From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #251 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 2 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 251 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Mingus, yay or nay? [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Mingus, yay or nay? [Paul In MD ] RE: Mingus, yay or nay? ["Richard Flynn" ] Subject: Mingus, yay or nay? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] The Joni Mitchell Phenomenon? njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: The Joni Mitchell Phenomenon? njc [Em ] Re: Beatles Again njc ["Randy Remote" ] Joni vids on Telecaster web site [Bruce Eggleston ] Re: Joni vids on Telecaster web site [Motitan@aol.com] THOSL: Joni's expectations? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: The Joni Mitchell Phenomenon? njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 18:28:49 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Mingus, yay or nay? Well Monika, I can understand the controversy that Mingus received when it was first released. Although in retrospect, you can hear Joni's leaning towards jazz in the albums leading up to it, Mingus was a head first leap into jazz with a master at her side. Whether it was Joni's attempt to shake the "folkie" label or taking hold of a unique opportunity, Mingus would put a smile on the most devoted jazz fan. I'm a little biased because I am yet to hear anything that Joni has recorded that I don't like but, I was so into Joni that I would follow her into any genre she chooses to experiment with. Mingus influenced me to get into jazz and I'm grateful of that. As suggested before, the rap between songs might be superfluous now but, it is a record of the time. Joni knew Charles was not going to be around for much longer so, I guess she wanted his voice and the experience recorded. My favourites are A Wolf That Lives In Lindsey, A Chair In The Sky and The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines. Mark in Sydney NP Nancy Whiskey - JM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 06:29:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: Mingus, yay or nay? Briefly delurking to voice a vigorous YAY. Of course, that wasn't how I always felt about it. I originally bought the recording on 8 track and could barely listen to it with the exception of Chair In The Sky which annoyingly changed tracks in the middle of the song. If you're of a certain age, you know what I mean. I had never been exposed to jazz and didn't much care for it at that point. I wrote Joni off. Two years later, I was browsing a record store and they were playing Wild Things Run Fast. No mistaking -- no one sounds like her. Those were the days -- when a new Mitchell album got played on the sound system at a record store. At that point, I only owned Court And Spark, Hissing and Hejira. Anyway, I bought Wild Things, was rehooked and purchased every album since. Sometime in the 80s I saw a Mingus cassette on a clearance rack and bought it. Chair, The Wolf In Lindsay and Dry Cleaner From Des Moines became my favorites. CDs were coming out about that time, however, and I really didn't listen that much to the tape. It wasn't until I joined this group many dim years ago that I got the tape out and gave it some serious play and appreciated it for the masterpiece that it is. I have to say, I was absolutely blown away by the Dave Blackburn remaster. I snagged several of those projects, Mingus and Song To A Seagull being my favorites. The sound on these are so different from the original recordings that I consider them to be concerts of the original albums. There's a moment in Sweet Sucker Dance where Joni's voice just takes off and soars -- takes my breath away. And Song To A Seagull sounds like Joni is singing in a church and I'm sitting in the front pew. Clean, crisp, clear. Thanks Dave! They're really not for casual listening. Find the best sound system you can with the best speakers (or headphones), sit down, close your eyes and let the sound wash over you. They're that good. Back to lurkdom. Paul In MD Motitan@aol.com wrote: The next album I will be buying of Joni's is Mingus. That being said, what is everyone's opinion on the album? I have no definite plans of buying it just quite yet (haven't even seen it the record stores that have used albums so will look online in the near future) but am curious as to what everyone's thoughts are. I have heard only what is on "Shadows and Light" and what is played in the background in "Woman of Heart & Mind" during the "Mingus" part. So, what say you? - -Monika "Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart. Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside, awakens." C.G. Jung ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. - --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 09:54:57 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Mingus, yay or nay? I'm with Jerry on this one. Nay, but only in retrospect. Yay in that when I bought it in 1979 it got me to buy several Mingus albums and discover the real thing. After that, Joni's Mingus paled. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald A. Notaro Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 11:57 PM To: Michael Flaherty Cc: motitan@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Mingus, yay or nay? Nay for me. So much less than listening to Mingus himself. Jerry Michael Flaherty wrote: > Motitan@aol.com wrote: >>>So, what say you? > > > Yay. Big time. One of her most musically adventurous albums, she's > surrounded by top flight musicians who are with her every step. Mingus > was a musical genius, and choosing Joni for this album--well, it says > something good about each of them. > > A lot of people put this one in their bottom 3, but from what I know of > you I'd say say you absolutely have to check this one out and make up > your own mind. (Remember, a lot opf people dislike DJRD, too, and look > how much you like that one.) > > Michael Flaherty > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:28:50 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Mingus, yay or nay? >The next album I will be buying of Joni's is Mingus. That being said, what is everyone's opinion on the album?> - - -Monika Hi Monika, I love Joni's MINGUS. There were lots of people who followed her helium era and thought she "jumped the shark" with MINGUS. She often says she didn't get any airtime after MINGUS. It doesn't matter to me; I think the review in "downbeat" had it right. The first sentence is, >This is a wonderful piece of work.> http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=951 Jim L. now playing: "I'm Only Sleeping" on the Sunday morning, Beatles-only radio show ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:37:46 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: The Joni Mitchell Phenomenon? njc It's different for everyone alright. Yeah. I'm one of those who likes to hear Joni's songs in the context of the whole album. Anyway, I like the voices of Natalie Merchant & Stephanie Nicks but my interest wanes after 3 or 4 songs. Maybe it's the quality of something else is lacking (the stories? the production?) I think I like those two but don't listen to whole albums from them. It's an interesting thread though. Jim L. >To put it simply, the Joni Mitchell Phenomenon is when you enjoy an artist's work, but you do not enjoy listening to his/her/their entire albums from start-to-finish, however, when compared to similar artists, you enjoy this particular artist's songs much more than his/her/their counterparts. And the Joni Mitchell Phenomenon is something most of us experience, but certainly with different artists.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:14:25 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: The Joni Mitchell Phenomenon? njc In a message dated 7/1/2007 10:44:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net writes: Anyway, I like the voices of Natalie Merchant & Stephanie Nicks but my interest wanes after 3 or 4 songs. Maybe it's the quality of something else is lacking (the stories? the production?) I think I like those two but don't listen to whole albums from them. It's an interesting thread though. - -------------------------------------- I haven't listened to a Cream or Clapton solo album all the way through since I bought them. Don't get me wrong, I think Cream was brilliant and Eric Clapton has some fine work (some not so fine) but I only listen to a couple of songs if I do pick up one of those albums. Funny though, because I would consider Cream in my top 15 favorite bands/artists. But then again what you listen to more or more thoroughly doesn't have to be your favorite band or artist. I listen to a few Everly Brothers songs over and over and over again but in no way would consider them a favorite. But that is different.... - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:38:47 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: NJC Happy Canada Day! It's Canada Day! Next summer I believe I will be going to Vancouver for vacation as my brother, sister, and I take a trip every summer somewhere (this year they are going to Seattle but I simply can't afford to go anywhere so I'm out on this trip). - -Monika Until next year Canada! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:40:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Edith Piaf + a Joni cover (njc) Hi Bob, I saw "La Vie En Rose" on the big screen last week. I hardly noticed the 2-hour screening time of the movie because Edith Piaf's story was a fascinating one and the narrative moved at a fast pace. Marion Cotillard is obviously a national treasure in France by now as her terrific work in this movie made you believe she is the Little Sparrow. I even youtubed some of Piaf's performances to see glimpses of her fiery and sometimes difficult nature as seen in the film, but what amazed me even more is the uncanny similarity of Cotillard to Piaf even in the latter's end-of-life looks. People who are interested to see yet again another famous figure's life enacted onscreen may be interested to check this out. However, I think the too-busy direction, the past-present temporal change in telling the story and the omission of certain key moments in Piaf's life (I read that she aided the resistance movement in France during WWII) make the movie seem episodic. But Marion Cotillard (and Emmanuelle Seigner a.k.a. Mrs Roman Polanski in a minor but vivid role as Titine) triumphed. I can't believe that it was Cotillard I saw in this Russell Crowe movie called "A Good Year" - a movie panned by critics but which I found enjoyable. Certainly not Rohmer caliber but certainly fun and quite a change of pace for Crowe whose very macho and very public antics with the public and particularly the paparazzi are more "Master and Commander" than "A Beautiful Mind". (and oh, Patti, have you seen "Je t'aime Paris" yet?) The Piaf movie is called "La Vie En Rose" here in the States but is called "Le Mome" in France. I like "Le Mome" better given that that name was referenced in the film and highlight's Edith's rise to fame into one of the greatest performers in history. I saw people wipe away tears when the "Non je ne regrette rien" sequence was played. Now for a Joni cover with a Mingus slant. I went to Reader's Corner yesterday in Raleigh which I think must have been Bob M.'s playground in the past. I bought a couple CDs and LPs there and I saw this disc called The Jazz Circle feat. Steve Coghill on vocals. He performed "Goodbye Porkpie Hat" with Joni's lyrics. He even wrote a paragraph in the liner notes how he loved Joni's lyrics to Mingus' tune and also related how Joni struggled to write the lyrics and how she found inspiration when she and Don Alias went to see some performance that I forgot to take note. The performance clocks at a little more than 10 minutes. I did not buy said disc because I thought I'd check Bob's undercover database first. Now that I found out that it is not yet on your list, do you want me to get the disc, Bob? I'll be back there in the Reader's Corner next weekend. Let me know. Joseph in Chapel Hill (counting the days to begin his final diss. field research) np: TK Webb - The Spade Bob.Muller@Fluor.com a icrit : Two of which have Joni Covers, Joseph - not too shabby! Speaking of Edith Piaf, has anyone seen the new film about her, titled "La Vie En Rose" (or something like that). It is supposed to be wonderful. Bob NP: Al Jarreau, "One Good Turn" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. ------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: RE : Edith Piaf + a Joni cover (njc) And I saw it in NY two weeks ago. Went at 11 a.m. expecting 10 people to show and the movie was full. Great movie. Though it takes many liberties with Piaf's life. Jerry Joseph Palis wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I saw "La Vie En Rose" on the big screen last week. I hardly noticed the > 2-hour screening time of the movie because Edith Piaf's story was a > fascinating one and the narrative moved at a fast pace. Marion Cotillard > is obviously a national treasure in France by now as her terrific work > in this movie made you believe she is the Little Sparrow. I even > youtubed some of Piaf's performances to see glimpses of her fiery and > sometimes difficult nature as seen in the film, but what amazed me even > more is the uncanny similarity of Cotillard to Piaf even in the latter's > end-of-life looks. People who are interested to see yet again another > famous figure's life enacted onscreen may be interested to check this > out. However, I think the too-busy direction, the past-present temporal > change in telling the story and the omission of certain key moments in > Piaf's life (I read that she aided the resistance movement in France > during WWII) make the movie seem episodic. > > But Marion Cotillard (and Emmanuelle Seigner a.k.a. Mrs Roman Polanski > in a minor but vivid role as Titine) triumphed. I can't believe that it > was Cotillard I saw in this Russell Crowe movie called "A Good Year" - a > movie panned by critics but which I found enjoyable. Certainly not > Rohmer caliber but certainly fun and quite a change of pace for Crowe > whose very macho and very public antics with the public and particularly > the paparazzi are more "Master and Commander" than "A Beautiful Mind". > > (and oh, Patti, have you seen "Je t'aime Paris" yet?) > > The Piaf movie is called "La Vie En Rose" here in the States but is > called "Le Mome" in France. I like "Le Mome" better given that that name > was referenced in the film and highlight's Edith's rise to fame into one > of the greatest performers in history. I saw people wipe away tears when > the "Non je ne regrette rien" sequence was played. > > Now for a Joni cover with a Mingus slant. > > I went to Reader's Corner yesterday in Raleigh which I think must have > been Bob M.'s playground in the past. I bought a couple CDs and LPs > there and I saw this disc called The Jazz Circle feat. Steve Coghill on > vocals. He performed "Goodbye Porkpie Hat" with Joni's lyrics. He even > wrote a paragraph in the liner notes how he loved Joni's lyrics to > Mingus' tune and also related how Joni struggled to write the lyrics and > how she found inspiration when she and Don Alias went to see some > performance that I forgot to take note. The performance clocks at a > little more than 10 minutes. > > I did not buy said disc because I thought I'd check Bob's undercover > database first. Now that I found out that it is not yet on your list, do > you want me to get the disc, Bob? I'll be back there in the Reader's > Corner next weekend. Let me know. > > > Joseph in Chapel Hill > (counting the days to begin his final diss. field research) > > np: TK Webb - The Spade > > > > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com a icrit : > > Mabel Mercer & Bobby Short - At The Town Hall (4.95)(Both Sides Now) > > > Two of which have Joni Covers, Joseph - not too shabby! > > Speaking of Edith Piaf, has anyone seen the new film about her, titled "La > Vie En Rose" (or something like that). It is supposed to be wonderful. > > Bob > > NP: Al Jarreau, "One Good Turn" > ------------------------------------------------------------ The > information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential > and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of > this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, > retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action > taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this > in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the > company. ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > --------------------------------- > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! > Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:09:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: RE: Mingus, yay or nay? Richard Flynn wrote: >>>>I'm with Jerry on this one. Nay, but only in retrospect. Yay in that when I bought it in 1979 it got me to buy several Mingus albums and discover the real thing. After that, Joni's Mingus paled. To me, that seems beside the point. It's neither my favorite Mingus record (not that I really consider it a "Mingus" record) nor my favorite Joni record (although I think it's in her top 5), but it still stands up as a VERY worthwhile recording in its own right. I would recommend it to anyone who likes Joni's jazz period. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Joni Mitchell Phenomenon? njc I also get really drawn into the whole album. Each album is its own little "world". Like there's STAS World, with its mix of city and seaside, sites and sounds and smells and wind and energy. There's LOTC World (which is my fave) all incense and green leaves and vintage clothes and smell o'weed & guitar sounds. Strangely, Blue doesn't evoke one world for me or even 2...to me is spread out more...but I still like to hear the whole album. There's FTR World, with all the ferns and trees and fallen logs and water and thrown books and power outages and James Taylor is a Bastard and more nature and more green beauty. C&S World is all jet set and the best band she ever had. PLayin in the Band, Joni style. Then Hejira WOrld, all open and dry washed out color and travelling travelling travelling, tripping dryly and hotly. And DJRD World, which is pretty varied, but still bound together visually by black and brown and rust (paprika?) That said, whenever Joni unexpectedly pops on the iPod when its in "shuffle", that works too. The song usually works on its own and seems really brilliant without needing to listen to the whole album. Em - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > It's different for everyone alright. Yeah. I'm one of those who > likes to > hear Joni's songs in the context of the whole album. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:04:13 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Beatles Again njc I agree-although it was a little funny that Larry King kept referring to Paul and Ringo as the "former surviving Beatles"...last time I checked, they were still surviving : ) RR From: "Bree Mcdonough" > This was a truly incredible ...enjoyable show. In spite of LK. > No...actually.. some kudos to him...even though he called Ringo..George. > Marianne and I are going to discover the Beatles together...I being more > familiar with their music than her.... but still a lot left to discover > ..it should be a beautiful adventure. Mostly an adventure for > love...about love.... and music...sounds...looks..style...that changed > the world. No hype!! Paul is a beautiful ..classy man. First > Class!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:20:23 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Joni vids on Telecaster web site I frequent the TDPRI Telecaster Guitar Discussion page and this thread came up today. http://www.tdpri.com/forum/bad-dog-cafe/79277-joni-anderson-aka-joni- mitchell-1965-its-hoot.html Enjoy! Bonneville Bruce Plunking away on his '69 Thinline Telecaster reissue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:05:48 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Joni stamp photo Here's a snapshot of some of the Joni stamp paraphenelia that came out this week. I have not yet seen the pre-stamped postcards - there's one for each of the four artists, including Joni. http://www.flickr.com/photos/franglo/687476859/in/pool-91936958@N00/ Michael in Quibec _________________________________________________________________ New Windows Live Hotmail is here. Upgrade for free and get a better look. www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA150 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:50:49 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni vids on Telecaster web site Thanks for posting that. She's so very young there, eh? I always enjoy reading what people say.....it's always very interesting. - -Mon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:50:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: THOSL: Joni's expectations? Is "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" a list of expectations? There are Harry's expectations, his wife's expectations, Edith's expectations and those of the Kingpin. "Sweet Bird" is nothing but expectations. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:45:57 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: The Joni Mitchell Phenomenon? njc Meta dittos, Em. I'd add The Hissing World Of Expectations; a tour of the downtown and the suburbs. Each one is a different world. (I'm thinking of the voiceover in Apcolypse Now, "Absolutely... G-d damned right.") Jim L. From: "Em" >Each album is its own > little "world". Like there's STAS World, with its mix of city and > seaside, sites and sounds and smells and wind and energy. There's LOTC > World (which is my fave) all incense and green leaves and vintage > clothes and smell o'weed & guitar sounds. Strangely, Blue doesn't evoke > one world for me or even 2...to me is spread out more...but I still > like to hear the whole album. There's FTR World, with all the ferns and > trees and fallen logs and water and thrown books and power outages and > James Taylor is a Bastard and more nature and more green beauty. C&S > World is all jet set and the best band she ever had. Playin' in the > Band, Joni style. > Then Hejira World, all open and dry washed out color and travelling > travelling travelling, tripping dryly and hotly. And DJRD World, which > is pretty varied, but still bound together visually by black and brown > and rust (paprika?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:46:07 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: Mingus, yay or nay? Some perspective on me 'n' Joni first, inasmuch as I'm amongst the fortunate to have fallen for Joni with her first radio play in 1968. I believe it was "Michael From Mountains" on KNAK Radio, Salt Lake City. I have been a stark knockers fan ever since to this day, and have purchased her every release (except the last two) at the time of release. I love all of her albums, but the arc of the love affair peaked around "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" in 1977, more or less in mid-career (excepting the greatest hits and concert releases). I'm also not a big jazz fan except for the big albums from the big names, your Miles Davis, your Satchmo, your Ella, your Mingus, your Coltrane, your Blakey, your Monk, and a bunch of jazz guitarists. Then "Mingus" hit, and by crackey, I'm smitten again! This is a work of pure and cultured genius where I believe that all concerned were totally in the zone. I have often wondered what those sessions must have been like, particularly were these largely one-take-wonders, or, were they produced to a fare-the-well? This aspect of all music is important to me, as I think that the one-take-wonders are the essence of music at its finest. This does not mean that I disparage production techniques, as there is an important art there as well. (See Pauls: Simon and McCartney) It is just that I am always moved by the one- takers because the spirit is there in boxcar-loads and it comes out in the record. Either way on Mingus, one-take or produced, it is still pure genius from all concerned. It is a benchmark in modern music, and so-far it seems to stand almost alone, for albums since it was released, in its intensity for a jazz vocal album with absolutely burning accompanying players. Ironically, the measure of this effort is one of seeming repulsion to both older Joni fans and older Mingus/ jazz fans, and an embracing by the critics and more progressive fans on either side of the divide [between jazz and rock/folk fans]. This is where my wife finally turned her back on Joni, though she continues to listen to pre-Mingus albums. This seems to be a common reaction for the folks I know. Too bad for them, 'cause I'm doing that sweet sucker dance in my pork pie hat. Bonneville Bruce NPIMH: I's a muggin' ohh-dah-buh-doo-bee. > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:29:45 -0700 > From: "Lori Fye" > Subject: Re: Mingus, yay or nay? > >> Mingus was a musical genius, and choosing Joni for this album-- >> well, it > says something good about each of them. > > Well put and I agree, Michael. > > I believe there are accounts of Mingus seeking out Joni for the > album, very > probably in http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/ > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #251 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------