From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #286 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 27 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 286 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me SJC [jeannie ] Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter ["AJ" ] Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Starbucks Rumor Confirmed [Melissa Gibbs ] Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2007 #285 ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me SJC Yes, he plays an awesome get down guitar!! jean - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > On Jul 26, 2007, at 6:11 PM, jeannie wrote: > > > > > You know I fell in love with Carlos' supposed > guitar > > playing back in '73, along with my best friend, in > > Song Of The Wind, on the album Caravanserai and it > > wasn't even him playing. It was the other guy's > > playing, from Journey. I can't remember his name. > The > > Middle-Eastern looking guy who's kind of cute with > > curly hair?!? > > > Neal Schon? > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:14:58 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Starbucks rumor confirmed Me too. I agree right down the line. They coaxed her into documenting her roots for the "Joni Mitchell: Artist's Choice" collection, and they delivered the tracks that others picked ("Joni Mitchell: Songs Chosen By Her Friends & Fellow Musicians"). Heck, they even like subtitles for their discs. They don't have to say, "We'd love to release your CD on Reprise but because you won't sell enough, we'll put it out on "Nonesuch". Starbucks was "with her" when she thought she was "done". They "get" Joni and apparently their customers do too. Go, Joni. Jim L From: Catherine McKay >Even though Starbucks irritates the crap out of me in more ways than I care to list right now, somehow Joni's working through them to release her new one *doesn't* bug me and I think it could work and is a good middle ground (so to speak) between working for a big-biz record company and going indy. And I could be wrong, but she may end up selling a lot more this way than she would if she went with a traditional record label. Her CD will be in the face of gazillions of coffee zombies on their way in and out of the Starbucks...> - - --- Richard Flynn wrote: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/25/arts/NA-A-E-MUS-US-Starbucks-Mitch > ell.php ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:16:22 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Duff" >I have to say that, having read Joni's recent interviews, I am extremely >surprised and more than a bit disappointed at her decision to sign with >Hear. She's made such a fuss in the press about the actions of global >corporations! She berates other people for their greed and profiteering, >and yet the best explanation that anyone can come up with for her signing >with Starbucks is that it'll make her more money... I'm really very puzzled >by this. > > Obviously Joni can make whatever decision she wants for whatever reason, > but her words ring somewhat hollow for me now that her actions have, in my > eyes, contradicted them. And I don't agree with the justification that > reaching a new audience is more important than who sells the CD. To me, > standing by what one (loudly and grumpily!) purports to be their > principals is more important than selling something, or reaching a new > audience or whatever else she's attempting to do. ________________________________________________________________ If you make art in the world today, you inevitably end up making compromises. I, for instance, am a huge believer in independent bookstores (which are closing at staggering rates because of the big chains), buy most of my books from independent bookstores, and know that the only hope for serious fiction and poetry is the independent bookseller. But I had to swallow my distaste and do a reading/signing last year at Barnes and Noble because it is the only bookstore in the small city where my parents live. Obviously Mitchell's situation is different. But if she wants to be heard, I'm not sure what other choice she has. - --AJ, who hates being a pragmatist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:31:45 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter We haven't had that spirit here since nineteen sixty-nine. Last night the ghost of my old ideals re-ran on channel five. Master of the obvious, Jim L. seulbzzaj@aol.com >What happened to the ideals of the Sixties?> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:39:57 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter Well I've already stated my opinion on this whole topic. Saying anything more would probably just prove me redundant. However I will say this. I still don't understand the big deal with signing with Starbucks as some make it out to be. Joni had to sign on with SOMEONE. If it wasn't this then she would have had to go with some record company which she has stated she despises. She wants to release an album, right? Do you want to hear this new album? You do want new music, yes? She needs an outlet. Why not choose one that will probably treat her well? How this is selling out is beyond me. If she really was all about and only about money, she would have made 15+ more Court & Spark imitation albums. Same format. Same style. Fairly accessible material with countless interviews and appearances. But she didn't and I doubt she's going to really do all that now. She's simply about to release an album backed by a known name. Had it not been this it would have been something else. This is business. Deal with it. You're going to have a new album. Be happy and move on. - -Monika, avoiding conact with people, in the crabbiest mood known to mankind ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:57:26 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #223 In a message dated 7/26/2007 8:35:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:15:42 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni Mitchell on the E channel Caught a note on the E channel yesterday about Joni and Starbucks. Flashed 2 different pics of her. Can't wait! Laura My sentiments exactly. Forget all the other nonsense - we're getting a Joni recording. Hope that doesn't sound rite - but I give at the office. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:19:26 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Shine Sampler Hi folks. I decided to extract the little samples of songs from Shine that was previewed in Amanda Ghost's BBC interview and compile a sampler of the upcoming album, Shine. There are samples of six songs of varying length. One of the tracks' names doesn't correspond with the track list that Bob supplied. It is the instrumental that Joni called, "Gratitude" so that's the title I went with. It is probably track 1 or track two - One Week Last Summer or This Place. The file is only about 12MB. You can pick it up here http://arunaurl.com/k12 Enjoy a taste of Shine. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:44:03 +1000 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Re: Starbucks Rumor Confirmed I wonder when we9ll get it Down Under2? Melissa in Sydey NP: Hanging on the Telephone (Blondie) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:00:14 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter rr>>b) many of the ideals of the sixties germinated in the '70's and continue today.<< high five rr! my day job & music playing take me into many wonderful worlds where people are working hard to protect the wildlands & wildlife, provide health care & education to the impoverished, etc etc... so the ideals have become reality... I work & volunteer in nonprofits so am privileged to witness much generosity & goodness taking place in the world kate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:06:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2007 #285 Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me Gang, I don't have high hopes for this new arrangement. Go ahead - throw fruit, whatever. I am certainly excited for the new record regardless of what it ends up sounding like (I'm sure I'll find something to like about it), and I'm excited that Joni's deal is already getting such a big media push. But here's the thing.. As an industry insider, I can't even begin to tell you all about the beating Paul McCartney took for his new CD - and part of it is b/c it got pushed to the masses. The other part is who was doing the pushing. I get several music press newsletters and Joni's already getting beaten up. So - what I see happening now is: Joni puts out Shine and rather than it making the little splash in more musically discerning circles, it's gets forced on all these people who don't have the interest or the patience, resulting in more negative press. My understanding is that the last few JM discs have sold under 50,000 copies a pop - hard to believe, but I'm pretty sure that's accurate. So, sure - SBX may be able to move more of them (mind you, SBX is only responsible for about 45% of the McCartney sales) than she'd sell otherwise. They were probably able to offer her more dough up front for the disc(s) and maybe she'll see a better percentage on the actual sale of each copy than would be the case with, let's say, a division of Warner. But - if the disc gets publically skewered, Joni's going to get pissed. More enraged. More embittered. And getting the second disc out of her is going to be like prying open a.. well, like pulling teeth. >My boycotting SBX is only going to result in one thing - me drinking shitty coffee.< na uhuh :~} I don't know where you live but around here there is much better coffee to be had than starbucks kate ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #286 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------