From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #229 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 12 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 229 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... [David Sapp ] Possible Joni reference in book title [Kerry ] Re: The Band - njc [Bob Muller ] Last Sopranos (spoiler) sort of a little jc ["Randy Remote" ] Sherelle, Majors and Rousseau (njc) [] Stormy Weather Joni [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... I am loving this discussion about Jungle Line. I bought this album on release and in those days you didn't really hear snippets of new songs like you do now. So the song was a major shock to almost all those who had heard Joni, and it was hard to imagine that the same person of Ladies of the Canyon could have released such an amazing composition. I loved all of the album -- but a lot of fans, and I mean a lot, deserted Joni... and I think the song Jungle Line was responsible for a lot of that. But as history shows the deserters were wrong. Anyway Jungle Line contains one of my most favorite paintings in words and music as follows: There's a poppy wreath on a soldier's tomb There's a poppy snake in a dressing room Poppy poison poppy tourniquet It slithers away on brass like mouthpiece spit. ... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerry Subject: Possible Joni reference in book title Catherine wrote: >I was browsing around a bookstore yesterday, when I >spotted an interesting title: "Kiss the sunset pig," >by Laurie Gough. It's a travel book, about her trip >from Ontario (Canada) to California. I wonder if she >ever listens to Joni? >http://www.lauriegough.com/books1.html I think I read somewhere that the title was inspired by Joni's song, but I can't remember where I saw it. Mr. Murphy already has the book listed on Joni.com. I read her other book, "Kite Strings of the Southern Cross" and liked it a lot. It's sold under a different name in Canada and here's the reason, as quoted from her website: '"Island of the Human Heart" is the Canadian title for Kite Strings of the Southern Cross. Confusing, I know, but the Canadian publisher, Turnstone Press, wouldn't allow me to keep the Kite Strings title since they thought Canadians wouldn't know what the southern cross was (perhaps they felt Canadians never looked at stars and had no interest in constellations?) and also because they felt Canadians might think the book is about the Ku Klux Klan.' Silly, huh??? Kerry - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Band - njc It IS a beautiful song in every way, melodic and moving like Magdalene Laundries. I don't want to start picking fave Band songs because there are just so many good ones. "It Makes No Difference", another brilliant Rick Danko gem, also done to excellent treatment by My Morning Jacket. Funny thing was, I bought the album those two songs were on based on hearing "Forbidden Fruit" & "Ophelia" and they are both surpassed by both of the other songs. Lots of talent in that bunch to be sure. Bob NP: Sting, "Fields Of Gold" - --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:13:09 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Last Sopranos (spoiler) sort of a little jc First of all, what a rip-off bullshit ending. Also, there was a scene where young AJ quoted the Yeats lines that included "slouching towards Bethlehem" except he called him Yeets. And finally... what a rip-off bullshit ending! RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:10:42 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... For me, The Jungle Line was the only song on this album that I loved when this album came out.B The rest of the album did nothing for me at all.B I'm not sure why, but I remember thinking that you would need to be a female to appreciate this album.B I've never felt that way about any Joni album before or since.B When Hejira came out, I loved it from the second the needle hit the grooves (though I still didn't like HOSL). Fortunately, I had a very persistant room mate at the time, and finally, about 6 months after Hejira came out, and after about the 100th listening (at my room mate's insistance), I finally got it.B It was like a light switch was flipped, and the album suddenly made sense to me.B Now it's hard to even imagine what I didn't like about in the first place. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: David Sapp To: joni list Sent: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 6:32 pm Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... I am loving this discussion about Jungle Line. I bought this album on release nd in those days you didn't really hear snippets of new songs like you do now. o the song was a major shock to almost all those who had heard Joni, and it was ard to imagine that the same person of Ladies of the Canyon could have released uch an amazing composition. I loved all of the album -- but a lot of fans, and mean a lot, deserted Joni... and I think the song Jungle Line was responsible or a lot of that. But as history shows the deserters were wrong. nyway Jungle Line contains one of my most favorite paintings in words and music s follows: here's a poppy wreath on a soldier's tomb here's a poppy snake in a dressing room oppy poison poppy tourniquet t slithers away on brass like mouthpiece spit. .. signing off for now, eace, David - -------------------------------- eed a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:01:11 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: NJC Roger Waters on extreme poverty.... _http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/06/08/waters.commentary/index.html_ (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/06/08/waters.commentary/index.html) (here is the link to the actual article) Here is the actual article itself: SOMETHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT EXTREME POVERTY POSTED: 3:48 p.m. EDT, June 11, 2007 By Roger Waters Special to CNN Adjust font size: Editor's note: Roger Waters is a British rock musician and a founder of Pink Floyd. He's also a spokesman for _Millennium Promise_ (http://www.millenniumpromise.org/site/PageServer?pagename=home) , an organization working to end extreme poverty in Africa. NEW YORK (CNN) -- One dollar. It's the cost of a New York Times, less than half a cup of coffee at Starbucks. These days it's a paltry sum. Even less when you consider that right now, a billion people are struggling to survive on less than one dollar a day. This is what defines "extreme poverty." What is life like on a dollar a day? Miserable, for the most part. It's living so close to the edge that any bad break -- an illness, a drought, a drink of dirty water -- can be fatal. Each day, 20,000 people in this condition die simply because they're too poor to live. In Africa, extreme poverty means farmers hoping that their dusty patch of land will produce enough food to feed their families -- knowing that it won't. Extreme poverty means stunted children trudging miles every day to fetch drinking water that will probably make them sick. It means parents worrying constantly that their kids will die from something as simple as a mosquito bite because the local clinic (if there is one) lacks the medicine to cure malaria. But, as I recently discovered, it doesn't have to be this way. In 2005, I reunited with the other guys from Pink Floyd in London for the Live 8 concerts, which promoted debt relief, fair trade policies and increased foreign aid for poor countries. It was there I discovered a man named Dr. Jeffrey Sachs who has the bold notion that something can be done about extreme poverty. Even bolder, he's actually doing it -- and we can all help. Dr. Sachs is a passionate advocate for the poor who also happens to be a renowned economist and adviser to world leaders. In 2005, he launched something called the Millennium Villages project, a joint effort between Millennium Promise, the Earth Institute at Columbia University, and the United Nations Development Program that is now operating in 79 of the poorest communities in sub-Saharan Africa (and, for that matter, the world). Last year, I began supporting a Millennium Village in Potou, Senegal, a farming and fishing community near the west coast of Africa. I developed an interest in the country after a dear friend of mine, Phillip Constantine, married a Senegalese woman. Senegal, like many sub-Saharan African countries, is a malaria hot zone, where the disease accounts for 25 percent of hospital deaths. Tragically, Phillip died from malaria. Potou is an especially inhospitable place to try to eke out a living. Sand dunes are creeping in and swallowing what little arable land there is. The crops that do grow are constantly threatened by drought and pests. There is hope, however: Millennium Villages are proving that -- even in places like this -- things can be done to improve people's lives and livelihoods. The basic idea is to tackle all the things that cause extreme poverty at once in simple, cost-effective ways. Inexpensive seed and fertilizer are enabling farmers to double and triple their crops. Part of this surplus is being used for school feeding programs. For the first time, many of the students now get a free meal for lunch, and attendance rates and test scores are skyrocketing as a result. Another reason students can go to school is that now, there's clean water in the villages -- no more trudging to get it -- the result of newly protected water sources or freshly dug borehole wells. We're tackling malaria as well: Free bed nets and medicines are reducing malaria infection rates by as much as 90 percent. Success stories like these are inspiring people from all walks of life to join the fight against extreme poverty. For my part, I've been asking fans on my current tour to donate and get involved with Millennium Promise, an organization founded by Dr. Sachs to fight extreme poverty. In memory of my friend Phillip, I recently auctioned off a bass guitar, which raised more than $120,000 for bed nets for the organization. I'm hardly alone. This month, the National Dance Institute in New York City is working with 25,000 inner-city youths to raise awareness about extreme poverty with Senegalese-inspired dance performances. Through their "Pennies for Potou" initiative, the kids are raising money for their peers in Senegal and trading letters with them. People I talk to are shocked to find how relatively inexpensive the solutions to extreme poverty are -- 2 cents buys a de-worming pill, $1 provides a child school meals for a week, $10 buys a bed net that will protect two people from malaria for five years. At those rates, we can all play a part on the global stage and make a lasting change in the lives of people surviving on less than $1 a day. Think about that over your next New York Times and Starbucks coffee. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:53:09 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... In the Glossary, there's an entry for Rousseau. http://jonimitchell.com/research/glossary.cfm Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:27:06 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Live Earth Thanks so much, Randy for supplying that link. It's an excellent web site. This should be very exciting and it's being streamed on MSN. I wonder if any of the commercial networks here will pick it up also. Al Gore certainly is winning over people around the world including Australia. He toured here for the opening of the film and it was a huge success. He has a commanding personality and was a favourite on the talk shows on TV. If someone cares this much about the planet, has the right balance of domestic issues and global perspective, he deserves to win the Presidency. I'd vote for him for World President. He's a Democrat, right? I'm a Democrat voter in this country even though they are a minor party. This is a wonderful project, taking in 9 cities. I can't wait to see what Shanghai and Istanbul comes up with. It would have been even better if more cities were involved like, Toronto, Milan, Barcelona, Paris, Moscow and Los Angeles. Apparently Tokyo is doing two shows at two different venues. As you said, much of Joni's album has environmental themes, it would have been the perfect showcase to debut the album. I believe she is a Democrat voter too, right? Something like this is bound to have some surprise appearances so, who knows? She may turn up after all at the New York show. Toni Collette is using the occasion to present her first musical release. Mark in Sydney NP Holy War - Joni On 12/06/2007, at 3:31 AM, Randy Remote wrote: > I think it's been pretty well publicized here in the US- > it helps that it is being organized by Al Gore, who, it > is still hoped, will try to regain the presidency he won > in 2000 by running again next year, and who has been > riding the wave of popularity from "An Inconvienient > Truth". I've written about it a couple of times here on > the list. The specific purpose of the concerts is to raise > awareness of climate change. The event happens on 7-7-07 (some > esoterics claim 777 is the number of > Christ, though I have not yet signed on to the Gore- > is-Jesus movement), and will be televised, radioized, > and webcast, though details are still pending. > I agree it would be a good fit for Joni, considering that > Shine will be environmentally themed.. So far she has > not been on the list of performers. > http://www.liveearth.org/ > RR > >> Hello Joniphiles. >> Last month there was a news story here about a pretty ambitious >> world-wide project happening in July. Live Earth is supposed to be >> like Live Aid with simultaneous concerts around the world ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:31:00 -0700 From: Subject: Sherelle, Majors and Rousseau (njc) Dear Sherelle, I am so sorry to hear about your scary encounter. I have had a similar experience that I don't want to detail but do very much know the sense of trauma and violation. You can and will transcend it. Personally, I do believe faith and hope will get you through a lot. Not that it makes it all easy. One can argue God all they want but I have personal experience of the Guardian Angel phenomenom ;-) I also was a Fine Arts major (specialty in painting and design) with a minor in English. After years of big titles and not much money, I used the English minor a bit and went on to study law for three years to work a way to support myself. Retirement plans, once I am paroled, will be to go back to the art ;-) When I used to study what I loved, Rosseau was one of my favorite artists. But I never quite got the "sinister" shade of him until it was expressed here. Yes! ;-) Kakki NP: Various blather about Paris (god help us all and I do kinda like her in an absurdist way ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:00:06 -0700 From: Subject: Stormy Weather Joni Bob, It's so funny you sent a link to my original review. I had forgotten it completely and wrote it while on my way to the first Jonifest at Julie's in Pittsburgh. After nearly 10 years past I thought Joseph's review of the event, based on the CD, was much more spot on - and he wasn't even there for the live show. It's too bad the CD did not include all of the songs everyone performed. I have to add that I also was not a Gwen Stefani fan until that show - she was really surprisingly impressive. Don Henley put on another Walden Woods benefit a few years later with many of the original line-up, including Joni, but it was kind of a bust on many levels. He let his private dinner party go on way too long and as a result had a couple thousand people chain smoking and pacing angrily outside the Wiltern until they let us all in several hours late. Then they made it all political, which got a lot of boos. People had spent a lot for the show and there was not much done to mitigate the rudeness of making those wait who had spent a ton and taken time out on a work night. He hasn't done another one since that I know, but that first benefit was golden. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #229 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------