From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #292 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 30 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 292 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc, Go to Iraq and Fight, Mr. President [jeannie ] A case of you ["Patti Parlette" ] SV: native american - joni ["Marion Leffler" ] SV: A case of you ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter ["Owen Duff" ] Re: A 'long' case of you [Motitan@aol.com] NJC A tip for us all...dream away...think big [Motitan@aol.com] Re: A case of you [Motitan@aol.com] Re: njc, Go to Iraq and Fight, Mr. President [Motitan@aol.com] Joni jokin' in the ole workplace ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: A 'long' case of you [jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: njc, Go to Iraq and Fight, Mr. President For this administration, the doves in the dungeon are the carnivorous vultures who are out of line, as these hawk-eyed militants from the Bush/Cheney Camp are not at all to blame. Patti, thanks for your words and the Olbermann link. Uncovering the truth, day after day, I see the hawks hiding like cowards behind their Bibles. At least Saddam Hussein showed his ruthlessness when he carried his rifle around and not the Koran. The Bush Camp should wear their true badges and guns on their arms, too. Jeannie Patti Parlette wrote: More about the war and the bloody changes: Go to Iraq and Fight, Mr. President By Keith Olbermann http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072007A.shtml If you haven't seen or read this yet, I highly recommend it. We need to stay pumped up, and this piece does it for me. It's pretty vitriolic. He shakes his fists at lightning now and *roars* like forest fire, so if you're not in the mood for that, be forewarned. A sample: "........The utter, blinkered idiocy of "staying the course," of sending Americans to Iraq and sending them a second time, and a third and a fourth, until they get killed or maimed - the utter de-prioritization of human life, simply so a politician can avoid having to admit a mistake - that had nothing to do with the tens of thousand individual tragedies darkening the lives of American families, forever...." Peace, Patti P. "It isn't enough to talk about peace. One must believe in it. And it isn't enough to believe in it. One must work at it." -- Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962) "Work it, work it, work it!" -- anonymous aerobics instructors _________________________________________________________________ - --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:52:04 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Case of you Hey There, Kevin! Which two of your views in, 'A Case Of You,' do you think Joni's revealing of her true self? Ruthlessness vs. What? Take Care, Jean amary559@aol.com wrote: Hi Marion I did intend to qul my statement by saying that there are a lot of mixed emotions being addressed through the song - angry, regret, sense of loss, etc. Certainly I feel when she sings?"I will still be on my feet" for the last it is?with a sense of trying to reconcile herself with the reality of it and to steel herself to move on - so I think there is ample room in Joni's prose to reconcile both views. Kevin? - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:55:12 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: A case of you Hi all, Kevin wrote: "As I was on a roll I remembered that anther posting said they could not understand the line from "Case of You" - why would you want to drink a case of you but still be on my feet". I see this as Joni's way of putting someone down bigtime. This shows that Joni can be ruthless: "constantly in the darkness...where's that at?...if you want me I'll be in the bar"; the image of being two-faced (bitter and sweet/ darkness and light). In contrast to Strange Boy" where love is the strongest poison and medicine of all the "love" that exists between her and her lover is now as strong as diet coke!" I beg to differ, Kevin! I think that what she means is that although he is "in her blood like holy wine" she will get over him and "still be on her feet". That's not putting somebody down as much as encouraging oneself to move on. Marion - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:40:55 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni and Righteous Babe Hi Allison, You are so right with what you are saying about Ani DiFranco and Righteous Babe Records. I feel that Joni would be right at home! I still have a Fortune Magazine article where they featured Ani and her label. She is a phenomenon in the music industry because of the way she's made her Indie label work. She and Joni teaming up would definitely be a "dream team". She has also been a tremendous help socially and has touched the life of our own Michael Paz and the organization he is affiliated with, Renew Our Music which seeks to aid New Orleans musicians who are trying to rebuild their lives after Hurricane Katrina (which is also still an ongoing process). So one of our own has reaped the benefits of her social consciousness. Sherelle Allison wrote: p.s. I've been burning the midnight oil, so, please excuse a few redundancies in my original posting - the essence of which, to use the sporting term, was to envision Joni and Ani as a record label "dream team" Righteous Babe has the distribution network to get physical CDs anywhere and everywhere, and it's also modern, and with it online; plus, the company is as socially conscious as it is financially successful now, if the Canucks could just get the right offense to combine with goalie Roberto Luongo, we really could get ourselves back to the Garden! peace, Ad _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Mocha-Joni-Latte I love the back and forth about where she is releasing HER NEW ALBUM!! Is it ok for me to give it a lil perspective? I mean two years ago I am sure most of us were worried we would never hear a new album at all.. :) A couple posts back someone mentioned their disatisfaction about where joni's 60's ideals went..she told us a long time ago.. "Last night the ghosts of my old ideas reran on channel 5" I can only imagine(born in 78) what people think now,who once thought they could literally change the world thru song or protest..My generation is about as disillusioned as it gets(or maybe I just speak for myself..) oh if only "dunkin donuts" had their own record label.. - - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:03:04 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Shine" Sampler Thanks for the sampler, Mark. Wow, Joni's playing piano again! ("Bad Dreams Are Good".) I wonder if "gratitude" is an instrumental or if it's an interlude in one of the other tracks. I hope we don't have to wait 20 years to hear all of it, (like with the instrumental on the Geffen box). Some things are better without words. THIS IS GREAT. It seems strange to have an album title without a subtitle. Is "Shine" is the shortest title since "Blue"? The gift goes on, Jim L. From: Mark-Leon Thorne >I decided to extract the little samples of songs from Shine...There are samples of six songs of varying length. One of the tracks' names doesn't correspond with the track list that Bob supplied. It is the instrumental that Joni called, "Gratitude" so that's the title I went with. It is probably track 1 or track two - One Week Last Summer or This Place.> http://arunaurl.com/k12 - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:11:32 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: Shine Sampler, now longing for September Sherelle a ecrit: > >I know you are saying "Sherelle dear student can you translate that >please?" Eeeks! Can't get all of the words but I read, "Mark, thank you so >much for your funny (gueules?) Marvelous! I am (abaisse devant?) your >greatness!" Tres bien, mon amie! "Mark, merci beaucoup pour les amuses gueules! Merveilleux! Je >>m'abaisse devant votre grandeur!" Love, actually (Hi Bene!), it says: "Mark, thank you very much for the "amuse throats" (idiomatic logic for appetizers, or little tasty morsels to whet your appetite for a sweeter fare to come). Marvelous! I bow before your greatness." Or something like that... Sherelle a continue: >Oh dear teacher! Help me fill in the blanks!!! I love this language so >much! > >I am laughing my butt off at your boss' comments! Ha! ha! I love them! I am >fortunate to have a Starbucks right across the street from my apartment >complex so I will make sure I get my copy of shine as well! > My department head rocks. I have been there 17 years (TIC: since I was 17, I've had no one over me) and she's the third one. In my life, I've loved them all, but they just seem to get better and better. OR, I'm getting better at training them to take me as I am. People know that when they come into my office they are entering the anti-war/Joni boho zone. It's a warm arrangement. There's a Joni sun show every second, too, on my computer -- the Joni screen saver, and people always make comments: "Wow. That's a beautiful painting. Who is that by?" and the gift goes on..... Happy Sunday to all....can you believe July is almost over? Before you know it it'll be end of summer, no more shiny hot nights....and then we will all SHINE on! NPIMH: See you in September, see you, when the summer's through, here we are, saying hello at the station....the lines will be open, good reception for Joni.....who needs the Starbucks static, it hurts the head.....now nobody drag their feet just to slow the circles down.....ooby shooby!) Love, Patti P., now with all these September song bars in her head Beating frantic and snowblind Romantic and snowblind in anticipation Hey (bright as a neon light), what about JT's September song? Works for me! (Ha! You thought I was signing off. So did I!) September Grass Lyrics Artist(Band):James Taylor Well, the sun's not so hot in the sky today And you know I can see summertime slipping on away A few more geese are gone, a few more leaves turning red But the grass is as soft as a feather in a featherbed So I'll be king and you'll be queen Our kingdom's gonna be this little patch of green (LITTLE GREEN!) Won't you lie down here right now In this September grass Won't you lie down with me now September grass Oh the memory is like the sweetest pain Yeah, I kissed the girl at a football game I can still smell the sweat and the grass stains We walked home together. I was never the same. But that was a long time ago And where is she now? I don't know (Joni's comin' home!) Won't you lie down here right now In this September grass Won't you lie down with me now September grass Oh, September grass is the sweetest kind It goes down easy like apple wine Hope you don't mind if I pour you some Made that much sweeter by the winter to come Do you see those ants dancing on a blade of grass? Do you know what I know? That's you and me, baby We're so small and the world's so vast We found each other down in the grass Won't you lie down with me right here September grass Won't you lie down with me now In this September grass Lie down Lie down Lie down Lie down Won't you lie down here right now In this September grass Won't you lie down here now In this September grass That's what I'm gonna do, I think. Go to the campus Starbucks and then find a little patch of green, lie down in the September grass and drink some sweet champagne and get the headphones turned up high and tune out the rest of the world....by a river flowing....just Joni and me....I'm in heaven, I get carried away........ But I just sit and wait. I'd rather concentrate On Joni Angel GONG! Get the hook! This chick is twisted. Okay, okay. I know. I'm sorry. I'll stop How do you stop? _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:31:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: "Shine" Sampler Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Thanks for the sampler, Mark. Wow, Joni's playing piano again! ("Bad > Dreams > Are Good".) And let's hope it doesn't become the "lost" version, a la Man From Mars. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you Hey Kevin & EveryOne, 'A Case Of You,' is one of my favorite songs of all time. The furthest thoughts in my mind, concerning this beautiful poem, is one of Joni being "ruthless" to her lover. Not much ruthlessness in any of Joni's ongoing themes, if you ask me. Yet, if there are, I do hope for others to differ and to direct me to those references of ruthlessness. I just don't see it! And even if Joni were being ruthless, maybe for just a minute, out of anger, it's like the theme of, "For Whom The Bells Toll," where all in love and war, everything is fair. As far as pushing ruthlessness, maybe the song, 'The Silky Veils Of Ardor,' may have subtle tinges, but it's more a lesson in survival for the fair and tender maidens not spruced up on the killing crimes that love can be, but that's it. Just look at the atrocities of this ongoing war with Iraq. A war with Iraq? Innocent civilians being murdered, by whomever, and nothing can be done. It's war, right? It's the worst imaginable dreaded nightmare come true for most here on the JMDL. For certain folks, such as Ted Nugent fans, the war may seem justified and just A-OK--'shoot 'em through your powerful baby's rifle's scope and try to make a bull's eye right smack-dab to those damned Iraqi heads." This is just one example of the ruthlessness of any war on the face of the Earth. Joni has been crying, "Study war no more" since the beginning. I felt ruthless when I had to say good-bye to lovers when I felt parting was necessary. The look in their eyes and the expressions on their faces pierced swords of sorrow down my spine and into my heart, like the pain of war...it's a certain sorrowful release like laughing and crying of different stratums. Others have no qualms concerning ruthlessness and I have felt that awful sting myself coming from uncaring humans. It's not necessary to hurt the ones who hurt you, causing the other to strike out, basically out of fear, like Joni says. I have never, ever felt true ruthlessness coming out of Joni's lines. It would bring tears to my eyes and soul if she would. I don't know if I'm making myself clear, Kevin. I hope I can just help you understand that Joni's not the vengeful little goddess with an ancient crown to fight. Besides, Joni like to speak parabolically, if you know what I mean. Take Care, Jeannie Seventeen glasses Rhine wine Milk of the Madonna Clandestine He don't let up the sorrow He lies and he cheats It takes a heart like Mary's these days When your man gets weak ~Joni~ PS: Good idea for a Sunday afternoon: The Hissing Of Summer Lawns Marion Leffler wrote: Hi all, Kevin wrote: "As I was on a roll I remembered that anther posting said they could not understand the line from "Case of You" - why would you want to drink a case of you but still be on my feet". I see this as Joni's way of putting someone down bigtime. This shows that Joni can be ruthless: "constantly in the darkness...where's that at?...if you want me I'll be in the bar"; the image of being two-faced (bitter and sweet/ darkness and light). In contrast to Strange Boy" where love is the strongest poison and medicine of all the "love" that exists between her and her lover is now as strong as diet coke!" I beg to differ, Kevin! I think that what she means is that although he is "in her blood like holy wine" she will get over him and "still be on her feet". That's not putting somebody down as much as encouraging oneself to move on. Marion - - --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:22:49 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: "Shine" Sampler > > THIS IS GREAT. It seems strange to have an album title without a > subtitle. Is "Shine" is the shortest title since "Blue"? > Nope, since Mingus. Mark in Sydney - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:38:52 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: "Shine" Sampler Yeah, I think it's wonderful that Joni is playing piano again too. In her interview with Amanda Ghost. Joni says that her inspiration for recording a new album is that she had four piano pieces in her head that she felt she needed to do something with. One of which was Gratitude. She also plays saxophone too. Mark in Sydney On 30/07/2007, at 2:03 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Thanks for the sampler, Mark. Wow, Joni's playing piano again! ("Bad > Dreams Are Good".) > > I wonder if "gratitude" is an instrumental or if it's an interlude in > one of the other tracks. I hope we don't have to wait 20 years to > hear all of it, (like with the instrumental on the Geffen box). Some > things are better without words. > > THIS IS GREAT. It seems strange to have an album title without a > subtitle. Is "Shine" is the shortest title since "Blue"? > > The gift goes on, > Jim L. > > > > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > >I decided to extract the little samples of songs from Shine...There > are samples of six songs of varying length. One of the tracks' names > doesn't correspond with the track list that Bob supplied. It is > the instrumental that Joni called, "Gratitude" so that's the title I > went with. It is probably track 1 or track two - One Week Last Summer > or This Place.> > > http://arunaurl.com/k12 - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:56:59 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you In a message dated 7/29/2007 4:56:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com writes: It's not necessary to hurt the ones who hurt you, causing the other to strike out, basically out of fear, like Joni says - - --------------------------------- Amen to that. However, it is easier said than done to not try and hurt the ones who hurt you. Often, out of anger (and really deep down, anger is hurt masked...it is easier to just be angry than to be "hurt" and let it be known) you do say or do things that you wouldn't to try and get back at someone. Usually afterwards (after cooling down) you wish you hadn't.... - - -M ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:00:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you Hi there, Monika. At 50 years of age, I've learned not to go through the guilt that comes on from doing that which brings me to the point of such anger, that I say or do things that I wish I hadn't. Feeling guilty is the pits and a grand bummer of the first degree. So, I've learned to play it cool, fool and if you care don't let 'em know. Not giving yourself away, is what I think you were reffering to concerning anger/hurt. Monika, patience is powerful and a gift and weapon to attain and maintain in this life, otherwise like Warren Zevon said, "Life'll kill 'ya and then you'll be dead" from all that stress... You have much wisdom for your young age and for those who desire to attain wisdom know the search is eternal because no one will ever have all the knowledge of the Universe. You'll see, hanging out with Joni will be upon to you a gift of wisdom, and more precious yet, because it's from a tender woman's wisdom and heart with many, many paint brush touches of love. Good night, Monika! Sincerely, Jeannie PS: Have you heard Joni's song, Love? Monika; said: dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com writes: It's not necessary to hurt the ones who hurt you, causing the other to strike out, basically out of fear, like Joni says - --------------------------------- Amen to that. However, it is easier said than done to not try and hurt the ones who hurt you. Often, out of anger (and really deep down, anger is hurt masked...it is easier to just be angry than to be "hurt" and let it be known) you do say or do things that you wouldn't to try and get back at someone. Usually afterwards (after cooling down) you wish you hadn't.... - -M - - --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. - - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:29:14 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Mocha-Joni-Latte Kevin, I've been talking to people of varying ages, from different countries, including our own, and they all say the same. "Everyone is disillusioned these days. No other choice than to tread where Angels fear to tread and to catch the beast right from the horns. Oh, and if Dunkin' Donuts had their own record label, it'd probably be some insanely successful business if it got into the hands of someone like Clive Davis and then I would call it, ;) Clive Davis' Dunkin' Donuts (; j PS: Clive could hire me to make up donut names after real big rock star names. KEVIN DOHENY wrote: I love the back and forth about where she is releasing HER NEW ALBUM!! Is it ok for me to give it a lil perspective? I mean two years ago I am sure most of us were worried we would never hear a new album at all.. :) A couple posts back someone mentioned their disatisfaction about where joni's 60's ideals went..she told us a long time ago.. "Last night the ghosts of my old ideas reran on channel 5" I can only imagine(born in 78) what people think now,who once thought they could literally change the world thru song or protest..My generation is about as disillusioned as it gets(or maybe I just speak for myself..) oh if only "dunkin donuts" had their own record label.. - - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. - - --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #228 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:04:14 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: A case of you Sherelle wrote: Also, him being "in her blood like holy wine" has always been a positive thing to me. Even though the love may be unrequited, she still feels it. This is something I've always loved about Joni and been inspired by with her. She has always been able to describe love in so many different and truthful ways. It's like a snapshot of her life at the time that clear, honest, and to the point. Listening to her music has given me the strength to get over love that has hurt me and the courage to look again. She sets the bar and in her own way tells us to do whatever we need to do to get the best love we can. *** Tres bien! But sometimes, don't you think that love is just mythical, Sherelle? Oh and love can be so sweet Love so sweet. And then again, of course, it's a repetitious danger. I think she sums it up best with this: And on love the strongest poison and medicine of all Just off of the top of my head, those. You KNOW there are more! In my search for love (the medicinal kind) that don't seem to cease, Patti P. P.S. I keep getting this message when I go to check MOA lyrics. Even though they are in my blood like holy wine, sometimes I have to doublecheck so I get them exactly right (must avoid Mitchellian mondegreen mortification at all times!) "The web site you are accessing has experienced an unexpected error. Please contact the website administrator." All the other lyrics seem to be there except MOA. So that's not too terrible, because you can find most of them in other secret places. _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:13:39 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: native american - joni Hear, hear! Jeanne said it so well, nothing has to be added. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr jeannie Skickat: den 30 juli 2007 16:03 Till: Marianne Rizzo; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: native american - joni I hear you, Ms. Rizzo! You just now made me realize Joni even has the NativeAmerican tonality, too, and I've always thought it to be strictly genetic. Marianne, you possess within yourself all those things you wish you had. Please, believe me. You've always had Paradise, so, never let it go. You don't live near those concrete jungle parking lots or in those flim-flam man pink hotels or shop at those bizarre bazaars or hang out at those bars where mad-men sit up making bombs and wars. And, Marianne, you also are held in great esteem. Love, Jeanne Marianne Rizzo wrote: I heard a native american woman being interviewed the other day on the radio. . and her voice reminded me of Joni in some way. the way the words are pronounced I guess this strikes me because I seem to hold native americans with highest esteem. . I often wish /dream that I have native blood. . . but maybe I am only native in my heart. . native americans and their reverence for the earth, animals, the sky, water, air, fire. . every bit of life. . the rocks the soil seven generations. . etc. land preservation reverence spirit that's all where it's all at. . and joni. . this is what joni seems to be about. . so when I hear joni's voice lately I seem to hear the native voice. "let the wind carry me. . ." bring me closer to all these things it's a spirituality. . etc.). . maybe I will make a list sometime Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 - --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:37:30 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: A case of you yes, Sherelle, I do agree, the song is about somebody breaking up with somebody she still loves. It has been one of my favourites forever. If he is in her blood like holy wine he is not somebody she will want to dispose of. But the love has been lost, she tells us in the first line, and they have to part. Yet she can drink a case of him and still be on her feet - she is confident it will not break her. She can love him and let him go nevertheless. When I first heard A case of you I had just broken up with a lover and was absolutely heartbroken. If I hadn't had that song to take encouragement from I don't know what would have happened. It just so happened that Blue was released at precisely the hardest time of my life (yet) and it had a good deal to do with me pulling through. Also, I think it's wonderful how we all recognize our own feelings in Joni's songs - but that's what makes her so great, the way she can put emotions into words and music, emotions so entirely her own and yet so universal. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Sherelle Smith Skickat: den 30 juli 2007 15:59 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: A case of you Wow! This shows how differently people can interpret the lyrics to a song. I have always felt that this song has one of the most romantic lines I've ever heard. I have always taken this line, "I could drink a case of you darlin...and still be on my feet, still be on my feet..." to mean that the amount of love she feels for this person is like a case of wine. She could drink it all and still want more. Also, him being "in her blood like holy wine" has always been a positive thing to me. Even though the love may be unrequited, she still feels it. This is something I've always loved about Joni and been inspired by with her. She has always been able to describe love in so many different and truthful ways. It's like a snapshot of her life at the time that clear, honest, and to the point. Listening to her music has given me the strength to get over love that has hurt me and the courage to look again. She sets the bar and in her own way tells us to do whatever we need to do to get the best love we can. Sherelle Marion wrote: Hi all, Kevin wrote: "As I was on a roll I remembered that anther posting said they could not understand the line from "Case of You" - why would you want to drink a case of you but still be on my feet". I see this as Joni's way of putting someone down bigtime. This shows that Joni can be ruthless: "constantly in the darkness...where's that at?...if you want me I'll be in the bar"; the image of being two-faced (bitter and sweet/ darkness and light). In contrast to Strange Boy" where love is the strongest poison and medicine of all the "love" that exists between her and her lover is now as strong as diet coke!" I beg to differ, Kevin! I think that what she means is that although he is "in her blood like holy wine" she will get over him and "still be on her feet". That's not putting somebody down as much as encouraging oneself to move on. Marion _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:47:47 +0000 From: "Owen Duff" Subject: Re: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter Hello all, Just had chance to catch up with this stuff, and I have been swayed by some (not all) of the contributions here. A lot of my reaction is certainly to do with how I think this makes Joni "look" to others . As I said, a lot of people in my social circle will be turned off the CD by the association with SB (because, rightly or wrongly, it has a bad image among them) which is a real shame, as I'd love for those people to love it. But whoever said that Joni feels she has a great piece work and sees this as a good way to get lots of people to hear it made a good point, and I can understand that. As for moral tone in my disappointment, my exact words were "makes her look like a massive hypocrite", which is not the same as accusing her of being one. Really, I can't criticise SB or Joni, because I don't and never will have enough information about either. All I can do is react to how it appears, I hope I didn't come across as doing anything more than that. On a related point - Bob, my boycotting of companies is rarely done for any other reasons than petty defiance! I don't expect it to make any difference at all (except to me) and, in the case of SB, it wasn't based on anything more than irritation at the prevalence of their stores in such a short space of time. It's more of a personal challenge really, and it's been 8 years now... not sure how I'm going to get around this one though. Regardless, I am really excited about "Shine", even if I have to ask someone else to buy it for me in order to satisfy my slightly OCD avoidance of Starbucks! That's all folks... O - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From:: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > To: "Owen Duff" > Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:55:14 -0400 You are correct in saying that I did not mean to offend you. I think (at least I hope) that most of us do the best we can regarding consumer decisions based on a variety of things. You don't have to look very hard into ANY corporation to find out that they're doing some things that you don't like. So, we all pick our battles, and yes, sometimes we have to compromise. I don't shop at Wal-Mart, but if I was traveling and a member of my family needed some medicine or something that I had to go into the Wal-Mart to get, damn straight I would run, not ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:42:37 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you In a message dated 7/30/2007 12:00:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com writes: You'll see, hanging out with Joni will be upon to you a gift of wisdom, and more precious yet, because it's from a tender woman's wisdom and heart with many, many paint brush touches of love. Good night, Monika! Sincerely, Jeannie PS: Have you heard Joni's song, Love? - ----------------------------------------------------- There are many things to be learned in Joni's music. She describes or says certain things that you yourself would never admit to or could never find the words to say. I think Joni has made a career out of articulating, certainly her feelings, but also the feelings of everyone who listens to her. You can relate. The couple of times I mentioned on this list playing Joni in my car and someone objecting to it or making a comment that is not necessary, I always tell them, "if you'd listen you might learn something." Oh, I have not heard the song Love. I do not own WTRF yet (someday soon). I said that I would go through Joni's album buying them and listening to them chronologically but often I want to cheat as far as the listening goes. I notice the library has quite a few albums from the 90's with songs I know (from DVDS and such) and like. To cheat or not to cheat? That is the question....(I have to check and see if they carry WTFR...) But since you mentioned the song "Love" the first thing I did was find the lyrics...I particularly like the lines, "if I didn't have love, I'd be nothing" and "love sees like a child sees." Although I speak in tongues Of men and angels I'm just sounding brass And tinkling cymbals without love Love suffers long Love is kind! Enduring all things Love has no evil in mind If I had the gift of prophecy And all the knowledge And the faith to move the mountains Even if I understood all of the mysteries If I didn't have love I'd be nothing Love never looks for love Love's not puffed up Or envious Or touchy Because it rejoices in the truth Not in iniquity Love sees like a child sees As a child I spoke as a child I thought and I understood as a child But when I became a woman I put away childish things And began to see through a glass darkly Where as a child I saw it face to face Now I only know it in part Fractions in me Of faith and hope and love And of these great three Love's the greatest beauty Love Love Love - -M ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:48:39 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: NJC A tip for us all...dream away...think big "Have you wondered exactly how high your hopes and dreams are? In many cases the average person tends to sell themselves short on their dreams. They do not shoot high enough to allow smaller dreams and goals to carry them to a higher level. Some may think that lots of words and phrases are a sign of a big thinker. One thing to remember is that the size of your vocabulary is not as important as what effect those words have on yours or someone elsebs thinking. There are several characteristics of big thinkers. These are three characteristics to keep in mind and get you started in expanding your thinking. Big Thinkers create positive pictures in their minds and the minds of others. Words create mind pictures. Big, positive and cheerful words will paint an amazingly bright and positive for anyone to include yourself. Use bright and cheerful complimenting words to describe other people. Big Thinkers make a habit of see things as they can be and not as they are. This kind of thinking adds value. Donbt get in the habit of being stuck in the present. If you will see the best then it will be the best. Use positive word to outline plans and build castles instead of trenches. Big Thinkers do not let what they may not have be an obstacle. If you see yourself as a nobody, that is what you will stay. Seeing yourself as a somebody will add to you, value and soon you will feel bigger as well as think bigger. Make it a habit to add value to everything you think and say. Always use personal compliments when addressing others. Praise is always a successful tool when adding value to another person. A big thinker will consider themselves as the member of a team reaching for a common goal. When you keep these things in mind then you are on your way to expanding the height and size of your thinking." - -Mon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:46:15 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: A case of you In a message dated 7/30/2007 11:14:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, loveuconn@hotmail.com writes: love the strongest poison and medicine of all - ----------------------------- From the first time I heard this line, it has been one of my favorite lines in a Joni song and in a song in general. She sums up something so perfectly here...something that deep down we all know....but would never be able to find the words or put the two thoughts together (love being poison and love being medicine). If that is not a truth of the world then I don't know what is! It is so eloquently phrased too! Amen to that. - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:56:09 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Go to Iraq and Fight, Mr. President Confucius said that when music and courtesy are understood better, there will be no more wars.... - -M ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:23:19 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni jokin' in the ole workplace In Prof. X's search for the perfect classroom (which don't seem to cease....sheesh!) we had this Joni rich exchange (seems to me). (At least he's never a telephone screamer, and is the best one at tolerating my JMOCD....LOL....he's the one I called at home once and said: "Hi. This is Joni Mitchell." And he went with it, played it cool, played it cool, saying: "Hi Joni! Where have you been? I've been trying your tunings and they are so hard to master!") At 04:55 PM 7/27/2007, he wrote: Does 215 have two doors, i.e., is it more appealing. Is that the nice high-tech room across from my office? That would be super!!! I will not make any Joni jokes, promise!!! And I replied: Yes, dear. That's the room. You are very very lucky with this! No more favors the rest of the year! And if you EVER make any Joni jokes or show her any disrespect whatsoever, your classes will be over in the horse barns! (Ach du Lieber...merde! Missed opportunity here: I should have also threatened that he'd be brushing out a brood mare's tail there while the sun is ascending.....a dreaded early early a.m. class time.) Now for your Joni erudition, here are some "joke" mentions in her lyrics: Borderline ... to be the night when All well-wishing ends? All credibility revoked? Thin skin thick jokes! Can we blame it on the smoke, This borderline? Every bristling shaft of pride ... Tax Free Front rooms Back rooms Slide into tables Crowd into bathrooms Joke around Cheap talk Deep talk Talk talk talk around the clock Crawl home Lie down Teeth chatter ... Furry Sings The Blues ... at you and says "I don't like you" Everybody laughs as if it's the old man's standard joke But it's true We're only welcome for our drink and smoke Dancin' Clown ... the woods He's just weak in self-defense 'Cause he's so thin skinned He can't take a joke at his expense "You're a push down window" says Rowdy ... Song For Sharon ... on my face There's a gypsy down on Bleecker Street I went in to see her as a kind of joke And she lit a candle for my love luck And eighteen bucks went up in smoke Sharon I ... **** Lately I wonder what I do it for. Now he'll be asking for push down windows! And a rainbow on the wall! Throwing the lightness on these things, Patti P., more JMOCDed than ever these days _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:21:26 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Starbucks Restless Daughter I found this in Sunday's Chicago Tribune, and had to share. Jack Pop (Machine) quiz July 29, 2007 1. What new comedy did Jim Carrey just sign on for? a. "Yes Man," about a guy who says "yes" to everything. b. "No Sir," about a guy who says "no" to everything. c. "The Why Guy," about a guy who must learn to quit compulsively asking, "Why?" d. "My Hair's on Fire!" about a guy whose hair is always on fire. 2. What songwriter/author duo just had their new "play with music" workshopped in New York? a. Bono and Michael Chabon b. John Mellencamp and Stephen King c. Patti Smith and Jonathan Franzen d. James Taylor and Toni Morrison 3. Who will be the subject of an upcoming E! Entertainment reality series promoted as "hilarious and heartwarming"? a. Joan Baez b. Andy Dick c. Snoop Dogg d. Ike Turner 4. Joni Mitchell is following Paul McCartney to become the second performer signed to Starbucks' recording label, Hear Music. What is the name of her upcoming album? a. "Drizzle" b. "Shine" c. "Venti" d. "The Hissing of Summer Espresso Machines" - - - - ANSWERS 1. a 2. b 3. c 4. b ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:30:05 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: A case of you Merci beaucoup mon amie! Do I feel that love is sometimes mythical? That's a good question Patti! I'm definitely going to have to mull over that one! I do know that love is all of the things you are describing and that's why I love Joni's lyrics so much. She knows how to paint a snapshot of her life while she experiencing all of these different phases of love. What is the feminine word for troubador? Trobadress? I'm not sure. That's how I feel about the way she writes and sings her songs. She speaks of love in such a personal way. She speaks of love as poisnonous medicine ("Jealous lovin'll make you crazy...if you can't find your goodness cause you lost your heart...) and also as the sweetest of the sweet, (my take on the lyrics, "I could drink a case of you...darlin...and still be on my feet...still be on my feet...). Such wonderful extremes! It all makes love what it is....a wonder. Love, Sherelle Patti wrote: >Sherelle wrote: > >Also, him being "in her blood like holy wine" has always been a positive >thing to me. Even though the love may be unrequited, she still feels it. >This is something I've always loved about Joni and been inspired by with >her. She has always been able to describe love in so many different and >truthful ways. It's like a snapshot of her life at the time that clear, >honest, and to the point. Listening to her music has given me the strength >to get over love that has hurt me and the courage to look again. She sets >the bar and in her own way tells us to do whatever we need to do to get the >best love we can. > >*** > >Tres bien! > >But sometimes, don't you think that love is just mythical, Sherelle? > > >Oh and love can be so sweet Love so sweet. > >And then again, of course, it's a repetitious danger. > >I think she sums it up best with this: > >And on love the strongest poison and medicine of all > >Just off of the top of my head, those. You KNOW there are more! > >In my search for love (the medicinal kind) that don't seem to cease, > >Patti P. > > >P.S. I keep getting this message when I go to check MOA lyrics. Even >though they are in my blood like holy wine, sometimes I have to doublecheck >so I get them exactly right (must avoid Mitchellian mondegreen >mortification at all times!) > >"The web site you are accessing has experienced an unexpected error. >Please contact the website administrator." > >All the other lyrics seem to be there except MOA. So that's not too >terrible, because you can find most of them in other secret places. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! >http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:42:28 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you - - > There are many things to be learned in Joni's > music. She describes or > says certain things that you yourself would never > admit to or could never find > the words to say. I think Joni has made a career > out of articulating, > certainly her feelings, but also the feelings of > everyone who listens to her. You > can relate. The couple of times I mentioned on > this list playing Joni in my > car and someone objecting to it or making a comment > that is not necessary, I > always tell them, "if you'd listen you might learn > something." > Oh, I have not heard the song Love. I do not > own WTRF yet (someday > soon). I said that I would go through Joni's album > buying them and listening to > them chronologically but often I want to cheat as > far as the listening goes. > I notice the library has quite a few albums from > the 90's with songs I know > (from DVDS and such) and like. To cheat or not to > cheat? That is the > question....(I have to check and see if they carry > WTFR...) Monika, this is what I suggest you do as far as listening to Joni's albums without any questions. I'm so happy for you, just beginning your Joni hejiras. Pick out what you want to hear from any of her albums, listen to intently and study everything about the songs you love the most and their meaning and her message. Concentrate on the artwork and photography from every album because there's always something in there to appreciate that will attract you and eventually steer you forward on which way feel like going over to next. Joni's ever-evolving work and patterns are knots of love and its pleasures and pains done with the needed determination of knitting a most difficult, yet the most beautiful, unique and the rarest of sweaters made from finest threads of silk, for all of us! And Joni's never really stopped knitting! And no one has ever been able to unravel her convictions and creations of truth and beauty. It's all so interconnected and every picture and word tells it's own story and you'll keep learning more and more about Joni, no matter which route you go. Love, Jean > But since you mentioned the song "Love" the > first thing I did was find > the lyrics...I particularly like the lines, "if I > didn't have love, I'd be > nothing" and "love sees like a child sees." > > Although I speak in tongues > Of men and angels > I'm just sounding brass > And tinkling cymbals without love > > Love suffers long > Love is kind! > Enduring all things > Love has no evil in mind > > If I had the gift of prophecy > And all the knowledge > And the faith to move the mountains > Even if I understood all of the mysteries > If I didn't have love > I'd be nothing > > Love never looks for love > Love's not puffed up > Or envious > Or touchy > Because it rejoices in the truth > Not in iniquity > Love sees like a child sees > > As a child I spoke as a child > I thought and I understood as a child > But when I became a woman > I put away childish things > And began to see through a glass darkly > > Where as a child I saw it face to face > Now I only know it in part > Fractions in me > Of faith and hope and love > And of these great three > Love's the greatest beauty > Love > Love > Love > -M > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak > peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. 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