From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #232 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, June 14 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 232 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: This is a rant about Rousseau, Joni, O'keefe and erotic imagery [Mark] Re: This is a rant about Rousseau, Joni, O'keefe and erotic imagery [Cat] NJC Hi from Spain [JoniPD ] Re:O'keefe, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: O'keefe, njc [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Joni stamp [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: NJC Hi from Spain [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC Hi from Spain ["Cassy" ] Rush tour kicks off in Atlanta! (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: This is a rant about Rousseau, Joni, O'keefe and erotic imagery ["She] Re: Stamps of many countries - and Joni's on one! ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Rush tour kicks off in Atlanta! (njc) [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: This is a rant about Rousseau, Joni, O'keefe and erotic imagery Hi Bene. I don't know if you were referring to me or another Mark but I definitely did not interpret any verse as Joni's discussing her vagina. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:16:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: This is a rant about Rousseau, Joni, O'keefe and erotic imagery - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hi Bene. I don't know if you were referring to me or > another Mark but I > definitely did not interpret any verse as Joni's > discussing her vagina. > > Mark in Sydney > Bene may have been thinking about a poem (or song?) that Joni did with Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention. I know it has been mentioned here before. I found this doing a google search: "yes, joni mitchell sat in with the mothers, on november 13th, 1970, at the fillmore east in nyc. "'joni mitchell sat in with us last night during the second show and we improvised a thing that was really good. and we ended it with her singing 'duke of earl'. really far out, she came on stage: 'now ok and we're going to improvise this thing...' and we did a few chords for her and she started reciting this poem which began: 'penelope wants to fuck the sea..." and the audience did a double take 'yuuunk!'... a little hush falls over the fillmore... joni mitchell?' -zappa, 1970 (source: miles)" source: http://www.united-mutations.com/m/joni_mitchell.htm I think Bene also asked about Georgia O'Keefe but I figured someone else would have answered this by now and I've deleted the post, so, being lazy, am tagging on to this one. Joni did meet Georgia O'Keefe. I believe she was a big fan of O'Keefe's art. There are a number of references on the jmdl library, including this one - Joni has used this story a few times: "When I met Georgia O'Keefe she was in her 90s and she said to me, `Well, I would have liked to have been a musician too, but you can't do both.' And I said, `Oh yes you can.' And she leaned in on her elbows and said, `Really? You know, I would have liked to have played the violin.' I said, you know, `Well, take it up, Georgia,' you know? I mean, you know, start today, you know." Y'know? Source: http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1019 (not sure if link will work since it's a search at the jmdl.com library.) Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:38:29 +0200 From: JoniPD Subject: NJC Hi from Spain Hi, dears! I know I know, it's been a lot of time since you read from me (and I don't even read every e-mail... I've got some 5000 unread, he he) I've got a (little) reason for this... as some of you may know, my high school has been trying to adopt the Quality management system according to the UNE-EN ISO 9001:2000... and yours truly galleguinno friend is the Responsible for Quality: it's been two courses of very high work (I've almost made it all by myself, at least the management and redesign labour)... but we've succeeded!!! The Quality certificate is on its way to us. I felt I've got to tell you about it: although I'm not much active on list, it's still my favourite list, and there's many people I really Love, here (not to mention the ones I've got the great luck to meet in the *still unofficial* eurojonifest) a transatlantic hug for y'all! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Roberta Flack: Just Like a Woman (my favourite cover from the brand new Principe de Asturias' Arts Prize) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:06:35 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re:O'keefe, njc Bene showed us: > http://www.artst.org/okeefe/ > Hi Bene, These look cool to me all together as displayed on the website, but there are only a few of them I'd get into standing on their own. I'd love to see them in an exhibit. Thanks for the site. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:12:29 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: O'keefe, njc Yes, as I said I know I have seen some on posters, but thought they were a bit.. well I don't know. It's only because I heard that she and Joni made friends that I asked my friend if she knew this painter. I would LOVE to see an exhibition! I don't know which museums have her work, except for the Georgia O'Keefe museum in Santa Fe. Makes me want to paint! Bene On 6/14/07, LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > > Bene showed us: > > > > http://www.artst.org/okeefe/ > > > > Hi Bene, > > These look cool to me all together as displayed on the website, but > there are only a few of them I'd get into standing on their own. I'd love > to see them in an exhibit. Thanks for the site. > > Love, > Laura > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:17:32 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni stamp Doug sent us: > > http://www.canadapost.ca/corporate/about/newsroom/pr/bin/joni_mitchell-e.pdf > Hi Doug, Thanks for the site. She's such a happy Canadian! I love it! If I had a surplus of these I'd stick them all over my face and go to the mall. Love, Laura NP: Universally Speaking, Red Hot Chili Peppers on my new 2GB MP3 player I found for $30 online ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:21:56 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Hi from Spain Hi Emiliano - so good to hear from you, brings back some good times. Congratulations on the accomplishments, I won't offer my opinions on the whole ISO-9000/1/2 business, but I know that you did a great job and maybe even had a wonderful time. Bob NP: Fiona Apple, "Get Gone" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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I've been re-acquainting myself with the Traveling Wilburys lately, which has resulted in jogging through the Petty/Orbison/Dylan/Harrison catalogs as well (again, sorry, but this time to the Lynne fans, but there is no luckier man than Jeff Lynne for getting to play with the rest of those guys...ELO had some good tunes, but c'mon, he barely deserves to set up the mike stands for them...as usual, I digress). What strikes me the most about all these guys is Dylan's late career sense of humor, which unless you're Weird Al, is something sorely lacking in the world of music these days. It's been almost 20 years, but the Wilbury project that started out as a one-off lark still seems to be running through ol' Bob's veins. Still the same ol' Dylan lyrical magic, but much more loose and casual. Modern Times also happens to be one helluva blues album...which is nice, real nice. In short, congratulations, Bob -- doin' the US proud!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~ Bob Dylan wins arts award in Spain By CIARAN GILES, Associated Press WriterWed Jun 13, 11:50 AM ET Bob Dylan was awarded Spain's Prince of Asturias arts award, one of the country's most prestigious honors, Wednesday. "He's a living legend of popular music," said Jose Llado Fernandez-Urrutia, president of the prize's panel of judges. Dylan, 66, has been one of the most influential popular music artists in recent decades, and is regarded by many as a poet. His hits include "Blowin' in the Wind," "The Times They Are a-Changin'," "Like a Rolling Stone" and "All Along the Watchtower." "He's considered one of the most important figures of song, a form in which he combines, in a majestic way, the beauty of his poetry and ethical commitment," said the prize foundation in a statement. "For this reason, his music and message have had an outstanding influence on several generations of young people." Dylan, born Robert Zimmerman in Duluth, Minn., was ranked No. 2 in Rolling Stone magazine's 100 Greatest Artists of All Time in 2004, second to the Beatles. His most recent recording, "Modern Times," on the Columbia Records label, entered the U.S. album charts at No. 1 one week after it was released in 2006. "He pioneered the introduction of literature in popular music, bringing together for the first time European and Afro-American rhythms that were a decisive and revolutionary influence on later generations of musicians," the foundation said. Eight Prince of Asturias awards are given annually in categories including arts, science, sports and humanities to Spaniards and foreigners alike. They are announced during the year and presented each autumn in the northern Spanish city of Oviedo, capital of the Asturias region. Last year's arts award was won by Spanish film director Pedro Almodovar. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:37:34 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Rush tour kicks off in Atlanta! (njc) I attended the first show of the Rush "Snakes and Arrows" tour last night and once again, was blown away by magnificent artistry, showmanship, and sheer talent. Geddy's voice sounded stronger than ever and their performance, nearly 3 hours, was a mixture of new and old material with some nice surprises, including one classic song never performed live ever before. Their sense of humor is still intact as well..during the second set, there was a little film clip of South Park....all the kids are playing in a band called "Lil' Rush" and Cartman screws up the lyrics to "Tom Sawyer" and starts singing about a raft floating down a river. Kyle tells him, "That's Huckleberry Fin you idiot, we're playing "Tom Sawyer! Do it right this time", then Cartman says "I'm Geddy Lee and I can sing it however I want to." They count it off again and this time the real band plays. I'm currently sitting out on the back porch with my two cats...having to fog my apartment for fleas...yikes! Not much longer to go though. Anyhow, a tremendous show, probably about my 12 time seeing them live and I would have, after 30 years of playing together, I would still rate them at the top of my list as one of the best bands to see live. I won't mention the set list as some list members who may be going may not want to know. One of my friends kept offering to tell us what they were going to play but we insisted on being surprised. I think its always better that way. Victor NP: Sequentia "In Principio Omnes" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:17:36 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... Hi Kate! Sorry I missed your post earlier! Please do dig it out and hang it again! I'm trying to get a framed print for my living room. Whenever I look at it online, I feel so close to Joni's imagery of Rousseau in her song and I feel a real connection. I had to find something that stuck out to me personally and Sleeping Gypsy does that for me! Love, Sherelle Kate wrote: >I fell in love with a painting called "Sleeping Gypsy".< I love that painting! I have it in poster form somewhere (& it used to hang over my desk in my office of my previous home) I will have to see if I can dig it out! _________________________________________________________________ Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play nowit's FREE! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:23:48 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... Hi David, I didn't know that about people turning away from Joni's music with Hissing of Summer Lawns because that's when I was first introduced to her. My college roomate had that and Court and Spark in her album collection and I went nuts over both! I didn't really know too much about her prior to those two albums. Very interesting. I'm very glad that Joni has taken the musical risks that she did with this and other albums. I'm one of those strange fans who has to go "back to the beginning" and discover her earlier works like "Ladies of the Canyon". I can tell you I love everything she does though some of her stylings are more favored to me than others. I love her artistic freedom and that she had the kahoonas to just do it no matter what! That speaks volumes to me and is why I'm so inspired by her. Sherelle David wrote: I am loving this discussion about Jungle Line. I bought this album on release and in those days you didn't really hear snippets of new songs like you do now. So the song was a major shock to almost all those who had heard Joni, and it was hard to imagine that the same person of Ladies of the Canyon could have released such an amazing composition. I loved all of the album -- but a lot of fans, and I mean a lot, deserted Joni... and I think the song Jungle Line was responsible for a lot of that. But as history shows the deserters were wrong. Anyway Jungle Line contains one of my most favorite paintings in words and music as follows: There's a poppy wreath on a soldier's tomb There's a poppy snake in a dressing room Poppy poison poppy tourniquet It slithers away on brass like mouthpiece spit. ... signing off for now, Peace, David _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:34:14 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... That's very interesting Jack. Even though I absolutely love the Jungle Line now and even then, one song that stuck out to me even more than that was "Edith and the Kingpin". I keep saying this but Omar Shariff in a white suit, diamond ring, and cane popped into my head. The imagery on the entire album is amazing but you may have a point as this being an album women relate to better, especially "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow". I think the theme throughout related to a woman's struggle in life and in relationships. One song that for some reason I never listened to until recently was "Sweet Bird". Don't ask me why because I can't give you a good answer. Now I can't listen to it enough! I absolutely love it. I didn't realize it was a song about a woman's fading looks and fading youth. It fits right in with the rest of the songs. It is more of a third person type of observation for her whereas Court and Spark was up close and personal. It's amazing how differently we each approach Joni's music. You make some very interesting comments. Sherelle Jack wrote: For me, The Jungle Line was the only song on this album that I loved when this album came out.B The rest of the album did nothing for me at all.B I'm not sure why, but I remember thinking that you would need to be a female to appreciate this album.B I've never felt that way about any Joni album before or since.B When Hejira came out, I loved it from the second the needle hit the grooves (though I still didn't like HOSL). Fortunately, I had a very persistant room mate at the time, and finally, about 6 months after Hejira came out, and after about the 100th listening (at my room mate's insistance), I finally got it.B It was like a light switch was flipped, and the album suddenly made sense to me.B Now it's hard to even imagine what I didn't like about in the first place. Jack _________________________________________________________________ Picture this  share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:43:47 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... Hi dear Jim, Thanks so much for sharing that! I had no idea and I think it's pretty cool he's in the glossary on Joni's site! Sherelle Jim wrote: In the Glossary, there's an entry for Rousseau. http://jonimitchell.com/research/glossary.cfm Jim L. _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:54:12 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Sherelle, Majors and Rousseau (njc) Hi Kakki and thank you so much for your kind words. I can truly, truly relate to why you do not wish to go into detail about your experience. I just had to find a way to come back to my friends here because I was really slipping away from them. I've had a few Guardian Angel experiences myself so I definitely would not be one to argue with you. Life is such a mystery and it's so hard to understand what purpose is served through tragedy. However, I am persuaded that something good can come out of even the worst situation. I agree with you. Ha! Ha! I love how you look at your retirement as "parole"! I've never been at one job long enough to officially "retire" from it but I think I have officially "retired" from the 9 to 5 workplace. I feel "paroled" as well! You're just doing it smarter. I know that music is where I need to be now and somehow, I'm going to make this lifestyle happen. I had to go East to reach West but hopefully will arrive at my destination one day soon. I didn't know this about you. (Great question Patti!) I'm not sure what it is about Rousseau that I love so much but there is definitely something about him! I'm glad you feel the same way. I know have to discover his other side as the sinister, "jungle" side is all I've ever known of him through Joni's music. Love, Sherelle Kakki wrote: Dear Sherelle, I am so sorry to hear about your scary encounter. I have had a similar experience that I don't want to detail but do very much know the sense of trauma and violation. You can and will transcend it. Personally, I do believe faith and hope will get you through a lot. Not that it makes it all easy. One can argue God all they want but I have personal experience of the Guardian Angel phenomenom ;-) I also was a Fine Arts major (specialty in painting and design) with a minor in English. After years of big titles and not much money, I used the English minor a bit and went on to study law for three years to work a way to support myself. Retirement plans, once I am paroled, will be to go back to the art ;-) When I used to study what I loved, Rosseau was one of my favorite artists. But I never quite got the "sinister" shade of him until it was expressed here. Yes! ;-) Kakki NP: Various blather about Paris (god help us all and I do kinda like her in an absurdist way ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:02:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Hi from Spain - --- JoniPD wrote: > I've got a (little) reason for this... > as some of you may know, my high school has been > trying to adopt the > Quality management system according to the UNE-EN > ISO 9001:2000... and > yours truly galleguinno friend is the Responsible > for Quality: > it's been two courses of very high work (I've almost > made it all by > myself, at least the management and redesign > labour)... > but we've succeeded!!! > > The Quality certificate is on its way to us. I've never even understood what that was supposed to mean, but apparently it's sought after, so CONGRATULATIONS! > (not to mention the ones I've got the great luck to > meet in the *still > unofficial* eurojonifest) If that's a reference to the fact that the stories still aren't posted on jmdl.com, I did send them to Les a while ago (albeit more than a year after the fact), but I wasn't going to nag him about it (ahem.) > a transatlantic hug for y'all! > Have a Wonderful time! > Emiliano > Right back at you - it's about time we heard from you! Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:08:32 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: This is a rant about Rousseau, Joni, O'keefe and erotic imagery Wow! Wow! Wow! Georgia, if you're looking down, forgive me for not mentioning you earlier! Thanks so much Bene for sharing that link! I'm in heaven! The closest I've gotten to Georgia's works were calendars that I used to buy every year and still have saved somewhere. (I didn't get a chance to buy one for this year!) You are right on the money with your thoughts on her work! It's interesting that you mention Georgia O'Keefe's work as erotic imagery because all I've ever seen of her work is the beautiful florals that she painted which were included in the calendar art. I have much to learn in this area being the prude that I am! (smile). Her work is absolutely gorgeous no matter what the label. I took a music and art history course once many years ago so I am very rusty in this regard. I do have to say I agree with you with your comparisons between Joni and Van Gogh. I forget where I saw it but I saw pictures of Joni and Georgia together and there was some sort of story about it. Please forgive me and refresh my memory anyone. Was it on "Woman of Heart and Mind"? Thanks again Bene for the link! I saved it! I want to have a house full of prints from Joni, Rousseau and Georgia O'Keefe! My life will be complete then!!! (smile) Sherelle Bene wrote: Speaking of Rousseau, looking at his paintings with Joni's artwork in mind makes me see both of them in a different light. The strong colours and the naive contrasts... It's the same thing with Van Gogh. But the reason I write this is that a friend of mine showed me a book about Georgia O'Keefe. Wow! I must have seen some of her art on posters but probably just thought they were tacky. But her paintings are so stunning and intriguing (I mean look at thishttp://www.artst.org/okeefe/ !!! ) - and again, I see some kind of dialogue and relatedness between Joni and her, which makes me appreciate her art in a new way. One difference between her and O'keefe is that O'Keefe's paintings are erotic in a way I don't think you'd find with Joni, or have I just not seen it or heard it...? I remember Mark (I think) once interpreted some verse, I don't remember of which song, as Joni portraying her own vagina... I didn't know the song and thought this interpretation was a bit far-fetched, since I never found Jonis music particularly full of erotic imagery... But I wonder what everyone else thinks? I have to say that Joni's paintings are so full of colours of a kind that I would not associate with her music. But am beginning to wonder if I am missing a dimension. Bene _________________________________________________________________ Picture this  share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:17:37 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Stamps of many countries - and Joni's on one! I am just so excited that Joni is on a stamp of any kind!!! Thanks so much Doug for the links and thanks mon amie Patti for letting us know about this!!! Sherelle From Doug: I'm afraid the booklet of 8 stamps will include only two Joni plus two Gord Lightfoot, two Ann Murray, and two Paul Anka. We might have to find some Gord, Ann and Paul fans to trade with. Image of the stamp is here: http://www.canadapost.ca/business/corporate/about/newsroom/pr/default-e.asp?prid=1229 http://www.canadapost.ca/corporate/about/newsroom/pr/bin/joni_mitchell-e.pdf Doug Is it just me, or has email gone wonky the last day or two? _________________________________________________________________ Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play nowit's FREE! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:20:53 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Wacky emails (continued and njc) The same thing happened to me with someone's Argentina email address. They went straight to my junk mail folder though. I'm glad I'm not losing my mind! Sherelle Catherine wrote: >> > >I just got home and wondered why I had so many new >e-mails when I had just looked about half an hour >before. Turns out there were 20+ copies of the same >e-mail in my inbox, some "delivery failure >notification" from some e-mail address I never sent >anything to. I guess it was spam - who knows these >days? > >And then, I've been getting answers to e-mails I >haven't even seen yet - those arrive an hour or more later. > >Catherine >Toronto _________________________________________________________________ Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play nowit's FREE! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:15:00 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... You've presented a new dilemma to me as my first question was "which painting or paintings" is Joni referring to in "The Jungle Line". I will have to go do some research on Jean Jaques Rousseau now to see if I can find something close to what she describes in her song. The question still remains from Warren (I think) as to whether the song was truly about Rousseau or more about the social issues and subjects he mentioned. Good question! You're question about Joni referring to both Rousseaus' is also a good one! My brain is on fire now! (smile) Sherelle From: "anon anon" I don't know... Rousseau did create paintings with jungle scenes... What I'd like to know is, could there be any connection with Jean Jaques Rousseau in the song? maybe Joni was reffering to both Rousseaus'? _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:22:57 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths/Joni's changes In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:44:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sherellesmith@hotmail.com writes: I'm very glad that Joni has taken the musical risks that she did with this and other albums. - -------------------------------------------- Absolutely! That is why she is an "artist" and why so many people join lists like this to talk about her work on a day-to-day basis. I think so anyway. As I said, I love THOSL and on one hand can't understand why so many people were turned off by it and on the other hand can. I suppose the perspective is different if you weren't there getting every album as they came out. You know, I mean I wasn't even around when Blue came out....C&S....so I really have no "expectations" when I get the albums. And I know some people on the list discovered Joni later as well. I wonder then, do you think it is easier for someone who discovered Joni later or discovers her now to appreciate and understand all the variety in her work opposed to someone who was there from STAS? You know, first purchasing that back in '68....then Clouds...then Blue....as they came out, etc etc. I know for me (I can't speak for others though) that I wasn't so shocked or shaken up listening to Hissing or Hejira or DJRD (though Hejira took a little more time) because I had read reviews, seen what people, sort of gotten a glimpse into what they were about even before listening (of course I found them different but then again the first album I got by Joni was C&S followed shortly by Blue which I thought were a million miles away from each other as well). I wasn't necessarily used to the "folky Blue" Joni or whatever. Sometimes I wonder if I were alive back in the 60's and 70's (God, if only! IF ONLY!) along for the ride, how I would have reacted to the albums as they came out? Do you think that makes a difference? But I suppose I could understand some being turned off by THOSL. It's a whole different perspective---lyrically especially, but also musically coming from Joni. She's looking outside and paints a new musical background for herself. I notice this album is often referred to as "jazzy" but is it really any more jazzy than C&S? It seems like it's more of a musical progression. I regard "Twisted" from C&S as more jazzy than anything on THOSL. But I suppose C&S has some pop appeal which makes a difference. There are a few verse-refrain-verse-refrain songs that seem to be liked by a majority so much. But then again, I wonder why some could have missed the beauty and brilliance of THOSL?!? It's a new dimension that I think is refreshing. I just love everything about it---the lyrics, the music, Joni's singing, the concept running through it. Jesus! I know there's no need to ramble on and on about my appreciation for the album.....so that's that for me folks. - -Monika, getting offline now ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:06:24 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:43:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sherellesmith@hotmail.com writes: One song that for some reason I never listened to until recently was "Sweet Bird". Don't ask me why because I can't give you a good answer. Now I can't listen to it enough! I absolutely love it - -------------------------------------------------- I love "Sweet Bird." When I first heard it I was blown away by it but then a little after, for some reason, it faded and now I am back to loving it! I love the guitar work on it. It's so ________ (fill in the blank...my mind went blank...it's something though....subtle but intense maybe?). I love how it starts off so softly and grows louder and louder till it is its normal volume. I don't think I ever heard a song do that before. Usually towards the end of songs, they often do the reverse (go from loud to soft before finally skipping to the next track). And of course the words are just marvelous. "...briefer than a falling star all these vain promises on beauty jars...." That just really hits me for some reason. I was singing those two lines just the other day over and over at random times. And then one of my "away messages" I have here on AOL is: "Give me some time, I feel like I'm losing mine." It fits when I don't feel like talking to anyone and therefore put my away message on! They try and IM me and that pops up, haha. The song has a million (well however many lines there are) lines that can be quoted apart from the song and they still retain some quality of substance. "Sweet Bird" is one of my favorites on THOSL. Now that's what I'm talking about! - -Monika, a HUGE fan of THOSL.....my favorite album by Joni and one of my favorite albums of all time! I'd discuss THOSL anytime of the day or night with anyone willing! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:56:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Stamps of many countries - and Joni's on one! Well, we don't want to see her on a US stamp anytime soon, Sherelle. We only put dead people on stamps. Bob NP: America, "Three Roses" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:30:44 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Wacky emails (continued and njc) Wie Sherelle Smith so vortrefflich formulierte: > The same thing happened to me with someone's Argentina email address. > They went straight to my junk mail folder though. I'm glad I'm not > losing my mind! > > Sherelle > > Catherine wrote: >>> >> >> I just got home and wondered why I had so many new >> e-mails when I had just looked about half an hour >> before. Turns out there were 20+ copies of the same >> e-mail in my inbox, some "delivery failure >> notification" from some e-mail address I never sent >> anything to. I guess it was spam - who knows these >> days? This happens when spammers use YOUR address as a sender (they only put your address in the return-to field, it does not mean you sent anything). So those super stupid mail server administrators feel the need to configure their mail program in a way that "bounces" the mail, i.e. the spam mail is returned to the "sender" which is fake but unfortunately your address. So you get tons of mails from "postmasters" etc. I have a client who received about 100 of those mails every day. I then set up a mail filter that trashes anything sent from "postmaster" or has "delivery failure" bla bla in the subject field. That did the trick. moni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:01:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rush tour kicks off in Atlanta! (njc) - --- Victor Johnson wrote: One of my > friends kept offering > to tell us what they were going to play but we > insisted on being > surprised. I think its always better that way. > What is it with some people that they want to spill the beans, or hunt around for Christmas presents and can't understand that some of us really, truly enjoy being surprised? This is a sore point with me because my kids always - and still at their ages! - snoop around looking for Christmas presents, to the point where I've threatened not to give them any at all. Huh. Maybe it's my problem. I probably do overreact - but if they get something for me, they always want me to open it right away, even if it's a week before, and I'd rather wait, dammit! Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:12:45 +0100 From: joe.farrell@ukonline.co.uk Subject: re: stamps of many countries i got the delivery failure thing too. said they tried to deliver to some guy's blackberry. what is going on? - ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:37:40 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... One thing I like about this song is the vocal dissonance in the "oooh's". They are absolutley breathtaking! I also love the soft way it begins as well. Very nice. The time change with the guitar part in the middle of the song is also nice. Top it off with the deep lyrics and the search for real/true beauty makes the song complete. By the way, I love your away message! Sherelle Monika wrote: > > I love "Sweet Bird." When I first heard it I was blown away by it >but >then a little after, for some reason, it faded and now I am back to loving >it! > I love the guitar work on it. It's so ________ (fill in the blank...my >mind went blank...it's something though....subtle but intense maybe?). I >love >how it starts off so softly and grows louder and louder till it is its >normal >volume. I don't think I ever heard a song do that before. Usually >towards >the end of songs, they often do the reverse (go from loud to soft before >finally skipping to the next track). And of course the words are just >marvelous. > >"...briefer than a falling star > all these vain promises on beauty jars...." >That just really hits me for some reason. I was singing those two lines >just the other day over and over at random times. And then one of my >"away >messages" I have here on AOL is: >"Give me some time, I feel like I'm losing mine." >It fits when I don't feel like talking to anyone and therefore put my away >message on! They try and IM me and that pops up, haha. The song has a >million (well however many lines there are) lines that can be quoted apart >from the >song and they still retain some quality of substance. "Sweet Bird" is one >of my favorites on THOSL. Now that's what I'm talking about! >-Monika, a HUGE fan of THOSL.....my favorite album by Joni and one of my >favorite albums of all time! I'd discuss THOSL anytime of the day or >night with >anyone willing! > > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:43:27 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths/Joni's changes You pose good questions Monika. The world is such a unique place made up of so many unique people. That's the only explanation I can give you. Each of us have musical tastes that are suited to us individualily more than anyone else. There's always something in particular that makes us like a song or an artist that no one else has. Uniqueness. While we all here agree that Joni is a tremendous artist, singer and songwrriter, I think we've taken different paths towards that conclusion because through her music, she's given us so many different paths to choose from. We all end up in the same place, just coming from different directions. Sherelle Mon wrote: > > >In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:44:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >sherellesmith@hotmail.com writes: > >I'm very glad that Joni has taken the musical risks that she did with this >and other albums. > > >-------------------------------------------- > Absolutely! That is why she is an "artist" and why so many people >join >lists like this to talk about her work on a day-to-day basis. I think so >anyway. As I said, I love THOSL and on one hand can't understand why so >many >people were turned off by it and on the other hand can. I suppose the >perspective is different if you weren't there getting every album as they >came out. >You know, I mean I wasn't even around when Blue came out....C&S....so I >really have no "expectations" when I get the albums. And I know some >people on >the list discovered Joni later as well. > I wonder then, do you think it is easier for someone who discovered >Joni >later or discovers her now to appreciate and understand all the variety in >her work opposed to someone who was there from STAS? You know, first >purchasing that back in '68....then Clouds...then Blue....as they came >out, etc etc. >I know for me (I can't speak for others though) that I wasn't so shocked >or >shaken up listening to Hissing or Hejira or DJRD (though Hejira took a >little >more time) because I had read reviews, seen what people, sort of gotten a >glimpse into what they were about even before listening (of course I found >them >different but then again the first album I got by Joni was C&S followed >shortly by Blue which I thought were a million miles away from each other >as >well). I wasn't necessarily used to the "folky Blue" Joni or whatever. >Sometimes I wonder if I were alive back in the 60's and 70's (God, if >only! IF >ONLY!) along for the ride, how I would have reacted to the albums as they >came >out? Do you think that makes a difference? > But I suppose I could understand some being turned off by THOSL. >It's a >whole different perspective---lyrically especially, but also musically >coming from Joni. She's looking outside and paints a new musical >background for >herself. I notice this album is often referred to as "jazzy" but is it >really >any more jazzy than C&S? It seems like it's more of a musical >progression. >I regard "Twisted" from C&S as more jazzy than anything on THOSL. But I >suppose C&S has some pop appeal which makes a difference. There are a >few >verse-refrain-verse-refrain songs that seem to be liked by a majority so >much. > But then again, I wonder why some could have missed the beauty and >brilliance of THOSL?!? It's a new dimension that I think is refreshing. >I just >love everything about it---the lyrics, the music, Joni's singing, the >concept >running through it. Jesus! I know there's no need to ramble on and on >about >my appreciation for the album.....so that's that for me folks. >-Monika, getting offline now > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:48:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... - --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > You've presented a new dilemma to me as my first > question was "which > painting or paintings" is Joni referring to in "The > Jungle Line". I will > have to go do some research on Jean Jaques Rousseau > now to see if I can find > something close to what she describes in her song. > The question still > remains from Warren (I think) as to whether the song > was truly about > Rousseau or more about the social issues and > subjects he mentioned. I don't think the song is *about* Rousseau, but that she uses Rousseau's imagery to get to the deeper meaning. The lyrics in this song are amazing, weaving in and out of the painted jungle, the historical jungle, the modern urban jungle. Combine that with the music and you can really visualize this large snake slithering through the landscape. Sometimes it reminds me of a train ride through a wild landscape. and then add Joni's vocals, sometimes slithering up and down the notes and sometimes spitting out the words, but always enunciating very clearly. Coy and bitchy, wild and fine. Slithering away on brass like mouthpiece spit. What a great feckin' song. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:54:53 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... Hi Catherine, What you say makes good sense. I took "Rousseau walks on trumpet paths..." and other references to him as a litera reference to him and his artl. I truly do see what you are talking about though. That just adds so much more depth to the whole thing if you ask me! To combine artistic imagery and verbal imagery in such a way is something I personally have never seen done with the exception of "Starry Starry Night" by the artist whose name escapes me at the moment (old age!) I like it!!!! Sherelle Catherine wrote: > >I don't think the song is *about* Rousseau, but that >she uses Rousseau's imagery to get to the deeper >meaning. The lyrics in this song are amazing, weaving >in and out of the painted jungle, the historical >jungle, the modern urban jungle. Combine that with the >music and you can really visualize this large snake >slithering through the landscape. Sometimes it reminds >me of a train ride through a wild landscape. and then >add Joni's vocals, sometimes slithering up and down >the notes and sometimes spitting out the words, but >always enunciating very clearly. Coy and bitchy, wild >and fine. Slithering away on brass like mouthpiece >spit. > >What a great feckin' song. > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk >email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at >http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca > _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:45:59 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Stamps of many countries - and Joni's on one! Ha! Ha! Touche' Bob! I forgot about that! I definitely DO NOT want to see her on a U.S. stamp anytime soon! Sherelle Bob wrote: > > > >Well, we don't want to see her on a US stamp anytime soon, Sherelle. We >only put dead people on stamps. > >Bob > >NP: America, "Three Roses" >------------------------------------------------------------ >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > >Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... now Sweet Bird - --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > One thing I like about this song is the vocal > dissonance in the "oooh's". > They are absolutley breathtaking! Oooooh yeah! and the way the guitar and the piano are slightly out of synch with one another (maybe that's the wrong choice of words, so I hope you know what I mean.) Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #232 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------