From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #211 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 29 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 211 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- gas prices, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: NJC Gas prices [Em ] Re: Jazz vocalists hear & now cd? [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Gas prices [Em ] njc, Gas Prices ["Patti Parlette" ] Joni's 1965 Performance Born to take the Highway [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Joni Hates - a lack of creative integrity? NJC [Kerry love, love, love ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Joni Hates - a lack of creative integrity? NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE : Away From Her - NJC, and you know..... [Joseph Palis ] Re: NJC Gas prices ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Away From Her - NJC, and you know..... ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: NJC Gas prices [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Gas prices [Em ] Re: NJC Gas prices [Motitan@aol.com] Re: NJC Gas prices ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC Gas prices ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC Gas prices ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC Gas prices [Motitan@aol.com] Record Labels - are they a thing of the past? - NJC ["Cassy" ] Re: NJC Gas prices ["Lori Fye" ] (NJC) One Minute Each Night... ["Lori Fye" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:29:53 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: gas prices, njc >http://tinyurl.com/y7lftb >I used it just yesterday and it works great. No gas, no fumes, no oil, quiet - what's not to like? >(Of course the REAL reason I got it was so that Marianne would be impressed with me.) been impressed since day 1 XO _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 04:49:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices - --- Lori Fye wrote:> Again, the U.S. has NOTHING to complain about. Personally, I hope > gas hits > $10 ... and that the military draft kicks in. 'Cause those things > would > finally get some attention. oooooh, Lori wants the sh_t to hit the fan! Could be fun! Hope there's good music! :) Em Stand, don't you know that you are free?well at least in your mind, if you want to be......Sly Free your mind and the rest will follow....En Vogue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 05:23:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Jazz vocalists hear & now cd? That one comes from her 2000 release "Both Sides Now". Bob NP: Dntel, "Rock My Boat" - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 06:45:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices - --- Lori Fye wrote: > it's way past time for everyone > else > who enjoys their everyday freedoms to ante up and make a sacrifice, > too. Or > else get off the goddamn sofa and get in the streets, write your > representatives and senators, and fight to get this stopped. I could see some kind of national service (not necc. military) being required of young people - they way they have it (or had it) in Europe and maybe other places. Might be an excellent reality check. Might have been good for me, way back when, for instance. For instance a young person could work as an EMS assistant, or work with Habitat for Humanity, or work as classroom aids in schools. I would consider voting for something like that. But not for forced military service. What I keep in mind, is that more people would volunteer to fight if it seemed, let see, how can I put this... necessary and important? I guess at this point someone like myself should volunteer at the VA to empty bedpans or something...and yet I don't. But I don't think forced military service is a good thing. I do wonder what would happen if they tried that. Would be alot of angry, twisted people. Not to mention worried. I mean during peace time it would be an irritation, maybe, but during a war many don't believe in....can't see it happening these days. re: gas... I'd personally rather see gas rationed, on a per person basis, than see gas consumption go down due to price. I think it would be more fair. Of course the best thing would be if everyone were totally pure of heart and would simply back off driving "for the cause". hahahahahhahhhhh, like Bob mentioned, only my words this time: Bubba ain't gonna give up Bigfoot. For me its not a conscious decision, but burning fossil fuel for fun (riding my motorcycle on weekends, just for the sake of riding) now leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and so I don't do it nearly as often. You might say, but Em, motorcycles hardly use any gas. But! the rides are often very long...3-400 mile weekends being not uncommon. So it does burn gas, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth for sure. Like I'm being like George W. Bush and doing something I know that's wrong, just cuz I want to and can on some level justify it. I wonder what it must feel like to have a kid. You'd have to believe in the future. Where I'm at now is I've got 40 or so more years to do, and then I'm outta here. Trying to step lightly and vote the right way for other peoples' kids. Em Stand, don't you know that you are free?well at least in your mind, if you want to be......Sly Free your mind and the rest will follow....En Vogue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:47:14 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Gas Prices Bob Muller wrote about his new lawnmower: "I used it just yesterday and it works great. No gas, no fumes, no oil, quiet - what's not to like? Sounds perfect. But the big question: does it stop the hissing?" (Of course the REAL reason I got it was so that Marianne would be impressed with me.) Yes, but she'd be even more impressed if it were purple! (You know her....she's like a rainbow.) Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 09:08:33 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni's 1965 Performance Born to take the Highway Check out Joni Anderson. Wow! http://culturalsnafu.wordpress.com/2007/05/27/csnafu-review-week16/ Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerry Subject: Re: Joni Hates - a lack of creative integrity? NJC His name is Paolo Nutini and he's Scottish (despite what you might assume from his name)! The album is fun! Kerry Monika wrote: P.S. As for something newer today....I saw a young, 21 year old Scottish performer (with his backing band) on the Today show a couple of months ago who sounded pretty good. His song is also on a commercial. The chorus is something about him putting on his new shoes and everything was better that day. Anyone know who I am talking about? His music, I would consider, to be light rock. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:15:12 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: hate, hate, hate ===> love, love, love All you need is love. - - -Monika (All together now) (Everybody) It's easy. pp NPIMH: my favorite Beatle's song _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:37:31 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: new Jesse Malin Video with Bruce njc Some may remember Jesse from the Joni tribute at Carnegie Hall Broken Radio _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmBCrBJokA_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmBCrBJokA) enjoy! rosie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:34:05 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, a female dear... I mean artist Marion wrote: > As long > as we keep talking as if male is "more", "better" etc than female, as long > as we accept man as the norm for human beings (as opposed to woman), being > called female will be diminishing. > Hi Marion, This is interesting considering the basic human phenotype, with only one sex chromosome, is female... so it could be said the norm for human beings is female and that male is added onto the basic female structure. Sometimes speaking of something as greater is an attempt to overcome that it is actually thought of as lesser. The role of the female bearing the offspring might be more fuel to the fire man. In my opinion, it is just linguistics which don't mean much without interpretation which comes out of one's culturization. The meanings of our words change. Perhaps what bothered Joni is that when gender is attached to artist, male or female, it might be limiting rather than diminishing... one side rather than both. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:36:39 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Purple wrote: > This is the body > I inhabit > > this is my > consciousness > > this is the world > through my eyes > > > Circle ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:37:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices - --- Em wrote: >But I don't think forced military service is a good > thing. > I do wonder what would happen if they tried that. > Would be alot of angry, twisted people. Not to > mention worried. I mean > during peace time it would be an irritation, maybe, > but during a war > many don't believe in....can't see it happening > these days. I read what Lori was saying as, maybe if the US gov't initiated a draft, then that would be enough to make more people say, "Hell no, we won't go" and put enough pressure on the maniacs that are in power in your country to stop the war. Oh... gas prices. I don't own a car anymore, although I just joined AutoShare and can rent one by the hour when I need to (or just want to). I think that they are at or over $1.00 a litre. Am not sure how litres compare to US gallons, which are not the same as the British/Imperial gallon that we used to use here (why are they different?) but I think it's probably about $4.00 a gallon, which is considerably more than what you pay in the US but considerably less than what they pay in Europe and elsewhere. The US still has most likely the cheapest gas prices (maybe it's cheaper in Saudi Arabia?) and I think it will take quite a bit to make people give up their SUVs. The US, and to a lesser extent, Canada, built its cities to accommodate the car and it will take a lot to turn that around. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:38:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Hates - a lack of creative integrity? NJC - --- Kerry wrote: > His name is Paolo Nutini and he's Scottish (despite > what you might assume from his name)! The album is > fun! > > Kerry > I saw him on MTV Canada not long ago - he is also extremely CUTE~! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:41:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Purple wrote: > > > > This is the body > > I inhabit > > > > this is my > > consciousness > > > > this is the world > > through my eyes > > > > Hazy. Purple hazy. Heh-heh. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:54:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Away From Her - NJC, and you know..... Hi Patti ~ Thanks for the wonderful email and for making me smile. That "Joni goes to UNC" is such a blast! I wish! I hope Mariyln Nelson's son is enjoying his comp lit studies at UNC. I know some professors from that department because of the film series that we put together every year so if Marilyn's son is into films, he is in for a bigger treat! Thanks for the link about that poet's retreat. I sorta imagined this as some sort of Illyria like what novelist Alison Lurie said in "Real People". And also the films mentioned in the link you provided are very interesting. Looks like a gay and lesbian film festival usually never gets as much press from, well, the press when so many wonderful films emerge from it. Reading through the link you sent already made me copy the titled of films I should be reserving/borrowing. One last film endorsement for you Patti. As a Francophile in the List you will probably understand the mumbled French uttered in Philip Groning's "Into Great Silence" which is a docu about monks in a specific place in France. There were subtitles but I am sure subtitles sometimes simplify the meanings of sentences for the audience who wants to get the idea behind the words, but I feel that there are some nuances that are left out. Not sure if this type of movie appeals to you but it is spiritually uplifting. Close to three hours with minimal dialogues. Okay, enough for me now. Happy Memorial Day to people who celebrate it! Joseph in Chapel Hill np: John Fogerty - Hot Rod Heart Patti Parlette a icrit : Joseph (NPIMH: "Whenever I see your smiling face I have to smile myself, because I love you, yes I do...") wrote: "Wondering if some of you JoniAmigos saw this film called "Away From Her" that marked the directing debut of this astoundingly talented Canadian actress Sarah Polley. No spoilers here by the way. The Canadian snowscapes are just wonderful. Not too postcard-like pretty but just as haunting. There was a scene of Julie Christie (brilliant brilliant actress with the most evocative of eyes) walking in the snow and I thought of Joni in her famous photos in "Hejira" and "Songs of a Prairie Girl". It makes me want to skate away home (but I don't even know how to skate, much less rollerblade). Neil Young and k.d. lang were both featured in song. Nice touch. " Merci beaucoup! I've read reviews on this, all excellent, and now that we have your learned recommendation, and the love of Neil Young and k.d. lang sucking us in, I'm there! My dad saw Julie Christie on a plane once and was really taken with her. He talked about her beautiful eyes. I guess she was looking like a mooo--ooooo-ooovie queen! And now that I have you, Joseph, on my heart and mind, may I share a little story? (Love is a story told, n'est-ce pas?) I was thinking of you Wednesday at the anti-war demonstration. (I hope you can follow my long-let-the-wind-carry-me Jonidiomatic logic here....it WILL get down to you, I promise!) Amid a thousand people in the streets, I spotted someone I have always wanted to meet. She was standing on a noisy corner. (Really!) Her name is Marilyn Nelson and she was Connecticut's poet laureate for a few years. She also gave the commencement speech at my son's h.s. graduation. She and I often caught each other's eyes as we shook our heads in disgust at the counterprotesters across the street. (Pigs, they were.) I finally overcame my shyness and went over to her, maybe to put on some kind of harmony. "Are you Marilyn Nelson?" "Yes", she smiled. We shook hands and I tried to be fifty-fifty fire and ice but I started blathering: "It's so nice to meet you! My name is Patti Parlette and you spoke at my son's graduation in 2002. I just want you to know how much we all enjoyed and appreciated your speech. It was really wonderful!" MN: "Why, thank you! What is your son doing now?" (She's a kind person, not a cold person.) She listened attentatively as I tried to give her the short version: how he almost joined the military when the war started, and all we went through, and how he is now thankfully working with kids to "make a difference in their lives" and is going to grad school soon. She "got it" and heaved a sigh of relief with me. She then introduced me to HER son who went to the same school as my Michael, but years apart. He told me he's studying comparative literature, and I said: "Wow. I work in comp lit at UConn." (Marilyn is an English professor there, too.) "Are you at UConn?" "No, UNC." "UNC at Chapel Hill?" "Yes." (Uh oh! Put a quarter in the Wurlitzer and push my Joni buttons): "I have a friend at UNC. He's, ummm......do you know Joni Mitchell?" Marilyn, looking a little confused (understandably!): "Joni Mitchell goes to UNC?" Me, laughing it all away: "Oh, no no no. No, I have a friend I met on this discussion list, the Joni Mitchell Discussion List....it's a community of wonderful people from all over the world who discuss her music and art and everything and....oh, pardon me, I'm kind of a Joni Mitchell nut." Marilyn, smiling kindly: "Yes. I can see that!" (LOL....she was probably thinking to herself the subject line of this post: get me "Away From Her!") We then went on to talk about UConn, and what she is doing now. She told me she opened a writer's retreat in East Haddam. It sounds wonderful -- like a Full Moon Resort/Jonifest for poets (TIC! In some office sits a poet And he trembles as he sings And he asks some guy To circulate his soul around...") Richard and AJ, maybe you know of Marilyn? Anyway, here is her place, for anyone who may be interested: http://www.soulmountainretreat.com/index.html She has such an aura of serenity about here. I really enjoyed meeting her. A rich exchange. Love & peace, Patti P. P.S. As a parting gift (TIC! "...the gift goes on..."), here is an article, "From Pathos to Comedy at Gay and Lesbian Film Festival", on the film series happening this week at Trinity College. Just giving out somethin' for you to grow and feed on! http://www.courant.com/entertainment/movies/hc-prodnotes0527.artmay27,0,6120490.story _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > I read what Lori was saying as, maybe if the US gov't > initiated a draft, then that would be enough to make > more people say, "Hell no, we won't go" and put enough > pressure on the maniacs that are in power in your > country to stop the war. yeah, I heard that part too. I'd like to see it happen. I don't think it would. Would LOVE to see it. But its too risky. What if it just generated more flag waving? > but I think it's probably about > $4.00 a gallon, which is considerably more than what > you pay in the US but considerably less than what they > pay in Europe and elsewhere. The US still has most > likely the cheapest gas prices (maybe it's cheaper in > Saudi Arabia?) and I think it will take quite a bit to > make people give up their SUVs. The US, and to a > lesser extent, Canada, built its cities to accommodate > the car and it will take a lot to turn that around. yeah.... will be interesting to see what happens. That last sentence is very very very true. Bugs me because our city USED to have a street car line! but it was torn out in the gas-flush 50's. pffftttt..... Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:30:54 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices > I read what Lori was saying as, maybe if the US gov't > initiated a draft, then that would be enough to make > more people say, "Hell no, we won't go" and put enough > pressure on the maniacs that are in power in your > country to stop the war. This is what I meant initially, Catherine. Then I thought about it some more, and I watched "60 Minutes" on Sunday night -- the show was about a National Guard unit in Iowa that has lots of relatives in it, and most of those soldiers were eager to go to Iraq and do what they felt was their duty, only to have their tour extended. And it just pissed me off to think about that fact that most everyone else is so unaffected by the war. They just go on about their days, tuned out with their iPods crammed in their ears (can I tell y'all? I hate seeing those things nearly as much as I despise seeing people constantly on their cell phones), driving their vehicles around without much of a care except how much it might cost them at the gas pump. NO ONE REALLY CARES because it doesn't affect them personally. And it's just not right. Btw, Em, I agree with you about some sort of service being required. Doesn't have to be military, imo. But SOMETHING should be required, and for a long enough time to make a dent in person's psyche. I'm not usually a big flag waver, but we really are lucky to have the freedoms we have, and I honestly believe that EVERYONE (in whatever free country you live) should have to contribute in some way to maintaining those freedoms. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:00:53 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Away From Her - NJC, and you know..... I do know Marilyn. A great poet, indeed. And, as you say, a warm person. I have served for the last three years as a judge for "The Lion and the Unicorn Award for Excellence in North American Poetry." Part of the duties involve co-writing a substantia essay on the winner, the honor books and the year's work in poetry for young people. Marilyn won the first award in 2005 for "Fortune's Bones." (I'll send you a copy as an attachment separately, Patti.) Nelson writes for both young people and adults. Prior to the award, I had heard her give readings. But after the award ceremony in Boston, we went out with her for a very pleasant dinner. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Palis Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:55 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE : Away From Her - NJC, and you know..... Hi Patti ~ Thanks for the wonderful email and for making me smile. That "Joni goes to UNC" is such a blast! I wish! I hope Mariyln Nelson's son is enjoying his comp lit studies at UNC. I know some professors from that department because of the film series that we put together every year so if Marilyn's son is into films, he is in for a bigger treat! Thanks for the link about that poet's retreat. I sorta imagined this as some sort of Illyria like what novelist Alison Lurie said in "Real People". And also the films mentioned in the link you provided are very interesting. Looks like a gay and lesbian film festival usually never gets as much press from, well, the press when so many wonderful films emerge from it. Reading through the link you sent already made me copy the titled of films I should be reserving/borrowing. One last film endorsement for you Patti. As a Francophile in the List you will probably understand the mumbled French uttered in Philip Groning's "Into Great Silence" which is a docu about monks in a specific place in France. There were subtitles but I am sure subtitles sometimes simplify the meanings of sentences for the audience who wants to get the idea behind the words, but I feel that there are some nuances that are left out. Not sure if this type of movie appeals to you but it is spiritually uplifting. Close to three hours with minimal dialogues. Okay, enough for me now. Happy Memorial Day to people who celebrate it! Joseph in Chapel Hill np: John Fogerty - Hot Rod Heart Patti Parlette a icrit : Joseph (NPIMH: "Whenever I see your smiling face I have to smile myself, because I love you, yes I do...") wrote: "Wondering if some of you JoniAmigos saw this film called "Away From Her" that marked the directing debut of this astoundingly talented Canadian actress Sarah Polley. No spoilers here by the way. The Canadian snowscapes are just wonderful. Not too postcard-like pretty but just as haunting. There was a scene of Julie Christie (brilliant brilliant actress with the most evocative of eyes) walking in the snow and I thought of Joni in her famous photos in "Hejira" and "Songs of a Prairie Girl". It makes me want to skate away home (but I don't even know how to skate, much less rollerblade). Neil Young and k.d. lang were both featured in song. Nice touch. " Merci beaucoup! I've read reviews on this, all excellent, and now that we have your learned recommendation, and the love of Neil Young and k.d. lang sucking us in, I'm there! My dad saw Julie Christie on a plane once and was really taken with her. He talked about her beautiful eyes. I guess she was looking like a mooo--ooooo-ooovie queen! And now that I have you, Joseph, on my heart and mind, may I share a little story? (Love is a story told, n'est-ce pas?) I was thinking of you Wednesday at the anti-war demonstration. (I hope you can follow my long-let-the-wind-carry-me Jonidiomatic logic here....it WILL get down to you, I promise!) Amid a thousand people in the streets, I spotted someone I have always wanted to meet. She was standing on a noisy corner. (Really!) Her name is Marilyn Nelson and she was Connecticut's poet laureate for a few years. She also gave the commencement speech at my son's h.s. graduation. She and I often caught each other's eyes as we shook our heads in disgust at the counterprotesters across the street. (Pigs, they were.) I finally overcame my shyness and went over to her, maybe to put on some kind of harmony. "Are you Marilyn Nelson?" "Yes", she smiled. We shook hands and I tried to be fifty-fifty fire and ice but I started blathering: "It's so nice to meet you! My name is Patti Parlette and you spoke at my son's graduation in 2002. I just want you to know how much we all enjoyed and appreciated your speech. It was really wonderful!" MN: "Why, thank you! What is your son doing now?" (She's a kind person, not a cold person.) She listened attentatively as I tried to give her the short version: how he almost joined the military when the war started, and all we went through, and how he is now thankfully working with kids to "make a difference in their lives" and is going to grad school soon. She "got it" and heaved a sigh of relief with me. She then introduced me to HER son who went to the same school as my Michael, but years apart. He told me he's studying comparative literature, and I said: "Wow. I work in comp lit at UConn." (Marilyn is an English professor there, too.) "Are you at UConn?" "No, UNC." "UNC at Chapel Hill?" "Yes." (Uh oh! Put a quarter in the Wurlitzer and push my Joni buttons): "I have a friend at UNC. He's, ummm......do you know Joni Mitchell?" Marilyn, looking a little confused (understandably!): "Joni Mitchell goes to UNC?" Me, laughing it all away: "Oh, no no no. No, I have a friend I met on this discussion list, the Joni Mitchell Discussion List....it's a community of wonderful people from all over the world who discuss her music and art and everything and....oh, pardon me, I'm kind of a Joni Mitchell nut." Marilyn, smiling kindly: "Yes. I can see that!" (LOL....she was probably thinking to herself the subject line of this post: get me "Away From Her!") We then went on to talk about UConn, and what she is doing now. She told me she opened a writer's retreat in East Haddam. It sounds wonderful -- like a Full Moon Resort/Jonifest for poets (TIC! In some office sits a poet And he trembles as he sings And he asks some guy To circulate his soul around...") Richard and AJ, maybe you know of Marilyn? Anyway, here is her place, for anyone who may be interested: http://www.soulmountainretreat.com/index.html She has such an aura of serenity about here. I really enjoyed meeting her. A rich exchange. Love & peace, Patti P. P.S. As a parting gift (TIC! "...the gift goes on..."), here is an article, "From Pathos to Comedy at Gay and Lesbian Film Festival", on the film series happening this week at Trinity College. Just giving out somethin' for you to grow and feed on! http://www.courant.com/entertainment/movies/hc-prodnotes0527.artmay27,0,6120 490.story _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:56:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices Well, first of all, our invasion and occupation in Iraq doesn't have anything to do with our 'freedom' - it's just a big crock of bullshit and a chance for a bunch of folks to make a bunch of money. If they were to initiate a draft, I'd be looking for one of you folks outside of the USA to take in my son for awhile. I feel absolutely no obligation to shove him into the military meatgrinder. As for contribution, ALL of us who work and pay taxes in this country ARE already making a contribution to the military - furthermore, I would submit that the volunteer work I do with literacy and hunger here in my own community does a lot more good than playing Rambo Traffic Cop in someone else's civil war. Bob NP: The Platters, "The Great Pretender" - --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices <(maybe it's cheaper in Saudi Arabia?)> I believe that the cheapest is in Venezuela at about 0.35/gallon. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Dead and Lovely" - --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices - --- Bob Muller wrote: > furthermore, I would submit that the volunteer work I do with > literacy and hunger here in my own community does a lot more good > than playing Rambo Traffic Cop in someone else's civil war. I would agree! that rocks so hard, Bob. Someday, I'd like to hear about it - what you do. You GO. Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:37:56 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices Well, first of all, our invasion and occupation in Iraq doesn't have anything to do with our 'freedom' - it's just a big crock of bullshit and a chance for a bunch of folks to make a bunch of money - ------------------------------------------ Good! Someone else sees this. Just today I heard a radio DJ talking about how we all need to support the troops (which I do, I feel for them) because they are out there fighting for our freedoms like freedom of speech. He then transitioned into playing a song by saying, "let's express another freedom and play what we want, here's ________ (whatever he played)." Iraq has nothing to do with our freedom. America has more freedom than what it knows what to do with it. It has to do with what America sees fit for Iraq and THEIR freedoms/America's view of "democracy" for them. I don't think Iraq is getting any better or safer as a country.......in fact it seems the longer the US is there, the more trouble it causes. How many lives have we lost now? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:41:29 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices > As for contribution, ALL of us who work and pay taxes in this country ARE already making > a contribution to the military - furthermore, I would submit that the volunteer work I do with > literacy and hunger here in my own community does a lot more good than playing Rambo > Traffic Cop in someone else's civil war. I get what you're saying, Bob. I'm not sure I agree that paying taxes is much of a contribution compared with actually serving in the military, but I can understand how you feel as you do. However, it still irritates me that most of us -- at least those of us *here* on this list and anyone who can similarly afford spare time to participate in conversations like these -- have it so comparatively easy, and "our" kids have it easier still. And, as far as I'm concerned, we (all of us, here, there and everywhere) have allowed this war to happen and allow it continue. Perhaps not directly, but certainly indirectly by not doing something more to stop it. So we all play a part, and my real complaint is that too much of the burden has been placed on so few. Also, while I agree to some extent that some in the military are playing Rambo Traffic Cop, not all are ... If nothing else, if you're not doing it already, at least think about what's going on over there everyday. Just think about it. Everyday. It's a start. Maybe thinking about it everyday will make us all sick enough ... Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:46:40 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices > Iraq has nothing to do with our freedom. America has more freedom > than what it knows what to do with it. Yes, and yes. That's precisely the point. We have so much freedom that we take it all for granted now, and no one pays anything for having it, for perserving it ... except the very few who volunteered ... and, contrary to what the media wants us to believe, they didn't all sign up because of a sudden surge of patriotism after 9/11. They were POOR, it's always the poor who end up dying for the rich -- and that includes you and me. I know Iraq, in and of itself, has nothing to do with our freedom. But what are we going to do now? Walk away? I wish it were that easy. Unfortunately, we made the mess, and now we have to clean it up too. WE made the mess. Not just the volunteer military. ALL of us. But here we sit, doing nothing exceptn bitchin' about the "high" price of gas. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:47:07 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices and that should have been, "for preserving it" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:58:19 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices I know Iraq, in and of itself, has nothing to do with our freedom. But what are we going to do now? Walk away? I wish it were that easy. Unfortunately, we made the mess, and now we have to clean it up too. - -------------------------------------------------------- Obviously we can't just walk away though we shouldn't have been there in the first place. But there's no need to groan about that now. What can be done by the average Joe about this war? I don't think any one person can do anything but if there was a majority...who stood up.....the right people might listen. I went to a protest against this war when it started...signed a couple of petitions and Lord knows I didn't vote for George Bush. I just hope whoever the next President is (Hillary Clinton?) knows what he/she is doing, can accept responsibility and deal with it. These things unfortunately take time and you are right. People do take our freedom for granted. Why do they/we do this? They/we don't know any other way. We've always had freedom and the luxury of living how we do. It's something that most people just assume is theirs from the start though....as you know, other countries know that is not true. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:09:17 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Record Labels - are they a thing of the past? - NJC Here's a CBS News report on the band Clap Your Hands that has bypassed the record companies! A new day in the music business. Perhaps this is the way Joni's new record will be handled. Cassy (CBS) When the band Clap Your Hands Say Yeah packaged and shipped its new CD, called "Some Loud Thunder," they released it without a record label. And this was after their first self-financed album had sold more than 200,000 copies, prompting plenty of offers from the big labels, which they turned down. When asked why, Sean Greenhalgh, the band's drummer, told CBS News correspondent Anthony Mason, "The question that we asked record companies was essentially, 'What can you do for us that we can't do for ourselves?'" Billboard magazine made the band the poster boys of a "do-it-yourself revolution." Even million-selling artists like Jewel are considering going it alone. Garth Brooks did; so will The Eagles with their next album. One big reason: The Internet is now doing much of the promotion & distribution work, as fans themselves spread the word and the music. "Now you have blogs, other places where people go - that's how the publicity happens now," said Greenhalgh. So band members hired their own manufacturer, distributor and marketing company, and instead of the $1 an album they'd typically make from a record company, they'll get about $6 for every copy they sell. Jeff Tweedy is lead singer of the Grammy-winning band Wilco, whose new album, "Sky Blue Sky," comes next week on the Nonesuch label. But he wonders how long labels will be important. "Technology has evened the playing field. If the artist can gain more power over the situation - over the economics of the situation - why wouldn't they take it?" Like many artists, Tweedy admits asking himself the question: Do record labels deserves that big a cut? And his answer? "It's getting to be a really tough call" - because the record companies aren't moving albums the way they used to. CD sales plummeted 20 percent the first three months of this year. Empty shelves are all you'll find now at Tower Records, which until December was one of the most famous music store chains in the country. But it's now out of business, bankrupt - the abandoned display cases another unsettling sign of an industry in turmoil. As the industry tries to figure out where the business is going, bands like Clap Your Hands believe they're better off going it alone. "It was definitely a calculated risk," said Greenlagh, "but we felt like we had everything in place to do it ourselves." It's not necessarily their music that's revolutionary - it's their business model. If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 03:16:12 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Memorial Day thoughts Warning: political content (although really, as my friend of spirit Cindy told me, "It's not about politics. It's about life and death." A mother should know. A mother who has had to face death and birth and death and birth.) It seems like many dim years ago since I saw her face to face, but tonight I can *feel* her here. Roaring like forest fire in a recent letter to Congress, she wrote, in part: "Then, when your worst fears are realized, you begin a life of constant pain, regret, and longing. Everyday is hard, but then you come up on "special" days like upcoming Memorial Day. Memorial Day holds double pain for me because, not only are we supposed to honor our fallen troops, but Casey was born on Memorial Day in 1979. It used to be a day of celebration for us and now it is a day of despair. Our needlessly killed soldiers of this war and the past conflict in Vietnam have all left an unnecessary trail of sorrow and deep holes of absence that will never be filled." I send up my prayers for all those who mourn today. Yes, support the troops. Bring them home! I liked something I read in the paper yesterday: "I know I speak for many of my friends overseas when I say that the best way to honor the troops is to responsibly end our involvement in Iraq's civil war." -- Elliot Anderson, Marine Corps reservist who served a seven-month tour in Afghanistan That was in the Democrats' weekly radio address...a response to Dick ("Go F@#K Yourself") Cheney's warmongering commencement speech at West Point last week. (I think the only two places he gave speeches were West Point and BYU. No good reception for him anywhere else.) My son's best friend just came home from Afghanistan. He is having a hard time adjusting. He was in a living hell, and now he is just plopped back in bucolic Mansfield with no transition counseling. He says he will NOT go back. I will be there for him. Finally, I share this. My best friend in 6th grade sent it to me a few days ago (she has a son in the Army), and this morning I heard on CNN that it has had over 8 millions hits on YouTube. I hope it doesn't offend anyone (I *think* I'm just singing soprano in the upstairs choir here, but you never know), and I apologize for the tears you will shed. My only channelled aspiration is to bring 'em home. Bring 'em home. http://www.youtube.com/v/ervaMPt4Ha0&autoplay=1 I gently encourage you all to call your Congress people, and do every little thing you can to end this war without end. "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." (Confucius?) I find that one-on-one interactions can be the best. I always wear my "Pro-Soldier, Pro-Peace" pin (dear Sherelle and Kate, are you wearing yours?), and it often inspires conversation and discussion. It is hard to argue with. When I flew across country recently, the ticket agent smiled and gave me one of her peace pins, and people stopped me in the airport to talk. The flight attendent even stopped in her busy tracks and said: "Wow. I like your pin!" and other passengers turned to look and we all started talking. They come for conversation....comfort and consultation. Life is our cause! Thank you for the bandwith and for listening. Love & Peace, Patti P., tearfully remembering the last time I saw Richard -- my Dad -- when I kissed his flag-draped casket on February 14th, 2006. Rest in peace, oh mein Papa, and Semper Fi. You, too, Richard Rizzo. NPIMH: Taps Day is done, gone the sun, from the lakes from the hills from the sky, all is well, safely, rest, God is near. Fading light, Dims the sight, And a star gems the sky Gleaming bright, From afar, Drawing, near, Falls the night. Thanks and praise, For our days, Neath the sun Neath the stars Neath the sky, As we go, This, we, know, God is near. PEACE _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:51:29 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices > People do take our freedom for granted. Why do they/we do this? They/we don't know any other way. Why do they/we do this? Because we're overfed, isolated, unappreciative, lazy slobs. We're supposedly such a smart bunch, but we don't know any other way? That's friggin' sad. I've been thinking that I'll create some new bumperstickers: "I support the troops, but only with these words." "I support the troops, but I'm not willing to make any sort of sacrifice." "I support the troops with my taxes -- isn't that enough?" "I support the troops, but don't take away my iPod!" (or my SUV, or whatever ...) "I'm proud to be an American, but this isn't my war." (Ha. That's not how the rest of the world sees it -- or Americans.) Again, my comments aren't meant to be personal to anyone. But some points have been raised, and, peppered with my own petty annoyances, the above statements are what I'm "hearing" right now. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:39:09 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) One Minute Each Night... I'm not a religious person, but I do believe in the power of collective thought (or prayer, if you choose to call it that). In the spirit of peace, I offer this, which came to me from elsewhere. I've modified it only slightly to include ALL people (rather than just Americans), as well as a comment about other time zones. *Subject:* One Minute Each Night... During WWII, there was an advisor to Churchill who organized a group of people who dropped what they were doing every night at a prescribed hour for one minute to collectively pray for the safety of England, its people, and peace. This had an amazing effect, as bombing stopped. There is now a group of people organizing the same thing in America. If you would like to participate: Each evening at 9:00 PM Eastern Time, 8:00 PM Central, 7:00 PM Mountain, 6:00 PM Pacific, stop whatever you are doing and spend one minute praying for the safety of all troops, all citizens, and for peace in the world. (I guess this would be 1 AM Greenwich Mean Time, 2 AM British Summer Time so if you happen to be awake ...) If you know anyone who would like to participate, please pass this along. Someone said that if people really understood the full extent of the power we have available through prayer, we might be speechless. Our prayers are the most powerful asset we have. Thank You. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #211 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------