From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #295 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 1 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 295 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws (njc) [jeannie ] Re: My Bergman Blues [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Black and scarlett mark (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: My Bergman Blues [jeannie ] Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws (njc) [Debra Shea ] Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws (njc) ["AJ" ] Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws (njc) [Debra Shea ] Hotel California DVD [Mark-Leon Thorne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:36:50 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws (njc) I forgot to mention my respect for the lives of chickens and cocks, seriously, as weird as it comes off, as if it could be projected as somewhat comical. We must not forget the atrocities also commited by slaughterhouse corporations, on chickens and other animals, killed indecently, after a life a misery, such as Tyson Foods and all of those swinging-hot-spot, fast-food meat market conglamerates out their in our world. Jean Victor Johnson wrote: From the hsus.org factsheet: State Cockfighting Laws Cockfighting is illegal in 48 states and the District of Columbia, and all interstate transportation or export of cocks for fighting purposes is prohibited by the federal Animal Welfare Act. Thirty- three states and the District of Columbia have made cockfighting a felony offense, 32 states and the District of Columbia prohibit the possession of cocks for fighting, 41 states and the District of Columbia prohibit being a spectator at cockfights, and 10 states prohibit the possession of cockfighting implements. This information is current as of December 2006. [cock fighting will soon be illegal in Louisiana according to a recent article in June] 6. Do some states already have felony laws? Yes. Dogfighting is illegal in all 50 states and a felony offense in almost every state. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:19:52 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Go to Iraq and Fight, Mr. President RR wrote: > >I just heard on Democracy Now! that Bush wants to sell $20 billion worth of >high-tech armaments to >Saudi Arabia. Remember them? They were the ones >that flew those planes into those towers on 9/11. Good idea. >Attack the wrong country, arm the ones that did it. >Put the ports into the hands of a middle eastern country. >Makes you wonder which side he is really on. Impeach! Jail! Key: throw >away. Thanks for that, RR! It was on the "real" news (what most Americanos watch -- CBS, etc.) tonight, too. Unf@#$ingbelievable, isn't it? Did you say Jail? Key: throw away? TIC: I can't go back there anymore You know my keys won't fit the door You know my thoughts don't fit the man They never can they never can They never can. Peace, PP P.S. "The September 15 March on Washington DC will be taking the anti-war movement to a new level. This will not be a typical demonstration. These will be Days of Decision as General David Petraeus issues the Pentagon and White House report on September 15 insisting that the war must drag on for years to come. The September 15 Coalition, initiated by ANSWER, is broad and representative, and is organizing people from all over the country to descend on Washington at that critical moment." That's from: http://www.pephost.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8565&news_iv_ctrl=3361 _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Black and scarlett mark (njc) Hi Victor! I was reading the JMDL, ready to click on your post, when my sister called, asking about Afghan knitting and color coordinations. She was talking somewhat distracted, so I asked, "Are you watching a movie?" She said, "No, I'm watching a good baseball game with Tony and the girls," and then I heard the TV stadium noise over the phone and her popping into her mouth popcorn and I got that home-sweet-home feeling I knew that I would be missing. I asked, "Why would you be watching baseball after all this dog fight bs with this bastard, whatever his name is?" "No, Norma Jean, that's football!" and went on explaining the issues!" I stopped her, thought to myself out loud, "Oh, oh, that's what Victor's going to tell me under, 'Re: Black and scarlett mark (njc)' Said, "Bye!" and read your most informative and very pleasant-to-read writing piece Thank you, Victor! Enjoy the rest of the game!! Peace, jeannie PS: Believe me, I'd rather do away with football and never from baseball and I obviously don't know much about sports other than the little information that interests me, here or there. NP: Baseball Man: ~Ry Cooder~ ....the most beautiful baseball song, ever, from Chavez Ravine and the Dodger's Stadium.. Victor Johnson wrote: On Jul 31, 2007, at 7:42 PM, jeannie wrote: > > > It's a dirty blow to the African-American population > who have had more than enough racism to deal with > for so long. > It's a black and scarlett mark on the > sport of baseball. If you mean Michael Vick, he plays football for the Atlanta Falcons and he is definitely feeling the repercussions of his alleged involvement in dog fighting. He has already been banned from training camp and it is unlikely he will play this season at all, and questionable whether or not he ever play again period. It is a black mark for sure. Whatever his level of involvement was, he used extremely poor judgement and his endorsements are dropping like flies. Reebok has pulled all Vick products and the NFL has removed him completely from their online store. They are not tolerating this type of behavior and are making every effort to deal with the situation in an admirable fashion. Baseball, on the other hand, seems to be doing quite well, despite the fact this is being called the "question mark" era. Cal Ripken and Tony Gwyn, just entered into the hall of fame this past weekend, Barry Bonds is about to break Hank Aaron's homerun record, Tom Glavine is going for his 300th win, and Alex Rodriquez will become the youngest player ever to reach 500 homeruns. I'm not so keen on hotdogs but I love some good apple pie, with vanilla icecream...:) Victor NP: Braves vs. Astros - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:27:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: My Bergman Blues jeannie wrote: >>>My beloved, Ingmar Bergman, Goodnight1 Thanks, Jeannie. Here's something I wrote for another place that you've inspired me to share here. Michael Flaherty For the most part, mourning people I've never met seems odd to me; to mourn them as I would a loved one is downright distasteful. Therefore, without tears or change in my daily routine, I mourn Ingmar Bergman. He is my choice for the greatest film-maker in the genre's brief hiistory, and he is among my favorite artists of any era, regardless of genre. My life will continue on much the same without his living, but it would be drastically different, had he not lived and made films. Sometime in the 80s, The University of Minnesota had a Bergman film festival. It was a series of double features, one showing each, spread over two or three weeks. I went the first night out of curiosity. In the end, I attended every film of every evening. The presentation of people, seemingly real people, with their supressed emotions, and ambiguous motivations, was far beyond anything I had seen before, or, in a way, beyond anything I would see again. I think I became an English major more from Bergman's influence than any prose or stage or writer, and while I've come to prefer those forms to film in general, none succeed any more than Bergman did on his own terms. In recent years I've been buying remastered issues of his films on dvd--I have far more by Bergman than I do by any other film-maker combined--and most have interviews with him. He had made peace with the inevitable death that so concerned him as a young man. In his final film, Saraband, a character dreams of death: he sees his late wife, walking by a river. He runs to her. Then he realizes that he is dead and thinks: all that fuss, and this is all it is. I hope Ingmar Bergman found the peace he described in that scene. - --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:36:52 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Black and scarlett mark (njc) On Jul 31, 2007, at 10:20 PM, jeannie wrote: > > Thank you, Victor! > Enjoy the rest of the game!! Hi Jeannie, Thanks for your kind and humorous post! Yes, I can definitely say I love baseball with a passion whereas football, I certainly enjoy but not on the same level for sure. Baseball seems to have more of a mystique and an unpredictability to it and all the folklore and mythology of the game just draws me in. The Braves ended up winning tonight (12-4) and it was an especially exciting day as the Braves picked up the two unarguably best players who were available for trades, Mark Teixeira and Octavio Dotel. best, Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:43:57 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: My Bergman Blues That's beautiful, Michael! Listen, watch the waitress' black diamond earrings sparkle so brightly, Michael, as you mourn Bergman, in the silence. It's people like Bergman that open up many eyes from the blindness of the world. Thank you, Michael, for sharing and thank you, our dearly departed brother, Ingmar Bergman, for the very same gift of sharing truth and beauty. Michael Flaherty wrote: jeannie wrote: >>>My beloved, Ingmar Bergman, Goodnight1 Thanks, Jeannie. Here's something I wrote for another place that you've inspired me to share here. Michael Flaherty For the most part, mourning people I've never met seems odd to me; to mourn them as I would a loved one is downright distasteful. Therefore, without tears or change in my daily routine, I mourn Ingmar Bergman. He is my choice for the greatest film-maker in the genre's brief hiistory, and he is among my favorite artists of any era, regardless of genre. My life will continue on much the same without his living, but it would be drastically different, had he not lived and made films. Sometime in the 80s, The University of Minnesota had a Bergman film festival. It was a series of double features, one showing each, spread over two or three weeks. I went the first night out of curiosity. In the end, I attended every film of every evening. The presentation of people, seemingly real people, with their supressed emotions, and ambiguous motivations, was far beyond anything I had seen before, or, in a way, beyond anything I would see again. I think I became an English major more from Bergman's influence than any prose or stage or writer, and while I've come to prefer those forms to film in general, none succeed any more than Bergman did on his own terms. In recent years I've been buying remastered issues of his films on dvd--I have far more by Bergman than I do by any other film-maker combined--and most have interviews with him. He had made peace with the inevitable death that so concerned him as a young man. In his final film, Saraband, a character dreams of death: he sees his late wife, walking by a river. He runs to her. Then he realizes that he is dead and thinks: all that fuss, and this is all it is. I hope Ingmar Bergman found the peace he described in that scene. - --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. - --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:50:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws (njc) - --- jeannie wrote: > It's a dirty blow to the African-American > population What? What does one guy's wicked behavior have to do with millions of other people? > who have had more than enough racism to deal with > for so long. Yes. It shows up sometimes in the oddest ways. > It's a black and scarlett mark on the > sport of baseball. Vick is the quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons, a football team. No need to drag baseball into it. > If they don't fire that baseball player's > cocky ass, I fear baseball's demise coming on > and soccer could take over, which could be a > better thing. I wouldn't mind soccer (grace and finesse) replacing American football (brute force -- from my point of view). Baseball's my game. Last report I heard Vick's still got his job, which is hard to believe considering the gruesome and illegal activities he organized. Debra Shea ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:04:58 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: countdown to S H I N E Dear Suze wrote (egged on by Hey farmer farmer Marianne): Countdown.... 57 days! 57 things to do each day while waiting for SHINE August 1st - act out the real meaning of hump day August 2nd - find nearest Starbucks August 3rd - if overseas, phone a friend nearest a Starbucks August 4th - practice ordering your double mocha blah blah August 5th - sort sock drawer or go to church, you decide August 6th - listen again to SHINE sampler - especially Gratitude August 7th - You Tube search for song lyrics August 8th - 8/8 think of something great (Happy Birthday Amy) August 9th - use beano if cooking Mexican cuisine August 10th - write a letter of Gratitude to Ms. Mitchell for recording August 11th - bake cookies and send them to Mrs. Cameron August 12th - create a drum solo for Gratitude August 13th - watch for Letterman's top 10 list and steal ideas August 14th - sculpt joni 'bobble head' for mass consuption at Starbucks August 15th - reread article where joni is retiring from the music business August 16th - learn the steps to Fiddle and Drum August 17th - write lyrics for Gratitude August 18th - scour digest daily for references to Shine August 19th - decide if 'reuben' tipping is really a sport August 20th - prearrange your funeral, cuz you thought it would come before new Joni August 21st - search "Complete Poems and Lyrics" for typos August 22nd - double check marrianne's brownie recipe ingredient list August 23rd - become a member of the 'mile-high' club August 24th - study up to qualify for tough entrance exam for Miss America contest August 25th - religiously brush teeth after scarfing down entire bag of cheetos August 26th - paint by numbers to Gratitude August 27th - try to remember what the last original joni CD was August 28th - plot strategy to camp outside starbucks september 24th August 29th - back to school shopping August 30th - question Joni's release in a month following one with 31 days August 31st - put thinking cap on for September activities ***** Tres bien, Suze! NPIMH, pour toi: Neil Sedaka (he's cool, because he played at the Carnegie Hall Joni Tribute) Yeah, yeah, my heart's in a whirl I love, I love, I love my little calender girl Every day (every day), every day (every day) of the year But please let me add: September 15th: Go to to the big anti-war demonstration in DC (a dream that the wars are done) You people are all so wonderful. Baby, I'm amazed! Amazed. And over-stimulated ce soir. So many great posts, so little time to reply. Life is good in Joni-ville. Joy in Joni-ville. Sweet dreams, tout le Joni monde, Patti P. NPIMH: Everybody I love you Everybody I do (oh yes) Though your heart is an answer I need your love to get me through (oh yea, I really do now) When I tell you I love you (when I tell you) You can believe that it's true (oh yes it is) Everybody I love you Everybody I do (oh, yes I really do now...) _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:13:23 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws (njc) On Jul 31, 2007, at 10:50 PM, Debra Shea wrote: > > Last report I heard Vick's still got his job, which is > hard to believe considering the gruesome and illegal > activities he organized. > Actually for all practical purposes, Vick does not have his job. Joey Harrington is now the Falcons starting quarterback with Redman and Shockley competing for the backup spot. Vick has been banned from training camp by the NFL, who are still reviewing the indictment and entire case and will probably make a decision soon as to what action they will take. He is under contract to the Falcons- a year or so ago he signed a $130 million contract for something like 10 years - so it is not a viable option to them to just cut him though in retrospect, it was probably not a wise move for Arthur Blank. They are waiting to see how this unfolds. If Michael Vick is actually convicted with a felony, he may be in violation of his contract which would give the Falcons a way out without taking such a big hit. It would also prohibit him from ever playing in the NFL again...it is not looking good for Michael Vick, who still maintains his innocence. And since he is losing all his endorsements - Nike, Reebok, Rawlings, etc...he is losing millions of dollars already so he is losing quite a bit. Victor, JMDL correspondent in Atlanta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:17:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: countdown to S H I N E NJC Suze, Well done, well done - what a great day for humor and creativity on the JMDL this day. BUT I do have to object to this one: "August 25th - religiously brush teeth after scarfing down entire bag of cheetos" When you eat Cheetos, the problem is the dreaded "Cheetoh finger"; that is, that layer of orange that you have to scrape off the skin. As far as brushing, Fritos is much more inclined to make you do that. Of course, orange teeth are not real attractive either, now that I think about it. In either case, I would pay a HUGE sum of dough for a Joni Bobble-head statue. Bob NP: Dolly Parton, "Both Sides Now" - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:24:21 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 7/31/2007 8:14:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > > Smurf, I guess this means the cockfighting for Jonifest is out. > > Bob > I guess that is supposed to be funny....however it really isn't. Rick > You know, I don't even believe in capital punishment but I think I could almost pull the plug on Vick, if he is proved guilty. However, there is always--I hope--a place for dark humor in our culture. Rick, I'd suggest you read or re-read Swift's "A Modest Proposal," and perhaps you'll get a better handle on Bob's tone in this email. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:40:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: cockfighting & dogfighting laws (njc) - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > Actually for all practical purposes, Vick does not > have his job. ... Good reporting, Victor. I'm watching local news from Richmond and it's mostly about his activities here, and not much about what his Atlanta employer is doing. Debra Shea ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Court and Spark I remember hearing it for the first time on a beat up old record player..with one working speaker..I came across a box of records a dj friend of mine was throwing away and was intrigued by the album cover's warmth..I was a fan of joni at the time..(ok i only had clouds and wasn't quite schooled yet on her other works)..I played it first time all the way thru and bought the cd the next day..I wanted to hear what was supposed to be the scond part of the stereophonic sound(free man in paris .. car on a hill..etc all sound profoundly different with only one speaker..try it for fun..lol) Needless to say from then I on considered it to be a flawless album..It's the album that made me buy everything before it and sense..It grabs hold of you so tightly in the begining that by the time twisted is half way thru you dont know where time has gone...I find Hejira is a similar journey..only a little more complex..just the same these albums have an almost meditative quality..I give joni albums as gifts often.. I have recieved the most thanks for court and spark (and don juans reckless daughter respectively) I still get a kick out of playing someone car on a hill and during the instrumental break having my friends marvel at joni's voice blending with the horns and guitar..or watching the faces of my friends the first time they hear Trouble Child..joni wrote that song for sooo many people.. I am rambling .. obvioulsy I have alot of pent up joni in me.. : peace and love and light to you all.. kevin (the jersey one) lol - --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:28:47 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Hotel California DVD Hi folks. Thanks to Duarte in Portugal, I have a DVD of the recent BBC documentary, Hotel California. Los Angeles: From The Byrds To The Eagles to send on to somebody else. It's a great documentary that looks at the changing face of the music industry in Los Angeles from the late 60s to the late 70s. It features interviews with David Crosby, Graham Nash, David Geffen, Bonnie Raitt, Henry Diltz and JD Souther amongst others and archive footage of the Eagles, the Byrds, James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Joni Mitchell and Neil Young. It puts Joni in the perspective of what else was going on around her in LA and Laurel Canyon. She played an important role in culture of the area and the shaping of the music scene. Please write to me off list after the next digest comes to give everyone a fair chance. Once you have copied it, please off it up to the list again. If you can't copy DVDs, let me know and I will see what I can do. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #295 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------