From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #207 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 25 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 207 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SV: Have you seen this? ["Marion Leffler" ] Blue ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Bob Dylan - njc [Em ] Re: Have you seen this? [Em ] Re: Have you seen this? [Em ] Re: SV: Have you seen this? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Blue [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Have you seen this? [Bob Muller ] Re: SV: Have you seen this? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Have you seen this? [Catherine McKay ] SV: SV: Have you seen this? ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Have you seen this? [Michael Flaherty ] Tribute Review [Bob Muller ] Re: Tribute Review now kinda njc [Em ] Re: Have you seen this? [Smurf ] Re: Have you seen this? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Have you seen this? [Motitan@aol.com] Lukewarm songs? [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Lukewarm songs? [Jerry Notaro ] Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' - now NJC [Robert Pr] Rolling Stone Cover Reproduction of Joni [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Have you seen this? ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Have you seen this? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Have you seen this? now Smurfinator - njc [Catherine McKay ] Fairport Convention's Joni covers ["Jim Kauffman" ] Cambridge in May njc & Smurf's foot ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Have you seen this? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Have you seen this? [Deb Messling ] Re: Cambridge in May njc & Smurf's foot [Catherine McKay ] Re: Lord Jim's - now njc and no Joni B.C. content [Catherine McKay Subject: SV: Have you seen this? Let's hope Joni hasn't seen it! (Although I must admit that somewhere underneath all that crappy language and insulting descriptions I found it just a little bit funny - a tiny little bit, please don't hit me - because I thought of the Rolling Stone article way back then and imagined that this could be a parody of that article as well. I mean, it's so grosse nobody will take it seriously - except maybe Joni herself. And then she might stop recording and walk out in anger again. Marion in Sweden - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr jeannie Skickat: den 25 maj 2007 07:50 Till: Motitan@aol.com Kopia: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Have you seen this? Hi Monika, I hadn't seen it before. The parody is so damned tacky that it's embarrassing to me. What was Belushi thinking? jeannie - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I was at the library today doing some research for > something on the computer > when I got done early so I decided to check out > YouTube. I had seen this > before last time I went but had not watched it: > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY_ > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY) > This is a National Lampoon's thing. It's a Joni > Mitchell parody and I must > say it's not funny. Now I can handle parody as long > as there's something to > it. If it's smart and funny I'll laugh along. I've > seen good things be > parodied before, take for example the Spinal Tap > film. Sure, they are poking fun > at metal but also at musicians in general. That is > done well! One of my > favorite movies if I do say so. But that was not > funny. Just dumb, bottom of > the barrel humor. > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 01:05:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Blue I don't know if this is true (that Joni despises Sarah). I hope not because Sarah has written some incredible songs & I love her voice. I love the song "Blue" as performed both by Joni & Sarah. I also love Angel, Adia, & Icecream as well (Sarah's songs) & more that don't come to mind presently. >"Blue" Sarah McLachlan. This one is maybe one of my least favorites on the album - but I think maybe that has something to do with my knowledge on JOni's perception of Sarah Mclachlan. She hates Sara McLachlan. If I had been Sarah McLachlan - I would never ever have the nerve to join a tribute CD to someone who despised me. So I'll give credit to Sarah for that - for her daring. And after a couple of listenings I do enjoy this one too. Blue has never been my favourite song - but I think Sarah Mclachlan does a good try. Well done.< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 04:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Bob Dylan - njc what a lovely thing to say. I feel that way too. Wishing him continued good health and happiness and creativity and visions, and lots of family around him, and lots of big fat old motorcycles to ride, and if he has dogs, may they live long and be healthy too. :) Em ps: and may the necks of his guitars never crack - --- jeannie wrote: > For me, Robert Zimmerman's forever a youngblood. > > Jean > > > There was a little boy > And there was a little girl > And they lived in the alley > Under the Red Sky > ~Bob Dylan~ > > --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > Happy 66th birthday, Bob. > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Boardwalk > for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now > (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 04:18:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Have you seen this? I'm afraid to even look, having seen the Joan Baez one done with I think it was 2nd CIty. Painful!!!!! That's what I thought too, what is Belushi's prob, you disapoint me John.. Altho, wtf, I'd rather have him back. Em - --- jeannie wrote: > Hi Monika, > > I hadn't seen it before. The parody is so damned tacky > that it's embarrassing to me. What was Belushi > thinking? > > jeannie > > --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > > I was at the library today doing some research for > > something on the computer > > when I got done early so I decided to check out > > YouTube. I had seen this > > before last time I went but had not watched it: > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY_ > > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY) > > This is a National Lampoon's thing. It's a Joni > > Mitchell parody and I must > > say it's not funny. Now I can handle parody as long > > as there's something to > > it. If it's smart and funny I'll laugh along. I've > > seen good things be > > parodied before, take for example the Spinal Tap > > film. Sure, they are poking fun > > at metal but also at musicians in general. That is > > done well! One of my > > favorite movies if I do say so. But that was not > > funny. Just dumb, bottom of > > the barrel humor. > > -Monika > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's > > free at http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 04:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Have you seen this? sorry. I realize I should've added njc.... walking slowly backwards towards the door... Em :) - --- Em wrote: > I'm afraid to even look, having seen the Joan Baez one done with I > think it was 2nd CIty. > Painful!!!!! > That's what I thought too, what is Belushi's prob, you disapoint me > John.. Altho, wtf, I'd rather have him back. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:52:10 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: SV: Have you seen this? I'm with you, Marion. I thought is was hysterical. Like all good satire it's not the subject but the manner. And you can't get better than Belushi and National Lampoon. The fact that they chose her to skewer her demonstrates her iconic status. Jerry > Let's hope Joni hasn't seen it! (Although I must admit that somewhere > underneath all that crappy language and insulting descriptions I found it > just a little bit funny - a tiny little bit, please don't hit me - because I > thought of the Rolling Stone article way back then and imagined that this > could be a parody of that article as well. I mean, it's so grosse nobody > will take it seriously - except maybe Joni herself. And then she might stop > recording and walk out in anger again. > Marion in Sweden > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr jeannie > Skickat: den 25 maj 2007 07:50 > Till: Motitan@aol.com > Kopia: joni@smoe.org > Dmne: Re: Have you seen this? > > Hi Monika, > > I hadn't seen it before. The parody is so damned tacky > that it's embarrassing to me. What was Belushi > thinking? > > jeannie > > --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > >> I was at the library today doing some research for >> something on the computer >> when I got done early so I decided to check out >> YouTube. I had seen this >> before last time I went but had not watched it: >> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY_ >> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY) >> This is a National Lampoon's thing. It's a Joni >> Mitchell parody and I must >> say it's not funny. Now I can handle parody as long >> as there's something to >> it. If it's smart and funny I'll laugh along. I've >> seen good things be >> parodied before, take for example the Spinal Tap >> film. Sure, they are poking fun >> at metal but also at musicians in general. That is >> done well! One of my >> favorite movies if I do say so. But that was not >> funny. Just dumb, bottom of >> the barrel humor. >> -Monika >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's >> free at http://www.aol.com. >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play > Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:57:40 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Blue I, too, question that statement, though I am open to citation. I searched the JMDL Library and found a mention of Sarah's Blue in an interview with Joni, but nowhere does it say she hated it or Sarah. Jerry > I don't know if this is true (that Joni despises Sarah). I hope not because > Sarah has written some incredible songs & I love her voice. I love the song > "Blue" as performed both by Joni & Sarah. I also love Angel, Adia, & > Icecream as well (Sarah's songs) & more that don't come to mind presently. > >> "Blue" Sarah McLachlan. This one is maybe one of my least favorites on the > album - but I think maybe that has something to do with my knowledge on > JOni's perception of Sarah Mclachlan. She hates Sara McLachlan. If I had > been Sarah McLachlan - I would never ever have the nerve to join a tribute > CD to someone who despised me. So I'll give credit to Sarah for that - for > her daring. And after a couple of listenings I do enjoy this one too. Blue > has never been my favourite song - but I think Sarah Mclachlan does a good > try. Well done.< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 05:00:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Have you seen this? Thanks for the link, Monika - I was aware of that performance ("You Put Me Through Hell") but had never heard or seen it. I did find it very mean-spirited, particularly Belushi's intro. Joni however does get the last laugh - all of these people are dead or forgotten, and Joni's legacy & talent shines on. Happy Friday, fellow Joni goofballs! Bob NP: Apples In Stereo"Can You Feel It?" - --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: Have you seen this? - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > Let's hope Joni hasn't seen it! (Although I must > admit that somewhere > underneath all that crappy language and insulting > descriptions I found it > just a little bit funny - a tiny little bit, please > don't hit me - because I > thought of the Rolling Stone article way back then > and imagined that this > could be a parody of that article as well. I mean, > it's so grosse nobody > will take it seriously - except maybe Joni herself. > And then she might stop > recording and walk out in anger again. > Marion in Sweden > It's from 1973 - that's 34 years ago! If Joni didn't see it then, I hope she doesn't see it for the first time now. I thought whoever was Joni in the clip actually did catch some of the vocal effects not too badly (but exaggerated of course - sort of a cross between a Joni-type and a generic country singer). I didn't realize we swore that much back then though. (I certainly didn't.) Somehow I thought the habit of using the f-word every second effing-word was an effing-recent effing-phenonmenon. It is pretty tacky but doesn't offend me as much as I thought it might. Not really funny, oh maybe just a teensy bit, and they kept it short but it might have been funnier if it was shorter. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:16:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Have you seen this? - --- Em wrote: > That's what I thought too, what is Belushi's prob, > you disapoint me > John.. Too much coke? >Altho, wtf, I'd rather have him back. When he was funny, he was very funny. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:27:46 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: Have you seen this? Oh - I didn't realise it was that old. Water under the bridge, then. Still hope Joni doesn't stumble upon it now that it's out there on the internet... Now that I do know when this was performed I'm nearly convinced it has something to do with the Rolling Stone article and the reputation that gave Joni. Feels to me they are making fun of her reputation rather than her as a person. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Catherine McKay Skickat: den 25 maj 2007 13:56 Till: Marion Leffler; 'jeannie'; Motitan@aol.com Kopia: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: SV: Have you seen this? - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > Let's hope Joni hasn't seen it! (Although I must > admit that somewhere > underneath all that crappy language and insulting > descriptions I found it > just a little bit funny - a tiny little bit, please > don't hit me - because I > thought of the Rolling Stone article way back then > and imagined that this > could be a parody of that article as well. I mean, > it's so grosse nobody > will take it seriously - except maybe Joni herself. > And then she might stop > recording and walk out in anger again. > Marion in Sweden > It's from 1973 - that's 34 years ago! If Joni didn't see it then, I hope she doesn't see it for the first time now. I thought whoever was Joni in the clip actually did catch some of the vocal effects not too badly (but exaggerated of course - sort of a cross between a Joni-type and a generic country singer). I didn't realize we swore that much back then though. (I certainly didn't.) Somehow I thought the habit of using the f-word every second effing-word was an effing-recent effing-phenonmenon. It is pretty tacky but doesn't offend me as much as I thought it might. Not really funny, oh maybe just a teensy bit, and they kept it short but it might have been funnier if it was shorter. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 05:37:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Have you seen this? jeannie wrote: >>>>I hadn't seen it before. The parody is so damned tacky that it's embarrassing to me. What was Belushi thinking? Well, in fairness it's not really his bit. That said, Belushi hated Joni's music. When he met Jim Keltner he said something like "I know you. You play whimp music with Joni Mitchell and George Harrison." Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 05:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Tribute Review Here is Pitchfork's review: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/43058-a-tribute-to-joni-mitchell They give it a 2.9/10 but that's mostly because it doesn't do justice to Joni in the writer's opinion. An excerpt: "Mitchell is often lumped in with the mostly abhorrent 1970s singer-songwriter thing, but unlike contemporaries who emerged from the last wave of folk as hippiedom broke apart and sank into the cultural memory, she was an explorer. Even her early folk material, which is pretty musically basic, exhibits deep idiosyncrasies-- the way she attacked a melody doesn't really have a parallel, and there's an extemporaneous energy to her performances that makes her hard to imitate." Bob NP: Apples In Stereo, "Play Tough" - --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 05:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Tribute Review now kinda njc - --- Bob Muller quoted: > "Mitchell is often lumped in with the mostly abhorrent 1970s > singer-songwriter thing" I wonder who he's referring to there. (or she) And I wonder why I feel like sticking a hot fireplace poker up their a*s. hmmmm... Em Stand, don't you know that you are free?well at least in your mind, if you want to be......Sly Free your mind and the rest will follow....En Vogue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 06:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Have you seen this? - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > Belushi hated Joni's music. And let's not forget what Belushi's character, "Bluto" Blutarsky, did to the hapless folksinging guy's guitar in "Animal House." Thanks for sharing this clip with us all, Monica. I have wondered about it for years. There is an entry in Joni in Fiction that asks for more info about this song. If I could make out the lyrics she's singing, I'd put them in Joni in Fiction. Also, thanks to everyone who wished me a happy birthday / happy surgery. My shouder seems to be healing well, although I am not supposed to use that arm for anything like typing or covers frisbee. Unfortunately, I broke a bone in my foot when Victor got to town the other day. I am telling everyone he pushed me off a curb. I now have a huge motherfeckin' Terminator cast on my left leg to go with the sling my left arm is in! - --Smurf NPIMH: "I gave my love a cherry . . . " . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:04:33 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Have you seen this? In a message dated 5/25/2007 9:49:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smurfadelica@yahoo.com writes: Also, thanks to everyone who wished me a happy birthday / happy surgery. My shouder seems to be healing well, although I am not supposed to use that arm for anything like typing or covers frisbee. Unfortunately, I broke a bone in my foot when Victor got to town the other day. I am telling everyone he pushed me off a curb. I now have a huge motherfeckin' Terminator cast on my left leg to go with the sling my left arm is in! Oh for God's sake....Smurfie.....stay off the streets I'm glad your surgery went ok, I'm sorry about the foot. rosie xxo ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:29:35 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Have you seen this? Well, in fairness it's not really his bit. That said, Belushi hated Joni's music. When he met Jim Keltner he said something like "I know you. You play whimp music with Joni Mitchell and George Harrison." - --------------------------------------------------- Aww, whimp music? Those are two of my favorite artists! - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:45:33 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Lukewarm songs? 1. Amelia (hate it, have tried to find it after reading how much it means to so many. Just don't get it.) - ------------------------------------------------------------ Ok, this was posted on the list just recently which aided me in thinking up a question. Are there any Joni songs that either you don't like or like but not love in which you've noticed a big majority do? For me, I would name "The Last Time I Saw Richard." I've read many favoring comments towards the song here on this list, in reviews, and even in the song poll on the site it's ranked up there at a good number. Although I do like the song, I wouldn't say it's a favorite by any means. And as I've said before on this list, I could do without "Big Yellow Taxi" unless its the MOA 1974 version (which I love!) or done live on a DVD I am watching. So any songs like that for you? - -Monika NP: As You Said- Cream ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:03:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Lukewarm songs? I'd say Sex Kills for me. I find it very pretentious and was way overplayed during Joni's promotion of the Turbulent Indigo. Jerry > 1. Amelia (hate it, have tried to find it after reading how much it means > to so many. Just don't get it.) > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Ok, this was posted on the list just recently which aided me in thinking > up a question. Are there any Joni songs that either you don't like or like > but not love in which you've noticed a big majority do? > For me, I would name "The Last Time I Saw Richard." I've read many > favoring comments towards the song here on this list, in reviews, and even in > the > song poll on the site it's ranked up there at a good number. Although I do > like the song, I wouldn't say it's a favorite by any means. > And as I've said before on this list, I could do without "Big Yellow > Taxi" unless its the MOA 1974 version (which I love!) or done live on a DVD I > am > watching. > So any songs like that for you? > -Monika > NP: As You Said- Cream > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:36:20 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' - now NJC Victor wrote: American Idol may not be everything its hyped up to be but I think overall its a positive thing and better than nothing at all. If it's getting kids to sing or aspire to be singers then I'm all for it. I don't think having an overtly negative attitude towards anything is helpful or constructive. Amen, Victor - my comment would be "you've listened to too many classic albums, people, snap out of it." True, I don't actually buy anything by whoever the kids are listening to now, with a few exceptions, but I don't hate everything just because it doesn't have the depth of Joan or it has a drum machine, or it's sung by some manufactured 16 year old who couldn't write a grocery list. If a song's catchy, it's catchy, and hell, I don't want "Amelia" 24 hours a day. And to be honest, I'd take cheesy pop songs from any era over the "bitter Joan against the industry/humanity/the world" stuff that peppers the later work. So give me "Silly Love Songs" by Wings over "No Apologies" anyday. As for Idol, the title says it all. It's not "American singer/songwriter Showcase" - it's all about the star maker machinery behind the popular song, rather than someone asking someone from the company to circulate his or her soul around (Idol doesn't really care about the soul, and that's fine too). So it is what it is, and I like it for what it is. And some good talent HAS come out of there. Now, as for Canadian Idol, well, that's the epitome of hokey and you have to watch it just to cringe. And, since someone mentioned in this digest about how Joni doesn't like Sarah Maclachlan, I need to say that it just completely annoys me how she's gone off on Sarah, Sheryl Crow, and all music that has been written in the past 100 years. Give me Sarah singing the phone book in pig-Latin French over "The Reoccuring Dream" any day..... hmmm, I cranky like a later-day Joan being interviewed, apparently. Happy weekend, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:42:35 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Rolling Stone Cover Reproduction of Joni FYI: You can buy a nice reproduction of Joni on the cover of Rolling Stone Magazine here (plus you'll get a free subsription to Rolling Stone Magazine): http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Joni-Mitchell-Rolling-Stone-no-296-July-1979-Posters_i2063242_.htm (I always got a kick out of Joni with a perm!) Also have framed CDs for purchase: http://www.allposters.com/-st/Joni-Mitchell-Posters_c83715_.htm Laura NJC below......but some good freebies Buy a Caribou Cooler drink get one free. Offer ends TODAY at Caribou Coffee. Print out coupon and bring in-store (coupon is at the bottom of the page). http://view.cariboucoffee-email.com/?j=fec012787762067a&m=fef010797c640d&ls=fe2e137270650c7d741479 Need some extra $ for your eBay purchases of Joni items? Enter for a chance to win eBay G/C once a day until May 30. No purchase necessary if you enter here: http://www.winit.ebay.com/Scripts/myaccount.asp Are your panties in an uproar over these freebies? Maybe you need some new ones. ;-) May 31 to June 6 at Macy's in-store. A $9.50 value. (that just about pays for a new CD...on sale). http://www.macys.com/dyn_img/site_ads/JOCKEY_Coupon_MW.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:42:09 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Have you seen this? I thought it was pretty funny. You have to remember that National Lampoon's specialty was sick humor. Lemmings was a live stage parody of Woodstock- and sought to skewer to rock icons of the day, and the hippie culture in general. The point of the festival was for 1/2 a million people to come together and "off themselves", after all, what's more organic than self- inflicted composting? Other music stars of the day got worse treatment than Joni. James Taylor (in an uncannily accurate voice by Christopher Guest): "Shooting up the highway on the roadmap of my wrist"..."back to Carolina where I left my frontal lobes"; Joan Baez: "Pull the triggers, niggers...next time, off a pig for me" (originally on the LP, dropped from the CD release); and Belushi's fall-down drunk impression of Joe Cocker. They had the best David Crosby/CSNY impersonation I have heard on the Lemmings theme song. (On another record Nat Lamp did a great Neil Young song "Southern California Brings Me Down", spot-on voice, hilarious, but I digress..) I have had the record for years (which doesn't contain the Joni parody, it was finally released on a box set), but had no idea it was ever filmed. Lemmings ran at the Village Gate in NY '71-'73 which might explain the dated LOTC era Joni style. Apparently it toured, also. Interestingly, the released version of "You Put Me Through Hell" was sung by a man, Nate Herman, who also wrote it. The woman in the video is Rhonda Coullet, an actress, singer and songwriter, who replaced cast member Alice Playten in '73. I ran across her email and asked her for her comments on the bit, don't know if I'll hear back. I'm sure Joni knew about this 35 years ago. RR > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY) > This is a National Lampoon's thing. It's a Joni Mitchell parody and I > must > say it's not funny.> -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:49:05 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Have you seen this? > The woman in the video is Rhonda Coullet, an actress, > singer and songwriter, who replaced cast member Alice > Playten in '73. I ran across her email and asked > her for her comments on the bit, don't know if I'll hear > back. > I'm sure Joni knew about this 35 years ago. > Leave it to you, Randy. I wondered what she was doing now, almost 35 years later, as I was watching the bit. I hope you do hear from her and post her comments. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:01:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Have you seen this? now Smurfinator - njc - --- Smurf wrote: > Also, thanks to everyone who wished me a happy > birthday / happy surgery. My shouder seems to be > healing well, although I am not supposed to use that > arm for anything like typing or covers frisbee. > Unfortunately, I broke a bone in my foot when Victor > got to town the other day. I am telling everyone he > pushed me off a curb. I now have a huge > motherfeckin' > Terminator cast on my left leg to go with the sling > my > left arm is in! > Oh, what the hell??? I think when you reach OUR age, my dear Mr Murphy, everything immediately goes to hell in a handbasket. A few months ago, I had an Achilles tendon injury (don't really know how it happened), which required medication and physiotherapy. Shortly after that was coming along nicely, my knees started acting up. So I started doing exercises to help that. Then, two days ago, I just bent over to clean up a mess one of the cats had made, and my lower back muscle seized up. I was afraid I might never walk again, but, between ibuprofin, Robaxacet and yet more exercises, it's coming along nicely (although yesterday, I was ready to put a bullet through my own head, so it's a good thing I don't own a gun.) In fact, it seems to be working its way up, so my head will probably be the next to go anyway. You can blame Victor, and I'll blame my cat, but we all know it's really a sign that we're falling apart. Have a lovely weekend though. xox Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lukewarm songs? - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > 1. Amelia (hate it, have tried to find it after > reading how much it means > to so many. Just don't get it.) > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > Ok, this was posted on the list just recently > which aided me in thinking > up a question. Are there any Joni songs that either > you don't like or like > but not love in which you've noticed a big majority > do? > For me, I would name "The Last Time I Saw > Richard." I've read many > favoring comments towards the song here on this > list, in reviews, and even in the > song poll on the site it's ranked up there at a > good number. Although I do > like the song, I wouldn't say it's a favorite by > any means. > And as I've said before on this list, I could do > without "Big Yellow > Taxi" unless its the MOA 1974 version (which I > love!) or done live on a DVD I am > watching. For me, it's mostly the heard-it-too-many-times songs that make me cringe - BSN, The Circle Game and BYT (look ma! acronyms!) being the most blatant examples. having said that, if I happen to be listening to some Joni and one of those comes on, I don't always rush to skip to the next song and occasionally find myself putting on a little harmony with it (which drives me nuts). The ones that don't do much for me but that tout le monde seems to lerrrrv are "Amelia" (in many ways a great song with some wonderful lyrics, but I find it just goes on too long); "Chinese Cafe"; Cactus Tree (another one that I think could do with fewer verses.) That's all I can think of at the moment. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:55:01 -0400 From: "Jim Kauffman" Subject: Fairport Convention's Joni covers I just bought the new 4 CD box of Fairport Convention Live at the BBC, and it occurred to me as I listened to it that NO ONE covered more Joni songs early in her career. Check out this list: I Don't Know Where I Stand Marcie Night In The City Eastern Rain Chelsea Morning All recorded in 1968! And they also performed Both Sides Now. Fairport's manager Joe Boyd was the connection here. Here's an excerpt from Fairport bassist Ashley Hutchings biography: As to Joni Mitchell, Joe Boyd had met her at the Newport festival in 1967 [where he was stage manager], and she came over to England that same year. "She was looking for a publishing deal over here. I introduced her to David Platt at Essex Music, who made her some kind of advance." Ashley: "If you listen to 'Cactus Tree'..., Joe's the one who 'sends her letters in his facts and figures scrawl'. One magical day I went to call on Joe in Notting Hill and he said 'My friend Joni Mitchell is over from the States', and I walked into a room and she was there. It was just her and me, and we had a little chat. I commented that 'We do one of your songs'. 'Oh that's nice--I've got lots more!'" - -Jim K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:01:09 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Cambridge in May njc & Smurf's foot Victor wrote: "Smurph is seems to be slowly recovering from his surgery although we were walking to the North Station today and he tripped on the sidewalk and messed up his right foot something good...poor Smurph!!! He was going to get it checked out. I'll be gettting an update later this evening. Yikes!" Yikes is right! Sitting in a ranch house on a hill in Mansfield CT, Reading the JMDL news and it sure looks bad, Smurfy hurt his foot On top of the shoulder that's bad Oh, the rogue, the blue blue rogue! My heart cries out for you, Smurfadelica, oh Smurfadelica! I want to make you feel better I want to make you feel free I want to make you feel free of bodily pain. Any updates on the foot? I'm running behind the times again -- sorry if I missed it. It's hot hot hot in New England, so I hope you all can find a nice table in the shade to sip your tea and lemonade, or your bottle of German wine, or whatever Joni drink you want. Bon Memorial Day weekend! Love and peace, Patti P., who met a redneck on a traffic isle at the anti-war protest the other day who called me a "commie hippie feminist bitch!". There were about 100 of them and a thousand of us others in the streets saying "hooray for our side." What an experience. What a field day for the heat, who were standing right in the middle of the black road on the double yellow line with their police dogs, to keep us separated. Another "gentleman" yelled out: "You're in the wrong state! Woodstock is in New York!" And you know there may be more.... One guy, when told that "70 percent of the country is against the war", bellowed through his microphone: "Yeah? Well 70 percent of me thinks you're an ass, and the other 30 percent of me thinks you're a dick!" And another who kept yelling: "Lift up your tops! Lift up your tops!" As you can see, there was no intelligent conversation from the other side. We tried to ignore them. They were extremely loud and disrespectful. Sorry for the long P.S.! I had to get that out while I had a jmdl minute. _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:43:57 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: joshua jones, njc http://www.myspace.com/joshuajonesjj and http://youtube.com/watch?v=fyNF-IBPRVw ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:49:08 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Cambridge in May njc & Smurf's foot Hi Patti, Thanks for the message. They put his foot in one of those big casts that go up almost to your knee (he was calling it the Terminator cast.) I felt really bad that it happened...it was all so surreal, one minute we're just walking down the sidewalk to the train station then Smurf is shouting out in pain. I tried to be helpful though to some degree I thought just staying out of the way would be a help. After all, the whole reason I came up to begin with was for vacation. Any way you look at it, its just an unfortunate situation. I'm headed up to Portsmouth tonight to hang with Jody over the weekend. Hopefully we'll catch Roy Hargrove tomorrow night then Sunday we're gathering at Chuck's Sunday afternoon with a few folks. Monday and Tuesday I'm going to stay The Midtown Hotel which will make a better home base. Jody and I are going to show up at Fenway and try to finagle (sp?) some Red Sox tickets then Tuesday night, the Boston Pops are performing with Chick Corea and Gary Burton which should be pretty cool! Wednesday, sigh, it's back to Atlanta. Surprisingly, it felt hotter here today than it is Atlanta. I was burning up outside today, walking around downtown. Even during breakfast by the harbour it was hot! Victor > Sitting in a ranch house on a hill in Mansfield CT, > Reading the JMDL news and it sure looks bad, > Smurfy hurt his foot > On top of the shoulder that's bad > Oh, the rogue, the blue blue rogue! > My heart cries out for you, > Smurfadelica, oh Smurfadelica! > I want to make you feel better > I want to make you feel free > I want to make you feel free > of bodily pain. > > Any updates on the foot? I'm running behind the times again -- sorry if I > missed it. > > I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Lukewarm songs? "The Pirate of Penance" is the one for me...I find it vocally irritating and musically and lyrically inaccessible. Everybody else seems to think it's pretty good. There's a real good reason that this d-u-d is the only uncovered track on STAS. Bob NP: Joni, "Hunter" - --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:25:44 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Have you seen this? Jeannie wrote: I hadn't seen it before. The parody is so damned tacky that it's embarrassing to me. What was Belushi thinking? jeannie - - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I was at the library today doing some research for > something on the computer > when I got done early so I decided to check out > YouTube. I had seen this > before last time I went but had not watched it: > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY_ > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY) > This is a National Lampoon's thing. It's a Joni > Mitchell parody and I must > say it's not funny. Now I can handle parody as long > as there's something to > it. If it's smart and funny I'll laugh along. I've > seen good things be > parodied before, take for example the Spinal Tap > film. Sure, they are poking fun > at metal but also at musicians in general. That is > done well! One of my > favorite movies if I do say so. But that was not > funny. Just dumb, bottom of > the barrel humor. > -Monika Hi Ya'll, I think it is a riot!!! I love it!!! Gotta go watch it again!!! My husband thought it was funny too!! "I luuuuv youuuu." Ha ha ha ha! Is that Charles Manson or Belushi? LOLLLLL Luuuv, Laura NP: it again! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:24:28 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Have you seen this? I thought it was pretty funny, as a broad parody of Joni's ultra-confessional period. The singer did her best with imitating the vocal swoops but the accent was all wrong. And she didn't play an instrument. And she didn't even try to capture Joni's mannerisms. As an imitator, she was no John Kelly. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cambridge in May njc & Smurf's foot - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > Patti P., who met a redneck on a traffic isle at the > anti-war protest the > other day who called me a "commie hippie feminist > bitch!". Wow. It's the 60s all over again. Peace, love and right on, right on, right on. I'm surprised he didn't call you a "women's libber" at that. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:11:02 +1200 From: "Hell" Subject: Hollie Smith - NJC Just wanted to give everyone a heads up about a NZ artist releasing her first full-length CD ("Long Player") on Monday. Hollie Smith is an amazing singer-songwriter-pianist, very much in the blues/soul genre. She was recently signed to Blue Note records (other names on the label include Norah Jones, Herbie Hancock and Miles Davis to name a few). The president of the company heard one song and flew her to New York to sign her! I think a lot of people on this list will love her voice and songs. She's only 21, but going on 35 in terms of her attitude and maturity towards the music business. You can hear some samples here: http://www.amplifier.co.nz/release/28613/long_player.html;jsessionid=E727300 5F54A7F5510E3B22EE9FE1A61 Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:38:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lord Jim's - now njc and no Joni B.C. content I'm going to go to Vancouver in late August because a nephew is getting married. I may scoot up the coast to check this place out. Once we're out there, it will be great to see some wonderful mountain and ocean scenery. We'll fly out and I'll rent a car and maybe drive to Edmonton to visit my brother on the way back. I'm really looking forward to this. Now that my separation agreement is all settled and I've got some money, it's great to be able to think about vacations and so on. This place looks very cool and the scenery around is amazing. I love that there are mountains and ocean - together! - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Great idea, affordable on the off season & they even > allow pets! Let's go! > Love the blurb - > > "In our unique Sunshine Coast Accommodations, you > may find what you have > always searched for; the cove has a history of > secrets. It is said that in > the deepest silences, we hear the most. Great > truths, great loves, great > mysteries are revealed. Perhaps the secret awaits > you here." > > >The new place is very affordable. Maybe we should > have some kind of fest > event there. Here is the link. > http://www.rockwatersecretcoveresort.com/ > Kakki< > Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:14:00 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Re: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' > American Idol may not be everything its hyped up to be but I think overall its a > positive thing and better than nothing at all. If it's getting kids to sing or aspire > to be singers then I'm all for it. I don't think having an overtly negative attitude > towards anything is helpful or constructive. Victor, I agree with you. (Now get up from where you've fainted, LOL ...) Further, while I recognize American Idol for the schmaltz pop that it is, I don't understand all the snobbery around disliking it. The modern world is full of crap of one variety or another, and if we're not ingesting and enjoying *this* then we're certainly ingesting and enjoying *that*. It's all a matter of taste of the lack thereof, and really, who can call themselves the proper judge? Gimme a break, and understand that my comments are not pointed at anyone personally. I just get tired of all the noses in the air. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:12:01 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Re: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' Further, while I recognize American Idol for the schmaltz pop that it is, I don't understand all the snobbery around disliking it. The modern world is full of crap of one variety or another, and if we're not ingesting and enjoying *this* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, I understand and agree with you on the statement that "the modern world is full of crap of one variety or another." I think there's so much hate towards American Idol because it's just another thing that adds to the crap that already exists. Why add more? That's how I feel anyway. Reality tv is mainly a load of trash with a countless number of people being humiliated. Jesus, do viewers really get off on so many people being humiliated? There are a couple programs out there worth watching....none of them being reality tv and certainly American Idol is not included in that. I understand someone's point on how it helps kids who want to be singers, be singers. Well, sure maybe, maybe not. Here are these kids, some of them putting 110% effort into it, being told by some judges that they need to "lose a couple of pounds" (I know Simon Cowell said that to someone) or that they just stunk or they need to do this or do that. Well I'm sorry but I don't think that's how it works. Music is subjective. Just because Paul Abdul or Randy Jackson tell you you're doing something wrong doesn't mean you are. And why add more criticism in the music world? If these kids ever make it out in the music industry, there will be enough critics pulling them down and kicking them as it is. There's no "right" way. That really irks me. And of course don't get me started on some of the kids they KEEP on there just for shits and giggles, such as Sanjaya. It just annoys me that people are humiliated like that and made a laughing stock. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:16:22 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Have you seen this? I don't know, I still think this was done in bad taste and the humor is lost on me. The intro alone was just mean spirited. Anyways, I have seen something I like that Belushi has done. I saw a performance of Joe Cocker on a SNL DVD. Joe Cocker, which some of you may or may have not seen, is a very spiritied performer---hands in the air, facial expressions, random body spasms, etc. Well, Joe Cocker was singing and Belushi came up to him on stage dressed the same as Joe Cocker and imitated him side-by-side. He got it all down pat and lip-synched the entire performance. Cocker just kept on rolling and Belushi did a fantastic job. Now that was funny and it was done all in fun. Anyone ever seen that? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:32:15 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: A few Joni mentions... Mojo has an issue out that has the "100 Records That Changed The World" cover and there are a few Joni mentions in it. First off, they have a section with musician quotes and have a little pic of Joni with her quote on how "depth and emotionality are needed to enjoy her music....something bred out of the straight white males who run the press (I don't remember the quote word-for-word but it was in an article which was posted here recently on the list and on the site---you know which quote I am referring to). Beneath the quote, the magazine quoted," Joni, in no mood for compromise." Secondly, Joni's "Blue" was at #65 in the "100 Records That Changed The World." I must say, this was the strangest list ever compiled. Not your run of the mill list. Anyhow, someone from the panel who voted on the albums wrote a little bit on the album. She said some things along the lines of---that Joni was the first to write about female issues like regret and unrequited love...previously the music industry was all male oriented with male viewpoints....and females only wrote about complaints about love rather than an informed opinion.....Joni was a good storyteller on the album...a literary something or another [hey man I'm trying my best to remember all this!]. And at the bottom under all the albums, the magazine listed what the album/record spurred on such as musical genres or artists or just things in general. It said without Blue, we wouldn't have "bookish female songwriters." Lastly, in the midst of all these albums being listed they had different artists talking about artists they liked. Well, there was a picture of a mid 70's Joni wearing a beret with the caption, "in her jazz phase" or something along those lines. Beneath the pic, Bjork gushed about Joni and her influence. Bjork remembers hearing Hejira and DJRD when being only 14 or 15. She also said something about how Bob Dylan is known and talked about everywhere but where is Joni? It was just mainly gushing and a bunch of compliments thrown Joni's way. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #207 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------