "Not long, but I'll be back on CD-Day!" Nice grad student: "CD-Day?" Me, the chirp: "Don't you know? Joni Mitchell is releasing her new CD on September 25th. Shine. It's the talk of the Joni Town! Be here, or be square. You don't know Joni Mitchell? What, are you DAFT? You're so square. Baby, I don't care." (Only kidding. That was a fictional "conversation" -- I'm not THAT "twisted".) Okay. Patti's in the coffee shop. It is a lovely neutral cafe! Earthtones. Colors of the sand and the sea. Scrumpdiddlyicous-looking slices of cakes and breads and brownies today and the aroma of freshly brewed coffee. It stuck to all my senses. Oh, won't you stay, we'll put on the day! Let's look at the music rack, dreaming of the pleasure we're going to have watching SHINE being displayed thereon. We spin it around and around, playing a circle game, and see some tantalizing CDs: - -- Ella - -- Paul McCartney (my first musical love -- the walrus was Paul) - -- Grateful Dead (a two-CD-set. When I read the song list I flashback to my college roommates --"like America and Russia, we're always keeping score": "Patti played two Jonis and we only got one Dead tonight so far...bring her out a bottle and get her away from the turntable!"...LOL!) - -- Surfer Music (not sure of the title, but it has some Beach Boys, naturellement, and the theme from"Endless Summer".....ah, 1967, the Summer of Love...."catch a wave and you're sittin' on top of the world".....la nostaglie....."we can't return we can only look behind from where we came"....sigh) And you know there may be more.... Let's look around the shop. Chocolate-covered espresso beans, fancy coffee-makers, a display of Tazo teas, some stuffed animals, fancy cups, incense owls by jewel-light and candlelight, crimson crystal beads to beckon.... I sing in your ear: "I'd like to buy you everything A wooden bird with painted wings A window full of colored rings..." We saunter over to the counter to ask for the manager. She is not in so I pick up her business card: Courtney Cheever Store Manager Starbucks Coffee Company I gotta talk to this chick to see if she wants extra help on CD-Day. She probably has no idea that there will be THOUSANDS of people in the streets, singing songs and carrying signs, saying: "Hurray for our SHINE!" outside her store at 5 a.m. on September 25th. Yep, 5 a.m. is when they open. I'll be there while the sun is ascending, right after I brush out my brood mare's tail, of course. Okay, mes ami(e)s, time to leave. I'm going to buy a CD. Just one for today, but the others are so tempting, makes me weak in the knees. Some of the crazy you get from too much choice. And the music rack, it goes round and round. Paul it is. It had to be you, Paul. And some tea. Yeah, some tea! I select "Iced Black Tea." There is even French on the box....ooh la la! Life is for learning French! "Le the noir glace de tazo tonifiant et rafraichissant est un melange de feuilles de the de l"Indonesie, du Sri Lanka et de l'Inde choisies ave soin, rehausse du'un soupcon d'essences naturelles d'agrumes." Come up to my kitchen, and I'll show you my best reci-tea! I whip out my brand new, never-been-used Southwest Airlines visa card (gotta start racking up miles of aisle-seat points for these flights tonight!) and pay. The fair young maiden puts my purchases in a nice brown paper Starbucks bag and I carry it out of the store, like a prize. Wow. Something tells me we're into something good. Baby, baby, can't you hear my heart beat? Thanks for coming with me. That was fun! Now what are we doing tomorrow? I'll have to check. Love, Patti P. in Morning UConn Town _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:08:05 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Random Joni thoughts...(kind of long) Well instead of replying to everything one by one or starting a few different threads, I figure I'll just lump in all my random Joni thoughts in this post. The only way they are connected is that they are all about Joni. That's just how my mind is--full of random, unconnected thoughts that circle 'round and 'round until I get them out into the open. First off, I watched Woman of Heart & Mind again yesterday. Oh, what a wonderful DVD! It's so very informative and entertaining! I just love how Joni said that her goal in life was just to make it through with a good heart. Amen to that! But my question is why is "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" skipped? There's not even a mention of it in the whole DVD. It goes right from C&S to Hejira. I would have liked some discussion on it even if it is brief. That being said, does anyone know of any more recent articles offhand where Joni discusses the album? It's such a brilliant album. I'd like to hear Joni's insight into it and opinion on it after some time had passed. I may have to do a search for it. I'd like to hear what she thinks of it nowadays as opposed to when it first came out. Also, from watching that DVD, I know a question I would ask Joni if I ever met her (I also have 4 things I would tell Joni as well if I met her---but that's for another day). Now I don't think I'll actually ever meet her. The only way such a thing would happen would have to come from stalking on my part. And well, stalking's not really my thing. It doesn't go with my look. :P Anyway, in that DVD Joni said anything that moves her influences her. My question to her would be, "You've got so many influences that have grown and faded throughout the years. You once said that anything that moves you, influences you. What moves you these days?" That would be my question! I remember there was a thread regarding questions you'd ask Joni if you had the chance.... I'm getting so excited for the upcoming new album! I almost can't wait but as it goes "patience is a virtue." I don't think I'm going to dwell on Joni and Starbucks anymore. At first, some of the negativity surrounding this really irritated me (I don't mean to offend anyone on the list who had their own doubts on Starbuck and Joni mind you). In fact, sometimes some comments upset me. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion which I understand. I just want everyone to be happy there's a new album coming out! Sometimes a lot of the negativity in the world (now I'm speaking just in general) really gets to me. It's almost as if there's always some barrier to happiness. Sometimes I wonder if human beings are truly capable of being happy. So I don't understand certain things in the world. I suppose I never will. Enough Joni rambling...... - -Monika, going to blast Joni and Neil...and probably the Beatles...and two other artists on her sister's 5 disc stereo after signing off.... ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 05:29:26 +1200 From: "Hell" Subject: RE: joni video on cbc website Mags wrote: > yes indeedy, it's www.cbc.ca > > Doug, it's just the main page of the cbc, and there's a small > little icon thingity to the right. As Kev said, it's just a wee > bit about Joan signing on with Hear Music. I managed to view it at work - amazing, considering I usually have trouble viewing this sort of thing because of our firewall settings. But did anyone else notice them talking about a "two CD deal with Hear Music"? The first is Shine, but I don't remember hearing about any others - have I missed something? Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:54:27 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni in the workplace Wow. Just got some REAL Joni in the workplace. Suki came in. She's the tiny ballet dancer who walked down the aisle to Joni's "Love" and who met her and talked to her twice in the Hammerstein Theater (and Joni was loving and kind). Anyway, she is defending her disseration today. So she comes in with a present for ME? It's her *own* shining hour and I should be giving *her* a present. Anyway, I open the gift bag and what is staring me right in the face: JONI! With a black beret on, her chin resting on her impossibly gentle hand. I started crying. I see something of Joni's self in everyone, just at this moment of the world... Oh. It's a book. "The Joni Mitchell Companion", by STacy Luftig. I don't have it! I'm so thrilled! Make my day! Suki was thrilled, too. She thought for sure I would have it already. It has pictures! One I've never seen before...Joni & Graham, 1969, Corbis/Henry Diltz. He's surrounded by a fur collar and she has on a knitted cap (I want to knit you a sweater, Joni!) and he is absolutely BEAMING! (Well, wouldn't you beam if you were cheek to cheek with Joni?). "A love like I have *never* known...." The billboard for MOA.....oh my, oh my!! Bonnie and Joni in Illinois in 1985. She has short hair! I know, I should calm down. Prolly all these essays are in our library. (Thank you, Les!) It's just the timing, you know? I"m porous with Joni fever, and I'm so glad I'm not alone here! She wrote inside: "For Patti, who knows what's important. Love, Suki" Joni is important! And so is Love & peace, Patti P. P.S. Yet another gift today. A grad student just back from her home in the Netherlands brought me some Droste's chocolate. NPIMH: Maybe I'll go to Amsterdam...... P.S.S. Monika, are you here? Recently you said you can do something good and get 15 people to say something nice, and then ONE PERSON says something negative and spoils it. That just happened. Boopsie, the Joni-hater in my dept., just came in and I showed her the book and she scowled and asked if I were seeing a therapist. I told her my analyst told me it's good to have some passions in life, and she sniffed and said: "It's clearly over the line into obsession." Harrumph! Some people! Joni was right encore une fois: There's always somebody bringing you down. _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see troublebefore he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws and anger Dear Donna, Well, as long as it's only your delete button and not your index or middle finger that's worn out. ;} Listen, here in San Antonio, pit-bull fighting is out of control, like child murders and child abuse and most are commited by breath-taking ignorant Latinos. It's people, like the ones I know and admire, who are changing these evil ways of the city. San Antonio can be a backwood, boondock city in many ways, too, and our animal care services are run by educated backward fools. Everytime I'd go to the City Pound, the director would use illiterate sign language to the employees to rush to do the things they're supposed to be doing, like being compassionate to animals and throwing the whistle-blowers out of their territory. We've had at least three City Pound directors come and go in just a couple of years, due to the scrutiny. Things are changing, finally. And you know what? When we show the fighting pitbull homeboys the love we have for their fighting pits, they look at us weird. But, who cares? It ends up being effective. We've surely come a very long way. Thanks to cities like Houston, things for the fighting dogs are easing up down here in our neck of the woods. The homeboys are having to lay down their breathtaking ignorance and behind that stupid tough exterior of theirs is usually a very wounded child who came into this world to wander into a breath-taking ignorant environment. But when the good fight for the light here comes on, the use of finesse and strategies using common sense and common etiquette and understanding and listening are highly recommended. If we spew out anger, it'll be ineffective and they won't let down their "fuck-off" finger. ? Sounds like a theme for a Joni Mitchell song to me. Jean Can you imagine if a Hispanic surnamed artist like Jerry Garcia had run a large fighting pit-bull community? Or present day sportsters like "Big Papi," David Ortiz or Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Tony Romo, Tony Gonzalez, and so many more. I'd be so hurt and upset. These are my "Homeboy Homies." Anarchy on the JMDL? "Lay down your arms.. Lay 'em down, lay 'em down, now." jean ley wrote: Well as much as i hate to have to chime in on this STUPID THREAD, the Hispanic community gets the blame for the pit bull bullshit in my neck of the woods, and guess what go a little further east, say AK or MS and you can blame it on the white rednecks. I guess there are assholes everywhere. Jeez let one person make one comment and it turns into fucking anarchy around here. Sorry but my delete button is worn out. db >>> Debra Shea 8/1/2007 11:31 PM >>> - --- jeannie wrote: > So, with this pit-bull issue, yes, the Black > community > gets the shit blame. I wish I could tape this coming > Saturday evening conversation at the joint as > proof. I'm not used to such overt racism. The kind I hear is much more subtle, which in some ways is even harder to do battle against. > It leads to much conversation with me, 'ya see? Yes, I see. Your chatty charm is crystal clear. :-) Debra Shea - --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:13:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Joni in the workplace You are lucky, Patti. There are a lot of bad books about Joni out there but Staci's book is one of the better ones. Jerry Patti Parlette wrote: > Wow. Just got some REAL Joni in the workplace. > > Suki came in. She's the tiny ballet dancer who walked down the aisle to > Joni's "Love" and who met her and talked to her twice in the Hammerstein > Theater (and Joni was loving and kind). Anyway, she is defending her > disseration today. > > So she comes in with a present for ME? It's her *own* shining hour and I > should be giving *her* a present. > > Anyway, I open the gift bag and what is staring me right in the face: > JONI! > With a black beret on, her chin resting on her impossibly gentle hand. > > I started crying. I see something of Joni's self in everyone, just at > this > moment of the world... > > Oh. It's a book. "The Joni Mitchell Companion", by STacy Luftig. I > don't > have it! I'm so thrilled! Make my day! Suki was thrilled, too. She > thought for sure I would have it already. > > It has pictures! One I've never seen before...Joni & Graham, 1969, > Corbis/Henry Diltz. He's surrounded by a fur collar and she has on a > knitted cap (I want to knit you a sweater, Joni!) and he is absolutely > BEAMING! (Well, wouldn't you beam if you were cheek to cheek with Joni?). > "A love like I have *never* known...." > > The billboard for MOA.....oh my, oh my!! Bonnie and Joni in Illinois in > 1985. She has short hair! > > I know, I should calm down. Prolly all these essays are in our library. > (Thank you, Les!) It's just the timing, you know? I"m porous with Joni > fever, and I'm so glad I'm not alone here! > > She wrote inside: "For Patti, who knows what's important. Love, Suki" > > Joni is important! > > And so is Love & peace, > > Patti P. > > P.S. Yet another gift today. A grad student just back from her home in > the > Netherlands brought me some Droste's chocolate. NPIMH: Maybe I'll go to > Amsterdam...... > > P.S.S. Monika, are you here? Recently you said you can do something good > and get 15 people to say something nice, and then ONE PERSON says > something > negative and spoils it. That just happened. Boopsie, the Joni-hater in > my > dept., just came in and I showed her the book and she scowled and asked if > I > were seeing a therapist. I told her my analyst told me it's good to have > some passions in life, and she sniffed and said: "It's clearly over the > line into obsession." > > Harrumph! Some people! Joni was right encore une fois: There's always > somebody bringing you down. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Now you can see troublebefore he arrives > http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #299 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------