From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #257 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 6 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 257 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Fw: Politics NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Fw: Politics NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Fw: Politics NJC attn: Bree ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Fw: Politics NJC [jeannie ] Re: Fw: Politics NJC [Doug ] Russia fighting for freedom? NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Woody Guthrie B-Day njc [J Kendel Johnson ] Patriotic Expressions on this day of Independence...(NJC...But very crucial) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Woody Guthrie B-Day njc [jeannie ] Viva La Frida on this Friday/Viernes [jeannie Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC Where do you live..if you don't mind telling? I haven't heard Rush in a few weeks..at least not for the the entire three hours....so I would want to read the transcript .... he is such a student of history. He could debate history with the best. Maybe he meant because Russia was communist...and communism and freedom are incongruent... then fighting for freedom ...that is the powers of be at that time ...the government ...in other words not wanting to lose their power..(let's think about Iraq here and Saddam prior to his demise) ... and considering people living under a communist government ...aren't' allowed FREEDOM .....could this have been the point Rush was making? But yes....on paper.... the Russians helped hold Germany at bay....and did their part in defeating nazism. Well down in these parts ...liberals are a rarity....just ask Laura. She dared to don a Hillary Clinton 08 tee-shirt when visiting me the other day.... it wasn't pretty. She got flipped off...not by me....she was ridiculed....several yucks were heard.....even a cashier said she was having a good day until she saw her shirt. God's truth! Bree >I was a a friend's house today. He is an ardent Conservative and Bush >supporter, very unusual around here. Rush Limbaugh was on the radio, >as usual (talk about phony outrage), and I heard Rush claim that the >Soviet Union never fought a war for freedom. My friend was initially in >agreement, I couldn't believe it! I reminded him about the Second World >War, eventually reason prevailed. It was like Bush in a recent speech >saying that the United States had never lost a war. Remember Vietnam >George? I guess not. > >I wouldn't call myself a Liberal, or an Anti-Conservative, but this present >bunch of right-wingers is the most hateful, vindictive and destructive >ever. >We'll all be better off when they're gone. > > >Doug > > > >Bree Mcdonough wrote: >>Gene....it is the phony outrage that bugs me. The Clintion's are out in >>front today on Libby's commutation.....it strikes me as so >>hypocritical...and like Tony Snow said... a lot of chutzpah coming from >>them. >> >>No...Gene...I do have certain standards.....let's see... something where >>there would be no degrees...oh ..abortion...it takes a life... >> >> >>Bree >> >> >> >>>>hello bree, your logic is great. there is no right or wrong, just >>>>degrees of right or wrong. bill's had over a hundred pardons, bush just >>>>one ---so gw can't be all that bad. >>>>let's see hitler killed millions, but oswald just killed(?) just one >>>>person, jfk------so he can't be all that bad. i guess it's okay for >>>>public officials to lie to the elected public. then gw can't be all >>>>that bad. it's okay to keep secrets from the public, after all, we're >>>>much to busy with our lives to worry about the big stuff. gw can't be >>>>all that bad. hell, it's okay to have our rights suspended and our >>>>privacy invaded---after we haven't had a repeat of 9/11----gw can't be >>>>all that bad. thanks for the enlightenment, gene >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" >>>> >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:51 AM >>>>Subject: Politics NJC >>>> >>>> >>>>>Yes...Bush commuted Libby's sentence...and will probably pardon him. >>>>>But now the left thinks perjury is such a terrible thing ...but thought >>>>>it wasn't so bad when Clinton lied. (he admitted he lied under oath) >>>>>Now the right ...it is sort of excusable. IT is all politics....and >>>>>both sides play the game very well. >>>>> >>>>>So everybody...keep your powder dry...the State Of The Union....is >>>>>ok....it is just more politics. You know....the president of the >>>>>United States lied under oath...certainly a lowly aide won't upset the >>>>>apple cart too badly? >>>>> >>>>>Oh..and Hillary's outrage...give me a blankin break... >>>>> >>>>>take a look at Bill's last day in office....way over hundred >>>>>pardons...commutations... >>>>> >>>>>Outraged...google the name Mark Rich....Bush doesn't seem quite as >>>>>bad.... >>>>> >>>>>Bree >>>>> >>>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>>http://liveearth.msn.com >>>>> >>>>>!DSPAM:144,468d308181871524588567! >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! >>http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 >> _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:58:22 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Fw: Politics NJC ...in history there have been...one could argue..just wars...wars brought about for the greater good of a country. ...a people. survival ..freedom..but with abortion...a life taken because it is an inconvenience....it's comparing apples and oranges....I don't believe you can compare the two. We cry for the losses brought about from this war....where are the cries for the millions snuffed out in the womb? More than fifty million since 1973!! The babies massacred from partial birth abortion. ...horrible. I dare anyone on this list to go and read what takes place during a partial birth abortion and not cringe from what they read. The child dies a horrible ...brutal and in a inhumane way. Who cries of them? We are outraged about Bush ...and NOT getting out of Iraq....but what about the brutality taking place in this country everyday through abortion...the most innocent..who won't get a chance at life...sweet freedom?! Slice and dice it anyway you want... abortion stops a beating heart. and on that sorrowful note.. goodnight.. Bree > >I do have certain standards.....let's see... something where >there would be no degrees...oh ..abortion...it takes a life...< > >and war doesn't? _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:18:13 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC attn: Bree I suppose Bush....pointing out really how politics are played on both sides. There are scoundrels ..not exclusive to one party. I haven't been really happy with my party lately either. I would like to throw all the bums out of the Senate and House...and just keep Lieberman..i know ..Patti...but he is so way better than any of them..in my opinion. I love conservative principles...but I don't like the betrayal of those principles ..if one purports to be a believer of those principles and philosophies. I thank you for trying to understand...I really do. People who say they love me..don't seem to try and understand. ;-) And you don't even love me? So late....I will read your post again..and it will me time to gather my thougts better.. Goodnight Jeannie..and all..for the last time.. Bree >I hear both of y'all! A double Hallelujah from deep down in the heart of >Texas!! > > What I don't understand are these staunchiest conservative right wingers >who keep defending Bush as if he were actually accomplishing something for >this country of ours, other than filling in their own personal pockets and >if he doesn't do that, then what are they defending? > > What are you defending, Bree? > > See, these are the things that I just can't fathom in the most outter >edges of my head when I try my hardest to be emphathetic. > > To me, this is really sicko stuff happening right in front of our eyes. > Federico Fellini's, 'Satyricon,' has got nothing over George W. Bush and >his administration. > > So, so sad and so damn pathetic that we're actually going through this >nightmare. > > jeannie > > PS And to Marianne, thanks for the suggestion concerning 'The Girl In >The Cafe." > I've seen it, but it's been quite awhile and I'll go get it again. I >might go off into some movies or some books, because thinking "George Bush" >has got to be one of the nastiest and stifling thoughts my mind can have. > I must go outside now to get some fresh Texas air. I hope he's off in >Maine somewhere. Nowhere near here. Please!! > > gene wrote: > AMEN!!!!!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug" >To: "Bree Mcdonough" > >Cc: ; >Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:43 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC > > > >I was a a friend's house today. He is an ardent Conservative and Bush > > supporter, very unusual around here. Rush Limbaugh was on the radio, > > as usual (talk about phony outrage), and I heard Rush claim that the > > Soviet Union never fought a war for freedom. My friend was initially in > > agreement, I couldn't believe it! I reminded him about the Second World > > War, eventually reason prevailed. It was like Bush in a recent speech > > saying that the United States had never lost a war. Remember Vietnam > > George? I guess not. > > > > I wouldn't call myself a Liberal, or an Anti-Conservative, but this > > present bunch of right-wingers is the most hateful, vindictive and > > destructive ever. > > We'll all be better off when they're gone. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > Bree Mcdonough wrote: > >> Gene....it is the phony outrage that bugs me. The Clintion's are out > >> in front today on Libby's commutation.....it strikes me as so > >> hypocritical...and like Tony Snow said... a lot of chutzpah coming > >> from them. > >> > >> No...Gene...I do have certain standards.....let's see... something > >> where there would be no degrees...oh ..abortion...it takes a life... > >> > >> > >> Bree > >> > >> > >> > >>>> hello bree, your logic is great. there is no right or wrong, just > >>>> degrees of right or wrong. bill's had over a hundred pardons, bush > >>>> just one ---so gw can't be all that bad. > >>>> let's see hitler killed millions, but oswald just killed(?) just one > >>>> person, jfk------so he can't be all that bad. i guess it's okay for > >>>> public officials to lie to the elected public. then gw can't be all > >>>> that bad. it's okay to keep secrets from the public, after all, > >>>> we're much to busy with our lives to worry about the big stuff. gw > >>>> can't be all that bad. hell, it's okay to have our rights suspended > >>>> and our privacy invaded---after we haven't had a repeat of > >>>> 9/11----gw can't be all that bad. thanks for the enlightenment, gene > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" > >>>> > > >>>> To: > >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:51 AM > >>>> Subject: Politics NJC > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Yes...Bush commuted Libby's sentence...and will probably pardon > >>>>> him. But now the left thinks perjury is such a terrible thing > >>>>> ...but thought it wasn't so bad when Clinton lied. (he admitted > >>>>> he lied under oath) Now the right ...it is sort of excusable. IT > >>>>> is all politics....and both sides play the game very well. > >>>>> > >>>>> So everybody...keep your powder dry...the State Of The Union....is > >>>>> ok....it is just more politics. You know....the president of the > >>>>> United States lied under oath...certainly a lowly aide won't upset > >>>>> the apple cart too badly? > >>>>> > >>>>> Oh..and Hillary's outrage...give me a blankin break... > >>>>> > >>>>> take a look at Bill's last day in office....way over hundred > >>>>> pardons...commutations... > >>>>> > >>>>> Outraged...google the name Mark Rich....Bush doesn't seem quite as > >>>>> bad.... > >>>>> > >>>>> Bree > >>>>> > >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ > >>>>> http://liveearth.msn.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! > >> http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > >> > > > > !DSPAM:144,468dad2081871261516009! > > > >--------------------------------- >Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user >panel and lay it on us. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:24:19 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: RE: Fw: Politics NJC Bree, no one can be more Pro-Life than me and for that, I applause and applause myself, as much as I do Joan. But here you are deflecting and hiding the truth behind the unborn, and in my humble opinion, doing it in a cowardly manner. Please stop comparing the two forms of murder right now. Please, Bree. jean Bree Mcdonough wrote: ...in history there have been...one could argue..just wars...wars brought about for the greater good of a country. ...a people. survival ..freedom..but with abortion...a life taken because it is an inconvenience....it's comparing apples and oranges....I don't believe you can compare the two. We cry for the losses brought about from this war....where are the cries for the millions snuffed out in the womb? More than fifty million since 1973!! The babies massacred from partial birth abortion. ...horrible. I dare anyone on this list to go and read what takes place during a partial birth abortion and not cringe from what they read. The child dies a horrible ...brutal and in a inhumane way. Who cries of them? We are outraged about Bush ...and NOT getting out of Iraq....but what about the brutality taking place in this country everyday through abortion...the most innocent..who won't get a chance at life...sweet freedom?! Slice and dice it anyway you want... abortion stops a beating heart. and on that sorrowful note.. goodnight.. Bree > >I do have certain standards.....let's see... something where >there would be no degrees...oh ..abortion...it takes a life...< > >and war doesn't? _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com Dreaming Dreamland, Jeannie jjj . - --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:18:25 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC Bree, read Doug's description of the conservative right wingers after your message. Doesn't it match a picture perfect image of you and your gang? Jean Bree Mcdonough said: Well down in these parts ...liberals are a rarity....just ask Laura. She dared to don a Hillary Clinton 08 tee-shirt when visiting me the other day.... it wasn't pretty. She got flipped off...not by me....she was ridiculed....several yucks were heard.....even a cashier said she was having a good day until she saw her shirt. God's truth! Bree > >I wouldn't call myself a Liberal, or an Anti-Conservative, but this present >bunch of right-wingers is the most hateful, vindictive and destructive >ever. >We'll all be better off when they're gone. > > >Doug > > > >Bree Mcdonough wrote: >>Gene....it is the phony outrage that bugs me. The Clintion's are out in >>front today on Libby's commutation.....it strikes me as so >>hypocritical...and like Tony Snow said... a lot of chutzpah coming from >>them. >> >>No...Gene...I do have certain standards.....let's see... something where >>there would be no degrees...oh ..abortion...it takes a life... >> >> >>Bree >> >> >> >>>>hello bree, your logic is great. there is no right or wrong, just >>>>degrees of right or wrong. bill's had over a hundred pardons, bush just >>>>one ---so gw can't be all that bad. >>>>let's see hitler killed millions, but oswald just killed(?) just one >>>>person, jfk------so he can't be all that bad. i guess it's okay for >>>>public officials to lie to the elected public. then gw can't be all >>>>that bad. it's okay to keep secrets from the public, after all, we're >>>>much to busy with our lives to worry about the big stuff. gw can't be >>>>all that bad. hell, it's okay to have our rights suspended and our >>>>privacy invaded---after we haven't had a repeat of 9/11----gw can't be >>>>all that bad. thanks for the enlightenment, gene >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" >>>> >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:51 AM >>>>Subject: Politics NJC >>>> >>>> >>>>>Yes...Bush commuted Libby's sentence...and will probably pardon him. >>>>>But now the left thinks perjury is such a terrible thing ...but thought >>>>>it wasn't so bad when Clinton lied. (he admitted he lied under oath) >>>>>Now the right ...it is sort of excusable. IT is all politics....and >>>>>both sides play the game very well. >>>>> >>>>>So everybody...keep your powder dry...the State Of The Union....is >>>>>ok....it is just more politics. You know....the president of the >>>>>United States lied under oath...certainly a lowly aide won't upset the >>>>>apple cart too badly? >>>>> >>>>>Oh..and Hillary's outrage...give me a blankin break... >>>>> >>>>>take a look at Bill's last day in office....way over hundred >>>>>pardons...commutations... >>>>> >>>>>Outraged...google the name Mark Rich....Bush doesn't seem quite as >>>>>bad.... >>>>> >>>>>Bree >>>>> >>>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>>http://liveearth.msn.com >>>>> >>>>>!DSPAM:144,468d308181871524588567! >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! >>http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 >> _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 Dreaming Dreamland, Jeannie jjj . - --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:23:52 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC I'm in Ontario, close enough to the border to pick up US radio and some TV. Personally, I listen to NPR and PBS. I find them to be slightly left of center but still reasonably balanced. I'm sure Rush was splitting hairs and could defend his statement somehow. I think his point was basically: Us Good - Them Bad. Rah Rah Rah, though I didn't hear the entire rant. BTW, I agree with you on the partial birth abortion issue. I read about it a few years ago and made me sick. I'm not totally against abortion, but after a certain point the baby should be allowed to grow and be born whether the mother wants it or not. Doug Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Where do you live..if you don't mind telling? I haven't heard Rush > in a few weeks..at least not for the the entire three hours....so I > would want to read the transcript .... he is such a student of > history. He could debate history with the best. Maybe he meant > because Russia was communist...and communism and freedom are > incongruent... then fighting for freedom ...that is the powers of be > at that time ...the government ...in other words not wanting to lose > their power..(let's think about Iraq here and Saddam prior to his > demise) ... and considering people living under a communist > government ...aren't' allowed FREEDOM .....could this have been the > point Rush was making? But yes....on paper.... the Russians helped > hold Germany at bay....and did their part in defeating nazism. > > Well down in these parts ...liberals are a rarity....just ask > Laura. She dared to don a Hillary Clinton 08 tee-shirt when > visiting me the other day.... it wasn't pretty. She got flipped > off...not by me....she was ridiculed....several yucks were > heard.....even a cashier said she was having a good day until she saw > her shirt. God's truth! > > Bree > > > >> I was a a friend's house today. He is an ardent Conservative and Bush >> supporter, very unusual around here. Rush Limbaugh was on the radio, >> as usual (talk about phony outrage), and I heard Rush claim that the >> Soviet Union never fought a war for freedom. My friend was initially in >> agreement, I couldn't believe it! I reminded him about the Second >> World War, eventually reason prevailed. It was like Bush in a recent >> speech >> saying that the United States had never lost a war. Remember Vietnam >> George? I guess not. >> >> I wouldn't call myself a Liberal, or an Anti-Conservative, but this >> present bunch of right-wingers is the most hateful, vindictive and >> destructive ever. >> We'll all be better off when they're gone. >> >> >> Doug >> >> >> >> Bree Mcdonough wrote: >>> Gene....it is the phony outrage that bugs me. The Clintion's are >>> out in front today on Libby's commutation.....it strikes me as so >>> hypocritical...and like Tony Snow said... a lot of chutzpah coming >>> from them. >>> >>> No...Gene...I do have certain standards.....let's see... something >>> where there would be no degrees...oh ..abortion...it takes a life... >>> >>> >>> Bree >>> >>> >>> >>>>> hello bree, your logic is great. there is no right or wrong, just >>>>> degrees of right or wrong. bill's had over a hundred pardons, >>>>> bush just one ---so gw can't be all that bad. >>>>> let's see hitler killed millions, but oswald just killed(?) just >>>>> one person, jfk------so he can't be all that bad. i guess it's >>>>> okay for public officials to lie to the elected public. then gw >>>>> can't be all that bad. it's okay to keep secrets from the public, >>>>> after all, we're much to busy with our lives to worry about the >>>>> big stuff. gw can't be all that bad. hell, it's okay to have our >>>>> rights suspended and our privacy invaded---after we haven't had a >>>>> repeat of 9/11----gw can't be all that bad. thanks for the >>>>> enlightenment, gene >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" >>>>> >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:51 AM >>>>> Subject: Politics NJC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Yes...Bush commuted Libby's sentence...and will probably pardon >>>>>> him. But now the left thinks perjury is such a terrible thing >>>>>> ...but thought it wasn't so bad when Clinton lied. (he >>>>>> admitted he lied under oath) Now the right ...it is sort of >>>>>> excusable. IT is all politics....and both sides play the game >>>>>> very well. >>>>>> >>>>>> So everybody...keep your powder dry...the State Of The >>>>>> Union....is ok....it is just more politics. You know....the >>>>>> president of the United States lied under oath...certainly a >>>>>> lowly aide won't upset the apple cart too badly? >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh..and Hillary's outrage...give me a blankin break... >>>>>> >>>>>> take a look at Bill's last day in office....way over hundred >>>>>> pardons...commutations... >>>>>> >>>>>> Outraged...google the name Mark Rich....Bush doesn't seem quite >>>>>> as bad.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Bree >>>>>> >>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> http://liveearth.msn.com >>>>>> >>>>>> !DSPAM:144,468d308181871524588567! >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! >>> http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 >>> > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:27:18 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Russia fighting for freedom? NJC and in response to Doug's post about him disagreeing with Rush Limbaugh and his statement that Russia has never fought for freedom.....and addition to my comment..stated better: is that Russia.. since it oppresses its own people...then fighting for freedom....is NOT the same as a free people fighting for their freedom. At least not like the U.S.. Again...I didn't hear Limbaugh's show..nor did I read the transcript... but I'm sure this is what he meant. Although...I'm sure ...stated a lot better than I have. Bree _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:31:22 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC attn: Bree Dearest Bree, You're making me cry! Of course I'll listen to your side. Don't you think it hurts me to see you here nearly all alone? I wish this would stop but I guess it just can't. You have every right to speak your mind. So, just know I'm always with you through love and last night I heard you through the wind as I prayed like Patti does for peace! Love, jean Bree Mcdonough wrote: I suppose Bush....pointing out really how politics are played on both sides. There are scoundrels ..not exclusive to one party. I haven't been really happy with my party lately either. I would like to throw all the bums out of the Senate and House...and just keep Lieberman..i know ..Patti...but he is so way better than any of them..in my opinion. I love conservative principles...but I don't like the betrayal of those principles ..if one purports to be a believer of those principles and philosophies. I thank you for trying to understand...I really do. People who say they love me..don't seem to try and understand. ;-) And you don't even love me? So late....I will read your post again..and it will me time to gather my thougts better.. Goodnight Jeannie..and all..for the last time.. Bree >I hear both of y'all! A double Hallelujah from deep down in the heart of >Texas!! > > What I don't understand are these staunchiest conservative right wingers >who keep defending Bush as if he were actually accomplishing something for >this country of ours, other than filling in their own personal pockets and >if he doesn't do that, then what are they defending? > > What are you defending, Bree? > > See, these are the things that I just can't fathom in the most outter >edges of my head when I try my hardest to be emphathetic. > > To me, this is really sicko stuff happening right in front of our eyes. > Federico Fellini's, 'Satyricon,' has got nothing over George W. Bush and >his administration. > > So, so sad and so damn pathetic that we're actually going through this >nightmare. > > jeannie > > PS And to Marianne, thanks for the suggestion concerning 'The Girl In >The Cafe." > I've seen it, but it's been quite awhile and I'll go get it again. I >might go off into some movies or some books, because thinking "George Bush" >has got to be one of the nastiest and stifling thoughts my mind can have. > I must go outside now to get some fresh Texas air. I hope he's off in >Maine somewhere. Nowhere near here. Please!! > > gene wrote: > AMEN!!!!!!! >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug" >To: "Bree Mcdonough" > >Cc: ; >Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:43 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC > > > >I was a a friend's house today. He is an ardent Conservative and Bush > > supporter, very unusual around here. Rush Limbaugh was on the radio, > > as usual (talk about phony outrage), and I heard Rush claim that the > > Soviet Union never fought a war for freedom. My friend was initially in > > agreement, I couldn't believe it! I reminded him about the Second World > > War, eventually reason prevailed. It was like Bush in a recent speech > > saying that the United States had never lost a war. Remember Vietnam > > George? I guess not. > > > > I wouldn't call myself a Liberal, or an Anti-Conservative, but this > > present bunch of right-wingers is the most hateful, vindictive and > > destructive ever. > > We'll all be better off when they're gone. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > Bree Mcdonough wrote: > >> Gene....it is the phony outrage that bugs me. The Clintion's are out > >> in front today on Libby's commutation.....it strikes me as so > >> hypocritical...and like Tony Snow said... a lot of chutzpah coming > >> from them. > >> > >> No...Gene...I do have certain standards.....let's see... something > >> where there would be no degrees...oh ..abortion...it takes a life... > >> > >> > >> Bree > >> > >> > >> > >>>> hello bree, your logic is great. there is no right or wrong, just > >>>> degrees of right or wrong. bill's had over a hundred pardons, bush > >>>> just one ---so gw can't be all that bad. > >>>> let's see hitler killed millions, but oswald just killed(?) just one > >>>> person, jfk------so he can't be all that bad. i guess it's okay for > >>>> public officials to lie to the elected public. then gw can't be all > >>>> that bad. it's okay to keep secrets from the public, after all, > >>>> we're much to busy with our lives to worry about the big stuff. gw > >>>> can't be all that bad. hell, it's okay to have our rights suspended > >>>> and our privacy invaded---after we haven't had a repeat of > >>>> 9/11----gw can't be all that bad. thanks for the enlightenment, gene > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" > >>>> > > >>>> To: > >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:51 AM > >>>> Subject: Politics NJC > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Yes...Bush commuted Libby's sentence...and will probably pardon > >>>>> him. But now the left thinks perjury is such a terrible thing > >>>>> ...but thought it wasn't so bad when Clinton lied. (he admitted > >>>>> he lied under oath) Now the right ...it is sort of excusable. IT > >>>>> is all politics....and both sides play the game very well. > >>>>> > >>>>> So everybody...keep your powder dry...the State Of The Union....is > >>>>> ok....it is just more politics. You know....the president of the > >>>>> United States lied under oath...certainly a lowly aide won't upset > >>>>> the apple cart too badly? > >>>>> > >>>>> Oh..and Hillary's outrage...give me a blankin break... > >>>>> > >>>>> take a look at Bill's last day in office....way over hundred > >>>>> pardons...commutations... > >>>>> > >>>>> Outraged...google the name Mark Rich....Bush doesn't seem quite as > >>>>> bad.... > >>>>> > >>>>> Bree > >>>>> > >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ > >>>>> http://liveearth.msn.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! > >> http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > >> > > > > !DSPAM:144,468dad2081871261516009! > > > >--------------------------------- >Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user >panel and lay it on us. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com - --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:00:10 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Woody Guthrie B-Day njc It's time to celebrate Woody Guthrie's birthday again in Oklahoma. What would have been Woody's 95th birthday coincides with the annual Woody Guthrie Festival in Okemah, Oklahoma (his birthplace) next Saturday, July 14. 2007 Festival artists include Arlo Guthrie, of course, but also the likes of Kevin Welch, Jimmy LaFave, Sara Hickman, Eliza Gilkyson, Michael Fracasso, Butch Hancock, Ellis Paul, Tim O'Brien, Ronny Elliott, Terri Hendrix with Lloyd Maines, Folk Uke with Annie Guthrie, Joel Rafael, Rob McNurlin, Jack Williams, Don Conoscenti, Antje Duvekot, Johnsmith, Jamaica Rafael, Sam Baker, Steppin' In It, Red Dirt Rangers, David & Adam Amram, The Burns Sisters, Romi Mayes, Susan Shore, Buffalofitz, Emily Kaitz, Happenstance, Lisa Curl, Larry Spears, John Fullbright, Travis Kidd, Randy Crouch, Barton & Sweeney Trio, The Farm Couple, The Mudville Project, Greg Klyma, Bob Childers, Tony Lee Thomas, Effron White, Nancy Apple, Likely Stories, Derek and Nate, Radoslav Lorkovic, Ronny Cox, Joe Gee, Samantha Crain, Jed and Kelley. Fesitival regular Slaid Cleaves will be absent this year, but I just produced a cover of Woody's unpublished song "This Morning I Am Born Again" set to new music by Cleaves for Dallas-based singer-songwriter David Howard's "Spark" CD. (You can hear excerpts at www.CDBaby.com/howarddavid and at iTunes; more info at www.DavidHoward.com) A couple of years ago, Woody's daughter, Nora Guthrie, began giving some of today's most respected singer-songwriters access to his enormous unpublished catalog, and, as a result, Eliza Gilkyson has also recorded a new/old Woody Guthrie song, "Peace Song". (You can hear an excerpt here: http://www.elizagilkyson.com/Land_of_Milk_and_Honey.htm) If anyone on the Joni list is going to the festival, I would love reading about your favorite performances, experiences and encounters! J np: Marc Broussard, If I Could Build My Whole World Around You ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:24:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Patriotic Expressions on this day of Independence...(NJC...But very crucial) (Oooo keith baby!) I love his tie in with the origins of july 4th & rejecting a king... brilliant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGq7mqkDJ7E ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:51:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Fw: Politics NJC It seems tired to ask for a bit of perspective on the perjury comparisons, but apparently it needs to be said once again Because yes, there are degrees in this discussion of lying under oath One is about a bj & of course it was stupid to lie, stupid to do, but nonetheless it was none of our business The other is about an invasion of a country based on false evidence & our govt's revenge on an individual who dared to differ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:55:47 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Woody Guthrie B-Day njc And today is Dubya's birthday. So, here's a Woody Guthrie song in honor of the truth that Woody lived for (to counteract the lies of the previously mentioned). Viva Woody Guthrie!! Christ For President Let's have Christ our president Let us have him for our king Cast your vote for the Carpenter that you call the Nazarene The only way we can ever beat these crooked politician men Is to run the money changers out of the temple And put the Carpenter in O it's Jesus Christ our president God Above our king With a job and pension for young and old We will make hallelujah ring Every year we waste enough to feed the ones we starve We build our civilization up and we shoot it down with wars But with the Carpenter on the seat away up in the capital town The USA would be on the way prosperity bound! ~W. Guthrie [no date]~ jean J Kendel Johnson wrote: It's time to celebrate Woody Guthrie's birthday again in Oklahoma. What would have been Woody's 95th birthday coincides with the annual Woody Guthrie Festival in Okemah, Oklahoma (his birthplace) next Saturday, July 14. 2007 Festival artists include Arlo Guthrie, of course, but also the likes of Kevin Welch, Jimmy LaFave, Sara Hickman, Eliza Gilkyson, Michael Fracasso, Butch Hancock, Ellis Paul, Tim O'Brien, Ronny Elliott, Terri Hendrix with Lloyd Maines, Folk Uke with Annie Guthrie, Joel Rafael, Rob McNurlin, Jack Williams, Don Conoscenti, Antje Duvekot, Johnsmith, Jamaica Rafael, Sam Baker, Steppin' In It, Red Dirt Rangers, David & Adam Amram, The Burns Sisters, Romi Mayes, Susan Shore, Buffalofitz, Emily Kaitz, Happenstance, Lisa Curl, Larry Spears, John Fullbright, Travis Kidd, Randy Crouch, Barton & Sweeney Trio, The Farm Couple, The Mudville Project, Greg Klyma, Bob Childers, Tony Lee Thomas, Effron White, Nancy Apple, Likely Stories, Derek and Nate, Radoslav Lorkovic, Ronny Cox, Joe Gee, Samantha Crain, Jed and Kelley. Fesitival regular Slaid Cleaves will be absent this year, but I just produced a cover of Woody's unpublished song "This Morning I Am Born Again" set to new music by Cleaves for Dallas-based singer-songwriter David Howard's "Spark" CD. (You can hear excerpts at www.CDBaby.com/howarddavid and at iTunes; more info at www.DavidHoward.com) A couple of years ago, Woody's daughter, Nora Guthrie, began giving some of today's most respected singer-songwriters access to his enormous unpublished catalog, and, as a result, Eliza Gilkyson has also recorded a new/old Woody Guthrie song, "Peace Song". (You can hear an excerpt here: http://www.elizagilkyson.com/Land_of_Milk_and_Honey.htm) If anyone on the Joni list is going to the festival, I would love reading about your favorite performances, experiences and encounters! J np: Marc Broussard, If I Could Build My Whole World Around You - --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:27:10 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Viva La Frida on this Friday/Viernes Today would have been Frida Kahlo's 100th birthday. Truth and beauty and fierce passion is what you were, nuestra querida, Frida. Gracias por la belleza que nos dejastes. In remembrance of Frida.. Hurry To The Source Of Life How could the soul not take flight When from the glorious Presence A soft call sweet as honey, comes right up to her And whispers, "Rise up now, come away." How could the fish not jump Immediately from dry land into water When the sound of water from the ocean Of fresh waves spring to his ear How could the hawk not fly away Forgetful of all the hunting to the wrist of the king As soon as he hears the drum The king's baton hits again and again, Drumming out the signal of return? How could the Sufi not start to dance Turning on himself, like an atom, in the sun of eternity So he can leap free of this dying world? Fly away, fly away bird to your native home you have leapt free of your cage Your wings are flung back in the wind of God. Leave behind the stagnant and marshy waters, Hurry, hurry, go now, O sweet bird, to the source of Life ~Rumi~ jeannie NP under a thunderous and dark sky: A Case Of You--Prince Both sky and song are beautiful. My soul is Sufi spinning. - --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Ives Subject: J.M. piano/vocal music publication proposal Greetings, I'm a professional music engraver (i.e. music copyist) and music editor who has worked for 14 years in classical music publishing. At present there is no complete volume of Joni Mitchell's piano/vocal music (e.g. songs like "The Last Time I Saw Richard"); and previous publications that attempt to present piano/vocal transcriptions, like the "Joni Mitchell Songbooks" of the 1970s, have woefully poor transcriptions. I would like to propose a new publication that will include all of the piano/vocal music (including songs that include other instruments, like "Let the Wind Carry Me.") As a music editor, I would oversee the transcriptions to ensure that they are accurate, and as an engraver (copyist) I would ensure that they are not simply readable but graphically stunning and beautiful. Who would I contact to discuss such a project? Does anyone know the contact information for her manager, or whoever oversees her music publications? Many thanks, - --Tom Brodhead http://home.att.net/~tom.brodhead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:32:18 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: J.M. piano/vocal music publication proposal I would certainly love this! The full 'Blue' version intro to TLTISR would be amazing... I'm sure I could work it out but it might drive my neighbours crazy... I think there is (was) a complete works out last year but there were so many mistakes in the guitar side that they had to go back and re-do it... we still await the 2nd Edition Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 06/07/07, Charles Ives wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm a professional music engraver (i.e. music copyist) and music editor who has worked for 14 years in classical music publishing. > > At present there is no complete volume of Joni Mitchell's piano/vocal music (e.g. songs like "The Last Time I Saw Richard"); and previous publications that attempt to present piano/vocal transcriptions, like the "Joni Mitchell Songbooks" of the 1970s, have woefully poor transcriptions. > > I would like to propose a new publication that will include all of the piano/vocal music (including songs that include other instruments, like "Let the Wind Carry Me.") As a music editor, I would oversee the transcriptions to ensure that they are accurate, and as an engraver (copyist) I would ensure that they are not simply readable but graphically stunning and beautiful. > > Who would I contact to discuss such a project? Does anyone know the contact information for her manager, or whoever oversees her music publications? > > Many thanks, > --Tom Brodhead > http://home.att.net/~tom.brodhead > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:29:28 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: njc, a gift for Deadheads now JMU From: "jeannie" > Patti, Cheech said, "Man, the chick is twisted," and Chong cooly continued > on with, "Crazy, oobie-shoobie. You hear? Flip City" I hate to be Mr. Pick-a-nit, but the only thing Chong said was "No driver on the top?". The rest was Cheech. I always heard "hip-flip city" at the end, but there will never be a consensus on that. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:34:44 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: J.M. piano/vocal music publication proposal I would suggest looking at the last book to be offered for sale and see who is/are listed as the publishers of the book itself or the individual songs. Alternatively, one could contact BMI and ask for the publisher of a particular song. They usually file it under the artist who recorded it. This route might not yield the name of the holder of print rights, however. Be aware that the publishers who hold print rights tend to be very defensive about the quality of their product, so reminding them what a sloppy careless job they did is probably NOT the best opening gambit. LAHM ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:12:05 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: J.M. piano/vocal music publication proposal Hi Tom- Joni has, to the best of my knowledge, always owned her publishing rights, which is not to say that they are not already licensed to someone. The 'complete' guitar book that Jamie mentioned which was quickly withdrawn (it was incomplete) was published by Alfred. Joni's management is Macklam/Feldman Management out of Vancouver. Full contact info can be found here: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=599788 It would be great to have full transcriptions of her piano music. I know the For The Roses ones were pretty good, though not perfect, and the Blue and LadiesofCanyon ones were bad. I think mostly they have been inaccurate. There are people on this list that have worked on them. RR > Greetings, > > I'm a professional music engraver (i.e. music copyist) and music editor > who has worked for 14 years in classical music publishing. > > At present there is no complete volume of Joni Mitchell's piano/vocal > music (e.g. songs like "The Last Time I Saw Richard"); and previous > publications that attempt to present piano/vocal transcriptions, like the > "Joni Mitchell Songbooks" of the 1970s, have woefully poor transcriptions. > > I would like to propose a new publication that will include all of the > piano/vocal music (including songs that include other instruments, like > "Let the Wind Carry Me.") As a music editor, I would oversee the > transcriptions to ensure that they are accurate, and as an engraver > (copyist) I would ensure that they are not simply readable but graphically > stunning and beautiful. > > Who would I contact to discuss such a project? Does anyone know the > contact information for her manager, or whoever oversees her music > publications? > > Many thanks, > --Tom Brodhead > http://home.att.net/~tom.brodhead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:22:40 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: njc, a gift for Deadheads now JMU No, Randy, on the contrary, I'm glad you set the record straight. I do remember when I was in high school, that I couldn't figure out exactly what that oobie shoobie, hip-flip city or what-ever Cheech was saying. I remember those lines were not printed with the lyrics. I remember now Chong's distinct voice saying, "What, no driver on the top?" concerning those double decker buses.The lines are etched in my memory but it's years since I've played all of C&S through. I listen every now and then to Trouble Child--{Monika, that may be my theme song--I thought about that earlier} and I love the clickety-clack hum throughout the song, Just Like This Train. And I love the way Joni sings harmonies on the album, especially, Car On The Hill. Raised on Robbery reminded me of the 1940's Andrew Sisters sound which Joni does all by herself. It's really nice what Joni can/could do with her voice. But, in all honesty, that's the only Joni album that's put up. I think the over play got to me and it bothers me that folks often think Joni's work consists of ,"Help Me." I like kd lang but I can't even listen to the 'Help Me' cover on the tribute album. That's how much I got burnt out. Anyway, back to the subject, I took the liberty to play around with the Cheech and Chong verses knowing I wasn't 100% sure about the oobie-shoobie, flip city or whatever Cheech said. I knew Chong was in there somewhere. I just got the wrong place. Anyway, that's the humorous side of Joni I appreciate and I apologize for the mistake. Thanks, Randy. Truly, jeannie Randy Remote wrote: From: "jeannie" > Patti, Cheech said, "Man, the chick is twisted," and Chong cooly continued > on with, "Crazy, oobie-shoobie. You hear? Flip City" I hate to be Mr. Pick-a-nit, but the only thing Chong said was "No driver on the top?". The rest was Cheech. I always heard "hip-flip city" at the end, but there will never be a consensus on that. RR - --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:32:30 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Want To Book Joni At Your Corporate Event? http://www.grabow.biz/HighBudgetSpecialEvents/JoniMitchell.html She's listed under contemporary musical entertainment, along with everyone from Alicia Keys and CSNY to Stevie Wonder and the Yeah Yeah Yeahs. (They even list Pink Floyd, who have vowed never to reunite..hmmm) http://www.grabow.biz/Contemporary/index.html She's also listed in the high budget section with Fleetwood Mac, Whitney Houston and the Rolling Stones. http://www.grabow.biz/HighBudgetSpecialEvents/index.html "I'll play if you have the money..." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #257 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------