From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #191 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 11 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 191 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Man from Mars [robmsteen@aol.com] NJC crock of sh...? [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: NJC crock of sh...? ["L. Bruce Vaughn" ] Annie Ross - Twisted content - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Nick Drake and Way to Blue [waytoblue@comcast.net] RE : Re: NJC Nick Drake and Way to Blue [Joseph Palis ] Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) [Motitan@aol.com] Boleros NJC ["mike pritchard" ] njc, Generals up on the peace train! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Taming the Tiger [Paul In MD ] Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Taming the Tiger [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) ["Happy The Man" ] Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: major disappointment ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) ["anon anon" ] Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Bjork ["Owen Duff" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:11:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) A wonderful read, Monika - and of course you realize that not even your (3) listens can take all of this one in. Thirty years after the fact I'm still hearing new things in DJRD. Your review brought back a lot of memories as I had almost the same exact take that you did. At least YOU have someone to talk to about it. Back in '77, I was like ol' Furry - I had no-o-o-o-obody. And I had a good chuckle...you are probably the ONLY person to hear the guitar/kazoo demo of "Dreamland" PRIOR to hearing the released version. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "NYC Serenade" - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 05:25:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: BMR Chiming in quite late on this one but BMR is one of my favorite songs from Hejira. I always felt it meshed perfectly with the rest of the album. Besides, the line "It's funny how these feelings hang around, you think they're gone, oh no, they just go underground" is worth the price of admission. Also, on a trip down south a few years ago, it was perfect sitting on the balcony of my hotel after a thunderstorm with "palm trees in the porch light like slick black cellophane." It was a classic Joni experience. Paul In MD AMARY559@aol.com wrote:Listening to BMR I think it was more the style of the song that put me off. It is certainly not vintage Joni but perhaps should come out of my doghouse although the line "boom boom pachyderm" does belong there! Is it the only where she mentions her own name? (another of my pet hates as used excessively by hip-hop artists). Cheers Kevin - - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 05:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger Wow, thanks for these! I am in the camp that thinks Man From Mars is one of Joni's best songs -- but she couldn't have come up with a better rhyme than "boo hoo"? To be fair, I have tried and nothing worked for me either. The alternate does make that line less glaring and I love the arrangement but I don't think Joni's vocals are as strong as they are on the version included on TTT. Joni's voice when she recorded TI and TTT was in that no man's land where her register was falling and I don't think she could always count on hitting the right note. So while I prefer the alternate version, Joni's voice is stronger on the TTT version. She may have felt the same way. When TI was released and I gave it a first listen, I wondered if Joni had suffered some sort of debilitating illness -- stroke, for instance. It was almost the same reaction I got when I first listened to Mingus. The lyrics on TI were so spare compared to everything that came before. TTT continued that style of writing. I find TTT a "sunnier" recording than TI and and I think it would have been an outstanding instrumental recording. I just don't find the writing as polished on those albums as the previous albums but there are certainly gems to be found. Perhaps I am being too harsh because I hold Joni to a higher standard than most artists. After all, Joni firing on five cylinders is better than most artists firing on eight. Paul In MD Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: Here you go Catherine and anyone else interested in the alternative mix of Man From Mars. http://download.yousendit.com/D48A077A41A8C3A6 If you want the mp3 on your desktop, control-click (Mac) or right-click (Windows) on the Download button and choose to save it. If it has a weird title, re-title it as Man From Mars (Alternative Mix).mp3. Mark in Sydney - - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 06:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) Motitan@aol.com wrote: >>>>>10. The Silky Veils Of Ardor: Another favorite! And may I say what a PERFECT ENDING to the album!? Yes, you may. :) I know not everyone here cares for this track, but I've always found it an appropriately melancholy, yet peaceful, way to end the hour long ride. Michael Flaherty - - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:44:45 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger Steve Polifka changed "without at least one big boo-hoo" to "without at least a tear or two". Works for me. Bob NP: The Doobie Brothers, "Road Angel" - - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - - ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:02:10 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) Bob, You know I didn't realize until after I told my friends they needed to listen to Joni or put her on in the car that not everybody had the same taste in music I did. I guess Joni was the my first artist that wasn't cool to listen too. If they only knew. Peace, Craig NP: Any Major Dude.... - Steely Dan - - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) >A wonderful read, Monika - and of course you realize that not even your > (3) listens can take all of this one in. Thirty years after the fact I'm > still hearing new things in DJRD. Your review brought back a lot of > memories as I had almost the same exact take that you did. At least YOU > have someone to talk to about it. Back in '77, I was like ol' Furry - I > had no-o-o-o-obody. > > And I had a good chuckle...you are probably the ONLY person to hear the > guitar/kazoo demo of "Dreamland" PRIOR to hearing the released version. > > Bob > > NP: Bruce Springsteen, "NYC Serenade" > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:46:39 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Pictures Posted Okay, I'm this far behind in digests (April 10th) but I just wanted to say how wonderful these pictures are! Everyone seems to be having so much fun and I totally agree with Catherine that the clarity of these pictures is outstanding! Sorry to be so far behind but life has a way of doing that to you sometimes. Sherelle >From: "Happy The Man" > > > > http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/v/JoniMitchell/nejf2007/Happy+The+Man/?g2_nav > > Id=x41d07907 > >Good photos and detailed info about the camera used, >etc, >but no names or captions? Unless you were there, >there is >no way to know who is who. I think the part about the type of camera is some kind of default. That stuff is always there. There are some names in Rosie's album. Catherine Toronto _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:55:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) For me it went even deeper than that - my friend Chris loved C&S so we used to listen to that all the time. My friend Lee was a Hejira fan so we could bond on that one, but when DJRD came out I was on my own. And that didn't stop me, I still spun the hell out of it. At least Jolie at WQDR played it a lot so I felt like I had a kindred spirit. 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Oh, I did also like Bjork's version of "The Boho Dance". I appreciated everyone's efforts but just liked some better than others. Sherelle Bob M wrote: This one, most likely: http://atributetojonimitchell.com/ Wow, this is really a surprise comment. Having listened to it numerous times, I'm not sure where you're coming from with that statement. While it has its faults, one of the things it DOES (whether you like it or not) is to 'bring new life' and/or re-imagine most of the songs. Sufjan Stevens, Bjork, Elvis Costello, Brad Mehldau, Cassandra Wilson all put a brand new spin on their tracks as do most of the artists involved. Not meant as a criticism, but just curious - what were you expecting? Bob _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:31:29 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) >From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >Reply-To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >To: Motitan@aol.com >CC: joni@smoe.org, owner-joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) >Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:11:26 -0400 > . Back in '77, I was like ol' Furry - I >had no-o-o-o-obody. >> >Bob > Speaking of Furry, I've read about how he didn't like Joni, how he found her visit with him somehow disrectful, mainly, I guess, because he wasn't payed for the song, though apprently during the vist, he was angry at Joni for mentioning that she played open tunings on her guitar... He felt that she was critisizing him, apparently... I'm sure Joni meant well, and at the very least, the song brought renewed interest to Lewis's music... _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:45:05 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) From: > 4. Paprika Plains: > because it's more than just a song. The piano is particularly > interesting > here as it goes from sounding pretty to sounding dark and ominous and > back > again. Nice observation! The piano part is several smaller snippets of improvisation, from different days, that were edited together. They were recorded differently (or on different pianos?), resulting in the sound variation. > 8. DJRD: > Listen to all those images! > How did she think of all that? The Eagle, the Serpent. Tell me that > isn't > great? I happen to love the line "as we rock between the sheets." It is a great line...the eagle and the serpent are from Joni's sun sign of Scorpio-the high road and low road so to speak. Another great recording of a great song-I like the way the bass and drum are doing the same "thunk" trancy rhythm throughout. > 9. Off Night Backstreet: > 10. The Silky Veils Of Ardor: > This song is a hidden gem man. Two of her most intense tracks-you can picture that Scorpio stinger waving at you in ONB! > Well, overall I like the album but can understand why some would have > been baffled back in '77 when it came out. I don't think alot of people heard it. I saw the double LP in cutout bins frequently. This was a turning point in FM radio- it really started going corporate. Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours", and The Eagles "Hotel California" had pretty much swept away the days of more experimental programming-the kind that Joni usually got. "Saturday Night Fever" and disco were also storming the charts. I think Joni's audience has always been kind of marginal- there was a time when everybody bought Blue and C&S, and I think for most, that satisfied their curiosity for her, like having 2 Cat Stevens records. DJRD is one of those records I will buy whenever there is an improved audio format. It's truly one of her masterpieces, and I enjoyed your insightful review. RR - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 23:39:43 +0000 From: "Owen Duff" Subject: Re: Bjork I'd have to second 'Vespertine' as an intro to Bjork's music, 'Harm of Will' and 'Sun in my Mouth' in particular are just achingly gorgeous songs... and the rest are not far off. I only truly got into her a few years ago, after years of liking what I'd heard of her output but for some reason not having followed up. I love the fact that she adopts the bleeding edge of music making but injects it with a huge amount of passion and humanity that could otherwise be missing, as well as bringing in more traditional instruments and ideas. Brilliant! After 'Vespertine' I'd say 'Homogenic' for her harder edge, and any of them after that. 'Selmasongs' is, surprisingly, one of my favourites, though I can't stand 'Dancer in the Dark'. Still haven't bought her latest, too poor! Soon, very soon... O www.myspace.com/owenduff www.owenduff.co.uk Lycos email has 300 Megabytes of free storage... Get it now at mail.lycos.co.uk - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #144 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:06:59 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC crock of sh...? Well at Border's in Cambridge they have Hejira at #4.99. I no longer think the price reflects the quality! BN Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:17:22 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Bjork NJC now some Tori Amos Also help needed with advice about a Tori Amos CD called something like 'beehives' ? ring any bells? Any good? Seems very cheap so maybe it's a crock of shite? Who knows? mike in bcn np rhp San Geronimo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 05:05:34 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: NJC crock of sh...? They may just be selling off overstocks of the original CD release. In October of last year they reissued all 10 of Joni's first studio albums in HDCD over in Japan. I've seen that they've been slowly trickling out here without much fanfare or hoopla. Hejira is one that does bear the HDCD logo on the back cover art, not all of them do. If you happen by there check the album art as I suspect those cheapies may the old version. Bruce > Well at Border's in Cambridge they have Hejira at #4.99. I no longer > think the price reflects the quality! > > BN > > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:17:22 +0200 > From: "mike pritchard" > Subject: RE: Bjork NJC now some Tori Amos > > Also help needed with advice about a Tori Amos CD called something like > 'beehives' ? ring any bells? Any good? Seems very cheap so maybe it's > a crock > of shite? Who knows? > mike in bcn > np rhp San Geronimo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:07:28 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Annie Ross - Twisted content - NJC Annie Ross at The Metropolitan Room: Lush and Twisted Back to the Article by Michael Dale A rather wonderful thing happens when time starts diminishing the melodic qualities of great cabaret and jazz singers. When the voice loses much of its power, tempos are slower than usual and there are more spoken lyrics than you may recall from classic recordings, what's left is the raw interpretive artistry perfected by experience. It may seem like a backhanded compliment, but the skills that separate cabaret artists from mere singers are what keep someone like Annie Ross so captivating, even as she approaches her 77th birthday. Call her open-ended Tuesday nights at 7PM engagement at The Metropolitan Room a master class, a history lesson or just a dreamy way to spend the early evening and you'll be right on all counts. Most famous for serving as the latter third of the vocal jazz trio Lambert, Hendricks and Ross, she was a pioneer of the singing style known as vocalese, where lyrics were set to intrumental compositions and improvisations. Her signature tune "Twisted," with a satrirical lyric about psychoanalysis she penned to a solo of sax player Wardell Gray, still sparkles with jivey wit. The Gershwins' "I Got Rhythm" lingers with a supine and satisfied ease while Ogden Nash's romantic lyric to Kurt Weill's sumptious melody for "Speak Low" is delivered with deep, rich tones and the sage wisdom of a love guru. Two Johnny Mercer/Richard Whiting tunes, "Too Marvelous For Words" and "Have You Got Any Castles, Baby?" swing with her jaunty rhythmic phrasing, but when the room quiets down to pin drop decibles, she softly emotes Billy Strayhorn's "Lush Life" with a crushing simplicity. Partnering with Ross, and accenting the set with numerous exile rating solos are Tardo Hammer (piano), Neal Miner (bass) and Jimmy Wormworth (drums). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:38:52 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: NJC Nick Drake and Way to Blue On May 10, 2007, at 7:40 PM, mia _ wrote: Way to Blue is coming next - and now I know where Victor got his email name from ;) Mia Hi Mia, Way to Blue is a good compilation though I highly recommend getting the original 4 releases..Five Leaves Left, Bryter Lyter, Pink Moon (which you have), and Time of No Reply ( released after his death containing 4 recordings made in the studio at that time as well as several other miscellaneous tracks....but as essential as the first three albums for sure.) When I first discovered Nick Drake, I instantly bonded with him as if he was a kindred spirit. I was working in a music store at the time and made it my mission to tell people about Nick Drake. I also formed a band called "Way to Blue" and we even covered a couple of Nick Drake songs, "Things Behind the Sun", "Riverman", and "Hazy Jane II". And on what would have been Nick Drake's 50th birthday, I put together a tribute night at a local coffeehouse...it was small but had a very eerie ambience in the room. I learned "Fruit Tree" specifically to play that evening and I really felt that the spirit of Nick Drake was present that evening. Some time around then, I wrote a song called "Way to Blue". It ended up being about Nick Drake but I didn't set out with that in mind...just kind of how it ended up. Of course, Nick Drake had his own song, Way to Blue...I've always seen this as sort of a reply to him. I recorded it on my first cd, Tangled. Victor Way to Blue Watching the hands on the clock go by, Telling me when I'm going to die. Well you'd like to believe that its All just a matter of hours and days. But I've known some moments that lasted for years, And years flew by like days. I'd like to be a little raincloud floating by, With just a balloon keeping me so high. I'd fool all the bees, They wouldn't know what I was after, But they can see through my disguise, And they know that I'm just a silly bear. On the fine side of the ocean, Something waits for you. When you're broken tired and weary, You will find the way to blue. Watching the rain fall from an English sky, Feeling so down but you don't know why. Could it be that you're hoping for Changes to come in the weather. But with every glimmer of sunshine that hits you, A little rain must fall. Tasting the smell of a winter sky, Trees are all bare but the leaves fly by. Well maybe you're falling, There's nothing for you to grab on to. But look at the leaves they're all dancing on air, And they don't seem to mind at all. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:58:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: NJC Nick Drake and Way to Blue I agree. Everytime I play Nick Drake's "Way to Blue" in the station, I think of Victor. Joseph np: Chuck Mangione - The Hill Where The Lord Hides waytoblue@comcast.net a icrit : On May 10, 2007, at 7:40 PM, mia _ wrote: Way to Blue is coming next - and now I know where Victor got his email name from ;) Mia Hi Mia, Way to Blue is a good compilation though I highly recommend getting the original 4 releases..Five Leaves Left, Bryter Lyter, Pink Moon (which you have), and Time of No Reply ( released after his death containing 4 recordings made in the studio at that time as well as several other miscellaneous tracks....but as essential as the first three albums for sure.) When I first discovered Nick Drake, I instantly bonded with him as if he was a kindred spirit. I was working in a music store at the time and made it my mission to tell people about Nick Drake. I also formed a band called "Way to Blue" and we even covered a couple of Nick Drake songs, "Things Behind the Sun", "Riverman", and "Hazy Jane II". And on what would have been Nick Drake's 50th birthday, I put together a tribute night at a local coffeehouse...it was small but had a very eerie ambience in the room. I learned "Fruit Tree" specifically to play that evening and I really felt that the spirit of Nick Drake was present that evening. Some time around then, I wrote a song called "Way to Blue". It ended up being about Nick Drake but I didn't set out with that in mind...just kind of how it ended up. Of course, Nick Drake had his own song, Way to Blue...I've always seen this as sort of a reply to him. I recorded it on my first cd, Tangled. Victor Way to Blue Watching the hands on the clock go by, Telling me when I'm going to die. Well you'd like to believe that its All just a matter of hours and days. But I've known some moments that lasted for years, And years flew by like days. I'd like to be a little raincloud floating by, With just a balloon keeping me so high. I'd fool all the bees, They wouldn't know what I was after, But they can see through my disguise, And they know that I'm just a silly bear. On the fine side of the ocean, Something waits for you. When you're broken tired and weary, You will find the way to blue. Watching the rain fall from an English sky, Feeling so down but you don't know why. Could it be that you're hoping for Changes to come in the weather. But with every glimmer of sunshine that hits you, A little rain must fall. Tasting the smell of a winter sky, Trees are all bare but the leaves fly by. Well maybe you're falling, There's nothing for you to grab on to. But look at the leaves they're all dancing on air, And they don't seem to mind at all. - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:00:13 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Francis Ford Coppolla in Atlanta(njc) I went with my friend Amy last night and saw a screening of a new documentary on F.F.C. and listened to him speak afterwards. Both were thrilling and exemplary of the unique opportunity that had presented itself to me last week. The documentary dealt mostly with a new movie he's been working on, called "Youth Without Youth", based on a novella by Mircea Eliade. The setting for the documentary was almost entirely in Bucharest, Romania and followed the whole proccess of making the film as well as dealing with such abstract, philosophical concepts like time and love. There was lots of footage of different shooting sites and interviews with some of the actors who will be in the film. I have not read this story but it deals with an elderly professor who finds himself all of the sudden in the body of a young man. There's a love story involved of course...I haven't read the original story but plan on finding it. At the end of the documentary there were some very trippy sequences involving clocks and blurring reality and juxtaposed images of time and a skull...almost creepy. I don't know the release date for "Youth Without Youth" but will definitely go see it when it comes out. Francis said that at this point in his career, he plans on doing several films that are more personal...in the documentary, you see a clip from the very first film he ever made, which he got an uncle to be in. It deals with a middle aged man who feels utterly alone and shows his daily routine, bringing you into his quiet, solitary world, an archetype he says has shown up in his films over the years...I got the impression his next films will be more introspective and personal as he said. In a few weeks, he will be flying to Argentina to begin work on another film. We couldn't stay for the entire question and answer session but I really enjoyed hearing what he had to say. He struck me as incredibly humble and very charismatic. He made a point of saying how he had asked his dad once if he would ever consider himself the best composer ever and his dad told him, no, there would always be Mozart and Beethoven, Verdi, whoever...but that he certainly wasn't the worst composer either so he was somewhere in between which was what anyone should shoot for. Then he used the same analogy but in terms of film directors. Sounded like a good attitude in my opinion. I found out from my friend Ray that a mutual friend had had an affair with F.F.C a few years back ( a long story) and we joked beforehand about asking Francis if he ever thought about her as he had said he would be glad to answer anything but alas, I didn't get the chance...lol Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:56:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Annie Ross - Twisted content and other vocal jazz ruminations- NJC Thanks for this link, Jerry. I harbored hopes of seeing/catching Annie Ross in concert before it's too late (and for that matter the other grand dames of vocal jazz like Blossom Dearie, Abbey Lincoln, Sheila Jordan, Ernestine Anderson, Cleo Laine, even Lena Horne), but with present-day finances and hectic school schedule, I don't think it's going to happen. But maybe this coming academic year where I will be mostly writing my dissertation (with thankfully no more teaching obligations and grad courses) I might be able to catch Annie Ross in concert -- great or dwindling voice it does not matter. Legends exude a different vibe. Much as Annie Ross is indeed one of the pioneers of vocalese, credit should be given to Eddie Jefferson and King Pleasure for really jumpstarting its wider acceptance in the jazz vocal world. This type of rapid-fire singing seems to require an innate familiarity with the instrumental solos of jazz musicians. No doubt Ella would have been great had she pursued this vocal path. She sang a brilliant "Joe Williams Blues" from her 1960 album called Ella Returns to Berlin. Joni would have been great too had she branched out into this type of singing in the late 1970s where I thought her voice was at her peak. Her version of "Twisted" is technically proficient as was her "The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines" in 1979. The contemporary jazz singers who excel at this type of singing are the three women of The Manhattan Transfer -- Janis Siegel, Cheryl Bentyne and Laurel Masse. Also Lauren Kinhan, Lorraine Feather and Ann Hampton Callaway, and among the male singers -- Kurt Elling, Peter Cincotti and even that young Brit singer Jamie Cullum. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Chuck Mangione - And in the Beginning Jerry Notaro a icrit : Annie Ross at The Metropolitan Room: Lush and Twisted Back to the Article by Michael Dale A rather wonderful thing happens when time starts diminishing the melodic qualities of great cabaret and jazz singers. When the voice loses much of its power, tempos are slower than usual and there are more spoken lyrics than you may recall from classic recordings, what's left is the raw interpretive artistry perfected by experience. It may seem like a backhanded compliment, but the skills that separate cabaret artists from mere singers are what keep someone like Annie Ross so captivating, even as she approaches her 77th birthday. Call her open-ended Tuesday nights at 7PM engagement at The Metropolitan Room a master class, a history lesson or just a dreamy way to spend the early evening and you'll be right on all counts. Most famous for serving as the latter third of the vocal jazz trio Lambert, Hendricks and Ross, she was a pioneer of the singing style known as vocalese, where lyrics were set to intrumental compositions and improvisations. Her signature tune "Twisted," with a satrirical lyric about psychoanalysis she penned to a solo of sax player Wardell Gray, still sparkles with jivey wit. The Gershwins' "I Got Rhythm" lingers with a supine and satisfied ease while Ogden Nash's romantic lyric to Kurt Weill's sumptious melody for "Speak Low" is delivered with deep, rich tones and the sage wisdom of a love guru. Two Johnny Mercer/Richard Whiting tunes, "Too Marvelous For Words" and "Have You Got Any Castles, Baby?" swing with her jaunty rhythmic phrasing, but when the room quiets down to pin drop decibles, she softly emotes Billy Strayhorn's "Lush Life" with a crushing simplicity. Partnering with Ross, and accenting the set with numerous exile rating solos are Tardo Hammer (piano), Neal Miner (bass) and Jimmy Wormworth (drums). - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: RE : Re: NJC Nick Drake and Way to Blue Joseph Palis wrote: > Joseph > np: Chuck Mangione - The Hill Where The Lord Hides A real favorite of mine. Chuck was from Buffalo and a distant cousin. Before his rise to national fame I used to see him with the Rochester and Buffalo symphony orchestras often and at small clubs with Esther and his brother Gap. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:33:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Francis Ford Coppola in Atlanta(njc) Hi Victor, Great post there on FFC. I like FFC too as a director (well maybe not in the same category as Godard but ...) and I have not seen that docu you mentioned. Sounds like a great film to see. I have enjoyed his films through the years (well, maybe not so much "Jack" or "The Rainmaker") and I highly recommend that you see "The Conversation" which he did in between his two epic Godfather movies. It is very personal and very intimate and startling in its precise shadings of fear and of paranoia and all things great about American cinema during the period that produced maverick directors like him, Scorsese, Altman, etc. "The Conversation" has the same plotline as this German and recent Oscar winner for foreign language film called "The Lives of Others". I love the latter but my heart is on the former (or in Joni parlance, while I adored HOSL to the high heavens, Blue is my first love). Gene Hackman was great in it. And Teri Garr. Having seenthe recent Brando docu on TCM as recommended by someone here onthe List, it was great to see FFC working with Brando in "Apocalypse Now". I was too young to remember the details but I recalled that when it was shot in the Philippines at the height of the Marcos dictatorship, much hoopla was made of the fact that an ace director decided to shoot the film there. Only to learn later in subsequent interviews and in the brilliant companion docu called "Hearts of Darkness: The Making of Apocalypse Now" that FFC had a super hard time with the Philippine tropical conditions when they shoot the film there. Martin Sheen almost died of heat stroke, etc. Plus the watchful eye of the government that both were both happy and wary about the whole filming process. I enjoyed that part when FFC told Brando to utter the now famous "the horror, the horror" line and Brando named a price for its utterance. And I know that FFC's daughter Sofia has had her share of detractors and supporters but with a very limited filmic oeuvre (including the student film she did about warring schoolgirls), I think she is becoming an auteur in her own right. And I use Andrew Sarris's definition of auteur here. Thanks for making me look forward to seeing "Youth Without Youth". Like I say everytime I read (and get disappointed by a Kazuo Ishiguro novel), a bad Coppola film is much better than no Coppola film at all. I wish FFC would get into digital filmmaking to the way it reinvigorated David Lynch via "Inland Empire". The latter seemed to have found a new vitality in digital filmmaking through that film that had him invent a different film language with this new technology. Sorry for babbling and rambling. But I just want to give a shout out for FFC. Joseph in Apple Chill, np: The Avett Brothers - Will You Return? waytoblue@comcast.net a icrit : I went with my friend Amy last night and saw a screening of a new documentary on F.F.C. and listened to him speak afterwards. Both were thrilling and exemplary of the unique opportunity that had presented itself to me last week. The documentary dealt mostly with a new movie he's been working on, called "Youth Without Youth", based on a novella by Mircea Eliade. The setting for the documentary was almost entirely in Bucharest, Romania and followed the whole proccess of making the film as well as dealing with such abstract, philosophical concepts like time and love. There was lots of footage of different shooting sites and interviews with some of the actors who will be in the film. I have not read this story but it deals with an elderly professor who finds himself all of the sudden in the body of a young man. There's a love story involved of course...I haven't read the original story but plan on finding it. At the end of the documentary there were some very trippy sequences involving clocks and blurring reality and juxtaposed images of time and a skull...almost creepy. I don't know the release date for "Youth Without Youth" but will definitely go see it when it comes out. Francis said that at this point in his career, he plans on doing several films that are more personal...in the documentary, you see a clip from the very first film he ever made, which he got an uncle to be in. It deals with a middle aged man who feels utterly alone and shows his daily routine, bringing you into his quiet, solitary world, an archetype he says has shown up in his films over the years...I got the impression his next films will be more introspective and personal as he said. In a few weeks, he will be flying to Argentina to begin work on another film. We couldn't stay for the entire question and answer session but I really enjoyed hearing what he had to say. He struck me as incredibly humble and very charismatic. He made a point of saying how he had asked his dad once if he would ever consider himself the best composer ever and his dad told him, no, there would always be Mozart and Beethoven, Verdi, whoever...but that he certainly wasn't the worst composer either so he was somewhere in between which was what anyone should shoot for. Then he used the same analogy but in terms of film directors. Sounded like a good attitude in my opinion. I found out from my friend Ray that a mutual friend had had an affair with F.F.C a few years back ( a long story) and we joked beforehand about asking Francis if he ever thought about her as he had said he would be glad to answer anything but alas, I didn't get the chance...lol Victor - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:43:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: RE : Re: NJC Nick Drake and Way to Blue Wow, this is great, Jerry. Through you I am two degrees away from Esther Satterfield -- a singer I love and have since been scouring the Net for details for her whereabouts. I heard she hailed from North Carolina and sometimes when I get on road trips with friends in NC-land, I am training my mind to look for her in every nook and cranny. She has a very special voice -- not perfect but very emotive and almost ethereal. In fact I am thinking of calling this short film I am doing as "Searching for Esther Satterfield" in the hope that more people will help me track her down and get her to record again. I love Chuck M. too. When "Feel So Good" came out in the early 80s, I loved its melodic hook a lot. Is he still performing? Joseph np: Sheryl Crow - The Difficult Kind "Gerald A. Notaro" a icrit : Joseph Palis wrote: > Joseph > np: Chuck Mangione - The Hill Where The Lord Hides A real favorite of mine. Chuck was from Buffalo and a distant cousin. Before his rise to national fame I used to see him with the Rochester and Buffalo symphony orchestras often and at small clubs with Esther and his brother Gap. Jerry - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:25:57 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: [none] AJ wrote: I also have a big weakness for Burt Bachrach. What can I say. The heart has its reasons that reason knows not of. A MUST HAVE, then is his collaboration with Elvis Costello, "Painted From Memory." I could listen to "My Thief" from that record for a week straight. I think I have, actually. CC _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:40:43 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) Well I'm glad to have this list to talk about these albums with. It's such a relief because when I tell my family, "oh I got a new Joni Mitchell album" they just roll their eyes and ignore me. When I tell my friends (sans my friend Nickey which some of you know from Jonifest) the same thing, they just say "cool." This list is so refreshing. Anyway, I'm so glad I own DJRD. It's funny because I have the "urge" (not for going) but the urge for listening to it. Let me explain. When I buy a new album usually I spend a couple days listening heavily to it. Then depending on my mood or whatever reason I'll either put it down until I get an inclination to listen to it again in coming time or certain songs or I'll have the "urge" for listening to it. Meaning everytime I listen to music (I grab a variety of music as I never listen to the same albums over and over when listening to music) I'll HAVE to grab the album. I'll have this "craving" to listen to it. Even when I'll be sitting doing something else, I won't be thinking, "oh I better go listen to that" but I'll have the urge to listen to it. I suppose it is like a craving for a drug. You're not satisfied until you get what you want which is what happens. I'll grab the album to satisfy my craving and I'll be ok for a little bit of time...until it starts up again. Eventually this initial feeling goes away and then it's just your normal "I want to listen to this or that" feeling. I remember I had this feeling with "For The Roses" quite heavily. So I have the "urge" for DJRD. Does this sound crazy or does it make sense? Anybody know the feeling? - -Monika, not crazy but perhaps a bit out there ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 18:06:59 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Boleros NJC Do any of you bolero fans out there (Em? Clive? Norma Jeanne?) have a copy of Celia Cruz's 'Boleros Eternos' CD? I am about to buy a copy but would dearly love an mp3 of one of the tracks ('Te Busco') in the next five minutes. Anyone throw me a line? I cannot for some reason access the iTunes store at this moment and am quite prepared to buy the track, butfor the moment it's a no-go. Muchas Gracias miquel en barcelona np Bjork - Debut ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:57:19 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Generals up on the peace train! Dear Joniamigos: Please pardon the politics, but I just got an email that really cheered me up. My only channelled aspiration in sharing it is that it will cheer some of *you* up, too. It sure made me "Shine"! Here's the gist of it: "Dear StopIranWar.com Supporter, You are making a difference! Because of your support, our latest ad featuring retired Major General John Batiste is making huge waves. From stories in the New York Times to Newsweek to the Associated Press, from interviews and stories on ABC to CNN to MSNBC, and hundreds of local stories in print and broadcast, our ad has clearly become the story of the week in the national and local media. Just a small snippet of that press is now right at our homepage. Next week, we're going to unveil the next in our ad series, featuring another commander on the ground, retired Major General Paul Eaton. If you liked the ad featuring Major General Batiste, you're going to love the one featuring Major General Eaton. And, don't forget, we have another coming up that features former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, retired General Wesley Clark." Yay! Some of you might remember my good friend, "freakin'" General Wesley Clark. If even the *generals* are saying "hooray for our side", maybe we are getting somewhere. Do you think? "Do you think this can be real?" You can see General Batiste's 29-second video here: http://www.votevets.org/ and all the press it's getting. (Oops! JONI TIC: "....parties for the press...") Love & peace, Patti P. NPIMH: Choo Choo Cha Boogie & Peace Train (making a new song in my head.....people can you hear it?) _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:03:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Hearing new things in familiar recordings, njc I bought "A Love Supreme" by John Coltrane on the recommendations of Carlos Santana and Joni Mitchell. I get it and I've listened to it many times. There's a spoken part near the end that goes, >A love supreme >A love supreme Today, near the beginning, I heard the drummer playing that same "figure" on drums. >din din dum DUM >din din dum DUM >din-din dum DUM DUM >din din dum DUM You just don't get that stuff with rock recordings, eh? Thanks for the bandwidth, Les. Jim L. PS, Please, no emails "correcting me" on the quality of your favorite rock drummer. There are some fine rock drummers; this post is about finding new things in familiar recordings. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #191 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------