From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #261 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 10 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 261 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: some obscure Joni videos on Youtube [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: NJC Fitzgerald a Liberal? Bree ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] RE: NJC stop hounding the Clintons!! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Politics NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: All We Are Saying Documentary ["Randy Remote" ] njc, On a Journey for Humanity & another demonstration on Sept. 15th ["Pa] Re: Politics NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] All We Are Saying (Documentary Film) [simon@icu.com] Judgement Of The Moon And Stars [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars ["AJ" ] Re: All We Are Saying Documentary njc [jeannie ] Re: All We Are Saying Documentary njc [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars [Victor Johnson ] Fw: Politics and fall guys (njc) [] RE: Fw: Politics NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Politics NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] NJC VVVVVVLJC The hope and the hopelessness I've witnessed...then Showtime ["Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: some obscure Joni videos on Youtube Thanks for these, Michael. I don't usually check these things out but had to see what made you think of me. Hejira was nice. Maybe something I would do. It's nice to know that my work stays in some people's minds. Therefore, I can extrapolate that it is also appreciated. Thanks for that. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:14:12 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: All We Are Saying Documentary Nice try, Janet. I think she just meant that Joni appears on the documentary. Personally, I wouldn't mind either way. Dream on. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:28:13 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: NJC stop hounding the Clintons!! As for Bill clinton ///// Yes bree but you forget that " Bill Lied but no one Died" did they !!! unlike some one else we all know. he left office with a surplus and was popular around the world unlike someone else we all know It makes me Laugh when Republicans try to excuse there failings and Mistakes by saying " Well the Democrats did it 8 years ago" as though that makes it alright ????? Arnt the Republicans supposed to be better??? Lets face it even most Republican senators are not supporting Bush these days " Imagration bill" Look for Republican reaction to letting Mexican Truck drivers drive accross the border, very soon Something else G W Bush is pushing for, why I dont know ??? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:46:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: NJC Fitzgerald a Liberal? Bree Bree wrote: The prosecutor went ahead ..because of politics ....and presented a scenario to the jury...as I understand ..the leaker was not Libby..but Richard Armitage. Fitzgerald knew there was no underlying crime to begin with...yet he proceeded. ...knowing full well it was Armitage. Valerie Plame was NOT covert..no crime. So know your saying that Fitzgerald is a stupic Liberal ???? Mmmmn now if the Case had gone to the supreme Court we all know how they would have preceded dont we know ???? Yes the real truth is Fizgerald knows as do we all, that Rove and Cheney planned all of this and the reward for LIbby keeping quiet whas what happend last week. And if Valerie Plame was not covert why did he Lie ??? why not tell the truth. And lastly you seem to be saying that the only good Prosecutor is a Good old Republican one Democratic ones are scum, this is what you seem to be saying. Why dont you just simply say I support G W Bush and be done with it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: NJC Fitzgerald a Liberal? Bree AND the judge who sentenced Libby was a Bush appointee. Bush said he was looking for a no-nonsense judge when he appointed him! Andeemac2006 wrote: > Bree wrote: > > The prosecutor went ahead ..because of politics ....and presented a > scenario > to the jury...as I understand ..the leaker was not Libby..but Richard > Armitage. Fitzgerald knew there was no underlying crime to begin > with...yet he proceeded. ...knowing full well it was Armitage. Valerie > Plame was NOT covert..no crime. > > So know your saying that Fitzgerald is a stupic Liberal ???? Mmmmn now if > the Case had gone to the supreme Court we all know how they would have > preceded dont we know ???? > > Yes the real truth is Fizgerald knows as do we all, that Rove and Cheney > planned all of this and the reward for LIbby keeping quiet whas what > happend last week. > > And if Valerie Plame was not covert why did he Lie ??? why not tell the > truth. > And lastly you seem to be saying that the only good Prosecutor is a Good > old Republican one > Democratic ones are scum, this is what you seem to be saying. > > Why dont you just simply say I support G W Bush and be done with it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:49:02 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: NJC Fitzgerald a Liberal? Bree Ok...you support G W Bush. > >Why dont you just simply say I support G W Bush and be done with it. _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:06:35 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Fw: Politics NJC I'm all for relaxing drug laws..in fact...I'm really for decriminalization. As far as Rush....he wasn't trafficking....he just got hooked on pills his doctor prescribed. He was hurting himself..way more than society. >We have an effective, cost saving & compassionate program in CA which >allows >those who are arrested for first time nonviolent drug offenses to not be >imprisoned if they chose recovery. > >Limbaugh's views on the subject, prior to his arrest, were as uninformed, >bellicose & hateful as is typical of his opinions on so many subjects. I >don't know if he's changed his arrogant attitude since he was arrested but >I >remember thinking he's going to have a hard time in rehab because of the >humility required on so many levels. > >Some of his opinions on drug use have included: > >"And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be >accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up." > >"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug >use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are >getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity >is >not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in >jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones >who >are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too." > >"I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about >substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right."I know >every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the >disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making >a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel >very strongly about that."..." > >"I'm appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent >behavior and say, "Hey, you know, we can't control it anymore. People are >going to do drugs anyway. Let's legalize it." It's a dumb idea. It's a >rotten idea, and those who are for it are purely, 100 percent selfish." _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:12:37 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: NJC stop hounding the Clintons!! You are preaching to the choir....I hate Bush's immigration views. HATE:!! And I have wondered time and time again...what is he thinking?? for Bill clinton ///// Yes bree but you forget that " Bill Lied but no one Died" did they !!! unlike some one else we all know. >he left office with a surplus and was popular around the world >unlike someone else we all know > >It makes me Laugh when Republicans try to excuse there failings and >Mistakes by saying " Well the Democrats did it 8 years ago" as though that >makes it alright ????? Arnt the Republicans supposed to be better??? > >Lets face it even most Republican senators are not supporting Bush these >days " Imagration bill" >Look for Republican reaction to letting Mexican Truck drivers drive accross >the border, very soon >Something else G W Bush is pushing for, why I dont know ??? _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:25:13 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Fw: Politics NJC That is funny how two people can have two such opposing views. I feel Rush really loves woman..strong woman even. He speaks very highly of Rice....and many other women in the public eye. Rush adored his late mother. Rush has had a cigar or two with Camile Paglia. A lot of conservative men are painted with that.....I just don't see it. I think it is unfair. > >I've listened to RL & he's definitely a misogynist... if he's attempting >humor of some kind, it is lost on me _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:03:50 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC I'm gonna guess... Rush Limbaugh? Jim L. >Who's this fool, RL? >jeannie Kate Bennett wrote: >>Here are some choice tidbits from the brilliant mind of RL- >>"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier >>access to the mainstream of society." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:14:06 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Politics NJC I hardly think conservatives Camille Paglia and Condi Rice, and his mother, represent the gamut of women. > That is funny how two people can have two such opposing views. I feel > Rush really loves woman..strong woman even. He speaks very highly of > Rice....and many other women in the public eye. Rush adored his late > mother. Rush has had a cigar or two with Camile Paglia. A lot of > conservative men are painted with that.....I just don't see it. I think > it is unfair. > > >> >> I've listened to RL & he's definitely a misogynist... if he's attempting >> humor of some kind, it is lost on me > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:38:54 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: All We Are Saying Documentary This is an excellent film made by actress Rosanna Arquette, in which she interviews the likes of Joni, Chrissie Hynde, David Crosby, and many others about the music business. Highly recommended! RR >I was surfing channels just a bit ago and I came across a documentary on >Showtime. It's on right now and guess who comes out on it? > > ~~~Ms. JONI MITCHELL~~~ > > Setting the DVR to record the whole of the program which will re-run next > Wednesday. > > Has anyone ever seen it? > > jeannie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:52:09 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, On a Journey for Humanity & another demonstration on Sept. 15th WARNING: Political content "Summer of Love '07 On a Journey for Humanity Cindy Sheehan The other day I came out of my short retirement due to yet another Bush flagrant abuse of power. We decided that we would walk from Atlanta (note from PP: the beginning point has been changed to Crawford TX) to DC to gather a people's movement for humanity. The longer BushCo are in office the less chance we have of recovering the heart and soul of our nation, saving our soldiers and the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, and saving the planet from corporate and individual waste and pollution. Impeachment, removal from office, and in a perfect world: incarceration for the criminals against humanity, are urgent and necessary steps that need to be taken today.......... On July 29th, we will be re-creating the Summer of Love and hold a "Gather-in of Hearts" in Central Park with leading activists and musical entertainment. Proceeds will go to Iraqi Refugees and for medical supplies for Iraqi hospitals." More info is at: http://www.thecampcaseypeaceinstitute.org/ Sherelle, meet ya back at the Imagine mosaic! ; ) I paste here below the tentative walk route. If you should see these dedicated folks marching, please, if you are so inclined, give them a honk or a wave or a thumbs-up. I know from experience that these gestures of solidarity are extremely uplifting. Date Leave Arrive July 10 Crawford Tx Houston Tx July 11 Houston Tx. New Orleans La. July 12 New Orleans La. Montgomery Al. July 13 Montgomery Al. Ft. Benning Ga, July 14 Ft. Benning Ga Atlanta Ga. July 15 Atlanta Ga. Gainsville Ga. July 16 Ganisville Ga. Clemson SC July 17 Clemson SC Charlotte NC July 18 Charlotte NC Greensboro NC July 19 Greensboro NC Lynchburg NC July 20 Lynchburg NC Charlottesville Va July 21 Charlottesville Va. Richmond Va. July 22 Richmond Va. Arlington Va July 23 Arlington Cem White House/ Capital July 23 Washington DC Philadelphia PA. July 24 Philadelphia PA Allentown PA July 25 Allentown PA New York City NY July 26 United Nations Action July 27 Begin to Gather at Central Park July 28 TBA July 29 Gathering of Hearts Fest Central Park And in other actions, this one looks like a biggie: "Thousands of Americans from around the country will join together to demand the impeachment of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and insist on the immediate end to the war in Iraq. September 15th is the date General David Petraeus is mandated to make a report to Congress on the progress of the so-called surge. The eyes of the national and international media will be focused on Washington DC at that time. In the coming weeks we will be taking out newspaper ads, producing 500,000 leaflets, flyers, and stickers, and setting up outreach committees for the September 15th March in Washington all over the country." That's from http://www.impeachbush.org September 15th. I wonder if "Shine" will be out yet? Okay, now back to your regularly scheduled all-Joni-all-the-time programming! Love & Peace, Patti P. P.S. Give her an inch and she'll take a mile (TIC! of aisles): if you want to support Kucinich's H. Res. 333 to impeach Cheney, voila: http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/codepink/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=651 _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:21:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Politics NJC If I'm not mistaken, Rush is the guy who gave us the term "Feminazi" to pretty much label any woman who disagrees with him (strong or not). Of course, you can always debate as to how much of him is sincere and how much is created to generate publicity and sell his products to those who buy into his schtick. Bob NP: Nellie McKay, "Long & Lazy River" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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It's on right now and guess who comes out on it? > ~~~Ms. JONI MITCHELL~~~ Setting the DVR to record the whole of > the program which will re-run next Wednesday. > Has anyone ever seen it? > > jeannie and Monika wrote > How interesting. I've never heard of this and I don't have Showtime. > After you watch it, could you explain what exactly it is about > (I can presume a few things from the title but love details!) > ...what Joni said...etc etc.? I'm very curious. > > Thanks! > Monika here's a short description from The Internet Movie Database: ALL WE ARE SAYING is a compelling, personal look at what makes musicians tick. Rosanna Arquette follows up her critically acclaimed documentary directorial debut, Searching for Debra Winger, with a look into the psyches of some of the top musical artists of the day. Through a series of intimate conversations, over fifty musical legends, hot new artists and music industry insiders reveal what inspires them, their personal struggles of balancing relationships and family while working on the road and the state of the music business in the 21st Century. Presented as an ongoing, casual conversation, the film offers a unique insight into the artists most candid and personal thoughts. http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0458314/ Joni was interviewed by Rosanna Arquette, at home in Los Angeles, on May 3, 2004. the film was featured at the Tribeca Film Festival in April 2005 and was first broadcast on the Showtime cable channel on March 8, 2006. here's the description from the Tribeca Film Festival WebSite: ALL WE ARE SAYING Special Screenings U.S.A., 2005, 100 min, Color New York Premiere The overwhelming bevy of underwhelming pop tarts, trite boy bands, toy rockers, and overhyped rappers that have held the music charts hostage over the past few years has inspired actress-turned-filmmaker Rosanna Arquette to confiscate pop music's microphone and return it to some of its greatest songwriters, singers, and musicians so they can wax poetic about the state of music today, how they balance life and art, and their muses in rock 'n' roll. Important artists in nearly every genre, from the 1960s to present day, are represented, including Willie Nelson, Burt Bacharach, Stevie Nicks, Don Henley, Peter Gabriel, Iggy Pop, Sting, Boy George, Annie Lennox, Mary J. Blige, Flea, Sheryl Crow, and Andri 3000. Through a series of interviews set in the warm, intimate confines of these rockers' homes, backstage dressing rooms, and recording studios, Arquette's two-camera chat-fest allows audiences to become a fly on the wall to refreshingly honest, sometimes funny, and mostly thought-provoking conversations. There's David Crosby observing that he finds Britney Spears 'as deep as a birdbath, compared to Joni Mitchell,' while Mitchell herself reveals that she opts out of today's music game because she dislikes the record promotion machine. And then there's punk icon Patti Smith, who gets sweetly tender when discussing the joys of parenting in rock 'n' roll. Unlike most celebrity-driven, puff-piece documentaries, this film is an enjoyably lean tjte-`-tjte-even the few tangents are engrossing. A must-see for all music lovers. http://www.tribecafilmfestival.org/tixSYS/archive/eventnote.php?EventNumber=2 0053101 you'll find additional information on the ALL WE ARE SAYING WebSite at the following URL: http://www.allwearesaying.net/ the WebSite includes a Promo Video Trailer, an interview with Rosanna Arquette originally broadcast on Sirius Satellite Radio as well as her May 10, 2005 appearance on the Tavis Smiley Show. the SHOWTIME rebroadcast schedule can be found at the following URL: http://www.sho.com/site/schedules/product_page.do?seriesid=0&episodeid=126942 perhaps this answers a few questions andmoreagain, - - - - - - - - - - simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:24:51 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars The other day I was listening to FTR and decided to give this song another listen (also listened to it again eariler today). I haven't listened to this particular track since the first few days of having the album. I decided I didn't like the song at that time. But as it happens to be, every now and again I give songs I don't like by artists I like another chance. Often more than once. I'd say 70% of the time it doesn't work. You give it another listen and you still don't catch the magic. You continue on with your day. Then there's that 30% of the time where you "find" something you didn't get before. Listening to this track now, I can't figure out why it didn't strike me immediately. I can't understand what I didn't like about it then. The piano is very pretty all throughout and Joni is really stretching her "arrangement" skills. My favorite part of the song is the vocal melody with these lyrics: "Or take a walk A park A bridge A tree A river Revoked but not yet cancelled The gift goes on" I just love how she sings this part and the woven yet hasty melody (vocally) that goes with it. What do you make of the song? Are there some songs you didn't like from the start and then realized what you missed? - -Monika NP: Train In Vain- The Clash ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:18:03 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars This is my (emotional) favorite of all Mitchell songs--I'd like someone to sing it at my memorial service. I love the music, I love the lyric, I love the message. I've loved it since I first heard it, the spring of 1973. Fantastic song, life-affirming without being in the least bit treacly or sentimental. You gotta roar like forest fire, AJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars > The other day I was listening to FTR and decided to give this song > another > listen (also listened to it again eariler today). I haven't listened to > this > particular track since the first few days of having the album. I decided > I > didn't like the song at that time. > But as it happens to be, every now and again I give songs I don't like > by artists I like another chance. Often more than once. I'd say 70% of > the > time it doesn't work. You give it another listen and you still don't > catch > the magic. You continue on with your day. Then there's that 30% of the > time > where you "find" something you didn't get before. > Listening to this track now, I can't figure out why it didn't strike > me > immediately. I can't understand what I didn't like about it then. The > piano > is very pretty all throughout and Joni is really stretching her > "arrangement" skills. My favorite part of the song is the vocal melody > with these lyrics: > "Or take a walk > A park > A bridge > A tree > A river > Revoked but not yet cancelled > The gift goes on" > I just love how she sings this part and the woven yet hasty melody > (vocally) that goes with it. What do you make of the song? Are there > some songs > you didn't like from the start and then realized what you missed? > -Monika > NP: Train In Vain- The Clash > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:45:37 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: All We Are Saying Documentary njc Hello, Mark in Australia. Am I now, " Janet?" Sorry my wording of the description of the documentary was done incorrectly--I was in a big rush to view whatever was left of the program, trying at the same time to find the record buttons on the remote, as my new baby rescue black boy poodle was gnawing at my feet. BTW, some of the names I have in mind for this 8 week old all black, beautiful male toy poodle, of which I rescued from a sure death, along with two of his brothers, one of which died in my arms :(::::: {me, in tears} are: Boticelli Black Boy Baby Cakes Satchmo Mingus Gigolo Kohl Any other Joni-related names are welcomed suggestions. And to the editors here on board, PLEASE forgive my terrible grammatical etiquette. My old English teachers would put me at the Magdalene Laundries if they only knew. Thanks! jeannie PS. This is the first for a, "Janet." Since I was a kid, they've mistakenly called me Judy or Norma Jones and so forth, but never, Janet. How can I be, "I dream of Janet with the light brown hair." It just don't work. - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Nice try, Janet. I think she just meant that Joni > appears on the > documentary. Personally, I wouldn't mind either way. > > Dream on. > > Mark in Sydney > Dreaming the Dreamland for you and me and everybody, ALWAYS Jeannie ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: NJC stop hounding the Clintons!! Look, I'm from S. Texas, and my people, according to my geneology were Sephardic Jew, all of whom founded Monterrey, Mexico. They assimilated eventually into the culture. I studied there 2 1/2 years, along with my son. I have part of me in Mexico because it truly is in ALL of me, like holy, holy wine. That being said, I have more right to speak about the Mexicans without being shot at for being pro or con the immigration issues. The influx of poor, uneducated Mexicans must stop already. First of all, for there own sake. The lose their identity here and the children suffer immensely because they have NO culture of their own to feel part of the system. Nor do they have proper upbringing because all the parents know is WORK, WORK, WORK, like the beasts of burden. The school systems where the immigrant's children attend are an absolute atrocity. They get fat like most American children because of this fast food junk shit they call food. Mexico HAS to start a distribution of their grand wealth with their people now. The government is one of the most crooked in the world. It's greed galore. If any country needs a revolution, it's Mexico. A revolution with out the bloodshed. Sub-Comandante Marcos told the public that the poor shall all lay down their arms because the battle to be won now shall come from within. Guns are useless now--it's now a spiritual battle. Jeannie Andeemac2006 wrote: > As for Bill clinton ///// Yes bree but you forget > that " Bill Lied but no one Died" did they !!! > unlike some one else we all know. > he left office with a surplus and was popular around > the world > unlike someone else we all know > > It makes me Laugh when Republicans try to excuse > there failings and Mistakes by saying " Well the > Democrats did it 8 years ago" as though that makes > it alright ????? Arnt the Republicans supposed to > be better??? > > Lets face it even most Republican senators are not > supporting Bush these days " Imagration bill" > Look for Republican reaction to letting Mexican > Truck drivers drive accross the border, very soon > Something else G W Bush is pushing for, why I dont > know ??? > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:31:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: RE: Fw: Politics NJC He did way more than take pills his doctor prescribed, Bree. It's not against the law to get hooked on pills prescribed by a doctor. He received about 2,000 painkillers, prescribed by four doctors in six months by fraudulently deceiving the doctors. Bree Mcdonough wrote: > I'm all for relaxing drug laws..in fact...I'm really for > decriminalization. > As far as Rush....he wasn't trafficking....he just got hooked on pills > his > doctor prescribed. He was hurting himself..way more than society. > > > >>We have an effective, cost saving & compassionate program in CA which >>allows >>those who are arrested for first time nonviolent drug offenses to not be >>imprisoned if they chose recovery. >> >>Limbaugh's views on the subject, prior to his arrest, were as uninformed, >>bellicose & hateful as is typical of his opinions on so many subjects. I >>don't know if he's changed his arrogant attitude since he was arrested >> but >>I >>remember thinking he's going to have a hard time in rehab because of the >>humility required on so many levels. >> >>Some of his opinions on drug use have included: >> >>"And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be >>accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up." >> >>"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug >>use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites >> are >>getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity >>is >>not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others >> in >>jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones >>who >>are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too." >> >>"I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about >>substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right."I >> know >>every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the >>disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are >> making >>a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I >> feel >>very strongly about that."..." >> >>"I'm appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent >>behavior and say, "Hey, you know, we can't control it anymore. People are >>going to do drugs anyway. Let's legalize it." It's a dumb idea. It's a >>rotten idea, and those who are for it are purely, 100 percent selfish." > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:13:40 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: All We Are Saying Documentary njc Actually, Jeannie, my message was directed to Janet Hess who was a bit excited at the prospect of Joni coming out. Mark On 10/07/2007, at 7:45 AM, jeannie wrote: > Hello, Mark in Australia. > > Am I now, " Janet?" > > Sorry my wording of the description of the documentary > was done incorrectly--I was in a big rush to view > whatever was left of the program, trying at the same > time to find the record buttons on the remote, as my > new baby rescue black boy poodle was gnawing at my > feet. > > BTW, some of the names I have in mind for this 8 week > old all black, beautiful male toy poodle, of which I > rescued from a sure death, along with two of his > brothers, one of which died in my arms :(::::: {me, > in tears} are: > > Boticelli Black Boy > Baby Cakes > Satchmo > Mingus > Gigolo > Kohl > > Any other Joni-related names are welcomed suggestions. > > And to the editors here on board, PLEASE forgive my > terrible grammatical etiquette. My old English > teachers would put me at the Magdalene Laundries if > they only knew. > > Thanks! > > jeannie > > PS. This is the first for a, "Janet." > > Since I was a kid, they've mistakenly called me Judy > or Norma Jones and so forth, but never, Janet. > > How can I be, "I dream of Janet with the light brown > hair." > It just don't work. > > --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > >> Nice try, Janet. I think she just meant that Joni >> appears on the >> documentary. Personally, I wouldn't mind either way. >> >> Dream on. >> >> Mark in Sydney >> > > Dreaming the Dreamland for you and me and everybody, > ALWAYS > > Jeannie > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars JOTMAS was my hands-down fave the very first time I heard FTR. Like all of her best songs, it succeeds on EVERY level; musically, lyrically, emotionally. It is a paean to Beethoven. I refer to it as "Joni Symphony #1", where Down To You is #2 and Paprika Plains is #3. Bob NP: Joni, "Hejira" (S&L version with that breathtaking Michael Brecker solo) - --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:12:48 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars I love this song and played it on piano at Jonifest 2000 with Leslie Mixon singing....and I'm probably the only person to ever play Judgement of the Moon and Stars into Terrapin Station which I did at Full Moon in 2002...lol Victor On Jul 9, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > JOTMAS was my hands-down fave the very first time I heard FTR. Like > all of her best songs, it succeeds on EVERY level; musically, > lyrically, emotionally. > > It is a paean to Beethoven. > > I refer to it as "Joni Symphony #1", where Down To You is #2 and > Paprika Plains is #3. > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "Hejira" (S&L version with that breathtaking Michael > Brecker solo) > > > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos > new Car Finder tool. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars one of my very fave Joni songs and on that album second only to WOHAM. But one thing that freaked me out the 1st couple of times I heard JOTMAS, was that sonic flute *train wreck*. You're too RAW! :) Em - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I just love how she sings this part and the woven yet hasty > melody > (vocally) that goes with it. What do you make of the song? Are > there some songs > you didn't like from the start and then realized what you missed? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:09:43 -0700 From: Subject: Fw: Politics and fall guys (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: kbhla@fastmail.fm To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Politics and fall guys (njc) Plame was not covert and had not been for many years. There was no "leak" that she was covert. There were journalists, such as Novak, who wanted to find out more about the story that Saddam had tried to obtain yellowcake from Niger. He eventually interviewed Richard Armitage about the story. When asked how Joe Wilson was sent to check out the intelligence, Armitage said that Wilson's wife, who works in the CIA, recommended him. Period. Not that she was a covert agent, (which she was not). Novak is now talking and has a book out. Here is a link from the Chicago Sun Times excerpting Novak's book and tells you in his own words the "back story." If Plame had been covert and had been exposed by Armitage or anyone else, they would have been prosecuted for that and probably all be spending long terms in prison. They were not prosecuted because she was not covert - therefore, no crime. Other journalists sought out others in the administration about the Niger story. Libby was one of them. Libby's recollection and testimony of what he discussed with a journalist is at issue here. It has nothing to do with him "leaking" that she was covert. It's an offshoot of the original investigation in that Libby was prosecuted for perjury because his testimony differed from the journalist. Here's Novak's back story. http://www.suntimes.com:80/news/metro/459624,CST-NWS-prince08.article Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:38:12 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Fw: Politics NJC Yes....yes. Jerry..he was definitely in the wrong. Doctor shopping ..well..it will get you into trouble...pills will give you brand new ills. I was very disappointed when that came out about him..in fact..I think I tried to avoid hearing about it...more human now. >He did way more than take pills his doctor prescribed, Bree. It's not >against the law to get hooked on pills prescribed by a doctor. He received >about 2,000 painkillers, prescribed by four doctors in six months by >fraudulently deceiving the doctors. > >Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > I'm all for relaxing drug laws..in fact...I'm really for > > decriminalization. > > As far as Rush....he wasn't trafficking....he just got hooked on pills > > his > > doctor prescribed. He was hurting himself..way more than society. > > > > > > > >>We have an effective, cost saving & compassionate program in CA which > >>allows > >>those who are arrested for first time nonviolent drug offenses to not be > >>imprisoned if they chose recovery. > >> > >>Limbaugh's views on the subject, prior to his arrest, were as >uninformed, > >>bellicose & hateful as is typical of his opinions on so many subjects. I > >>don't know if he's changed his arrogant attitude since he was arrested > >> but > >>I > >>remember thinking he's going to have a hard time in rehab because of the > >>humility required on so many levels. > >> > >>Some of his opinions on drug use have included: > >> > >>"And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be > >>accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up." > >> > >>"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug > >>use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites > >> are > >>getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this >disparity > >>is > >>not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others > >> in > >>jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones > >>who > >>are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too." > >> > >>"I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about > >>substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right."I > >> know > >>every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into >the > >>disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are > >> making > >>a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I > >> feel > >>very strongly about that."..." > >> > >>"I'm appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent > >>behavior and say, "Hey, you know, we can't control it anymore. People >are > >>going to do drugs anyway. Let's legalize it." It's a dumb idea. It's a > >>rotten idea, and those who are for it are purely, 100 percent selfish." > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:41:21 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Politics NJC me ;-0 >I hardly think conservatives Camille Paglia and Condi Rice, and his mother, >represent the gamut of women. > > > > > > That is funny how two people can have two such opposing views. I feel > > Rush really loves woman..strong woman even. He speaks very highly >of > > Rice....and many other women in the public eye. Rush adored his late > > mother. Rush has had a cigar or two with Camile Paglia. A lot of > > conservative men are painted with that.....I just don't see it. I >think > > it is unfair. > > > > > >> > >> I've listened to RL & he's definitely a misogynist... if he's >attempting > >> humor of some kind, it is lost on me > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://newlivehotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:25:37 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: NJC VVVVVVLJC The hope and the hopelessness I've witnessed...then Showtime In a message dated 7/7/2007 5:56:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes back to Monika: Only took me 42 years to do so but so be it! > Hey, that's great news, Monika - but please explain the "42 years" part... - - ------------------- No problem. Writing on the internet, as opposed to talking in person, is very limited and easily miscontrued. You don't get a person's tone of voice or facial expression. I was just being sarcastic as it has taken me so long to get a radio job. - - -Monika Great news, Monika! I hope there is good reception for you and that this is beginning of a great career for you. (I'm thinking of you now as I watch "Wonder Years" -- a great episode about sister Karen, the Joni look-alike - -- with that brother Wayne, who reminds me of yours...lol) And welcome back, Musik Meister. With all the painted ponies going up and down in my life, I missed that you were going off to the beach. Sorry all that green water in motion brought you so much seaweed! I was wondering where you were -- I though maybe you became a free man in Paris and went to Eva Longoria's wedding! And on another topic: thanks, Jeannie, for all the Showtime suggestions. I don't have Showtime...maybe I should call my cable company tomorrow. Sounds like there is some great stuff there, like "Weeds" which y'all are always talking about. There was something in the paper tonight about it...hold on....let me google..... Okay, voila (with a spoiler alert for those who like to be surprised): "Little Verses, Little Verses Won't Sound Just The Same Hartford Courant, Maryellen Fillo Beginning next month, a decidedly quirky assortment of artists will sing "Little Boxes," the theme of Showtime's Emmy-nominated series, "Weeds." The show's third season begins Aug. 13 with Grammy and Oscar winner Randy Newman singing the classic Malvina Reynolds track. Following Newman, in no particular order, will be Joan Baez, Donovan, Billy Bob Thornton, The Shins, Michael Franti, The Individuals, Angelique Kidjo, Kinky , Man Man and Persephone's Bees. At least four more are bound to be brought into the fold, because 15 episodes are scheduled for the season. The first season of "Weeds" helped reintroduce audiences to Reynolds' 1962 commentary on suburbia, and Showtime instituted the guest singer gimmick for the show's second season. The first group of recruited singers included Elvis Costello, Englebert Humperdinck, Death Cab for Cutie and Regina Spektor." Okay, c'est tout pour moi ce soir....my Joni/computer room is really hot hot hot tonight. Keep cool, Joniami(e)s! Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:54:42 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Question, question, question! Alright, I found the name of the song I was looking for after a little research! The chorus does have the "lonely days, lonely nights" part in it but also, "turn your back on love" which is the title of the song. Now I have to find out where this is from....if it was recorded.....or played live....it wasn't even written by Crosby as I presumed but by Stephen Stills, Graham Nash & Michael Stergis. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:29:27 +0200 From: "Christian MACKOWSKI" Subject: Re: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars Hi Monika and every Joni's Lovers, My 2 favorite on FTR : Let the wind carry me, and Banquet(Have you ever heard the electrical Live version from "Refuge of the Roads Concert 1983 " See you later....I'm going to work CHRISTIAN - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars > The other day I was listening to FTR and decided to give this song > another > listen (also listened to it again eariler today). I haven't listened to > this > particular track since the first few days of having the album. I decided > I > didn't like the song at that time. > But as it happens to be, every now and again I give songs I don't like > by artists I like another chance. Often more than once. I'd say 70% of > the > time it doesn't work. You give it another listen and you still don't > catch > the magic. You continue on with your day. Then there's that 30% of the > time > where you "find" something you didn't get before. > Listening to this track now, I can't figure out why it didn't strike > me > immediately. I can't understand what I didn't like about it then. The > piano > is very pretty all throughout and Joni is really stretching her > "arrangement" skills. My favorite part of the song is the vocal melody > with these lyrics: > "Or take a walk > A park > A bridge > A tree > A river > Revoked but not yet cancelled > The gift goes on" > I just love how she sings this part and the woven yet hasty melody > (vocally) that goes with it. What do you make of the song? Are there > some songs > you didn't like from the start and then realized what you missed? > -Monika > NP: Train In Vain- The Clash > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:28:42 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars Hi, Monika! Well, I'm sitting here 'neath the night rain clouds covering the moon and the stars wondering about what you said. I know exactly where you're coming from, but not with the song, JOTMS. For me, the song is lovely and it gets powerful {yet calm and flowing} towards the last 1/3 of the song. It conjures wonderful images of all sorts in my musical mind, down in old,cold German gardens. I love that song. It's one my favorite, first of all, because it's so beautiful and secondly, because I see Beethoven carrying so many of his crosses, as he shakes his fist at fame, just the way he did right up to his last breath, when at the shake of thunder, he shook his fist and lifted it upwards with the same electricity as lightening does when it shoots downwards. I'm sure Joni relates, as well as many of you musicians and poets who really ponder fortune and fame when it takes on a slave. jeannie NP: Meet Me In The Indian Summer (and we'll go walking to eternity) ~Van Morrison~ Hank Williams You been all over that juke-box, mister, all this afternoon Playing Hank Williams records for a dime Well, I may be just a cat for you, but I know that heartbreak tune And I'm proud to say that Hank Williams was a real good friend of mine I never asked for money or his autograph, you see 'Cause I don't need too much to get along I just liked to sit there with him and keep him company Who says cats can't understand a good country song? You think you know that man inside your little radio All the trials and heartbreakes he's been through To you he's just a country star, to me he's just a friend No, you don't know Hank Williams like I do Some nights we'll go out riding in his grat big car With the little radio that's built right in I'd sit up front there with him and his old guitar And listen while the DJ played "Your Cheatin' Heart" again "Well, Buddy, you know there's something mighty strange about trying to live a life of fame, you see It's supposed to make me happy, all it does is worry me Nobody else seems to understand the things that I go through Only time I feel peaceful is when I ride with you" You've heard it on the radio, Hank has passed away In the back seat of that Cadillac, it's true To you he's just a legend now, to me he's still a friend No, you don't know Hank Williams like I do ~Ry Cooder~ jean Motitan@aol.com wrote: The other day I was listening to FTR and decided to give this song another listen (also listened to it again eariler today). I haven't listened to this particular track since the first few days of having the album. I decided I didn't like the song at that time. But as it happens to be, every now and again I give songs I don't like by artists I like another chance. Often more than once. I'd say 70% of the time it doesn't work. You give it another listen and you still don't catch the magic. You continue on with your day. Then there's that 30% of the time where you "find" something you didn't get before. Listening to this track now, I can't figure out why it didn't strike me immediately. I can't understand what I didn't like about it then. The piano is very pretty all throughout and Joni is really stretching her "arrangement" skills. My favorite part of the song is the vocal melody with these lyrics: "Or take a walk A park A bridge A tree A river Revoked but not yet cancelled The gift goes on" I just love how she sings this part and the woven yet hasty melody (vocally) that goes with it. What do you make of the song? Are there some songs you didn't like from the start and then realized what you missed? - -Monika NP: Train In Vain- The Clash ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. - --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #261 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------