From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #291 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 30 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 291 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- native american - joni ["Marianne Rizzo" ] njc, A 'long' case of you, now ruthlessness and war ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc, Beatles on CBS Sunday Morning ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Care of you [amary559@aol.com] Re: Care of you [amary559@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:06:06 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: native american - joni I heard a native american woman being interviewed the other day on the radio. . and her voice reminded me of Joni in some way. the way the words are pronounced I guess this strikes me because I seem to hold native americans with highest esteem. . I often wish /dream that I have native blood. . . but maybe I am only native in my heart. . native americans and their reverence for the earth, animals, the sky, water, air, fire. . every bit of life. . the rocks the soil seven generations. . etc. land preservation reverence spirit that's all where it's all at. . and joni. . this is what joni seems to be about. . so when I hear joni's voice lately I seem to hear the native voice. "let the wind carry me. . ." bring me closer to all these things it's a spirituality. . etc.). . maybe I will make a list sometime Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:31:06 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, A 'long' case of you, now ruthlessness and war Jeannie wrote in part: "Just look at the atrocities of this ongoing war with Iraq. " A war with Iraq? Innocent civilians being murdered, by whomever, and nothing can be done. It's war, right? It's the worst imaginable dreaded nightmare come true for most here on the JMDL. For certain folks, such as Ted Nugent fans, the war may seem justified and just A-OK--'shoot 'em through your powerful baby's rifle's scope and try to make a bull's eye right smack-dab to those damned Iraqi heads." This is just one example of the ruthlessness of any war on the face of the Earth. Joni has been crying, "Study war no more" since the beginning." **** Ruthless indeed. Excellent choice of words. When Howard Zinn came to UConn, I wanted so badly to ask him in the Q & A session after his talk if he thought this was the worst administration in history, but I didn't get the chance (TIC: last chance lost). Later I read (I forget where, sorry....but I know I read it -- I swear to Joni!) that "this administration is the most ruthless" in American history. Crying "study war no more" with Joni since 1968 ("a dream that the wars are done"), Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:46:40 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Go to Iraq and Fight, Mr. President More about the war and the bloody changes: Go to Iraq and Fight, Mr. President By Keith Olbermann http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072007A.shtml If you haven't seen or read this yet, I highly recommend it. We need to stay pumped up, and this piece does it for me. It's pretty vitriolic. He shakes his fists at lightning now and *roars* like forest fire, so if you're not in the mood for that, be forewarned. A sample: "........The utter, blinkered idiocy of "staying the course," of sending Americans to Iraq and sending them a second time, and a third and a fourth, until they get killed or maimed - the utter de-prioritization of human life, simply so a politician can avoid having to admit a mistake - that had nothing to do with the tens of thousand individual tragedies darkening the lives of American families, forever...." Peace, Patti P. "It isn't enough to talk about peace. One must believe in it. And it isn't enough to believe in it. One must work at it." -- Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962) "Work it, work it, work it!" -- anonymous aerobics instructors _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:59:03 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: A case of you Wow! This shows how differently people can interpret the lyrics to a song. I have always felt that this song has one of the most romantic lines I've ever heard. I have always taken this line, "I could drink a case of you darlin...and still be on my feet, still be on my feet..." to mean that the amount of love she feels for this person is like a case of wine. She could drink it all and still want more. Also, him being "in her blood like holy wine" has always been a positive thing to me. Even though the love may be unrequited, she still feels it. This is something I've always loved about Joni and been inspired by with her. She has always been able to describe love in so many different and truthful ways. It's like a snapshot of her life at the time that clear, honest, and to the point. Listening to her music has given me the strength to get over love that has hurt me and the courage to look again. She sets the bar and in her own way tells us to do whatever we need to do to get the best love we can. Sherelle Marion wrote: Hi all, Kevin wrote: "As I was on a roll I remembered that anther posting said they could not understand the line from "Case of You" - why would you want to drink a case of you but still be on my feet". I see this as Joni's way of putting someone down bigtime. This shows that Joni can be ruthless: "constantly in the darkness...where's that at?...if you want me I'll be in the bar"; the image of being two-faced (bitter and sweet/ darkness and light). In contrast to Strange Boy" where love is the strongest poison and medicine of all the "love" that exists between her and her lover is now as strong as diet coke!" I beg to differ, Kevin! I think that what she means is that although he is "in her blood like holy wine" she will get over him and "still be on her feet". That's not putting somebody down as much as encouraging oneself to move on. Marion _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:02:01 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, Beatles on CBS Sunday Morning Oh man!!! I'm so sorry I missed that!!! Way to go Judy and David! I have been very lax lately in watching one of my favorite shows!!!! Sherelle Jerry wrote: Excellent story on my favorite news program. Last week they interviewed Judy Kreston, the wife of our very own David Lahm! Jerry _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: native american - joni I hear you, Ms. Rizzo! You just now made me realize Joni even has the NativeAmerican tonality, too, and I've always thought it to be strictly genetic. Marianne, you possess within yourself all those things you wish you had. Please, believe me. You've always had Paradise, so, never let it go. You don't live near those concrete jungle parking lots or in those flim-flam man pink hotels or shop at those bizarre bazaars or hang out at those bars where mad-men sit up making bombs and wars. And, Marianne, you also are held in great esteem. Love, Jeanne Marianne Rizzo wrote: I heard a native american woman being interviewed the other day on the radio. . and her voice reminded me of Joni in some way. the way the words are pronounced I guess this strikes me because I seem to hold native americans with highest esteem. . I often wish /dream that I have native blood. . . but maybe I am only native in my heart. . native americans and their reverence for the earth, animals, the sky, water, air, fire. . every bit of life. . the rocks the soil seven generations. . etc. land preservation reverence spirit that's all where it's all at. . and joni. . this is what joni seems to be about. . so when I hear joni's voice lately I seem to hear the native voice. "let the wind carry me. . ." bring me closer to all these things it's a spirituality. . etc.). . maybe I will make a list sometime Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 - --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:10:08 -0400 From: amary559@aol.com Subject: Re: Care of you Hi Marion I did intend to qul my statement by saying that there are a lot of mixed emotions being addressed through the song - angry, regret, sense of loss, etc. Certainly I feel when she sings?"I will still be on my feet" for the last it is?with a sense of trying to reconcile herself with the reality of it and to steel herself to move on - so I think there is ample room in Joni's prose to reconcile both views. Kevin? - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:55:12 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: A case of you Hi all, Kevin wrote: "As I was on a roll I remembered that anther posting said they could not understand the line from "Case of You" - why would you want to drink a case of you but still be on my feet". I see this as Joni's way of putting someone down bigtime. This shows that Joni can be ruthless: "constantly in the darkness...where's that at?...if you want me I'll be in the bar"; the image of being two-faced (bitter and sweet/ darkness and light). In contrast to Strange Boy" where love is the strongest poison and medicine of all the "love" that exists between her and her lover is now as strong as diet coke!" I beg to differ, Kevin! I think that what she means is that although he is "in her blood like holy wine" she will get over him and "still be on her feet". That's not putting somebody down as much as encouraging oneself to move on. Marion - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:40:55 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni and Righteous Babe Hi Allison, You are so right with what you are saying about Ani DiFranco and Righteous Babe Records. I feel that Joni would be right at home! I still have a Fortune Magazine article where they featured Ani and her label. She is a phenomenon in the music industry because of the way she's made her Indie label work. She and Joni teaming up would definitely be a "dream team". She has also been a tremendous help socially and has touched the life of our own Michael Paz and the organization he is affiliated with, Renew Our Music which seeks to aid New Orleans musicians who are trying to rebuild their lives after Hurricane Katrina (which is also still an ongoing process). So one of our own has reaped the benefits of her social consciousness. Sherelle Allison wrote: p.s. I've been burning the midnight oil, so, please excuse a few redundancies in my original posting - the essence of which, to use the sporting term, was to envision Joni and Ani as a record label "dream team" Righteous Babe has the distribution network to get physical CDs anywhere and everywhere, and it's also modern, and with it online; plus, the company is as socially conscious as it is financially successful now, if the Canucks could just get the right offense to combine with goalie Roberto Luongo, we really could get ourselves back to the Garden! peace, Ad _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Mocha-Joni-Latte I love the back and forth about where she is releasing HER NEW ALBUM!! Is it ok for me to give it a lil perspective? I mean two years ago I am sure most of us were worried we would never hear a new album at all.. :) A couple posts back someone mentioned their disatisfaction about where joni's 60's ideals went..she told us a long time ago.. "Last night the ghosts of my old ideas reran on channel 5" I can only imagine(born in 78) what people think now,who once thought they could literally change the world thru song or protest..My generation is about as disillusioned as it gets(or maybe I just speak for myself..) oh if only "dunkin donuts" had their own record label.. - - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:03:04 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Shine" Sampler Thanks for the sampler, Mark. Wow, Joni's playing piano again! ("Bad Dreams Are Good".) I wonder if "gratitude" is an instrumental or if it's an interlude in one of the other tracks. I hope we don't have to wait 20 years to hear all of it, (like with the instrumental on the Geffen box). Some things are better without words. THIS IS GREAT. It seems strange to have an album title without a subtitle. Is "Shine" is the shortest title since "Blue"? The gift goes on, Jim L. From: Mark-Leon Thorne >I decided to extract the little samples of songs from Shine...There are samples of six songs of varying length. One of the tracks' names doesn't correspond with the track list that Bob supplied. It is the instrumental that Joni called, "Gratitude" so that's the title I went with. It is probably track 1 or track two - One Week Last Summer or This Place.> http://arunaurl.com/k12 - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:11:32 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: Shine Sampler, now longing for September Sherelle a ecrit: > >I know you are saying "Sherelle dear student can you translate that >please?" Eeeks! Can't get all of the words but I read, "Mark, thank you so >much for your funny (gueules?) Marvelous! I am (abaisse devant?) your >greatness!" Tres bien, mon amie! "Mark, merci beaucoup pour les amuses gueules! Merveilleux! Je >>m'abaisse devant votre grandeur!" Love, actually (Hi Bene!), it says: "Mark, thank you very much for the "amuse throats" (idiomatic logic for appetizers, or little tasty morsels to whet your appetite for a sweeter fare to come). Marvelous! I bow before your greatness." Or something like that... Sherelle a continue: >Oh dear teacher! Help me fill in the blanks!!! I love this language so >much! > >I am laughing my butt off at your boss' comments! Ha! ha! I love them! I am >fortunate to have a Starbucks right across the street from my apartment >complex so I will make sure I get my copy of shine as well! > My department head rocks. I have been there 17 years (TIC: since I was 17, I've had no one over me) and she's the third one. In my life, I've loved them all, but they just seem to get better and better. OR, I'm getting better at training them to take me as I am. People know that when they come into my office they are entering the anti-war/Joni boho zone. It's a warm arrangement. There's a Joni sun show every second, too, on my computer -- the Joni screen saver, and people always make comments: "Wow. That's a beautiful painting. Who is that by?" and the gift goes on..... Happy Sunday to all....can you believe July is almost over? Before you know it it'll be end of summer, no more shiny hot nights....and then we will all SHINE on! NPIMH: See you in September, see you, when the summer's through, here we are, saying hello at the station....the lines will be open, good reception for Joni.....who needs the Starbucks static, it hurts the head.....now nobody drag their feet just to slow the circles down.....ooby shooby!) Love, Patti P., now with all these September song bars in her head Beating frantic and snowblind Romantic and snowblind in anticipation Hey (bright as a neon light), what about JT's September song? Works for me! (Ha! You thought I was signing off. So did I!) September Grass Lyrics Artist(Band):James Taylor Well, the sun's not so hot in the sky today And you know I can see summertime slipping on away A few more geese are gone, a few more leaves turning red But the grass is as soft as a feather in a featherbed So I'll be king and you'll be queen Our kingdom's gonna be this little patch of green (LITTLE GREEN!) Won't you lie down here right now In this September grass Won't you lie down with me now September grass Oh the memory is like the sweetest pain Yeah, I kissed the girl at a football game I can still smell the sweat and the grass stains We walked home together. I was never the same. But that was a long time ago And where is she now? I don't know (Joni's comin' home!) Won't you lie down here right now In this September grass Won't you lie down with me now September grass Oh, September grass is the sweetest kind It goes down easy like apple wine Hope you don't mind if I pour you some Made that much sweeter by the winter to come Do you see those ants dancing on a blade of grass? Do you know what I know? That's you and me, baby We're so small and the world's so vast We found each other down in the grass Won't you lie down with me right here September grass Won't you lie down with me now In this September grass Lie down Lie down Lie down Lie down Won't you lie down here right now In this September grass Won't you lie down here now In this September grass That's what I'm gonna do, I think. Go to the campus Starbucks and then find a little patch of green, lie down in the September grass and drink some sweet champagne and get the headphones turned up high and tune out the rest of the world....by a river flowing....just Joni and me....I'm in heaven, I get carried away........ But I just sit and wait. I'd rather concentrate On Joni Angel GONG! Get the hook! This chick is twisted. Okay, okay. I know. I'm sorry. I'll stop How do you stop? _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:31:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: "Shine" Sampler Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Thanks for the sampler, Mark. Wow, Joni's playing piano again! ("Bad > Dreams > Are Good".) And let's hope it doesn't become the "lost" version, a la Man From Mars. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you Hey Kevin & EveryOne, 'A Case Of You,' is one of my favorite songs of all time. The furthest thoughts in my mind, concerning this beautiful poem, is one of Joni being "ruthless" to her lover. Not much ruthlessness in any of Joni's ongoing themes, if you ask me. Yet, if there are, I do hope for others to differ and to direct me to those references of ruthlessness. I just don't see it! And even if Joni were being ruthless, maybe for just a minute, out of anger, it's like the theme of, "For Whom The Bells Toll," where all in love and war, everything is fair. As far as pushing ruthlessness, maybe the song, 'The Silky Veils Of Ardor,' may have subtle tinges, but it's more a lesson in survival for the fair and tender maidens not spruced up on the killing crimes that love can be, but that's it. Just look at the atrocities of this ongoing war with Iraq. A war with Iraq? Innocent civilians being murdered, by whomever, and nothing can be done. It's war, right? It's the worst imaginable dreaded nightmare come true for most here on the JMDL. For certain folks, such as Ted Nugent fans, the war may seem justified and just A-OK--'shoot 'em through your powerful baby's rifle's scope and try to make a bull's eye right smack-dab to those damned Iraqi heads." This is just one example of the ruthlessness of any war on the face of the Earth. Joni has been crying, "Study war no more" since the beginning. I felt ruthless when I had to say good-bye to lovers when I felt parting was necessary. The look in their eyes and the expressions on their faces pierced swords of sorrow down my spine and into my heart, like the pain of war...it's a certain sorrowful release like laughing and crying of different stratums. Others have no qualms concerning ruthlessness and I have felt that awful sting myself coming from uncaring humans. It's not necessary to hurt the ones who hurt you, causing the other to strike out, basically out of fear, like Joni says. I have never, ever felt true ruthlessness coming out of Joni's lines. It would bring tears to my eyes and soul if she would. I don't know if I'm making myself clear, Kevin. I hope I can just help you understand that Joni's not the vengeful little goddess with an ancient crown to fight. Besides, Joni like to speak parabolically, if you know what I mean. Take Care, Jeannie Seventeen glasses Rhine wine Milk of the Madonna Clandestine He don't let up the sorrow He lies and he cheats It takes a heart like Mary's these days When your man gets weak ~Joni~ PS: Good idea for a Sunday afternoon: The Hissing Of Summer Lawns Marion Leffler wrote: Hi all, Kevin wrote: "As I was on a roll I remembered that anther posting said they could not understand the line from "Case of You" - why would you want to drink a case of you but still be on my feet". I see this as Joni's way of putting someone down bigtime. This shows that Joni can be ruthless: "constantly in the darkness...where's that at?...if you want me I'll be in the bar"; the image of being two-faced (bitter and sweet/ darkness and light). In contrast to Strange Boy" where love is the strongest poison and medicine of all the "love" that exists between her and her lover is now as strong as diet coke!" I beg to differ, Kevin! I think that what she means is that although he is "in her blood like holy wine" she will get over him and "still be on her feet". That's not putting somebody down as much as encouraging oneself to move on. Marion - - --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:22:49 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: "Shine" Sampler > > THIS IS GREAT. It seems strange to have an album title without a > subtitle. Is "Shine" is the shortest title since "Blue"? > Nope, since Mingus. Mark in Sydney - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:38:52 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: "Shine" Sampler Yeah, I think it's wonderful that Joni is playing piano again too. In her interview with Amanda Ghost. Joni says that her inspiration for recording a new album is that she had four piano pieces in her head that she felt she needed to do something with. One of which was Gratitude. She also plays saxophone too. Mark in Sydney On 30/07/2007, at 2:03 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Thanks for the sampler, Mark. Wow, Joni's playing piano again! ("Bad > Dreams Are Good".) > > I wonder if "gratitude" is an instrumental or if it's an interlude in > one of the other tracks. I hope we don't have to wait 20 years to > hear all of it, (like with the instrumental on the Geffen box). Some > things are better without words. > > THIS IS GREAT. It seems strange to have an album title without a > subtitle. Is "Shine" is the shortest title since "Blue"? > > The gift goes on, > Jim L. > > > > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > >I decided to extract the little samples of songs from Shine...There > are samples of six songs of varying length. One of the tracks' names > doesn't correspond with the track list that Bob supplied. It is > the instrumental that Joni called, "Gratitude" so that's the title I > went with. It is probably track 1 or track two - One Week Last Summer > or This Place.> > > http://arunaurl.com/k12 - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:56:59 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you In a message dated 7/29/2007 4:56:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com writes: It's not necessary to hurt the ones who hurt you, causing the other to strike out, basically out of fear, like Joni says - - --------------------------------- Amen to that. However, it is easier said than done to not try and hurt the ones who hurt you. Often, out of anger (and really deep down, anger is hurt masked...it is easier to just be angry than to be "hurt" and let it be known) you do say or do things that you wouldn't to try and get back at someone. Usually afterwards (after cooling down) you wish you hadn't.... - - -M ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:00:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you Hi there, Monika. At 50 years of age, I've learned not to go through the guilt that comes on from doing that which brings me to the point of such anger, that I say or do things that I wish I hadn't. Feeling guilty is the pits and a grand bummer of the first degree. So, I've learned to play it cool, fool and if you care don't let 'em know. Not giving yourself away, is what I think you were reffering to concerning anger/hurt. Monika, patience is powerful and a gift and weapon to attain and maintain in this life, otherwise like Warren Zevon said, "Life'll kill 'ya and then you'll be dead" from all that stress... You have much wisdom for your young age and for those who desire to attain wisdom know the search is eternal because no one will ever have all the knowledge of the Universe. You'll see, hanging out with Joni will be upon to you a gift of wisdom, and more precious yet, because it's from a tender woman's wisdom and heart with many, many paint brush touches of love. Good night, Monika! Sincerely, Jeannie PS: Have you heard Joni's song, Love? Monika; said: dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com writes: It's not necessary to hurt the ones who hurt you, causing the other to strike out, basically out of fear, like Joni says --------------------------------- Amen to that. However, it is easier said than done to not try and hurt the ones who hurt you. Often, out of anger (and really deep down, anger is hurt masked...it is easier to just be angry than to be "hurt" and let it be known) you do say or do things that you wouldn't to try and get back at someone. Usually afterwards (after cooling down) you wish you hadn't.... -M - - --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. - - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:29:14 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Mocha-Joni-Latte Kevin, I've been talking to people of varying ages, from different countries, including our own, and they all say the same. "Everyone is disillusioned these days. No other choice than to tread where Angels fear to tread and to catch the beast right from the horns. Oh, and if Dunkin' Donuts had their own record label, it'd probably be some insanely successful business if it got into the hands of someone like Clive Davis and then I would call it, ;) Clive Davis' Dunkin' Donuts (; j PS: Clive could hire me to make up donut names after real big rock star names. KEVIN DOHENY wrote: I love the back and forth about where she is releasing HER NEW ALBUM!! Is it ok for me to give it a lil perspective? I mean two years ago I am sure most of us were worried we would never hear a new album at all.. :) A couple posts back someone mentioned their disatisfaction about where joni's 60's ideals went..she told us a long time ago.. "Last night the ghosts of my old ideas reran on channel 5" I can only imagine(born in 78) what people think now,who once thought they could literally change the world thru song or protest..My generation is about as disillusioned as it gets(or maybe I just speak for myself..) oh if only "dunkin donuts" had their own record label.. - - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. - - --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #228 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:10:38 -0400 From: amary559@aol.com Subject: Re: Care of you Hi Marion I did intend to qualify my statement by saying that there are a lot of mixed emotions being addressed through the song - angry, regret, sense of loss, etc. Certainly I feel when she sings?"I will still be on my feet" for the last it is?with a sense of trying to reconcile herself with the reality of it and to steel herself to move on - so I think there is ample room in Joni's prose to reconcile both views. Kevin? - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:55:12 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: A case of you Hi all, Kevin wrote: "As I was on a roll I remembered that anther posting said they could not understand the line from "Case of You" - why would you want to drink a case of you but still be on my feet". I see this as Joni's way of putting someone down bigtime. This shows that Joni can be ruthless: "constantly in the darkness...where's that at?...if you want me I'll be in the bar"; the image of being two-faced (bitter and sweet/ darkness and light). In contrast to Strange Boy" where love is the strongest poison and medicine of all the "love" that exists between her and her lover is now as strong as diet coke!" I beg to differ, Kevin! I think that what she means is that although he is "in her blood like holy wine" she will get over him and "still be on her feet". That's not putting somebody down as much as encouraging oneself to move on. Marion - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:40:55 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni and Righteous Babe Hi Allison, You are so right with what you are saying about Ani DiFranco and Righteous Babe Records. I feel that Joni would be right at home! I still have a Fortune Magazine article where they featured Ani and her label. She is a phenomenon in the music industry because of the way she's made her Indie label work. She and Joni teaming up would definitely be a "dream team". She has also been a tremendous help socially and has touched the life of our own Michael Paz and the organization he is affiliated with, Renew Our Music which seeks to aid New Orleans musicians who are trying to rebuild their lives after Hurricane Katrina (which is also still an ongoing process). So one of our own has reaped the benefits of her social consciousness. Sherelle Allison wrote: p.s. I've been burning the midnight oil, so, please excuse a few redundancies in my original posting - the essence of which, to use the sporting term, was to envision Joni and Ani as a record label "dream team" Righteous Babe has the distribution network to get physical CDs anywhere and everywhere, and it's also modern, and with it online; plus, the company is as socially conscious as it is financially successful now, if the Canucks could just get the right offense to combine with goalie Roberto Luongo, we really could get ourselves back to the Garden! peace, Ad _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Mocha-Joni-Latte I love the back and forth about where she is releasing HER NEW ALBUM!! Is it ok for me to give it a lil perspective? I mean two years ago I am sure most of us were worried we would never hear a new album at all.. :) A couple posts back someone mentioned their disatisfaction about where joni's 60's ideals went..she told us a long time ago.. "Last night the ghosts of my old ideas reran on channel 5" I can only imagine(born in 78) what people think now,who once thought they could literally change the world thru song or protest..My generation is about as disillusioned as it gets(or maybe I just speak for myself..) oh if only "dunkin donuts" had their own record label.. - - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:03:04 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Shine" Sampler Thanks for the sampler, Mark. Wow, Joni's playing piano again! ("Bad Dreams Are Good".) I wonder if "gratitude" is an instrumental or if it's an interlude in one of the other tracks. I hope we don't have to wait 20 years to hear all of it, (like with the instrumental on the Geffen box). Some things are better without words. THIS IS GREAT. It seems strange to have an album title without a subtitle. Is "Shine" is the shortest title since "Blue"? The gift goes on, Jim L. From: Mark-Leon Thorne >I decided to extract the little samples of songs from Shine...There are samples of six songs of varying length. One of the tracks' names doesn't correspond with the track list that Bob supplied. It is the instrumental that Joni called, "Gratitude" so that's the title I went with. It is probably track 1 or track two - One Week Last Summer or This Place.> http://arunaurl.com/k12 - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:11:32 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: Shine Sampler, now longing for September Sherelle a ecrit: > >I know you are saying "Sherelle dear student can you translate that >please?" Eeeks! Can't get all of the words but I read, "Mark, thank you so >much for your funny (gueules?) Marvelous! I am (abaisse devant?) your >greatness!" Tres bien, mon amie! "Mark, merci beaucoup pour les amuses gueules! Merveilleux! Je >>m'abaisse devant votre grandeur!" Love, actually (Hi Bene!), it says: "Mark, thank you very much for the "amuse throats" (idiomatic logic for appetizers, or little tasty morsels to whet your appetite for a sweeter fare to come). Marvelous! I bow before your greatness." Or something like that... Sherelle a continue: >Oh dear teacher! Help me fill in the blanks!!! I love this language so >much! > >I am laughing my butt off at your boss' comments! Ha! ha! I love them! I am >fortunate to have a Starbucks right across the street from my apartment >complex so I will make sure I get my copy of shine as well! > My department head rocks. I have been there 17 years (TIC: since I was 17, I've had no one over me) and she's the third one. In my life, I've loved them all, but they just seem to get better and better. OR, I'm getting better at training them to take me as I am. People know that when they come into my office they are entering the anti-war/Joni boho zone. It's a warm arrangement. There's a Joni sun show every second, too, on my computer -- the Joni screen saver, and people always make comments: "Wow. That's a beautiful painting. Who is that by?" and the gift goes on..... Happy Sunday to all....can you believe July is almost over? Before you know it it'll be end of summer, no more shiny hot nights....and then we will all SHINE on! NPIMH: See you in September, see you, when the summer's through, here we are, saying hello at the station....the lines will be open, good reception for Joni.....who needs the Starbucks static, it hurts the head.....now nobody drag their feet just to slow the circles down.....ooby shooby!) Love, Patti P., now with all these September song bars in her head Beating frantic and snowblind Romantic and snowblind in anticipation Hey (bright as a neon light), what about JT's September song? Works for me! (Ha! You thought I was signing off. So did I!) September Grass Lyrics Artist(Band):James Taylor Well, the sun's not so hot in the sky today And you know I can see summertime slipping on away A few more geese are gone, a few more leaves turning red But the grass is as soft as a feather in a featherbed So I'll be king and you'll be queen Our kingdom's gonna be this little patch of green (LITTLE GREEN!) Won't you lie down here right now In this September grass Won't you lie down with me now September grass Oh the memory is like the sweetest pain Yeah, I kissed the girl at a football game I can still smell the sweat and the grass stains We walked home together. I was never the same. But that was a long time ago And where is she now? I don't know (Joni's comin' home!) Won't you lie down here right now In this September grass Won't you lie down with me now September grass Oh, September grass is the sweetest kind It goes down easy like apple wine Hope you don't mind if I pour you some Made that much sweeter by the winter to come Do you see those ants dancing on a blade of grass? Do you know what I know? That's you and me, baby We're so small and the world's so vast We found each other down in the grass Won't you lie down with me right here September grass Won't you lie down with me now In this September grass Lie down Lie down Lie down Lie down Won't you lie down here right now In this September grass Won't you lie down here now In this September grass That's what I'm gonna do, I think. Go to the campus Starbucks and then find a little patch of green, lie down in the September grass and drink some sweet champagne and get the headphones turned up high and tune out the rest of the world....by a river flowing....just Joni and me....I'm in heaven, I get carried away........ But I just sit and wait. I'd rather concentrate On Joni Angel GONG! Get the hook! This chick is twisted. Okay, okay. I know. I'm sorry. I'll stop How do you stop? _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:31:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: "Shine" Sampler Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Thanks for the sampler, Mark. Wow, Joni's playing piano again! ("Bad > Dreams > Are Good".) And let's hope it doesn't become the "lost" version, a la Man From Mars. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you Hey Kevin & EveryOne, 'A Case Of You,' is one of my favorite songs of all time. The furthest thoughts in my mind, concerning this beautiful poem, is one of Joni being "ruthless" to her lover. Not much ruthlessness in any of Joni's ongoing themes, if you ask me. Yet, if there are, I do hope for others to differ and to direct me to those references of ruthlessness. I just don't see it! And even if Joni were being ruthless, maybe for just a minute, out of anger, it's like the theme of, "For Whom The Bells Toll," where all in love and war, everything is fair. As far as pushing ruthlessness, maybe the song, 'The Silky Veils Of Ardor,' may have subtle tinges, but it's more a lesson in survival for the fair and tender maidens not spruced up on the killing crimes that love can be, but that's it. Just look at the atrocities of this ongoing war with Iraq. A war with Iraq? Innocent civilians being murdered, by whomever, and nothing can be done. It's war, right? It's the worst imaginable dreaded nightmare come true for most here on the JMDL. For certain folks, such as Ted Nugent fans, the war may seem justified and just A-OK--'shoot 'em through your powerful baby's rifle's scope and try to make a bull's eye right smack-dab to those damned Iraqi heads." This is just one example of the ruthlessness of any war on the face of the Earth. Joni has been crying, "Study war no more" since the beginning. I felt ruthless when I had to say good-bye to lovers when I felt parting was necessary. The look in their eyes and the expressions on their faces pierced swords of sorrow down my spine and into my heart, like the pain of war...it's a certain sorrowful release like laughing and crying of different stratums. Others have no qualms concerning ruthlessness and I have felt that awful sting myself coming from uncaring humans. It's not necessary to hurt the ones who hurt you, causing the other to strike out, basically out of fear, like Joni says. I have never, ever felt true ruthlessness coming out of Joni's lines. It would bring tears to my eyes and soul if she would. I don't know if I'm making myself clear, Kevin. I hope I can just help you understand that Joni's not the vengeful little goddess with an ancient crown to fight. Besides, Joni like to speak parabolically, if you know what I mean. Take Care, Jeannie Seventeen glasses Rhine wine Milk of the Madonna Clandestine He don't let up the sorrow He lies and he cheats It takes a heart like Mary's these days When your man gets weak ~Joni~ PS: Good idea for a Sunday afternoon: The Hissing Of Summer Lawns Marion Leffler wrote: Hi all, Kevin wrote: "As I was on a roll I remembered that anther posting said they could not understand the line from "Case of You" - why would you want to drink a case of you but still be on my feet". I see this as Joni's way of putting someone down bigtime. This shows that Joni can be ruthless: "constantly in the darkness...where's that at?...if you want me I'll be in the bar"; the image of being two-faced (bitter and sweet/ darkness and light). In contrast to Strange Boy" where love is the strongest poison and medicine of all the "love" that exists between her and her lover is now as strong as diet coke!" I beg to differ, Kevin! I think that what she means is that although he is "in her blood like holy wine" she will get over him and "still be on her feet". That's not putting somebody down as much as encouraging oneself to move on. Marion - - --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:22:49 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: "Shine" Sampler > > THIS IS GREAT. It seems strange to have an album title without a > subtitle. Is "Shine" is the shortest title since "Blue"? > Nope, since Mingus. Mark in Sydney - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:38:52 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: "Shine" Sampler Yeah, I think it's wonderful that Joni is playing piano again too. In her interview with Amanda Ghost. Joni says that her inspiration for recording a new album is that she had four piano pieces in her head that she felt she needed to do something with. One of which was Gratitude. She also plays saxophone too. Mark in Sydney On 30/07/2007, at 2:03 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Thanks for the sampler, Mark. Wow, Joni's playing piano again! ("Bad > Dreams Are Good".) > > I wonder if "gratitude" is an instrumental or if it's an interlude in > one of the other tracks. I hope we don't have to wait 20 years to > hear all of it, (like with the instrumental on the Geffen box). Some > things are better without words. > > THIS IS GREAT. It seems strange to have an album title without a > subtitle. Is "Shine" is the shortest title since "Blue"? > > The gift goes on, > Jim L. > > > > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > >I decided to extract the little samples of songs from Shine...There > are samples of six songs of varying length. One of the tracks' names > doesn't correspond with the track list that Bob supplied. It is > the instrumental that Joni called, "Gratitude" so that's the title I > went with. It is probably track 1 or track two - One Week Last Summer > or This Place.> > > http://arunaurl.com/k12 - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:56:59 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you In a message dated 7/29/2007 4:56:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com writes: It's not necessary to hurt the ones who hurt you, causing the other to strike out, basically out of fear, like Joni says - - --------------------------------- Amen to that. However, it is easier said than done to not try and hurt the ones who hurt you. Often, out of anger (and really deep down, anger is hurt masked...it is easier to just be angry than to be "hurt" and let it be known) you do say or do things that you wouldn't to try and get back at someone. Usually afterwards (after cooling down) you wish you hadn't.... - - -M ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:00:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: A 'long' case of you Hi there, Monika. At 50 years of age, I've learned not to go through the guilt that comes on from doing that which brings me to the point of such anger, that I say or do things that I wish I hadn't. Feeling guilty is the pits and a grand bummer of the first degree. So, I've learned to play it cool, fool and if you care don't let 'em know. Not giving yourself away, is what I think you were reffering to concerning anger/hurt. Monika, patience is powerful and a gift and weapon to attain and maintain in this life, otherwise like Warren Zevon said, "Life'll kill 'ya and then you'll be dead" from all that stress... You have much wisdom for your young age and for those who desire to attain wisdom know the search is eternal because no one will ever have all the knowledge of the Universe. You'll see, hanging out with Joni will be upon to you a gift of wisdom, and more precious yet, because it's from a tender woman's wisdom and heart with many, many paint brush touches of love. Good night, Monika! Sincerely, Jeannie PS: Have you heard Joni's song, Love? Monika; said: dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com writes: It's not necessary to hurt the ones who hurt you, causing the other to strike out, basically out of fear, like Joni says --------------------------------- Amen to that. However, it is easier said than done to not try and hurt the ones who hurt you. Often, out of anger (and really deep down, anger is hurt masked...it is easier to just be angry than to be "hurt" and let it be known) you do say or do things that you wouldn't to try and get back at someone. Usually afterwards (after cooling down) you wish you hadn't.... -M - - --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. - - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:29:14 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Mocha-Joni-Latte Kevin, I've been talking to people of varying ages, from different countries, including our own, and they all say the same. "Everyone is disillusioned these days. No other choice than to tread where Angels fear to tread and to catch the beast right from the horns. Oh, and if Dunkin' Donuts had their own record label, it'd probably be some insanely successful business if it got into the hands of someone like Clive Davis and then I would call it, ;) Clive Davis' Dunkin' Donuts (; j PS: Clive could hire me to make up donut names after real big rock star names. KEVIN DOHENY wrote: I love the back and forth about where she is releasing HER NEW ALBUM!! Is it ok for me to give it a lil perspective? I mean two years ago I am sure most of us were worried we would never hear a new album at all.. :) A couple posts back someone mentioned their disatisfaction about where joni's 60's ideals went..she told us a long time ago.. "Last night the ghosts of my old ideas reran on channel 5" I can only imagine(born in 78) what people think now,who once thought they could literally change the world thru song or protest..My generation is about as disillusioned as it gets(or maybe I just speak for myself..) oh if only "dunkin donuts" had their own record label.. - - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. - - --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #228 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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