From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #214 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, May 31 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 214 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni dislikes C&S? [Motitan@aol.com] Re: NJC gas prices [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: njc, Memorial Day thoughts [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: njc, Memorial Day thoughts [jeannie ] Re: njc, Memorial Day thoughts [Em ] Re: NJC gas prices ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Joni dislikes C&S? ["anon anon" ] Re: njc, Memorial Day thoughts [jeannie ] RE: Joni dislikes C&S? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Sufjan on Joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Trip to Mandolin Bros (kind of long) [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: NJC Gas prices [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni dislikes C&S? [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Sufjan on Joni [Motitan@aol.com] Shadows & Light and Misses [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Sufjan on Joni ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Shadows & Light and Misses [Bob Muller ] Re: Shadows & Light and Misses [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Shadows & Light and Misses [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Shadows & Light and Misses ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:59:11 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni dislikes C&S? The other day I was reading an article where it said that Joni has admitted to disliking Court and Spark. Is that true? I haven't read that anywhere else but there and since I don't take everything I read to be gospel truth, I figure I'd ask. I can't imagine Joni not liking any of her work. I can understand her not being happy with some albums or some songs because of the whole perfectionist quality but just not liking it, I wouldn't think. Then again, I don't know. I do know I read somewhere in an interview Joni said she didn't think "Clouds" was an honest album and didn't care for it too much. So how about C&S? - -Monika NP: Life Itself- George Harrison ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:54:47 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC gas prices Lori wrote: > Btw, for the record, when I hear people complaining about paying their > taxes, the first word that comes to my mind is: Republican!! ; ) > Hi Lori, What comes to my mind is "live free or die." Our combined taxes equal more than my whole salary. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:05:42 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Memorial Day thoughts Kate wrote: > My adult memorial day is spent, especially these past few years, in > mourning > knowing these young men & women did not have to die. > Hi Kate, I mourn with you. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: njc, Memorial Day thoughts I, too mourn for these poor kids who joined the service and so soon, just out of childhood, have lost their lives or limbs or brains or their sanity. I mourn for the innocent Iraqi mothers and for their children and husbands who die just because they're Iraqi or Sunni or Shiite and caught up in this horrible war. I mourn for all the innocents of the world who die in the hands of cruel men or women, the same ones who sit up making bombs, bars and peevish, petulant laws and who'd like to slam free choice behind us all. I mourn for this adminstration's perversities who claim they are not to blame for a damn thing...not even the price of gas! Ha!! White-washed claims proven as lies with so many blood stains on the ground. The Father knows of each droplet of innocent blood on the ground shed for no reason other than blood and greed lust and for that He takes revenge in His own just Hands. That's mainly why I mourn because that hell is eternal and that misery just goes round and round in a non-stop circle game of misery over and over and over...oh, say can you see who's on the devil's horses on that decrepit carousel of their own evil eternity? Eternal radiation rose with those Exxon blues going down the dark ladders, round and round and round with no place to go... - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Kate wrote: > > > > My adult memorial day is spent, especially these > past few years, in > > mourning > > knowing these young men & women did not have to > die. > > > > Hi Kate, > > I mourn with you. > > Love, > Laura > > > ************************************** > See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > Dreaming Dreamland, Jeannie jjj . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, Memorial Day thoughts - --- jeannie wrote: > Eternal radiation rose > with those Exxon blues going down the dark ladders, > round and round and round with no place to go... Uh oh, I detect fever in the scum brown bowl..... run away, run away.... em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:10:55 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC gas prices >> Btw, for the record, when I hear people complaining about paying their >> taxes, the first word that comes to my mind is: Republican!! ; ) > What comes to my mind is "live free or die." Our combined taxes equal > more than my whole salary. Laura, I'm not sure I understand the connection. I understand "live free or die" as it pertains to not living under colonial rule. But how does that have anything to do with taxes? Live real good for free? You want to live in the U.S. and not pay anything for the privilege? I know the tax system is out of whack, but something has to pay for streetlights and pavement, police and firefighters, teachers, the little bit of public healthcare offered ... Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:14:52 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: RE: Joni dislikes C&S? >From: Motitan@aol.com >Reply-To: Motitan@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Joni dislikes C&S? >Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:59:11 EDT > >The other day I was reading an article where it said that Joni has >admitted >to disliking Court and Spark. Is that true? that is hard to believe... I have also read her quote about "clouds", which suprised me, but her not liking C&S would be an even bigger suprise, since it seems to me a more mature, accompished effort... _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: njc, Memorial Day thoughts - --- Em wrote: > --- jeannie wrote: > > Eternal radiation rose > > with those Exxon blues going down the dark > ladders, > > round and round and round with no place to go... > > Uh oh, I detect fever in the scum brown bowl..... > run away, run away.... > > > em > Captives of the eternal crap bowl carousel going down, down, down, down... No need to run from the spectacle, though. The stench is within one's self--themselves. Dreaming Dreamland, Jeannie jjj . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:46:44 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Joni dislikes C&S? I certainly don't know, but I'll bet that this concept was taken out of context. Joni typically doesn't want to be identified with whatever she has done in the past but rather what she is working on in the present. I feel like she perceives that everything she's done is building towards what she is actively involved with now. Given that C&S was for a long time her top seller, gave her her only top ten hit and airplay, and that it IS an awesome piece of work after all, it'd be tough to believe that she'd say she dislikes it - unless she's just going for a sensationalistic soundbite which she sometimes is wont to do. Bob NP: Joni, "Michael From Mountains" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:25:48 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Trip to Mandolin Bros (kind of long) Hi, all, I just returned from a visit to the Mandolin Bros. shop in Staten Island, the subject of a recent post from Chuck, addressing Joni's "Song For Sharon" and the line, "I went to Staten Island, Sharon, to buy myself a mandolin." From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: '...to buy myself a mandolin.' an excerpt from Tim Brookes' most excellent book 'Guitar, an American Life'... While [George] Gruhn was getting started in Nashville, Stan Jay, an immensely likable, irrepressibly cheerful guy looking exactly like an elf supervisor in Santa's workshop, was selling instruments out of his apartment on the waterfront in Staten Island. 'You had to walk up a narrow stairway papered in that deep textured wine red that one generally associates with certain houses in New Orleans. One stepped from the landing into our showroom, that anybody else would call their living room. On the left was the dining roomB with the 1920's round oak lion's-claw table About 50 guitars, banjos, andB mandolins hung from three walls. On the outside wall they were positioned over a circa 1900 rococo upholstered couch, on which Joni Mitchell fell in love with the 1915 Gibson K-4 mandocello that inspired her to write that legendary song to her friend, about going to Staten Island 'to buy myself a mandolin.' After exchanging a few emails with Stan Jay, President of Mandolin Bros., and talking with him today, I learned some interesting facts. Regarding Stan selling instruments out of his apartment: Yes, the building that Joni and her photographer, Joel, visited in 1976 is still standing.B One room at the old shop address, 580 Bay St.., 2nd Fl., was where my original partner, Hap Kuffner, lived.B I think this is what you are referring to .B We had rented a four-room space, a one story walk-up. B It had a kitchen, a living room which was the main showroom, a workshop room and, in the fourth room, Hapbs digs.B It was a good place to start a new business. We were there for only 4 years, 5 months.B Joni visited at around the 4 years, 2 months point.B The entrance was the first door on the side of the building on Union Place.B It overlooked Bay Street from the front windows, Union Place from the kitchen.B B When one walked upstairs from the street, the wallpaper had those large velour flowers with the flat spaces between the petals.B For all I know it might still have that wallpaper. Some customers used to whistle bThe House of the Rising Sunb as they came up.B Stephen Stills and Graham Nash came up that stairway, so did Dave Van Ronk. It is across the street from a freestanding Citibank branch and when we occupied that space we were upstairs from a Household Finance office.B Our customers used to kid us that they could visit, walk downstairs to either institution, get a loan and then come back upstairs to make their purchase.B I donbt think, though, that this actually ever happened. Stan's got a great sense of humor. The lower floor of that building is currently being used by a sign company; when I visited, there were workers along side the building welding tubing for frames to mount signs on. The location is about a third of a mile south of the Staten Island ferry terminal, where Joni apparently landed after boarding in lower Manhattan (photos available). There is a train station a block away that people could take from the ferry terminal, if they didn't feel like walking. Since the 9-11 terrorist attacks, and the destruction of the Trade Center, the ferry no longer takes cars on board ("Big boat chuggin' back with a belly full of cars...") but passengers now ride for free (the biggest bargain in New York City)! Well, I guess Joni is the only one who will remember if she actually went there intending to buy a mandolin that day, but she actually bought two items: the Gibson Mandocello (described above), which is a large instrument- the size of a standard guitar- and a 1913 Martin 000-28 Herringbone guitar (to see some photos, go to http://www.kodakgallery.com/AlbumMenu.jsp?UAUTOLOGIN_ID=17110515708 log in is free but you may have to set up an account- or, if you have trouble viewing them there, email me). For those of you who wondered about Joni's wardrobe, Stan showed me photos taken the day she visited and she's in a silver-gray pantsuit and a fedora hat(!). No, really! Stan gave me (and my friend, Bob) a tour of what he calls his "three-cubic acres" of fretted instruments (referring to Uncle Scrooge's money bin, in the old Walt Disney comics). There are a half-dozen rooms filled with guitars, mandolins, banjos and bass's hanging from the walls and on floor racks. Occasionally, Stan- or his friend George Hergen- would take an instrument off the wall or rack and proceed to play a tune for us. They both seemed quite proficient and Stan admits he'll "play out" if someone asks... maybe we should talk him into attending the next JoniFest, eh? I'm sure we could coax some rare stories out of this man. There were several other potential customers throughout the store, inspecting or sitting down to play as the spirit moved them. One fellow from England was asking about the taxes involved in buying here and shipping overseas. There were some beautiful instruments scattered about, all works of art in their own right, but some more spectacular than others. For more info, visit their website at Mandolin Bros. I'll be writing up this story for an upcoming Ken Chronicles but thought I'd post the essentials here now for all of you to read. Kenny B B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices Here's the website, Em: http://www.lapsits.org/ The gist of the program is that I go into a nearby daycare center for low-income families and read to the kids - I have 2 classrooms that I work with, both are 4-year old groups. They are great kids, I don't know who loves who more, but I sure do look forward to Fridays when I go in there and read. I try to implement *interactive* reading and involve them in the books; what's going to happen next, etc. I draw on my theater experience and ham it up, of course, using a bunch of different voices. I know I've done a good job when they ask me to 'read it again'. Last Friday a girl told me that a book was 'too short' which I thought was pretty cool. It comes down to the old "give a man a fish" analogy...if I can turn them on to reading books early on, it can give them a leg up when they start kindegarten. SC has a big literacy problem as you can probably imagine. Truth is, I LOVE reading out loud to kids so my motivations are a little selfish too. I also participated in the making of a video for Lapsits that they're going to use for promotion and fundraising. Maybe they'll put it on the website; if so, I'll let you know. Thanks for asking. I don't feel like I do enough but I try and do what I can. Bob NP: World Party, "And I Fell Back Alone" (haven't heard this one in a while, this is a great record) - --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:43:39 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni dislikes C&S? In a message dated 5/30/2007 3:47:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: and that it IS an awesome piece of work after all, it'd be tough to believe that she'd say she dislikes it - ---------------------------------------- Right, that's what I thought. That's why I came here to the list to ask! After I read that, I thought, "where did Joni say that?" The article didn't actually have "the" quote where she supposedly said that or anything of that nature---just flippantly stated that as fact. - -Mon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:49:47 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Sufjan on Joni Thanks for posting that. It was very interesting to read. I liked how he really tried to "get" into the feeling of the song in order to cover it and dissected it....and tried to relate to everybody. Nice. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:00:34 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Shadows & Light and Misses Well I recently got these two albums from the library. I know I said I would be getting them chronologically but these are only from the library! I haven't bought them! And....."Mingus" is not available at the library. And I figured since I had heard "Hits" I might as well hear "Misses." I was just innocently browsing the library for Joni albums....came across them.....and since day-to-day life is so mundane....I figure this will help in alleviating that (Really, isn't day-to-day life awfully mundane? It's the little things that matter...and honestly I prefer weekends when all my friends are off from work...). I only listened to a little bit of S&L in the car today on the way home from the library. But I made sure to listen to, "Why Do Fools Fall In Love?" since I knew the original version from before. What a fun song! What do you guys think of the "Misses" collection? - -Monika NP: A Marvin Gaye special in the background on the tv ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:02:31 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Sufjan on Joni Cool- I suppose it's already been posted, but there are comments from the other artists on the CD, too, as well as 1 min. clips: http://www.atributetojonimitchell.com/ Joni's songs have always seemed to come from a deep personal well, but on "Magdalene Laundries" she channels the poignant voice of another - a young girl, angry and defiant in the face of her tragic short life. It is an extraordinary tour de force and I'm honored to sing it on this marvelous tribute to one of our greatest, most enduring artists. - - Emmylou Harris emmylou.net - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: Sufjan on Joni > Like it or not, the Sufjan Stevens track on the Tribute CDis definitely > the one generating the most buzz (followed closely by the Bjork cover). > > Sufjan has posted in detail about Joni and the recording on his label's > website. Even if you're not a sufjan fan I think you'll enjoy reading what > he has to say: > > http://asthmatickitty.com/sidebar.php?sidebarID=209 > > Bob > > NP: Amy Correia, "Love Is" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:12:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Shadows & Light and Misses I guess I shouldn't comment, since I don't have it per se, but I do have all of the recordings. I think it's pretty superfluous. It only exists because Joni made a deal that if they were going to kill off her back catalogue by releasing a "Hits" than she insisted that they issue a "Misses" as well. Of course, the two were sold separately so there was no incentive to buy the latter. It was the first in what would become a long line of worthless compilations that serve no purpose other than to thin out the quality of her discography. And she referred to the two as her boxset when it would have been much cooler to issue a collection of rarities and unreleased material and call THAT a boxset. Now, Shadows & Light...totally different story. That one is nuthin' but awesome. Bob NP: Elvis C, "Stalin Malone" - --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:27:00 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Shadows & Light and Misses And she referred to the two as her boxset when it would have been much cooler to issue a collection of rarities and unreleased material and call THAT a boxset. - --------------------------------------- Now that would be something! It seems everyone else is capitalizing and releasing boxsets (I use the word "capitalizing" because some of them are just simply lame and/or a rip-off though the goods are out there as well!). Why not Joni? I'm sure she's got a load of things she's recorded live, in her studio, etc etc. Why not release some? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:45:36 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Shadows & Light and Misses Why indeed! Why, why, why?....well, for the time being we have an album of new material very soon. I had read that Joel Bernstein was going to work on a Joni boxset after he finished Neil Young's mammoth project, which, I think, is completed. So there is still hope in our lifetime. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Yes, indeed we do have the new album coming out! Of course I wouldn't want time taken out of that! I'm just saying...in the future....sometime....somewhere....over the rainbow? Anyway, Neil's boxset is going to be crazy! - -Monika Hope is man's best friend. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:42:31 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Shadows & Light and Misses > releasing boxsets > Why not Joni? I'm sure she's got a load of things she's recorded live, > in her > studio, etc etc. Why not release some? > -Monika Why indeed! Why, why, why?....well, for the time being we have an album of new material very soon. I had read that Joel Bernstein was going to work on a Joni boxset after he finished Neil Young's mammoth project, which, I think, is completed. So there is still hope in our lifetime. RR ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #214 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------