From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #264 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 11 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 264 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: Politics and fall guys (njc) [jeannie ] Re: politics. . drugs, sex and war njc [jeannie ] Re: A Joni question... ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: A Joni question... ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: A Joni question... [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni & Jaco [missblux@googlemail.com] NJC Kurt Elling..? [missblux@googlemail.com] Les Paul njc [Kerry ] Re: Les Paul njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: A Joni question...NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: A Joni question...NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: A Joni question...NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Judgement of the Moon and Stars [Robert Procyk ] Judgement of the moon and stars; Joni's songs as life themes ["Patti Parl] Re: NJC Kurt Elling..? [Scott Price ] Re: NJC Kurt Elling..? ["AJ" ] RE : NJC Kurt Elling..? [Joseph Palis ] Re: NJC Kurt Elling..? [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Joni & Jaco [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Les Paul njc ["Randy Remote" ] Politics and fall guys (njc) and now partying for peace ["Patti Parlette"] njc, homophobic surgeon general nominee ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc, homophobic surgeon general nominee ["Patti Parlette" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:08:31 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: re: Politics and fall guys (njc) That's alot of venting. I can feel the hot air coming from that there vent! jean PS: There, now I'm also through my mantra. mia _ wrote: < > She was indeed covert. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/ Maybe Rush is right. We could use unskilled Mexicans here to replace American jobs that require no knowledge - like Limbaugh's job! Shame on this administration (and the cowardly Dems) for making the US less safe and giving aid and comfort to the terrorists! The corruption just keeps getting worse each and every day....to the point where I almost feel the need to cover my eyes with my hands to avoid exposure to all this sickening crap! Okay, I'm done venting... thanks.... back to Joni.... Mia _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: politics. . drugs, sex and war njc Hi, Bree. How you doing? Thanks for reminding me about his name. No disrespect, but he is not exactly my cup of Earl Grey tea, either. Toby Keith. I remember Bill Maher would call him Koby Teith :) I just don't like messages from stupid songs. I mean, if it's to boost morale amongst the soldiers, I'm all for it. But, with terribly tacky words and and a cocky-ass message like that, it sounds like a song they would be listening to at those Abu Gharib(sp?) torture chambers and prison. No hurt feelings 'bout Toby Keith, ok? Evening, Bree! jean Bree Mcdonough wrote: That would be Toby Keith..a registered democrat. Mr.. Keith was interviewed by the late Ed Bradley.. and in this interview he told Bradley that he sang that song to lift the morale of the troops while during a U. S. O. tour. He supports the troops! Btw..TK was not for going into Iraq. Apparently.. one of the generals over there heard him sing the song.. I don't know the title.....and asked him when he got back to the states ....to please record it. And ..as they say..the rest is history. I called a friend and she gave me all this info. I had heard the song on several occasions..but not my cup tea. I am more selective when it comes to country music. So what tune is he singing now? He is probably whistling dixie...I'm sure he made a mega ton from that song. Bree > Remember that country singer I can't remember his name) who came out >with this stupid, idiotic, tacky song, where he belches out something like, >"I'll stick my American boot up your ass."? I wonder what tune he's singing >now. > > No more, please, because this absurdity > is way out of line--help me understand!! > > jean > > NP: Like A Rolling Stone--Bob Dylan > >I don't care what anybody does sexually. . >this is not my business. . > >invading countries. . >it's all of our business > >_________________________________________________________________ >http://newlivehotmail.com > > > >--------------------------------- >8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com - --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: re:Judgement Of The Moon And Stars Oh, my God, Mia! This is beautiful. So exquisite-ly expressed! Truly, Jean mia _ wrote: Hi Monika, JOTMAS is one of my favorite songs. It only took me three listenings and I was hooked. I also consider it as one of my favorite singing-(off-key, of course)-in-the-shower tunes. Love the part you mentioned, but beginning with "Draw yourself a bath..." Fun to sing A Capella, as is Lesson in Survival - -"Maybe it's paranoia, maybe it's sensitivity, your friends protect you, scrutinize me, I get so damn timid..," and Court and Spark -"His eyes were the color of the sand and the sea..." You asked "Are there some songs you didn't like from the start and then realized what you missed?" Yes - Paprika Plains. I can't say I hated it from the start, just that I used to skip it a lot because of all the other great songs on DJRD I was in a hurry to get to. Now I listen to it all the time in my car, and it literally makes me cry. It is so beautiful, an epic, a masterpiece! I can smell the wet grass and soap, and jungle gardenias, Pine Sol, and beer. Only Joni could make the word "galvanized" sound poetic. And channeling the both sides now of her people from childhood, "they would've cleared the floor just to watch that rain come down" So defining. Her fascination with the Native American culture, next her anger "But when the church got thru, they traded their beads for bottles..." - tragic, a culture utterly destroyed. But my favorite line of all is "I would beat the drum like war, I'd beat the drum, I'd beat the drum like war" - I feel just like a little kid again when I sing this. Joni even plays the piano like she's a little kid banging on the keys with lots of kiddie passion. And some of the piano chords have a Native American feel to them, or at least to me they do. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 - --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:14:39 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Judgement and themes Hi Bob, Monika, Jean and everyone else, thanks for welcoming me back! I missed this list when I was on vacation but I had promised myself not to go near a computer during those two weeks. I'm glad to be back, though I did have a great time in Germany. The weather wasn't too bad if you don't crave hot summer days. It was raining a lot but there was some sunshine as well and I was out walking in the woods nearly every day. Since I am from Germany originally (though I have lived most of my life in Sweden), I have some relatives there, and every time I go there we have these family reunions. Nowadays, my family has been both diminished and grown. My mother died last year, my eldest sister some years ago, but my younger sister has three grandchildren aged 3, 4 and 6.And of course the spouses of her sons were new additions a few years back. And then there are my cousins and their spouses and children. - As for the language, Monika, if you like it raw, I'd recommend Dutch.:-) Bob, "today I am not prey to dark uncertainty" is one of my favourites, too. As is the entire song. "I think I understand, fear is like a wilderland, stepping stones or sinking sands" is such a simple yet completely fitting description of how anxiety feels - only Joni can do it! When I was young, I suffered from panic attacks and I used these lines like a mantra to calm me down. It worked! Jean, I am appalled at the way not only the Chinese but other peoples in Asia, too, treat animals, especially cats. Then again, so did Europeans in historical times. It has to do with economy and social welfare, I guess. The less you have, the harder you have to work for food and basic needs, the less regard you will have for animals. As welfare increases for humans, so it does for the animals around them, or so it seems to me. I am not offering excuses, just trying to understand. Monika, people around you must think that you are very clever (which you probably are!), quoting Shakespeare and Nietzsche. If they recognise the quotes, they will realise how well-read you are, if not, you will appear extremely witty and intelligent. In both cases, your gain! Today I woke up with The Gallery on my mind, for no reason I know of.Maybe I dreamt something that I just don't remember. Have a good day, all of you! Marion in Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:36:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: A Joni question... No one will ever know for sure but it is HIGHLY unlikely. Jerry Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I just have a quick question. Normally I don't ask these things (as its > a > private matter) but were Joni and Jaco Pastorius ever involved? I only > ask > due to something I read recently. > -Monika > P.S. You can email offlist with the answer if you know as I don't want to > make a discussion out of this. There are more important things to discuss > but > my curiosity always eats at me. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:51:01 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: A Joni question... Wasn't Jaco married to Ingrid while they toured the Shadows & Light thing? Or have I got that wrong. But I guess gerry's right... we will NEVER know.... On 11/07/07, Gerald A. Notaro wrote: > No one will ever know for sure but it is HIGHLY unlikely. > > Jerry > > Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > I just have a quick question. Normally I don't ask these things (as its > > a > > private matter) but were Joni and Jaco Pastorius ever involved? I only > > ask > > due to something I read recently. > > -Monika > > P.S. You can email offlist with the answer if you know as I don't want to > > make a discussion out of this. There are more important things to discuss > > but > > my curiosity always eats at me. > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:24:26 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Joni question... I don't think she was, because at the time she was involved with Don Alias... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:38:08 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Joni & Jaco Hi Monika, did you read Karen O'Brien's "ultimate" Joni Biography? Leslie gave it to me when I was in LA some months ago - I just browsed through it again, and although I thought I remembered that Joni and Jaco had been involved I find no mention of it. She had something with Don Alias, though.... One thing I like about the biography is that it is relatively neutral when it comes to talking about Joni's romantic life, it mentions the facts but doesn't describe or interpret. It's not a novel. I am in fact listening to Jaco's debut album right now, from 1975. Before I joined here, I didn't even know his name. I read up about him on Wikipedia, and how he had told Joe Zawinul he was the best bass player in the World, and Zawinul thought he was a lunatic, until he heard him play. Zawinul is playing the Royal Theatre in Copenhagen tonight. Here is my Q: Jaco is pronounced Yaco, isn't he? Bn Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:24:03 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: A Joni question... I just have a quick question. Normally I don't ask these things (as its a private matter) but were Joni and Jaco Pastorius ever involved? I only ask due to something I read recently. - - -Monika P.S. You can email offlist with the answer if you know as I don't want to make a discussion out of this. There are more important things to discuss but my curiosity always eats at me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:14:12 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC Kurt Elling..? Would anyone recommend Kurt Elling? He is performing an open air concert here this afternoon; the program says he is one of the greatest jazz singers etc.... The recommendation has to be good, because it seems that it will rain! Bene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:35:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerry Subject: Les Paul njc Just popping in for a "heads-up." Les Paul (inventor of the solid body electric guitar) will be featured on American Masters tonight on PBS. Check local listings for time. Mr. Paul, who is 91, returned to his hometown here in Wisconsin for a benefit concert a few months ago, but it was sold out before I even heard about it! Enjoy! Kerry - --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:59:15 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Les Paul njc Actually he is 92. I was at his 92nd birthday celebration at the Iridium just last month! Thanks for the heads up. He is a true American icon. Jerry > Just popping in for a "heads-up." Les Paul (inventor of the solid body > electric guitar) will be featured on American Masters tonight on PBS. Check > local listings for time. > > Mr. Paul, who is 91, returned to his hometown here in Wisconsin for a > benefit concert a few months ago, but it was sold out before I even heard > about it! > > Enjoy! > > Kerry > > > --------------------------------- > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:26:54 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: A Joni question...NJC But his behavior was not. By all accounts he was already a heroin addict by the time he started playing for Joni and I can9t imagine Joni would put up with such nonsense from a lover. She had already been through that a decade before and was much older and wiser. And his wife Ingrid kept pretty close tabs on him. It was only years later when he would disappear for days that she divorced him. Jerry > I wonder why you say that? Seems reasonable to me, Jaco was a total hottie > and an unbelievable talent, not unlike James & Graham...db > >>>> >>> "Gerald A. Notaro" 7/10/2007 8:36 PM >>> > No one will ever know for sure but it is HIGHLY unlikely. > > Jerry > > Motitan@aol.com wrote: >> > I just have a quick question. Normally I don't ask these things (as its >> > a >> > private matter) but were Joni and Jaco Pastorius ever involved? I only >> > ask >> > due to something I read recently. >> > -Monika >> > P.S. You can email offlist with the answer if you know as I don't want to >> > make a discussion out of this. There are more important things to discuss >> > but >> > my curiosity always eats at me. >> > >> > >> > >> > ************************************** See what's free at >> > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:37:03 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: A Joni question...NJC I wonder why you say that? Seems reasonable to me, Jaco was a total hottie and an unbelievable talent, not unlike James & Graham...db >>> "Gerald A. Notaro" 7/10/2007 8:36 PM >>> No one will ever know for sure but it is HIGHLY unlikely. Jerry Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I just have a quick question. Normally I don't ask these things (as its > a > private matter) but were Joni and Jaco Pastorius ever involved? I only > ask > due to something I read recently. > -Monika > P.S. You can email offlist with the answer if you know as I don't want to > make a discussion out of this. There are more important things to discuss > but > my curiosity always eats at me. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ( http://www.aol.com./ ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:37:20 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: A Joni question...NJC See how much one can learn by being here? Thanks Jerry, I didn't know all that, can't judge a book by it's cover ya? db >>> Jerry Notaro 7/11/2007 9:26 AM >>> But his behavior was not. By all accounts he was already a heroin addict by the time he started playing for Joni and I can9t imagine Joni would put up with such nonsense from a lover. She had already been through that a decade before and was much older and wiser. And his wife Ingrid kept pretty close tabs on him. It was only years later when he would disappear for days that she divorced him. Jerry > I wonder why you say that? Seems reasonable to me, Jaco was a total hottie > and an unbelievable talent, not unlike James & Graham...db > >>>> >>> "Gerald A. Notaro" 7/10/2007 8:36 PM >>> > No one will ever know for sure but it is HIGHLY unlikely. > > Jerry > > Motitan@aol.com wrote: >> > I just have a quick question. Normally I don't ask these things (as its >> > a >> > private matter) but were Joni and Jaco Pastorius ever involved? I only >> > ask >> > due to something I read recently. >> > -Monika >> > P.S. You can email offlist with the answer if you know as I don't want to >> > make a discussion out of this. There are more important things to discuss >> > but >> > my curiosity always eats at me. >> > >> > >> > >> > ************************************** See what's free at >> > http://www.aol.com. ( http://www.aol.com./ ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:57:41 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: Judgement of the Moon and Stars Judgement of the Moon and Stars was the stand-out favorite of mine the first time I listened to FTR, many moons ago. In fact, it's one of my favorite Joni songs, and each time I listen to it, still to this day, I get that little pang of jealousy because I wish I had the gift with words that she does. Every time I hear the "that's no substitute for the song of a warm, warm body loving your touch", I still marvel at the lyric and wish it was mine. Anyway, the song is perfection. But I do know what Monika is talking about. I never took much of a shine to FTR other than Judgement. When I joined the list in 98 and met Joni gurus like Ashara and Kakki, and they would mention their love of FTR, I would think to myself "why?". And then, as always happens, you spin the thing one day and suddenly you are sucked into the vortex. I started falling in love with it about 5 years ago, and now I must say that the album is probably my favorite Joni (of course, this is always subject to change every 6 months or so!). And I did have that moment Monika talked about, not too long ago. I never really cared for the title track until recently, and now, I just keep hitting repeat. There is something so... oh this will sound so cheesy, but... velvety... LOL, I can describe it, but the way she phrases "on your mark red ribbon runner" is just beautiful. But anyway, I absolutely love the song now. I also had the same moment with Paprika Plains. At first, I just dismissed it as some 70's thing, you know, Joni's version of "Fool's Overture" or something, but then after giving it another chance.... I am amazed. And you know, being from the prairies, and having been on Railway Avenue in North Battleford, and having cleared the room to watch the sky a time or two, well, I knoe what she's talking about. Now, if I could only have that magic moment and get into WTRF too.... but I don't think that's gonna happen any time soon, as there are only about 3 tracks I can say I really love on there (and they ain't the ones people usually love, either). Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:44:40 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Judgement of the moon and stars; Joni's songs as life themes Monika schreibt: "Hello there and welcome back! How was Germany? It seems like such an interesting country especially with its extensive history. Some say they think the German language is the ugliest sounding language but I've always liked it. It's so raw and harsh." Monika, you think it's too raw? (appropriate-for-the-subject-line TIC here: You're too raw They think you're too raw It's the judgement of the moon and stars.....) Jawohl! Welcome back, Marion! I've always liked the German language, too. It's so "klipp und klar". I love the cadence and the intonation, too. From up and down, and still somehow! I love it when I walk into our grad student office and German natives are talking. It's music to my ears. It is unlike French where it all rolls together. The "klipp und klar" clarity can be a refreshing break for when your mind gets weak and lazy. But forget weak and lazy when you have to remember all the cases and declensions and stuff (der, die, das, dem, den, etc.)! I think it's a hard language for Americans to learn because students are no longer taught to diagram sentences, so they don't know the difference between a direct and an indirect object, etc. When I was a sophomore (sophomore jive) in high school (just about when Clouds was released), my school started offering German and I was one of the first to sign up. My friends thought I was crazy: "Why would you want to take TWO languages?" (I was already taking French.) Ha! I didn't listen to their sophomore jive I knew all along That they were all wrong And I knew that they thought I was crazy but I'm not Oh no I knew what was happening I knew I was a language genius...(well, not a genius, but a lover of language...) I had a thing that was unique and new... Cuz instead of one language, I took two! Monika also wrote: "But often I'll be talking to someone and a lyric or quote will pop into my head as a response to them and usually I respond with that lyric or quote. I do this with Joni songs all the time as well as quoting Nietzsche or sometimes even Shakespeare. Nobody ever knows what I'm talking about or more or less they don't realize I'm quoting something (it is particularly funny when doing so with Shakespeare and people don't realize its Shakespeare or maybe they just don't really listen??). A few times (with my brother) I quoted some Joni lyrics and he atleast realized I was quoting something. He just rolled his eyes and said, "what are you quoting now? Neil Young right? Or no, Joni Mitchell? Some more Nietzsche?" It's fun to confuse people...." Funny you should mention Shakespeare, because every time Joni pops in out of the blue (on the radio in the car, from the speakers in a restaurant, in a newspaper article, etc.) I immediately say to myself: "But soft! What light from yonder window breaks! It is the east, and Joni is the sun." And if she is quoted in an article, I always say: "She speaks. Oh, speak again, bright angel." And as for quoting Joni herself, a few weeks ago I was at my mother's bedside as she was returning to life (thank God for this miracle), and I knew it was finally safe to go home. So I bought me a plane ticket, and called my best friend to see if she could pick me up at the airport. (She and I became b/f over Joni in 1975 but I won't repeat the tale.) I said: "Don't worry if you can't. I'll just take my baggage off the carousel and take a taxi into town (and then I started singing) "Yellow schools of taxi fishes Jonah in a ticking whale Caught up at the light in the fishnet windows Of Bloomingdale's..." My mother just sat there shaking her head, and said: "I don't know why people don't just HANG UP ON YOU!" You just have to laugh, cuz it's all so crazy, this JMOCD! Love, Patti P. P.S. to Marion: In 1967 I moved to California and for some reason (Inger Stevens?) I was enamoured with the Swedish language. I couldn't speak it, but I often tried to speak with a Svedish accent. I met this cute boy (surfer boy Danny Baker, Kate!) one California night underneath the streetlights and pretended I was Swedish. Turns out his mom and my mom had become friends, and when his mom told him she wanted him to meet me, he told her he wasn't interested because he had just met a cute Swedish girl! LOL.... _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:58:13 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: NJC Kurt Elling..? At 05:14 AM 7/11/2007, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: >Would anyone recommend Kurt Elling? I'm sure you would receive an exuberant answer from Kakki on this but she is on digest and you need a quick response...so...by all means, check him out. Incredibly talented. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:40:38 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: NJC Kurt Elling..? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Price" > At 05:14 AM 7/11/2007, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: >>Would anyone recommend Kurt Elling? > > I'm sure you would receive an exuberant answer from Kakki on this but > she is on digest and you need a quick response...so...by all means, > check him out. Incredibly talented. > I'm partial to him because he read one of my poems on a jazz album (spoken word more than "read"). - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:15:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : NJC Kurt Elling..? Yep! Kurt Elling is a very inventive and daring jazz singer. This is a fact given that compared to female jazz singers, male jazz singers are quite a rare breed (and I don't count those who sing jazz standards as jazz singers right away). He styles himself a bit like a Beat artist. He recites poetry oftentimes of those written by its foremost practitioners like Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac, William Burroughs. He favors a more vocalese type of singing and I wont be surprised if he samples a lot of the repertoire of Lambert, Hendricks and Ross. Some find Elling's voice strident but it gives more gravitas and grit to the proceedings rather than a smoothed-out version with polished productions. Enjoy and let us know what oyu think. Joseph (who has not seen Kurt Elling perform live but has all but one -- The Messenger -- of his albums) np: Shanghai 5 - Dead Man in a Motel Room missblux@googlemail.com a icrit : Would anyone recommend Kurt Elling? He is performing an open air concert here this afternoon; the program says he is one of the greatest jazz singers etc.... The recommendation has to be good, because it seems that it will rain! Bene - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:36:56 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: NJC Kurt Elling..? Hey thanks! I did go, and it did rain, or drizzle rather, and he was good! He had a nice deep voice that could really fill the space although it was an open air concert. I liked his phrasing too, it was very classy. I didn't stay through all of the concert, though, I guess he lost me at some point... Bene On 7/11/07, Scott Price wrote: > At 05:14 AM 7/11/2007, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > >Would anyone recommend Kurt Elling? > > I'm sure you would receive an exuberant answer from Kakki on this but > she is on digest and you need a quick response...so...by all means, > check him out. Incredibly talented. > > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:44:59 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jaco In a message dated 7/11/2007 7:38:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, missblux@googlemail.com writes: did you read Karen O'Brien's "ultimate" Joni Biography? Leslie gave it to me when I was in LA some months ago - I just browsed through it again, and although I thought I remembered that Joni and Jaco had been involved I find no mention of it - ------------------------------------- Yes, I own it! It's a great read. You're right. There is no mention of them. I didn't think they were ever involved but I'd figure I ask you knowledgeable folks here. I read an article the other day that mentioned Jaco among Joni's many "famous lovers." Now that was the first I ever heard of that and I hardly believe everything I read. It seems an awful lot of journalists just like to lump in even people Joni SIMPLY KNEW into her "famous lovers" box. I've seen names before linked to her romantically where I know for a fact, that wasn't the case... - -Monika NP: Love The One You're With- Stephen Stills ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:21:29 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Les Paul njc Thanks for the heads up, Kerry- Les Paul was certainly a trailblazer, as well as a gifted guitarist. He was instrumental in inventing modern recording techniques; first sound on sound, and then the first multitrack tape recorder. He recieved one of the first tape recorders which the Germans had developed during WWII, and immediately started tinkering with it. As to the first solid body electric, Rickenbacher had one on the market before Les made his first experimental one. I will certainly try to catch this show- Here's an interview with Les- http://www.jinxmagazine.com/les_paul.html Here's an article about the origins of the electric guitar- http://www.kellyindustries.com/guitars.html RR > Just popping in for a "heads-up." Les Paul (inventor of the solid body > electric guitar) will be featured on American Masters tonight on PBS. > Check local listings for time. > > Mr. Paul, who is 91, returned to his hometown here in Wisconsin for a > benefit concert a few months ago, but it was sold out before I even heard > about it! > > Enjoy! > > Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:27:56 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Politics and fall guys (njc) and now partying for peace Some Ladies of the JMDL Canyon have been speaking out the past few day against the war. This is good. The war is the elephant in the room. As Marianne said, "invading countries. . it's all of our business" Applause, applause -- life is our cause! Isn't this why Joni is coming back out? And Mia wrote, in reponse to Jeannie's lamenting the absurdity we are faced with: "Shame on this administration (and the cowardly Dems) for making the US less safe and giving aid and comfort to the terrorists! The corruption just keeps getting worse each and every day....to the point where I almost feel the need to cover my eyes with my hands to avoid exposure to all this sickening crap!" I know, I know. When you think of the enormity of what is happening, it blows your heart and mind. The consequences that will haunt the whole world for years and years and years..... I saw a bumpersticker yesterday that I thought was right on: "We are making terrorists faster than we can kill them." But it is good to be angry and outraged. There can be power and motivation in that. My analyst told me: "Pure anger is good." We need to harness and channel our anger and outrage and put it into action (non-violent action, of course). Roar like forest fire and spread your light like blazes, all across the sky! Like with global warming, every little thing you do helps the cause. Switching light bulbs, bringing canvas bags to the grocery store, etc. I think it's the same with the anti-war movement. Wear a button, talk to people, sign a petition, join a demonstration, call your congressperson, write a letter....the momentum can build. If even the Republicans are now calling for a change in Bush's shtrategy, something is happening here! I want to share an opinion piece that might inspire you. It's called "Partying for Peace." I'll paste it as a P.S., apologizing in advance for the length -- although it's only ten paragraphs. I especially like the last two paragraphs. Peace, Patti P. P.S. "Heartland Partying for Peace By Nina Rothschild Utne Utne Reader May / June 2007 Issue Public protest doesn't seem to affect policy, and when rallies and marches are acknowledged at all, the number of people is always so woefully underreported that we demonstrators might as well be whistling into the wind. I've spent many hours in Lafayette Park, some of them in the company of homeless veterans, looking across at the White House, wondering if our presence was making any impact at all. So why do I do it? During the Vietnam War, President Nixon claimed he was unaffected by the demonstrators, that he didn't notice them because he was caught up watching football. Years later, people close to the administration said that the antiwar movement had Nixon gnashing his teeth and calling in advisers. So, regardless of how impervious our leadership appears, I like to think that my fellow protesters and I are having an impact (if only subliminally). Truth be told, though, the main reason I turn up at rallies and make cross-country treks to take action is that the thought of my children and other people's children being sacrificed to our government's public neglect and growing militarism makes me sick -- and I couldn't live with myself if I didn't take some sort of stand. At first, when I insisted on wearing pink, the color of choice for CODEPINK - -- a women-initiated, grassroots movement to stop the war in Iraq -- my children were embarrassed. When I got arrested, they concluded that I was exercising an exhibitionist streak. As we started to talk about how passionately I felt about showing up and being heard, however, they started coming with me. Now I joke about how my quality parental time is at protests. I'm only half kidding. In September 2005, one of my son Oliver's friends, Ezra, who is draft age, joined us in Washington. I volunteered the two of them for the pink-balloon-inflation assembly line. We worked tirelessly, tying so many balloons I ended up with a nasty blister. During the march, the sky was dotted with bright, vibrant specks of pink as far as we could see. I looked over at Ezra, who was beaming the way I remember him in elementary school. He gestured expansively: "It feels pretty powerful. I probably touched half of them." One of my sons stayed up most of the night with Cindy Sheehan at Camp Casey. He had volunteered for the security detail, and she couldn't sleep. Another of my boys was conscripted to take an aerial photo of antiwar protesters from atop the Washington Monument. They had lined their bodies up to spell "Mom Says NO WAR," and the picture made the newswire. Later that weekend, my youngest, a teenage musician and writer of peace songs, jammed until dawn in Lafayette Park. In a sense, these are pilgrimages to an alternative cultural universe. On November 17, 2002, I went to D.C. for CODEPINK's first vigil and fast. When I got there, I found a small, grubby office with a window looking onto an airshaft, a phone line, some eye-catching buttons that said CODEPINK, and a handful of like-minded souls who had caught the scent of something that, at the time, I could not quite articulate. We were creating to_gether, sleeping on floors, in tents, on park benches, and two to a bed with new best friends. There was a spirit of play and celebration and an intention to, in Gandhi's words, "be the change you want to see." Since then, CODEPINK (www.codepink4peace.org) has become a force with 300 chapters in 14 countries. Whenever I wear that pink button, I have remarkable encounters with every kind of person imaginable. I end up having conversations that take unexpected paths and remind me how much kindness and decency there is in the world. And that's the real reward. As Emma Goldman said, "If I can't dance, it's not my revolution." What I have discovered, as have my children, is that being around people who speak and act from the heart is a blast because they are imagining, improvising, and collaborating in service of a peaceful world that works for all. What better party could one hope to attend?" _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:25:41 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, homophobic surgeon general nominee Here is something I just learned and deemed shareworthy, esp. for all of our gay and lesbian friends: "The latest in Bush's series of inappropriate and ideologically-slanted nominees is Dr. James Holsinger of Kentucky, whom Bush has nominated to the post of United States Surgeon General. Holsinger has exhibited a pattern of hostility to gays and lesbians that is evident throughout his career." "Dr. James Holsinger co-founded a church in Kentucky that specializes in "conversion" therapy for gays and lesbians. Serving as a religious leader in the Methodist church, he opposed a decision to allow a lesbian to be an associate pastor, and supported a pastor who would not permit an openly gay man to join the church. He also authored an extensive paper attempting to make a medical argument that homosexuality is unnatural and unhealthy." Feeling contempt? Here is the link with more outrageous details, and a petition attached, so you can tell it: http://actforchange.workingassets.com/campaign/stop_holsinger xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:51:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: njc, homophobic surgeon general nominee And his previous Surgeon General: Former US Surgeon General Complains of Political Pressure By VOA News 11 July 2007 President Bush's former chief public health educator has told members of Congress he was repeatedly pressured to adhere to the administration's political agenda. Richard Carmona, U.S. Surgeon General from 2002 to 2006, told a congressional committee Tuesday that he was not allowed to speak out on stem-cell research, sex education and other issues. He said anything he tried to say that didn't fit the administration's political agenda was ignored, marginalized, or simply buried. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said later Tuesday it disagrees with Carmona's statements. Carmona's testimony came two days before the confirmation hearing of President Bush's new surgeon general nominee, James Holsinger. Carmona testified alongside former Surgeons General C. Everett Koop, who served under President Reagan, and David Satcher, who served under President Clinton and briefly under the first President Bush. All three said they were pressured to avoid certain controversial issues. Carmona said some of his predecessors told him the pressure on him seemed higher than it ever had in the past. Some information for this report was provided by Reuters. Patti Parlette wrote: > Here is something I just learned and deemed shareworthy, esp. for all of > our > gay and lesbian friends: > > "The latest in Bush's series of inappropriate and ideologically-slanted > nominees is Dr. James Holsinger of Kentucky, whom Bush has nominated to > the > post of United States Surgeon General. Holsinger has exhibited a pattern > of > hostility to gays and lesbians that is evident throughout his career." > > "Dr. James Holsinger co-founded a church in Kentucky that specializes in > "conversion" therapy for gays and lesbians. Serving as a religious leader > in > the Methodist church, he opposed a decision to allow a lesbian to be an > associate pastor, and supported a pastor who would not permit an openly > gay > man to join the church. He also authored an extensive paper attempting to > make a medical argument that homosexuality is unnatural and unhealthy." > > Feeling contempt? > > Here is the link with more outrageous details, and a petition attached, so > you can tell it: > > http://actforchange.workingassets.com/campaign/stop_holsinger > > xo, > > pp > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:21:28 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Wayne Shorter Quartet njc Whoo hoo, off to see Wayne Shorter Quartet on July 25th, front row seat 11. Happy as a proverbial sandboy. How you doing Michelle? mike in barcelona np Patti Smith Horses 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:25:19 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, homophobic surgeon general nominee Thanks, Jerry. And you know, there may be more Illumination Corruption "Dr. Carmona said he was ordered to mention President Bush three times on every page of his speeches. He also said he was asked to make speeches to support Republican political candidates and to attend political briefings. And administration officials even discouraged him from attending the Special Olympics because, he said, of that charitable organization's longtime ties to a "prominent family" that he refused to name. "I was specifically told by a senior person, 'Why would you want to help those people?' " Dr. Carmona said. The Special Olympics is one of the nation's premier charitable organizations to benefit disabled people, and the Kennedys have long been deeply involved in it. When asked after the hearing if that "prominent family" was the Kennedys, Dr. Carmona responded, "You said it. I didn't."" That's from: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/washington/11surgeon.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Let these walls come tumbling down! Patti P. >And his previous Surgeon General: > >Former US Surgeon General Complains of Political Pressure >By VOA News >11 July 2007 > > >President Bush's former chief public health educator has told members of >Congress he was repeatedly pressured to adhere to the administration's >political agenda. > >Richard Carmona, U.S. Surgeon General from 2002 to 2006, told a >congressional committee Tuesday that he was not allowed to speak out on >stem-cell research, sex education and other issues. He said anything he >tried to say that didn't fit the administration's political agenda was >ignored, marginalized, or simply buried. > >The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said later Tuesday it >disagrees with Carmona's statements. > >Carmona's testimony came two days before the confirmation hearing of >President Bush's new surgeon general nominee, James Holsinger. > >Carmona testified alongside former Surgeons General C. Everett Koop, who >served under President Reagan, and David Satcher, who served under >President Clinton and briefly under the first President Bush. > >All three said they were pressured to avoid certain controversial issues. >Carmona said some of his predecessors told him the pressure on him seemed >higher than it ever had in the past. > >Some information for this report was provided by Reuters. _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:00:32 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: NJC Stephen Stills release... Hey to any of you Stills fans! For those who may not know and are interested, a recording from 1968 was just released that contains some of Stephen's most classic songs. For more info go to: _http://www.stephenstills.com/_ (http://www.stephenstills.com/) JUST ROLL TAPE - APRIL 26th 1968 bI was at a Judy Collins session in New York in 1968, and when she was finished, I peeled off a few hundreds for the engineer so I could make a tape of my new songs. Some youbll know; some you might not. The following fall we made the first CSN album, and the tape has been lost to the wind for almost 40 years. Somehow itbs found its way back, and these songs now feel like great friends when they were really young.b b Stephen Stills -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:23:18 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC Stephen Stills release... THANK YOU, Monika! I'm a casual Stills fan, but this is the absolute pinnacle of his songwriting skill. Call it his Judy Collins period. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Motitan@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:01 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: NJC Stephen Stills release... Hey to any of you Stills fans! For those who may not know and are interested, a recording from 1968 was just released that contains some of Stephen's most classic songs. For more info go to: _http://www.stephenstills.com/_ (http://www.stephenstills.com/) JUST ROLL TAPE - APRIL 26th 1968 bI was at a Judy Collins session in New York in 1968, and when she was finished, I peeled off a few hundreds for the engineer so I could make a tape of my new songs. Some youbll know; some you might not. The following fall we made the first CSN album, and the tape has been lost to the wind for almost 40 years. Somehow itbs found its way back, and these songs now feel like great friends when they were really young.b b Stephen Stills -Monika ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:09:23 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: Politics and fall guys (njc) Bree, you want me to expound on my venting that I can't stand discovering more bad news which is making me absolutely sick? Why? So I can get even more sick by rehashing the excruciating details that have already been discussed here before? Why do you need to be enlightened? You've heard it all before. I was merely clarifying that Valerie Plame was indeed covert (did that enlighten you?), but my built-up anger got the best of me, and I needed to vent, not debate, which I've never been very good at because I don't keep notecards of everything I've read or heard available at my fingertips. But the conclusions I've come to is that this administration, congress, and the corporate cronies that go with it, have sold us down a river. All the lies, bullying, smug frat boy behavior, circumventing the constitution, falsifying scientific reports (eg. climate change), intimidating and firing those who differ and do not play along, Medicare Part D arm twisting, testiifying "I don't know, don't recall" countless times, endangering CIA agents and contacts, etc, .. Heckuvajob... The war in Iraq was sold to us based on a lie. What? The administration did not have accurate information? Oh, gee, well then I guess they are not corrupt, they are instead inept. Each and everyday the lives that are taken and affected by this corruption, er,, ineptness are mounting. The debt to pay for this immoral occupation in Irag, which has become a haven for terrorist recruits, has to be financed by China. We don't have the money, because all Bush's "haves and have-mores" (yes, Bush really said that, it's on video-disgusting behavior) have gotten huge tax breaks and no money is coming in. Meanwhile, the corporate cronies, especially in defense and oil, are making out like bandits. When Warren Buffet is shocked that people like him are getting more corporate welfare, something is definitely wrong. Each and everyday, the debt and deficit are mounting. Where is all the money going to come from to take care of our elderly, disabled, children's education, etc... when it's all been pissed away. Yeah, sure, things appear fine now, but when we have to pay the piper, interest rates will go thru the roof affecting the economy and jobs, ... all this stuff makes me sick to think about. I'd like to say, oh well, we get what we deserve; but it's our children, grandchildren, and so on that will have to pay for our mistake - our blindness. What a waste! It really is, as Joni said, the beginning of survival, unless we change course soon. I must go find a happy place now. Got any suggestions? Mia -now thinking of the band Devo. <> _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #264 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------