From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #260 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 9 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 260 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Fw: Politics NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC Live Earth? ["Randy Remote" ] "once" NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Politics NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Fw: Politics NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Joni on You Tube [J Kendel Johnson ] Re: Joni on You Tube ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] some obscure Joni videos on Youtube ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Fw: Politics NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: RE : "once" NJC [J Kendel Johnson ] Re: Politics NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Fw: Politics NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] All We Are Saying Documentary [jeannie ] RE: Fw: Politics NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: RE : "once" NJC [jeannie ] Re: NJC Question, question, question! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] The fireworks last night...njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: NJC Question, question, question! [Motitan@aol.com] Re: All We Are Saying Documentary [Motitan@aol.com] Re: All We Are Saying Documentary [Janet Hess ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:03:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Fw: Politics NJC I've listened to RL & he's definitely a misogynist... if he's attempting humor of some kind, it is lost on me ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:12:11 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC Live Earth? It was great to see Spinal Tap with 20 bassists onstage doing "Big Bottom"....Alicia Keys was good, Police, RHCP, Roger Waters' set was probably the high point for me. RR > Anyone see any of Live Earth today? I turned it on for a bit here as > there > was nothing else on. Plus I wanted to see Roger Waters perform (in which > I > just saw). > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:30:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: "once" NJC Haven't seen it yet but it appears to be another one of those word of mouth gotta see movie things- my friend- a longtime radio local folk dj said I'd love it ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:44:26 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Politics NJC Bree said the following, in different mails: >> But yes....on paper.... the Russians helped hold Germany at bay....and did their part in defeating nazism.<< Estimates vary between 8 million and 25 million Soviets killed in action in WWII, but even accepting the lowest figure, 8 million died; on the battle field, not on paper; in fact, not 'theoretically'. That's 43,000 Soviet soldiers for every US soldier killed in Iran. How distasteful of you to use the words 'on paper'. >>Again...I didn't hear Limbaugh's show.. nor did I read the transcript... but I'm sure this is what he meant. << Based on? Clairvoyance? Second sight? >>Check out his website....read his philosophies......he is all about every American reaching his or her full potential.....<< except feminist Americans and Mexican Americans, to name just two groups of Americans. And you know there may be more... mike in barcelona np Janet Kay - Silly Games ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 07:49:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC Amazing, Bree. Every time any Clinton is mentioned, or even not, you bring up every allegation from any right wing web site out there. Yet in a whole post defending Rush, making him sound like a jolly uncle, you fail to mention his drug addiction, law breaking fraud, or the 18 month deferred prosecution deal he took. Hmmmmmmm..... Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Now I can't let this go by without defending my El Rushbo. The lovable > little fuzz ball ..as he refers to himself...primarily a conservative who > happens to be one of the funniest people I have ever heard on the radio. > He is a great entertainer....his three hours on the air just fly by. He > exposes liberals like none other. And most importantly....he is very > interesting to listen to. I have been listening to him since the early > nineties....and I have read his books. I found him when Clinton was > running...and I thought...this guy thinks like I do. Now he does use > parody...exaggeration... and a whole lot of other things to make a > point...so what you copied here ..attributable to Rush...were most > assuredly > taken out of context. He can get fiery. His detractors try to pin a > lot on him...he's a homophobe.....misogynist.. he is anti this and anti > that...just not true. I wouldn't listen for a minute if there was a > even > a hint of any prejudices coming from him. Does he have a > bias...yes...against liberals? A lot of people end up liking him once > they > give a listen. I'm sure not all his twenty million listeners weekly are > all conservative. > > > Check out his website....read his philosophies......he is all about every > American reaching his or her full potential..... > > but how??....what works ....and what hasn't... > > > > > > > > > >>Here are some choice tidbits from the brilliant mind of RL- >> >>"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access >>to >>the mainstream of society." >> >>"Let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no >>knowledge whatsoever to do - let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that >>work." > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:15:24 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: Joni on You Tube This is obviously from a TV broadcast. Anyone know what it's from? Who's the host sitting at the table? Also, did anyone notice Joni bungles the chord in the 4th verse at "rev for stride" but recovers quickly and keeps going, giving the host a smile. The other You Tube covers were too painful to watch for me. J ...also in Texas jeannie wrote: Thanks for the links, Laurent. I enjoyed Joni singing, 'Night Ride Home' by the side of the lake. Everything in that frame was as natural as the weather in this moody Texas sky. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:48:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Joni on You Tube J Kendel Johnson wrote: > This is obviously from a TV broadcast. Anyone know what it's from? Who's > the host sitting at the table? From the comments: This was recorded in Amsterdam (you see the bikes?) not long after the release of the night ride home album. The lucky guy is JanDouwe Kroeske, in those days an important radio guy in the netherlands. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:25:51 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: some obscure Joni videos on Youtube Hi there, I was just trolling on the net and came across some diities I had never heard or seen before. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=npxQUftj48E&mode=related&search= Joni singing Goodbye Blue Sky, accompanied by orchestra, from Roger Waters' concert, The Wall http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QGHsjd96dCs&mode=related&search= Blow Away The Morning Dew - in a duet with Oscar Brandt, 1965 As well, here is the Mabel Mercer version of Both Sides Now, which supposedly inspired Joni to revive it in her own repertoire. Mercer's rendition is not *at all* to my taste - she has no voice - but it's an interesting document, I suppose. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Ufg6aP95A&mode=related&search= Also, some kind soul has reposted the Night Ride Home video - albeit a poor quality copy, but nice to see it up again. Still ranks as one of the best! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aEK9yi3KS4I And here's a little Hejira tribute film with some nice original visuals (thinking of you, Mark!) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_JafvXh4XyE Michael in Quebec NP: Michael Franti, (who's playing in Quebec tonight) - Stay Human _________________________________________________________________ Fight Allergies With Live Search http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Remedies+For+Spring+Allergies&mkt=en-ca&FORM=SERNEP ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:08:22 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on You Tube I remember a month or two ago there was a FANTASTIC performance of "Help Me" from right around the C&S period. It was top notch to say the least. I had gone to the library to pick up a few things and take a peek at YouTube and came across it. The next day or so I was going to post it here for you all to enjoy but it had already been taken down. I love it how Joni sings after, "not like we love our freedom" or "not like you love your freedom," "freeeeeeeeeeedom." She only does that live and it sounds amazing. You know what I mean? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:54:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : "once" NJC I saw this movie last night and endorse what CC just said. It is a beautiful movie with a heart -- so okay, that sounded like some blurb from one of those big-studio marketing arms, but "Once" is really that for me. I can't speak for everyone on the List but those who have enjoyed indie films (and not just Sundance fares that bear an alarming similarity in style, execution and storytelling narrative to the mega dream factory that is Hollywood), may take a liking to this film. And yes it was one of the films that was first screened at Sundance. The main performers are now said to be dating and the movie showed love between two people in its exact nuance of awkwardness, sudden jubilation and conclusion. I have heard of Glen Hansard via "The Commitments" from a decade ago but only recently knew about the band he fronted called The Frames. He and Marketa Irglova had so much oncreen chemistry that it is not hard to believe that they must have fallen in love while the filming process happened. Some of the scenes does not only look improvised, but they happen like how events happen the way I witnessed similar occurrences in real life minus the big statements and over-clear enunciation of actors. Sometimes I cannot follow the dialogue because of both the Irish and Czech accents speaking English but one gets the message that comes from the heart more than what they actually say. The songs used refused to leave me after I saw the movie so I have been humming it on my way home with a friend last night. No spoilers here but the ending was really really believable and tugged at my heartstrings. Plus, I always get a kick watching how identities are negotiated onscreen by foreigners in a foreign land. Gets my vote everytime. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Saxon Shore - Amber, Ember, Glow c Karma a icrit : It's possible that this has been discussed as I'm rarely the first on my block for anything but I'm breaking out of lurk mode here to enthusiastically suggest EVERYONE on this list try as hard as possible to see the film "once." Forget what you heard about "Moulin Rouge" reinventing the movie musical. This earnest, beautiful film does that and so much more. If you have an art house cinema near you, insist that they get a print and if it is currently showing please run to catch it. You will not be disappointed. The songs by Glen Hansard and Marketa Inglova are glorious and performed with such heart that I know the people who participate on this list will appreciate them. If you've seen it, let me know what you think. This is not so much a film about musicians but about the musician in everyone. CC _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 - --------------------------------- Stockage illimiti de vos mails avec Yahoo! Mail. Changez aujourd'hui de mail ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:15:54 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC Yes...Jerry ...he was hooked on prescription pills. (severe back pain, oxycontin was prescribed) A fault of his ..a weakness....that he went into rehab for. I mean...if we can forget about Clintons's past...surely we can forget about Rush's. (that is.. if they have truly changed) I don't know about you...but when I like someone I try to forget the mistakes they have made....and look at all the good this person possesses....how they have changed ....if they are sincere. .. I think most first time drug offenders get the option of rehab in lieu of jail...I'm all for that. >Amazing, Bree. Every time any Clinton is mentioned, or even not, you bring >up every allegation from any right wing web site out there. Yet in a whole >post defending Rush, making him sound like a jolly uncle, you fail to >mention his drug addiction, law breaking fraud, or the 18 month deferred >prosecution deal he took. Hmmmmmmm..... > >Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > Now I can't let this go by without defending my El Rushbo. The lovable > > little fuzz ball ..as he refers to himself...primarily a conservative >who > > happens to be one of the funniest people I have ever heard on the radio. > > He is a great entertainer....his three hours on the air just fly by. >He > > exposes liberals like none other. And most importantly....he is very > > interesting to listen to. I have been listening to him since the early > > nineties....and I have read his books. I found him when Clinton was > > running...and I thought...this guy thinks like I do. Now he does use > > parody...exaggeration... and a whole lot of other things to make a > > point...so what you copied here ..attributable to Rush...were most > > assuredly > > taken out of context. He can get fiery. His detractors try to pin >a > > lot on him...he's a homophobe.....misogynist.. he is anti this and >anti > > that...just not true. I wouldn't listen for a minute if there was a > > even > > a hint of any prejudices coming from him. Does he have a > > bias...yes...against liberals? A lot of people end up liking him once > > they > > give a listen. I'm sure not all his twenty million listeners weekly >are > > all conservative. > > > > > > Check out his website....read his philosophies......he is all about >every > > American reaching his or her full potential..... > > > > but how??....what works ....and what hasn't... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Here are some choice tidbits from the brilliant mind of RL- > >> > >>"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier >access > >>to > >>the mainstream of society." > >> > >>"Let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no > >>knowledge whatsoever to do - let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that > >>work." > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://newlivehotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: RE : "once" NJC My favorite lines from my favorite song in this movie, Falling Slowly: Take this sinking boat And point it home We've still got time Raise your hopeful voice You have the choice You've made it now Joseph Palis wrote: I saw this movie last night and endorse what CC just said. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:46:23 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Politics NJC Bree said the following, in different mails: > > >> But yes....on paper.... the Russians helped hold Germany at bay....and >did >their part in defeating nazism.<< > >Estimates vary between 8 million and 25 million Soviets killed in action in >WWII, but even accepting the lowest figure, 8 million died; on the battle >field, not on paper; in fact, not 'theoretically'. That's 43,000 Soviet >soldiers for every US soldier killed in Iran. How distasteful of you to use >the words 'on paper'. Mike...of course...I don't diminish any lives lost.....but the conversation was about fighting for freedom ...so what you referenced ...was sort of taken out of context. I value all humans...all possess a soul...whether in or out of the womb. Thanks for the statistics...I had no idea that many Russians had died. > >>Again...I didn't hear Limbaugh's show.. nor did I read the transcript... >but >I'm sure this is what he meant. << >Based on? Clairvoyance? Second sight? Well..when you get to know someone...I don't know Rush personally. but..you know what is in character for them and what is out of character. > >>Check out his website....read his philosophies......he is all about >every >American reaching his or her full potential.....<< > >except feminist Americans and Mexican Americans, to name just two groups of >Americans. And you know there may be more... That sounds good...but really...you are so off base. Rush is all for immigrants coming to this country...just not through the back door...they must knock and wait their turn in line. I would say the people who want immigration laws are really the more compassionate..because they know employers DON'T want that cheap labor to stop. Also...with unprotected borders..and millions coming in illegally..it lowers the average American wages. We are also letting Mexico ..in all its corruption... stay the status quo.... by letting in so many..we are not forcing their hand for change..changes that would help the Mexican people. If they had opportunities in their own country...they wouldn't risk death crossing the border. I do understand their desires. So I would say really the more compassionate side on this issue is the conservative one. Bree >mike in barcelona >np Janet Kay - Silly Games _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:04:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC Bree Mcdonough wrote: I think most first time drug > offenders get the option of rehab in lieu of jail...I'm all for that. > > > >>Amazing, Bree. Every time any Clinton is mentioned, or even not, you >> bring >>up every allegation from any right w In New York alone, there are currently 22,386 men and women in New York prisons convicted of drug offenses 6,383 were first offenders. Ninety-three percent of the people incarcerated under New Yorks Rockefeller Drug Laws are black or Latino, which is grossly disproportionate to their share of the population or involvement in illegal drug use. Too often, treatment is reserved for the white privileged, jail for the poor minorities. I'd love to hear Rush rant and rave about THAT on his show some day. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: All We Are Saying Documentary I was surfing channels just a bit ago and I came across a documentary on Showtime. It's on right now and guess who comes out on it? ~~~Ms. JONI MITCHELL~~~ Setting the DVR to record the whole of the program which will re-run next Wednesday. Has anyone ever seen it? jeannie - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:49:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Fw: Politics NJC We have an effective, cost saving & compassionate program in CA which allows those who are arrested for first time nonviolent drug offenses to not be imprisoned if they chose recovery. Limbaugh's views on the subject, prior to his arrest, were as uninformed, bellicose & hateful as is typical of his opinions on so many subjects. I don't know if he's changed his arrogant attitude since he was arrested but I remember thinking he's going to have a hard time in rehab because of the humility required on so many levels. Some of his opinions on drug use have included: "And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up." "What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too." "I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right."I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that."..." "I'm appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent behavior and say, "Hey, you know, we can't control it anymore. People are going to do drugs anyway. Let's legalize it." It's a dumb idea. It's a rotten idea, and those who are for it are purely, 100 percent selfish." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: RE : "once" NJC I must go see, Once. It's playing now at one of our theatres. If every post here on the Joni list claims it's a must-see movie, it has to be wonderful. For Patti, since she likes Ringo, there is a Showtime movie on at this moment--That'll Be The Day, starring Ringo and David Essex, filmed in 1973. Also, the Fellini movie I mentioned of which I compared to these troubled times we are in under with this Bush administration will be coming out this Monday at 5:30 pm CT. It's a movie worth watching. I asked my son to order, The Girl In The Cafe, from Netflix. Thanks to Marianne for the suggestion. jeannie J Kendel Johnson wrote: My favorite lines from my favorite song in this movie, Falling Slowly: Take this sinking boat And point it home We've still got time Raise your hopeful voice You have the choice You've made it now Joseph Palis wrote: I saw this movie last night and endorse what CC just said. - --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:08:11 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Question, question, question! That's a Bee Gee's song, Lonely Days. rosie in nj ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:18:19 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: The fireworks last night...njc the fireworks were hailin' over Little Eden last night Forcin' a light into all those stoned-out faces left stranded on this Fourth of July I spent the night in Asbury Park to see Joe Grushecky at the Wonder Bar....The 4th of July fireworks were postponed to last night due to weather Wednesday night. I haven't seen that many people there since Bruce's Rising tour. Asbury Park is definitely rising up! The old Ho Jo's has been totally renovated and is now the Salt Water Cafe, and they're working on the Casino...what's left of it... rosie in nj ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:30:38 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Question, question, question! In a message dated 7/8/2007 7:08:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RoseMJoy writes: That's a Bee Gee's song, Lonely Days. - ----------------------- Hmm. Do you know if Crosby covered it by chance on an album? It'd be awfully strange if a CSNY tribute band performed a Bee Gees song for no reason....everything else was CSN/CSNY/C or N or S or Y solo from the early 70's. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:28:28 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: All We Are Saying Documentary How interesting. I've never heard of this and I don't have Showtime. After you watch it, could you explain what exactly it is about (I can presume a few things from the title but love details!)...what Joni said...etc etc.? I'm very curious. Thanks! - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:33:44 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: All We Are Saying Documentary Ummmmmmmmmm....by saying that Joni "comes out" on it, do you mean that she really COMES OUT on it? If so, I gotta start thinking about subscribing to Showtime. Janet, hoping against hope At 04:11 PM 7/8/2007, jeannie wrote: >I was surfing channels just a bit ago and I came across a >documentary on Showtime. It's on right now and guess who comes out on it? > > ~~~Ms. JONI MITCHELL~~~ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #260 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------