From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #272 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 17 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 272 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Politics and fall guys (njc) [] Re: Politics and fall guys (njc) [] Re: NJC Plame outing [] Re: Joni & Jaco - now with photos! nj [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Bill Moyers Journal NJC ["Steve Petrica" ] Mahatma Gandhi's grandson, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: njc, Joni in Austin, Texas ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: njc, Joni in Austin, Texas ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Mahatma Gandhi's grandson, njc [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Mahatma Gandhi's grandson, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Mahatma Gandhi's grandson, njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] [none] ["Marion Leffler" ] Catching Up [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Politics and fall guys (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: njc, Lieberman in Folly (or the yuck brigade) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Mahatma Gandhi's grandson, njc [Motitan@aol.com] joni fans in unlikely places [Deb Messling ] Re: ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: joni fans in unlikely places [Motitan@aol.com] NJC Fwd: BREAST CANCER PLEASE SIGN NJC [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] Joni stamps [Kate Johnson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:11:52 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Politics and fall guys (njc) Bob wrote: "You know infinitely more than I do about the law, but this sure does sound kind of hinky to me." Well, it all sounds hinky to me, too. Seriously, if someone broke the law by outing a covert CIA agent, they should be prosecuted. But here we have Fitzgerald ending his multi-million $$ investigation into that issue (which to me is the the pressing issue) yet he then files a brief and attaches an exhibit purportedly from the CIA (but with no authentification) that she was covert. He submits this brief in the Libby trial which is about perjury and obstruction of justice, not outing of a CIA agent. I must add that I looked up the official court filings and they were in all in proper order. The exhibit was part of a brief on sentencing calculations and the exhibit was indeed separately filed without declaration which I have never seen done, ever. It all makes no sense to me on many levels. The statute defining a covert agent can be found here http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/laws/iipa.html Part of the required criteria is that she would have had to have been working outside the country - in residence in another country, not an occasional trip. We know from many sources, including the Wilsons that she lived in D.C. and was taking care of 2 year old twins during the time in question. Then the Wilsons immediately made book deals and gave an interview accompanied by glamour photo shots, in Vanity Fair magazine. This is what a covert agent does?? I mean really! Bottom line, if you read all the transcripts and her testimony (which was contradicted by documented evidence) it's just a big muddle. I guess I will wait to see what comes out in Libby's appeal. Maybe some clarity will finally surface. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:13:05 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Politics and fall guys (njc) Bob wrote: "You know infinitely more than I do about the law, but this sure does sound kind of hinky to me." Well, it all sounds hinky to me, too. Seriously, if someone broke the law by outing a covert CIA agent, they should be prosecuted. But here we have Fitzgerald ending his multi-million $$ investigation into that issue (which to me is the the pressing issue) yet he then files a brief and attaches an exhibit purportedly from the CIA (but with no authentification) that she was covert. He submits this brief in the Libby trial which is about perjury and obstruction of justice, not outing of a CIA agent. I must add that I looked up the official court filings and they were in all in proper order. The exhibit was part of a brief on sentencing calculations and the exhibit was indeed separately filed without declaration which I have never seen done, ever. It all makes no sense to me on many levels. The statute defining a covert agent can be found here http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/laws/iipa.html Part of the required criteria is that she would have had to have been working outside the country - in residence in another country, not an occasional trip. We know from many sources, including the Wilsons that she lived in D.C. and was taking care of 2 year old twins during the time in question. Then the Wilsons immediately made book deals and gave an interview accompanied by glamour photo shots, in Vanity Fair magazine. This is what a covert agent does?? I mean really! Bottom line, if you read all the transcripts and her testimony (which was contradicted by documented evidence) it's just a big muddle. I guess I will wait to see what comes out in Libby's appeal. Maybe some clarity will finally surface. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:23:52 -0700 From: Subject: Re: NJC Plame outing Andee - you are back ;-) > It is obvious to all that you are a G Bush / D Cheney supporter full stop > and you would jump of a cliff to support these guys. Oh hell no, I do not support anyone who breaks the law. But the one guy who could have prosecuted any crime ended the investigation. That's weird, right? If he had the evidence, why didn;t he follow through. >Libby commited perjury didnt he now, or is Fizgerald "one of those nasty >Liberal Judges" ??? Libby has been convicted of perjury. He is entitled to appeal just like everyone else. Let's see what the higher court says. Fitzgerald is not a judge. He is a U.S. attorney from Chicago. All U.S. attorneys investigate allegations of Federal crimes. They are the front line in the U.S. on (for lack of a better word) all forms of high level public crime and corruption that is against the public good. They are the most powerful government attorneys in the U.S. > Are you saying its ok to commit perjury at the Government level of > Scooter Libby ( one of the Administrative top 5 people when he wss working > for Dick Cheney) but its not excusible when a working class person does it > ?????????? surly its the reverse, dont you think ??? Hell no, I only said he is entitled to an appeal to sort out what is a very strange series of legal events. > What an insult to Fitzerald all of his work thrown in the Garbage can by G > Bush, how must he feel !!!! Huh?? Fitzgerald had all the power and resources to convict all the people you may have wanted convicted if he had the evidence to do so. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:45:51 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jaco - now with photos! nj You are right, Jeannie, the photos complement that picture. You can also read the story of their love between the lines...or behind the photos or whatever. It must be hard to think back. IBene On 7/15/07, jeannie wrote: > Thanks for the links to Jaco Pastorius' place, Bene. > > I enjoyed viewing the family side of Jaco, which I had never seen before. > All I knew of him, really, was by word of mouth, news clippings, and from > this book I bought, of which his mother had some input into it, along with > the author. > > The book and other sources usually paint him as the tradegian: a hard time, > hard living, hard core, as well as an intense, innovative, intelligent and > extremely gifted musician, as well, and sadly, about the disastrous case of > Jaco's death. > > > If you go to his site, click on and there you will see a letter > written to his two little sons, 21 years ago, nearly to the date, and most > probably written on a sunny Sunday, too, which shows the tender side of the > man, husband, and father. > > j. > > > > missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Jerry! > > I went to Ingrid's website (at first your message confused me because > I did not know his wife's name was Ingrid!), there is an interview > where someone says Jahco.... But let's see what she says! Yaco is my > invention I'm sure, it's like the many years I couldn't find CDs by > Louis Jordan because I had changed his name to Gordon... > > I found two pics of Joni on his site: > http://jacop.net/joniherbie.html > http://jacop.net/joni_jaco.html > > Best > > Bene > > > On 7/13/07, Jerry Notaro wrote: > > I've written to Ingrid and asked for the correct pronunciation. She is > very > > good about responding to correspondence. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Mark, > > > > > > I thought I had heard Joni saying Yako in some interview, and that it > > > had to do with his Finnish roots. But I wonder now if in fact she said > > > "Jahco", and I added the rest, just because I noticed it doesn't rhyme > > > with wacko.... I guess you are right! > > > > > > Benedicte > > > > > > On 7/12/07, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > > >> Bene, I have been pronouncing it, "Jacko". The J is hard in English > > >> and, since he was raised in the USA, I assumed it to be pronounced that > > >> way. > > >> > > >> One area where Americans differ from Australians is on vowels. > > >> Americans use long vowel sounds. Australians defer to the short vowel > > >> sound usually. Therefore, "Jacko". Americans may pronounce it "Jahco". > > >> Can the Americans confirm this? > > >> > > >> Mark in Sydney > > >> > > >> NP Morphing Thru Time - Enigma > > > > ________________________________ > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:19:13 -0400 From: "Steve Petrica" Subject: Re: Bill Moyers Journal NJC I'm persuaded! Bring on the impeachment proceedings! I haven't seen the Moyers program, but this blog convinced me: http://theanchoressonline.com/2007/05/24/lets-do-it-lets-impeach-bush/ Steve On 7/16/07, Paul in MD wrote: > > Through interviews with two men, one who worked on the Clinton > impeachment, the show makes a very persuasive case for impeachment. Bush > and Cheney have overstepped the bounds of the executive branch and Congress, > which should keep the executive branch in check, has not been doing its job > for the last six years (I'd say longer). It's not about allowing them to > continue and hoping that they don't wreak any more havoc than they have > already. Impeachment is not about retribution -- unless they are brought to > task for their illegal activities and the executive branch is brought back > into line, a dangerous precedent will have been set. The next President > will have unprecedented powers. > > Paul In MD > > > Kate Bennett wrote: > I hope you & others will take time to view the broadcast I sent. He > interviews two brilliant men & actually gives voice (as devils advocate I > suppose) against impeachment. It is not a partisan discussion, but a deeply > knowledgeable one about our constitution. Both the legislative branch & the > fourth estate are taken to task for not doing their jobs. It isn't just > about ranting against the executive branch. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:59:27 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Mahatma Gandhi's grandson, njc Hi, I wanted to share parts of an article I am reading about Gandhi: Arun Gandhi is his grandson and they wrote an article about him in the Rochester City Newspaper (the alternative newspaper). Here are some things Arun said about his grandfather Mahatma Gandhi: He was deeply concerned about the treatment of others, compassion for others. . . . and he was concerned about acts of violence, not just toward people, but violence against the environment, violence against animals, violence against children. He was a disciplined man. . . he felt that wasting time or killing time doing nothing was a luxury we could not afford. We must productively account for every minute. We practice violence in many ways. Take for example, something he called passive violence. If we see something that is unjust happening to someone else, we can walk by and pretend it doesn't matter because it is not happening to us, or we can recognized that we have a duty to oppose it. When others are forced to comply with something that is unjust, it is our duty to oppose it. We must oppose it even though it may cause us to suffer, because through our suffering we can show others the mistake they are making. Passive violence can also take the form of allowing anger to divide on another. Take for example, President Bush and his statement after 9/11. He told the world, "You are either with us or you are against us," dividing the people of the world into friends and foes. Grandfather never did this. He never divided the people. He never called the British our enemy. He said, They are our friends and we must show them that they are misguided. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:54:52 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: njc, Joni in Austin, Texas Great story Jeannie! Here is the link for these shows: http://stringsattached.org/shows.php?showType=strings&showId=848&date=2007-05 - -03 If you can't open it, the name of the band is "Will Taylor & Strings Attached". You can probably just type in their name at your browser and bring up their website. The shows are on Fri & Sat 7/27 & 28. Donna >>> jeannie 7/12/2007 3:41 PM >>> I'm not aware of the Austin concerts y'all are referring to.. Possibly that yearly show somewhere around August, maybe? Would you please give details? That would be nice. Off or online is fine by me. Thanks! When I was a Junior in high school, I was one of Sister Pauline's prized Latin students. She took about 5 of us to a statewide competition held at UTAustin. Austin was still small and quaint back then. We stayed in some of the dorms. I was so excited to be there in the college scene, UNTIL, I picked up the school's newspaper and saw the Blue album cover with Joni's high cheekbones enhanced with the shadows and light. Joni was playing that very night and I could have gotten in with someone's school ID but Sr. Pauline would not let me out of her sight. That had to have been a Friday night, because the next day was the competition. But, my position in life at that moment with Latin and Sr. Pauline came down like a lead balloon. Poor Sr. Pauline knew what I was going through that day, but she just could not let me go, unless we all went. I couldn't imagine myself with a nun and some nerdy girls at the concert but something was better than not seeing Joni at all for the very first time in my life. Well, it happened that Sr. Pauline could not fancy our way in because we needed student IDs and I told her I had gotten a hold of two student ID's for my best friend and me, but it was a "no"-show because of her responsibility with us girls. I understood. :( ::::::: jeannie Still :( after all these years. PS Is there a list of every concert Joni ever gave? That had to have been 1973 and was basically non-announced. Even afterward, there was no mention of that Joni concert in either Austin or San Antonio. It was alike a big blurry dream--kind of like a dreaded dream come true. Absolute truth!! Weird, huh? :( Donna Binkley wrote: No, unfortunately she's not going to be there. But I will! There is a tribute band doing her music and I have posted the link below. Bob Muller are you still planning on coming out for this? If anyone out there is interested let me know. I was hoping we could have a mini-fest, Craig (Happy the Man) told us about it originally and it's getting close! Craig what's the plan, are you still going? Yall come on down! Donna http://stringsattached.org/shows.php?showType=strings&showId=848&date=2007-05 - -03 >>> "Marianne Rizzo" 7/12/2007 1:55 PM >>> gosh patti. . now I want to go out and get a cell phone. . . with all those joni features. . I am almost now sold on the idea. . never saw it that way before. . . : - ) thanks, friend of spirit. LO VE Marianne - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Patti Parlette" _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 - --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! 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TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:19:04 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Mahatma Gandhi's grandson, njc In a message dated 7/16/2007 10:08:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: Passive violence can also take the form of allowing anger to divide on another. Take for example, President Bush and his statement after 9/11. He told the world, "You are either with us or you are against us," dividing the people of the world into friends and foes. Grandfather never did this. He never divided the people. He never called the British our enemy. He said, They are our friends and we must show them that they are misguided. - ------------------------------------------- Ah, Gandhi was so wise and sensible. I love reading anything that he said or anything about him. It brings even more understanding in what made him great. He was so very selfless.... Sometimes if I am upset with someone, and know I am about to say something I may later regret, I think, "Gandhi" and bite my tongue. His ways are ways to follow...thank you for sharing this article on here. - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:28:16 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Mahatma Gandhi's grandson, njc Arun Gandhi came to my campus to speak last semester. He drew the largest crowd in our history. It heartened me to know that peace and nonviolence is still so popular! Jerry > In a message dated 7/16/2007 10:08:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: > > Passive violence can also take the form of allowing anger to divide on > another. Take for example, President Bush and his statement after 9/11. > He told the world, "You are either with us or you are against us," dividing > the people of the world into friends and foes. Grandfather never did this. > He never divided the people. He never called the British our enemy. He > said, They are our friends and we must show them that they are misguided. > ------------------------------------------- > Ah, Gandhi was so wise and sensible. I love reading anything that he > said or anything about him. It brings even more understanding in what made > him > great. He was so very selfless.... > Sometimes if I am upset with someone, and know I am about to say > something I may later regret, I think, "Gandhi" and bite my tongue. His ways > are > ways to follow...thank you for sharing this article on here. > -Monika > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:11:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Mahatma Gandhi's grandson, njc >His ways are ways to follow...< Except for the whole 'drinking your own urine' part. I'm not much into that. Bob NP: Karin Allyson, "The Bluebird" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Any thoughts would be helpful and appreciated, as always. Hope you all have a good day, Marion in Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:20:27 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Catching Up Hi everyone! Another flash from the past here. I am embarrassed to say this, but I've hardly been reading the list for ages because I've been on the road constantly these days, and have had very little time. However, I'm now in Salt Lake City, hanging with our dear Alison E. for the second time in just a few month's, and she started talking about Joni's new CD coming our in the fall!!! ACK!!! I had NO IDEA because I've been so out of the loop! So, I logged on and read a few digests, and I will be much more in the loop in the future. It's SO great to see Colin and Jimmy's names here as well as the usual suspects. For those of you who like to plan early, Jonifest 2008 at Full Moon will be April (3) 4-7. No signups, or information yet, but go ahead and pencil it into your calendar for next year, and start putting pennies aside. (You know you want to!!) :-) Hugs, Ashara ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:10:44 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Politics and fall guys (njc) Don't sell yourself short...Kakki....you have done a wonderful job in clarifying things. Yes...it is a bit muddled....could be by design? Bree > >Bob wrote: > >"You know infinitely more than I do about the law, but this sure does sound >kind of hinky to me." > >Well, it all sounds hinky to me, too. Seriously, if someone broke the law >by >outing a covert CIA agent, they should be prosecuted. But here we have >Fitzgerald ending his multi-million $$ investigation into that issue (which >to >me is the the pressing issue) yet he then files a brief and attaches an >exhibit purportedly from the CIA (but with no authentification) that she >was >covert. He submits this brief in the Libby trial which is about perjury >and >obstruction of justice, not outing of a CIA agent. I must add that I >looked >up the official court filings and they were in all in proper order. The >exhibit was part of a brief on sentencing calculations and the exhibit was >indeed separately filed without declaration which I have never seen done, >ever. It all makes no sense to me on many levels. The statute defining a >covert agent can be found here >http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/laws/iipa.html >Part of the required criteria is that she would have had to have been >working >outside the country - in residence in another country, not an occasional >trip. >We know from many sources, including the Wilsons that she lived in D.C. and >was taking care of 2 year old twins during the time in question. Then the >Wilsons immediately made book deals and gave an interview accompanied by >glamour photo shots, in Vanity Fair magazine. This is what a covert agent >does?? I mean really! Bottom line, if you read all the transcripts and >her >testimony (which was contradicted by documented evidence) it's just a big >muddle. I guess I will wait to see what comes out in Libby's appeal. >Maybe >some clarity will finally surface. > >Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:21:43 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Lieberman in Folly WARNING: Heavy political content Last Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:18:13 -0400, Bree wrote, in part: "I would like to throw all the bums out of the Senate and House...and just keep Lieberman..i know ..Patti...but he is so way better than any of them..in my opinion." Ach, du Lieberman! Yes, I let out a shriek when I read the above, but let it go. Lately I don't count on nothing, I just let things slide. No sense in a "Point, Counterpoint" when nothing can be done anyway. Nothing can be done. He's in for six years. : ( However, yesterday I was reading the Sunday paper and saw an op-ed piece titled: "Lieberman: Blind To Folly" that, in my jonidiomatic logic, made me start singing Barangrill as I started shaking my fists at Lieberman again. So now I'm shakin' into Joni town with my brakes complaining. Well some say it's in service They say "humble makes pure" You're hoping it's near Folly 'Cause you're headed that way for sure And you just have to laugh 'Cause it's all so crazy OR You just have to CRY 'Cause it's all so crazy (the same release, after all...) He is hardly humble, and he's not headed toward Folly because he is already there. In my opinion, he's a chameleonic, self-serving, obnoxious, sanctimonous, lying creep who will do anything to keep his job in the Senate - -- for the good of the country, of course. I guess we all come from such different sets of circumstance, Bree. He is the FIRST one I'd throw out. Chacun a son gout. (To each his own.) My set of circumstance....I'm flashing back to a year ago, when so many of us worked so hard for Ned Lamont. Up all night in the studios. After work I'd go to his little storefront un-air-conditioned HQ in Willimantic to make those annoying phone calls. I absolutely hated it, but was told that this was what would make a difference. Well, guess what? WE WON! We won the Democratic primary on August 8th. Fair & square! Grassroots effort. Power to the people! Wooo hoooo! We were dancin' in the streets! But then Joe, in his infinite "God-given" wisdom, in his "concession" speech, announces that HE knows what is best for our state and our country, and that he will run as an Independent. All of a sudden he is "Mr. Bipartisan", here to save the day amid all the bickering in Washington. And when asked who could dissuade him from running, he said: "No earthly messenger." He undid all the joy that could be. So, our work continued into November. Hard work. More phone calls, organizing rallies, talking it up, standing outside the polls in the rain, etc........until you burn up every passion. (By the way, Joe's pollstanders were PAID workers; Lamont's were all volunteers -- Volunteers of America!) During one of the debates, Joe stated: "NO ONE wants this war to end more than * I * do. AND THAT'S A FACT!" Well, even knowing that that was a big crock of merde, how could he say something like that? He wants the war to end more than ANYONE? More than Cindy, more than the thousands of mothers and fathers who have kids over there? More than all the innocent Iraqis suffering beyond our comprehension? Come ON! As my dear old boss used to say to idiots: "Are YOU stupid, or do you think *I* am stupid?" He left a recorded message on my answering machine, whining: "Today I ask for your trust. Today I ask for your vote. The fact is, I have stood up to George Bush TIME AND TIME again." Yeah, like when he stood up to kiss him. I have a button of "The Kiss" right here on my desk. Well, as you know, he won. A HUGE portrait of a disappointment for all of us who worked so hard here. I still can't believe it. And now, of course, he is one of the war's biggest supporters. And hey, let's attack Iran, too! A few paragraphs from that op-ed piece (because Bill Curry says it better than I can): "Joe's "new course" is escalation. Smart of him not to mention that in any ads. He's one of Bush's two best spear carriers, the other being John McCain, currently being trampled by Republicans. This past week, the White House issued an interim Iraq report. It claims progress on just eight of 18 "benchmarks" and stretches even for that. Iraq was supposed to complete a constitutional review, but gets a passing grade for forming the committee. And so on. To read it is to be sick at heart. Unless, of course, you're Joe Lieberman, who says he read it and found nothing to cast the least doubt on our plan of action. In fact, he's now sure the war can only be lost by "defeatists at home." Meanwhile, our intelligence says that since we invaded Iraq, al-Qaida has grown stronger, including in its capacity to strike us at home. It only confirms what we all should know: The war is a debacle. Each day we fail to end it endangers the life of every American, especially the soldiers we have sent and sent again to fight it. The most important bipartisan movement in a generation is taking shape on Capitol Hill. But ironically, Joe Lieberman isn't part of it. Instead, he joins Bush in attacking the "defeatists." Yes, we've come to that phase of a war when disgraced leaders blame the outcome on those brave enough to oppose them. Sadly, Lieberman shows signs of giving in to the temptation. In doing so, he would forsake civility along with bipartisanship and end up standing only for war. I hope he opts instead to take responsibility for his own folly, as the man I met so long ago surely would have done." The entire piece is here: http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/columnists/hc-curry0715.artjul15,0,2904609.column?coll=hc_home_xpromo Okay, I think I have now struck every chord that I feel on Joe Lieberman. Thank you for the space, encore une fois! Peace, A "Defeatist" _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:44:37 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: as witnessed...or proof....syntax is a little off.. but if I were interested in your fortune and fame...then I would do it that way..marriage...change my name... Bree >Hi, > >listened to FTR this sunny Monday afternoon and was wondering (once again) >about the following lyrics from See you sometime: > > > >.I'm not ready to change my name again > > but you know I'm not after a piece of your fortune and your fame etc > > > >What puzzles me is the word "but". If the first line means "I'm not ready >to >get married again yet" - which I have always assumed - then the "but" >doesn't make much sense. "And" what feel more logical to me. On the other >hand, Joni always makes sense so there is probably something to it that I >haven't grasped. > > > >Any thoughts would be helpful and appreciated, as always. > > > >Hope you all have a good day, > >Marion in Sweden _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:40:00 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: njc, Lieberman in Folly (or the yuck brigade) So................you don't like Lieberman?! ;-0 I realized the disdain that joni -type democrats had for him ..many dim years ago now. Marianne and I were watching TV ...early in our relationship.. Lieberman came on the screen...I heard this very audible "yuck'....I looked over..it reminded me of the yuck I had heard when Bush or Cheney appeared on the screen....a yuck that I thought was only reserved for them. I asked her....."was that a yuck meant for Lieberman?!"....."Yes".... she said. . Hmmm....I went on to tell her.. that I thought he would be looked on as the star of your party...the statesman.....the voice..... I totally admired this guy for a long time..his strong position ..stance on Israel. Socially ....I'm at odds with him... he is pro-choice..I pro-life. So..yes....I like him...I love anyone who stands up for what they believe. I wish he was my Senator! Although...I could never vote for him because of his life position. I am sending...which I have been meaning to do....procrastinator that I can be.....a message to his Senate office and thank him for his patriotism....and his unyielding strong stance for what I believe is right... in the face of such adversity. I guess it's like sushi....people either love it...or yuck..hate it.. Bree >WARNING: Heavy political content > >Last Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:18:13 -0400, Bree wrote, in part: > >"I would like to throw all >the bums out of the Senate and House...and just keep Lieberman..i know >..Patti...but he is so way better than any of them..in my opinion." > >Ach, du Lieberman! Yes, I let out a shriek when I read the above, but let >it go. Lately I don't count on nothing, I just let things slide. No sense >in a "Point, Counterpoint" when nothing can be done anyway. Nothing can be >done. He's in for six years. : ( > >However, yesterday I was reading the Sunday paper and saw an op-ed piece >titled: "Lieberman: Blind To Folly" that, in my jonidiomatic logic, made me >start singing Barangrill as I started shaking my fists at Lieberman again. >So now I'm shakin' into Joni town with my brakes complaining. > >Well some say it's in service >They say "humble makes pure" >You're hoping it's near Folly >'Cause you're headed that way for sure >And you just have to laugh >'Cause it's all so crazy > >OR > >You just have to CRY >'Cause it's all so crazy (the same release, after all...) > >He is hardly humble, and he's not headed toward Folly because he is already >there. In my opinion, he's a chameleonic, self-serving, obnoxious, >sanctimonous, lying creep who will do anything to keep his job in the >Senate -- for the good of the country, of course. > >I guess we all come from such different sets of circumstance, Bree. He is >the FIRST one I'd throw out. Chacun a son gout. (To each his own.) > >My set of circumstance....I'm flashing back to a year ago, when so many of >us worked so hard for Ned Lamont. Up all night in the studios. After work >I'd go to his little storefront un-air-conditioned HQ in Willimantic to >make those annoying phone calls. I absolutely hated it, but was told that >this was what would make a difference. > >Well, guess what? > >WE WON! We won the Democratic primary on August 8th. Fair & square! >Grassroots effort. Power to the people! Wooo hoooo! We were dancin' in >the streets! > >But then Joe, in his infinite "God-given" wisdom, in his "concession" >speech, announces that HE knows what is best for our state and our country, >and that he will run as an Independent. > >All of a sudden he is "Mr. Bipartisan", here to save the day amid all the >bickering in Washington. And when asked who could dissuade him from >running, he said: "No earthly messenger." > >He undid all the joy that could be. > >So, our work continued into November. Hard work. More phone calls, >organizing rallies, talking it up, standing outside the polls in the rain, >etc........until you burn up every passion. (By the way, Joe's >pollstanders were PAID workers; Lamont's were all volunteers -- Volunteers >of America!) > >During one of the debates, Joe stated: "NO ONE wants this war to end more >than * I * do. AND THAT'S A FACT!" > >Well, even knowing that that was a big crock of merde, how could he say >something like that? He wants the war to end more than ANYONE? More than >Cindy, more than the thousands of mothers and fathers who have kids over >there? More than all the innocent Iraqis suffering beyond our >comprehension? Come ON! As my dear old boss used to say to idiots: "Are >YOU stupid, or do you think *I* am stupid?" > >He left a recorded message on my answering machine, whining: "Today I ask >for your trust. Today I ask for your vote. The fact is, I have stood up to >George Bush TIME AND TIME again." > >Yeah, like when he stood up to kiss him. I have a button of "The Kiss" >right here on my desk. > >Well, as you know, he won. A HUGE portrait of a disappointment for all of >us who worked so hard here. I still can't believe it. > >And now, of course, he is one of the war's biggest supporters. > >And hey, let's attack Iran, too! > >A few paragraphs from that op-ed piece (because Bill Curry says it better >than I can): > >"Joe's "new course" is escalation. Smart of him not to mention that in any >ads. He's one of Bush's two best spear carriers, the other being John >McCain, currently being trampled by Republicans. > >This past week, the White House issued an interim Iraq report. It claims >progress on just eight of 18 "benchmarks" and stretches even for that. Iraq >was supposed to complete a constitutional review, but gets a passing grade >for forming the committee. And so on. To read it is to be sick at heart. > >Unless, of course, you're Joe Lieberman, who says he read it and found >nothing to cast the least doubt on our plan of action. In fact, he's now >sure the war can only be lost by "defeatists at home." > >Meanwhile, our intelligence says that since we invaded Iraq, al-Qaida has >grown stronger, including in its capacity to strike us at home. It only >confirms what we all should know: The war is a debacle. Each day we fail to >end it endangers the life of every American, especially the soldiers we >have sent and sent again to fight it. > >The most important bipartisan movement in a generation is taking shape on >Capitol Hill. But ironically, Joe Lieberman isn't part of it. Instead, he >joins Bush in attacking the "defeatists." Yes, we've come to that phase of >a war when disgraced leaders blame the outcome on those brave enough to >oppose them. Sadly, Lieberman shows signs of giving in to the temptation. > >In doing so, he would forsake civility along with bipartisanship and end up >standing only for war. I hope he opts instead to take responsibility for >his own folly, as the man I met so long ago surely would have done." > >The entire piece is here: > >http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/columnists/hc-curry0715.artjul15,0,2904609.column?coll=hc_home_xpromo > >Okay, I think I have now struck every chord that I feel on Joe Lieberman. >Thank you for the space, encore une fois! > >Peace, > >A "Defeatist" > >_________________________________________________________________ >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:04:47 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Bill Moyers Journal NJC Thanks for the link. When I saw a G. K. Chesterton quote at the top of the page ..I knew this might be the right stuff. Bree >I'm persuaded! Bring on the impeachment proceedings! I haven't seen the >Moyers program, but this blog convinced me: > >http://theanchoressonline.com/2007/05/24/lets-do-it-lets-impeach-bush/ > >Steve > > >On 7/16/07, Paul in MD wrote: > > > > Through interviews with two men, one who worked on the Clinton > > impeachment, the show makes a very persuasive case for impeachment. >Bush > > and Cheney have overstepped the bounds of the executive branch and >Congress, > > which should keep the executive branch in check, has not been doing its >job > > for the last six years (I'd say longer). It's not about allowing them >to > > continue and hoping that they don't wreak any more havoc than they have > > already. Impeachment is not about retribution -- unless they are >brought to > > task for their illegal activities and the executive branch is brought >back > > into line, a dangerous precedent will have been set. The next President > > will have unprecedented powers. > > > > Paul In MD > > > > > > Kate Bennett wrote: > > I hope you & others will take time to view the broadcast I sent. He > > interviews two brilliant men & actually gives voice (as devils advocate >I > > suppose) against impeachment. It is not a partisan discussion, but a >deeply > > knowledgeable one about our constitution. Both the legislative branch & >the > > fourth estate are taken to task for not doing their jobs. It isn't just > > about ranting against the executive branch. _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:25:54 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC Tim Brookes' 'Guitar - An American Life' I have written the list recently recommending Tim Brookes' excellent book, 'Guitar -An American Life' ... which is at once a history of the guitar in America, and also a diary of the creation process of a luthier-built guitar. Brookes mention of Stan Jay and Mandolin Bros. on Staten I led directly to Kenneth (Passcribe@aol) visiting Jay, and scooping those positively astonishing photos of Joni's visit 'to buy herself a mandolin' which he's shared with us all. Tim Brookes wrote me the other day with an interesting offer. He's received a couple of cases of the hardcover edition from the publisher, new, *without dust jackets*. He is willing to send these inscribed and autographed to list members, postage included, for $7.50 I guess the best way to do this is for those interested to contact me offlist and I will respond with Tim's contact information. (oh, and read the book!) ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:40:27 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: I agree that 'and' would make more sense. All I can come up with is 1) it's a non-sequitor, like when you start your sentence with 'but you know...' 2) 'and' sounds too much like a rant..'and furthermore' 3) 'but' just sounded better to the ear, making it a more percussive little run ....but you know, there may be more RR From: "Marion Leffler" > listened to FTR this sunny Monday afternoon and was wondering (once again) > about the following lyrics from See you sometime: > .I'm not ready to change my name again > > but you know I'm not after a piece of your fortune and your fame etc > > What puzzles me is the word "but". If the first line means "I'm not ready > to > get married again yet" - which I have always assumed - then the "but" > doesn't make much sense. "And" what feel more logical to me. On the other > hand, Joni always makes sense so there is probably something to it that I > haven't grasped. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:05:15 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Mahatma Gandhi's grandson, njc In a message dated 7/16/2007 1:12:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: >His ways are ways to follow...< Except for the whole 'drinking your own urine' part. I'm not much into that. Bob - ------------------------------------ Glad to hear it... - -M ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:21:57 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: joni fans in unlikely places I have a friend who works in the maintenance department of the city park. She called me today, all excited, because she found out that one of her co-workers is a huge Joni Mitchell fan. He's a retired guy who's working in the park for the fun of it, basically. And his favorite album is THOSL. Now *that's* a fan! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:07:07 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: hmmm nice one to pick up on... I think it makes it more conversational, like they are in mid-argument or something... I think an 'and' would make it literary whereas the 'but' makes it informal. You can never tell if this is just verbatim or is it deliberate? With Joni, I guess you have to assume deliberate but you never know... it maybe the song that she hadn't quite finished when they booked the studio to record the album or something (massive conjecture here) and she just had a bunch of chord changes and some jottings on a piece of paper that she stuck together from all that was going through her head the night before so it was a last minute addition. Or something.... lol much Joni Jamie Zoob On 17/07/07, Randy Remote wrote: > I agree that 'and' would make more sense. All I can come > up with is > 1) it's a non-sequitor, like when you start your sentence > with 'but you know...' > 2) 'and' sounds too much like a rant..'and furthermore' > 3) 'but' just sounded better to the ear, making it a more > percussive little run > ....but you know, there may be more > RR > > From: "Marion Leffler" > > listened to FTR this sunny Monday afternoon and was wondering (once again) > > about the following lyrics from See you sometime: > > > .I'm not ready to change my name again > > > > but you know I'm not after a piece of your fortune and your fame etc > > > > What puzzles me is the word "but". If the first line means "I'm not ready > > to > > get married again yet" - which I have always assumed - then the "but" > > doesn't make much sense. "And" what feel more logical to me. On the other > > hand, Joni always makes sense so there is probably something to it that I > > haven't grasped. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:30:19 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: joni fans in unlikely places In a message dated 7/16/2007 9:08:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dlmessling@rcn.com writes: She called me today, all excited, because she found out that one of her co-workers is a huge Joni Mitchell fan. He's a retired guy who's working in the park for the fun of it, basically. And his favorite album is THOSL. Now *that's* a fan! - ------------------------------ Ah, very nice. It's always nice to discover more Joni fans...in unlikely places. I dream of the day when I bump into someone when I'm out (I like talking with new people) who is a Joni fan.....if only... - -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:29:58 EDT From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: NJC Fwd: BREAST CANCER PLEASE SIGN NJC ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:16:39 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Joni stamps Did everybody get the commemorative stamps they wanted? 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