From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #189 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, May 10 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 189 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Another Tribute review ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Your dream setlist [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Taming the Tiger [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Fire and no rain [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni Mitchell - Misc. Recordings [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Fire and no rain [Victor Johnson ] Re: Taming the Tiger [Catherine McKay ] Re: Fire and no rain [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Taming the Tiger [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Taming the Tiger [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Taming the Tiger [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Taming the Tiger [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Taming the Tiger [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters [Em ] Re: Taming the Tiger [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: Taming the Tiger [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters [SYU-Shaun Yule ] Re: Taming the Tiger [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Taming the Tiger [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters ["L. Bruce Vaughn" ] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters [SYU-Shaun Yule ] Re:BDSM Basics, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters [Victor Johnson ] aquarium (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Joni and Buffy [Kate Johnson ] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters [Motitan@aol.com] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters ["Azeem Ali Khan" ] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters ["L. Bruce Vaughn" ] Re: NJC yet, Songwriters [Em ] RE : Re: NJC yet, Songwriters [Joseph Palis ] Bjork NJC [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: Bjork NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Fire and no rain (njc) [] Man From Mars acoustic paino GOMH soundtrack ["Michael O'Malley" ] RE : Re: Bjork NJC [Joseph Palis ] Thoughts on DJRD (long) [Motitan@aol.com] RE: Thoughts on DJRD (long) ["Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Another Tribute review Hi everybody, read another review, this time in my regional paper, of the Tribute album. The review starts out saying how hard it is to honour an artist. It doesn't do to just deliver a cover. You have to capture the essence of the original and at the same time give it your own personal touch. And above all that, the result should say more about the artist the tribute is for than yourself. Given these premises, the reviewer finds that a couple of artists do just that on the Tribute album. In his opinion, Bjork does it best. She does it her way but eventually something that is more Joni Mitchell than Bjork emerges. He is also taken with Sufjan Stevens who, as he says, takes huge liberties, seems to completely undo Mitchell, changing Free Man in Paris into a pop irony which could easily be taken the wrong way. But it works, you only have to clear your head a few times and think in a new way. James Taylor and Sara MacLachlan are "meaningless and spineless". Prince is "delicious but caught up in his own world" and Annie Lennox is "sensationally bad". There you have it. Only true fans will run out and buy the cd.But still, I like this review better than the first one I reported on. It has more bite and despite the low opinion expressed on some of the artists, it's more interesting. It focuses on the performing artists, though, and does not say anything about Joni. Marion in Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:34:13 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Your dream setlist Nice bit of fantasising, Mon. I have been disappointed by the exclusion of some of Joni's older songs in the later live shows. Here's a set that I would like to see. 1. Holy War 2. No Apologies 3. The Beat of Black Wings 4. The Tealeaf Prophecy 5. Sweet Bird 6. Sex Kills 7. The Three Great Stimulants 8. For Free 9. Song To a Seagull 10. Woodstock 11. The Sire of Sorrow 12. Slouching Towards Bethlehem 13. Shine 14. My Best To You 15. If Break 16. Chelsea Morning 17. All I Want 18. Woman of Heart and Mind 19. For The Roses 20. People's Parties 21. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 22. Song For Sharon 23. Blue 24. The Dawntreader 25. Amelia 26. The Silky Veils of Ardor 27. Cactus Tree 28. The Last Time I Saw Richard 29. A Case of You 30. Both Sides, Now Poor Joni would be exhausted after a show like this but there are lots of songs here that I have never heard her perform live. There is a thematic flow for my interpretations of the songs. As for band, I guess there would be mainly people she has worked with in recent years like, Wayne Shorter, Mark Isham, Brian Blade and Herbie Hancock. If this was ever to happen, I'd book out the Sydney Opera House with my own money. Mark in Sydney NP The Last Time I Saw Richard - kind of like spitting ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:49:32 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger Here you go Catherine and anyone else interested in the alternative mix of Man From Mars. http://download.yousendit.com/D48A077A41A8C3A6 If you want the mp3 on your desktop, control-click (Mac) or right-click (Windows) on the Download button and choose to save it. If it has a weird title, re-title it as Man From Mars (Alternative Mix).mp3. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:02:32 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Fire and no rain I don't know if your national news picked it up but since this is an INTERnational list, I can say that it was reported on the news here in Sydney. New South Wales has similar weather to California and we suffer these disasters every year. It is tragic when this sort of thing happens. Especially when it causes homelessness and loss of life. Human or otherwise. My thoughts go out to all Los Angeleans and I hope those two theatres survive. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:21:37 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell - Misc. Recordings Thanks Simon. I was in fact pointing out to Monika and Marion that there is more to discussion than just pointing the way to research facilities like jonimitchell.com, that this list is for discussion and not just fact finding. I do appreciate the copy of the Interview magazine article. I used to buy that magazine religiously in the early '90s but I no longer have that copy. Thanks. That's something I can now hang on to. It was a wonderful magazine concept started by Andy Warhol and I love the idea of celebrities interviewing celebrities. I did not realise How Do You Stop was originally recorded by James Brown. I have that recording but thought it was a cover of Joni's song. I did think it was extraordinary for James Brown to be covering a Joni Mitchell song. Thanks again for the clipping. Mark in Sydney On 09/05/2007, at 9:03 PM, simon@icu.com wrote: > RE: your recent post to the JMDL ... >> >>> >>> Monika, being a true fanatic, I have been searching for music that >>> Joni has contributed to for some time. >>> >>> That's some of the vocal contributions I know of by Joni. > Mark, > > you'll find a complete, comprehensive list of ALL of these songs > (Joni's Contributions) > at the following URL: > http://jonimitchell.com/musician/songsfeaturing.cfm OR, > you can just open up the enclosed attachment. > > this compilation of information has been posted on JoniMitchell.com > for a number > of years now. in fact there have been no new recorded additions since > 1999 and > no informational UpDates since 2002. that's not likely to change any > time soon > either. > > > RE: the following >>> >>> I had already been a fan of Seal before this song and was excited >>> about the prospect of those two gettingtogether. There was an >>> interesting article in the New York based, Interview Magazine at the >>> time. It wasa staged phone interview between Joni and Seal with a >>> photograph of each talking on the telephone.Seal had been a long >>> time fan of Joni and it was his dream to record a song with her. It >>> was a reciprocal >>> arrangement with Seal singing on Joni's song, How Do You Stop. > you'll also find a copy of the Interview Magazine article enclosed as > a pdf.attachment > > BTW: HOW DO YOU STOP is not a Joni Mitchell song. it was written by > Dan Hartman > and first performed and recorded by James Brown. that's where Joni > first heard the song, > from James' recording. > > > > > andmoreagain, > simon montgomery > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/chronology/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 07:39:30 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters On May 8, 2007, at 10:25 PM, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I think I asked a question before on here on who your favorite > singers were. > Well, I was wondering who are your favorite songwriters? You know, > musicians that shine through their writing like no other? > > Writing is very important so have at it. > -Monika Joni Mitchell Tom Waits Jerry Garcia (music)/Robert Hunter (words) Stevie Wonder Lennon/McCartney Ian Anderson (of Jethro Tull) Bob Marley Neil Young ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 07:30:33 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Fire and no rain Hi Kakki, You are always in my thoughts but I'll send some good vibes your way and pray that these flames are brought under control. A scary thing, these wildfires. I feel so far away, even here in Georgia, but I often think about L.A., the time I've spent there, and I hope you come out of this relatively unscathed. Victor On May 9, 2007, at 1:17 AM, wrote: > I don't know how much national news is covering this but a fire > started in > Griffith Park (the largest municipal park in the U.S. and basically a > mountainous, wilderness area) today. I watched it this afternoon > and it > looked under control but went horrifically out of control this > evening. Many > animals both wild and from the L.A. Zoo, are threathened in > addition to such > many historical and Joni Landmarks such as the Greek Theater and > the Gene > Autry Museum. 5,000 acres have burned so far and many people have been > evacuated. It is very scary and upsetting. Please put out your > good thoughts > that this abates. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 07:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Here you go Catherine and anyone else interested in > the alternative mix > of Man From Mars. > > http://download.yousendit.com/D48A077A41A8C3A6 > > If you want the mp3 on your desktop, control-click > (Mac) or right-click > (Windows) on the Download button and choose to save > it. If it has a > weird title, re-title it as Man From Mars > (Alternative Mix).mp3. > > Mark in Sydney Thank you, Mark. Is it too soon to say, having just listened to it once, that I like it better than the one that appeared on TTT? (So I'm listening to it again.) My computer always wants to save those YouSendIt downloads as transfer.php but renaming (either before or after downloading) fixes that. Kind of annoying but, as long as there's a solution, not so bad at all. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 07:50:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Fire and no rain Hi Kakki, The national news is covering it well. We too here in Florida have about 400 fires burning. My campus almost had to be evacuated by the thick smoke yesterday and we are miles and miles from the fires. Our major highways here have to be closed often because you can't see to drive. Jerry > I don't know how much national news is covering this but a fire started in > Griffith Park (the largest municipal park in the U.S. and basically a > mountainous, wilderness area) today. I watched it this afternoon and it > looked under control but went horrifically out of control this evening. Many > animals both wild and from the L.A. Zoo, are threathened in addition to such > many historical and Joni Landmarks such as the Greek Theater and the Gene > Autry Museum. 5,000 acres have burned so far and many people have been > evacuated. It is very scary and upsetting. Please put out your good thoughts > that this abates. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 07:58:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger Of course not...it is painfully obvious upon first lesson that it runs circles around the TTT version. It boggles the mind why she went with TTT's more detached sterile version as opposed to this warmer and more heartfelt version. Bob NP: The Bad Plus, "Everywhere You Turn" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters > On May 8, 2007, at 10:25 PM, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > > I think I asked a question before on here on who > your favorite > > singers were. > > Well, I was wondering who are your favorite > songwriters? You know, > > musicians that shine through their writing like no > other? > > > > Writing is very important so have at it. > > -Monika > > I don't do lists very well, but, based on the stuff I've got in my collection and a few that spring to mind, with Joni at the top, and the rest in no particular order except for perhaps somewhat alphamabetical, and realizing that some of these date back to when I was much younger, here we go: JONI MITCHELL! Tori Amos Joan Armatrading The Beatles Beau Dommage (a Quebecois group) Bjork Jonatha Brooke Kate Bush Robert Charlebois (another Quebecois, un gars ben ordinaire and a frikkin' genius) Bruce Cockburn Shawn Colvin Cowboy Junkies (well, really, the Timmins family) Sandy Denny Jean-Pierre Ferland Marvin Gaye Patty Griffin Harmonium (another Quebecois group and, without checking, can't say offhand who the actual writers are) Indigo Girls Elton John (but not so much the recent stuff) Rickie Lee Jones Patty Larkin Bob Marley John Martyn Kate and Anna McGarrigle Van Morrison Harry Nilsson Laura Nyro Beth Orton The Pretenders (whoever wrote the songs and I'm guessing it was Chryssie with...?) Veronique Sanson Jane Siberry Judee Sill (weird lyrics but amazing music) Paul Simon Patti Smith Bruce Springsteen Cat Stevens Tom Waits Dar Williams Lucinda Williams Don't ask me to pick a top 10. Maybe I could do it, and there might be some I'd be more likely to grab before leaving my flaming building, but most likely I'd just leave! Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:14:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters Besides Joni, obviously: (In no order) Tom Waits Elvis Costello Ani Difranco Andy Partridge (XTC) Laura Nyro Bruce Springsteen Ben Folds Donald Fagen-Walter Becker Prince Bob NP: Fiona Apple, "Fast As You Can" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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My 2" Mark in rainy Sydney On 09/05/2007, at 9:58 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > listened to it once, that I like it better than the > one that appeared on TTT?> > > Of course not...it is painfully obvious upon first lesson that it runs > circles around the TTT version. It boggles the mind why she went with > TTT's more detached sterile version as opposed to this warmer and more > heartfelt version. > > Bob > > NP: The Bad Plus, "Everywhere You Turn" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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I get the impression that Shine will not sound the same. I was listening to her interview with Amanda Ghost again today and it seems to me that this album will be much more acoustic than TTT. The tracks played during the interview may not be the final mix but it's partly a hunch and partly clues like the fact that she said she will be playing saxophone on it that makes me think this will be more acoustic. Mark in Sydney On 09/05/2007, at 10:35 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > would have stood out and people would be complaining that the album > was > inconsistent.> > > True, and that's a good point. By the same token, had she recorded TTT > with that same sort of "real" feel as opposed to the sound she got > with the Parker/VG8, it would have been consistently improved and > would have made for a much better record. > > Bob > > NP: Rickie Lee Jones, "I Was There" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 08:50:38 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger From your lips to God's ears. Jerry > I get the impression that Shine will not sound the same. I was > listening to her interview with Amanda Ghost again today and it seems > to me that this album will be much more acoustic than TTT. The tracks > played during the interview may not be the final mix but it's partly a > hunch and partly clues like the fact that she said she will be playing > saxophone on it that makes me think this will be more acoustic. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 05:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters Dave Carter was GOD. He was tapped into a main vein, I do believe. Richard Shindell is nearly so. otherwise, yeah, Dylan, Joni, Neil...Leonard Cohen (bigtime)... Paul Simon...John Stewart... more, but those come to mind immediately. Hank Sr. Em - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I think I asked a question before on here on who your favorite > singers were. > Well, I was wondering who are your favorite songwriters? You know, > > musicians that shine through their writing like no other? > I remember seeing a list that people had voted on somewhere on > the net. > I think Dylan was #1 and Joni I believe was #9 or somewhere around > there. > Of course there have been a ton of lists like that but I mention > this > particular one because it was more recent and voted by actual people > rather than a > magazine or "judges" or whatever. > Writing is very important so have at it. > -Monika > NP: Sweet Home Chicago- Robert Johnson > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:09:46 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger wow, I like this much better than the original on TTT... thank you! what a treat to have a new Joni song filling the air today Mitch in NYC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:11:23 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger this version of Mars is SOOO much better, better harmonies, higher, prettier, why didnt she include this version orginally???? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:23:34 +0100 From: SYU-Shaun Yule Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters Any nick drake fans here? how about linda perhacs too? shaun www.myspace.com/domestication www.myspace.com/southernrecorddistributors On Wed, 9 May 2007, Em wrote: > Dave Carter was GOD. He was tapped into a main vein, I do believe. > Richard Shindell is nearly so. > otherwise, yeah, Dylan, Joni, Neil...Leonard Cohen (bigtime)... > Paul Simon...John Stewart... > more, but those come to mind immediately. > Hank Sr. > Em > > --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > > I think I asked a question before on here on who your favorite > > singers were. > > Well, I was wondering who are your favorite songwriters? You know, > > > > musicians that shine through their writing like no other? > > I remember seeing a list that people had voted on somewhere on > > the net. > > I think Dylan was #1 and Joni I believe was #9 or somewhere around > > there. > > Of course there have been a ton of lists like that but I mention > > this > > particular one because it was more recent and voted by actual people > > rather than a > > magazine or "judges" or whatever. > > Writing is very important so have at it. > > -Monika > > NP: Sweet Home Chicago- Robert Johnson > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:35:45 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger And it worked well when she went on tour and was able to reproduce that sound; she has to use the featherlight Parker guitar when she plays live. And she could have used some of the VG8's pallette to create a bigger variety of sound - it was responsible for those opening chimes in "Harlem in Havana" and is capable of so much more than she asked of it. I'm with you - I think you're right, and I'm eagerly anticipating it. And I also REALLY appreciated what Matt said yesterday about Joni not writing in terms of competing with herself - that was a great point. Bob NP: Amy Correia, "Carnival Love" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 07:13:30 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters No particular order here but these are the ones that come to mind in the first 15 minutes: John Lennon/Paul McCartney George Harrison Justin Hayward/John Lodge (Moody Blues) Jeff Lynne Paul Simon StevieWonder Joni Mitchell Gordon Lightfoot Ken Hensley Alan & Marilyn Bergman Rodney Crowell Vince Gill Bruce Springsteen (when other people cover his work) Chuck Berry Larry Williams Carl Perkins Jerry Lee Lewis Little Richard Mary Chapin Carpenter Bruce in Tucson >I think I asked a question before on here on who your favorite singers were. > Well, I was wondering who are your favorite songwriters? You know, >musicians that shine through their writing like no other? > I remember seeing a list that people had voted on somewhere on the net. >I think Dylan was #1 and Joni I believe was #9 or somewhere around there. >Of course there have been a ton of lists like that but I mention this >particular one because it was more recent and voted by actual people rather than a >magazine or "judges" or whatever. > Writing is very important so have at it. >-Monika >NP: Sweet Home Chicago- Robert Johnson > > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:15:43 +0100 From: SYU-Shaun Yule Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters she's an american singer-songwriter from the early 70s (i think) in a similar vein to joni but presumably took more drugs. lots of multi tracked vocals and stuff and on the title track of her album (parallelograms) about a minutes worth of weird noises echoing about before the song comes back in. highly recommended! www.myspace.com/domestication www.myspace.com/southernrecorddistributors On Wed, 9 May 2007, Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- SYU-Shaun Yule wrote: > > > Any nick drake fans here? how about linda perhacs > > too? > > > > shaun > > > > > > www.myspace.com/domestication > > www.myspace.com/southernrecorddistributors > > > > > > Nick Drake - yes! > > Linda P - haven't heard of her - tell me more! > > > Catherine > Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:46:43 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re:BDSM Basics, njc Bree wrote: > PLEASE!! PLEASE!! This is hurting!! > LOLLLLLLL ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:12:19 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters On May 9, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- SYU-Shaun Yule wrote: > >> Any nick drake fans here? how about linda perhacs >> too? >> >> shaun >> >> >> www.myspace.com/domestication >> www.myspace.com/southernrecorddistributors >> >> > > Nick Drake - yes! Nick Drake, of course!....how could I forget him? I even dedicated my first cd to him...lol Victor NP: Dave Matthews "Dancing Nancies" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:18:31 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: aquarium (njc) Since I'm out of school for a month I went by the Georgia Aquarium today. I usually like to go for just half an hour, before all the crowds/school groups come. It is so quiet and peaceful. I was especially captivated by the Beluga whales, and watched them swim about, like a water ballet. The tranquility sticks with you when you leave. Now if I can just get my apartment to be as smooth and peaceful looking as the coral reefs. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 09:25:44 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Joni and Buffy Last night I was looking at a book about Saskatchewan's centennial. There was a photo of a seated Joni taken during an interview at a Saskatoon radio station when she was just a pup, and then on the next page it said that Buffy St. Marie, also from this province, had "mentored" Joni. That's the first time I've heard that. Any truth to it? Kate ps Steve in SF: if you love cats, check out the book Why Cats Paint - -- it's a scream! - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 12:48:11 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters Here are my favorites: [in no particular order] - -Joni of course - -Lennon/McCartney & Lennon alone - -George Harrison - -Roger Waters & Gilmour/Waters - -Pete Townshend - -Neil Young - -Buddy Holly (he helped start it all man) - -Chuck Berry - -Bob Dylan - -Kurt Cobain (all problems aside, he could write afterall) Maybe somebody else but I can't think of anyone else at the moment. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:22:33 +0100 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters My favourite songwriters: Joni Mitchell Richard Thompson Laura Nyro Jane Siberry Kate Bush Bob Dylan Stevie Wonder Shawn Colvin Ron Sexsmith Tamara Williamson Richard Hawley Maria McKee Jill Sobule Paul Simon Nick Drake A few hundred others... Azeem in London On 5/9/07, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > Here are my favorites: [in no particular order] > -Joni of course > -Lennon/McCartney & Lennon alone > -George Harrison > -Roger Waters & Gilmour/Waters > -Pete Townshend > -Neil Young > -Buddy Holly (he helped start it all man) > -Chuck Berry > -Bob Dylan > -Kurt Cobain (all problems aside, he could write afterall) > > Maybe somebody else but I can't think of anyone else at the moment. > -Monika > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 10:40:26 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters Boy, there's a blast from the past!!! Thanks for the reminder. Had to pull out the old vinyl. The album came out in 1970. I see there's a rather pricey import CD available of it. Might be worth it if the mastering is decent... Bruce in Tucson >she's an american singer-songwriter from the early 70s (i think) in a >similar vein to joni but presumably took more drugs. lots of multi tracked >vocals and stuff and on the title track of her album (parallelograms) >about a minutes worth of weird noises echoing about before the song comes >back in. highly recommended! > > > > >www.myspace.com/domestication >www.myspace.com/southernrecorddistributors > > >On Wed, 9 May 2007, Catherine McKay wrote: > > > >>--- SYU-Shaun Yule wrote: >> >> >> >>>Any nick drake fans here? how about linda perhacs >>>too? >>> >>>shaun >>> >>> >>>www.myspace.com/domestication >>>www.myspace.com/southernrecorddistributors >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Nick Drake - yes! >> >>Linda P - haven't heard of her - tell me more! >> >> >>Catherine >>Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters as far as making the list of songwriters - sheesh, there are so very many! but what I did when I made mine, was include the ones I could think of who really have, if not several, at least say 2 solid CD's worth of absolutely mindblowing songs. Not just good, not just ok, not just really decent....but phenomenal, stellar, mind altering, possibly life changing material. And I left a couple off! as I saw from some of your lists! :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:42:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: NJC yet, Songwriters My fave songwriters aside from Joni ~ Can absolutely change in a week's time. Laura Nyro Tom Waits Julia Fordham Michael Franks Jimmy Webb Rickie Lee Jones David Frishberg Ani DiFranco Sara Hickman Bob Dorough Andrew Bird Thomas Dybdahl Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Frank LoCrasto - Jaded Brotherhood - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 16:55:45 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Bjork NJC While listening to some Joni YouTube this morning - I noticed a version of Bjork's Boho Dance which I listened to and really liked. That raised my curiosity level as Icontinued listening to a bunch of Bjork's other vids out on YouTube and about 90 mins later - I was really rather smitten with her music. I own nothing by her currently but would like to buy a good starter CD - nothing too bizarre to begin with - any recommendations? thanks.... - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:51:46 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Fire and no rain (njc) Thanks Victor and Jerry for your good thoughts. I think they helped. Mostly just a lot of smoke at this point. It looked so terrible out my window last night but I heard today that they probably used the event for an excuse to set some controlled burns (which is very hard to do here anymore because of air quality regulations). Also, although my local news reported 5,000 acres burned (bigger than the entire park!) it was "only" around 600 acres. The zoo animals and structures are fine although have effects from the smoke. Still in all it got the old martini glass working last night for awhile ;-) I can't believe the fires in Georgia and Florida! It made me choke just reading about them! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 01:11:12 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Man From Mars acoustic paino GOMH soundtrack For those of you who haven't yet heard this little beauty... http://download.yousendit.com/C89D5BEA1BB51416 I figure that this and Two Grey Rooms were Joni'ss last two great compositions for piano. Shine may well have new ones to add to this list. Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ New Windows Live Hotmail is here. Upgrade for free and get a better look. www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA150 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:04:47 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC yet, Songwriters Joni John Lennon George Harrison Bob Dylan Pete Townshend Jimi Hendrix Fiona Apple Stevie Wonder Dan Hicks Peter Green Jobim Shelby Lynne Paul Simon Tom Petty Christine McVie Garcia/Hunter Pink Floyd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 04:20:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: Bjork NJC I agree with Catherine's recommendations. Selmasongs may be an acquired taste at this point (although liking Bjork's music is in itself an acquired taste) but since you said you spent 90 minutes or so of Bjork-watching on youtube, then you may already have a good sampling of her music. Personally I am digging this album she released in Iceland called Gling-Glo where she is backed by the Gudmundsar Ingolfssonar (not sure of the spelling but I think I gave the idea of the trio that backed her). It is really of the highest caliber and the sound quality is top notch. The syncopation, the jazz dirt, the suavely swung numbers -- pure delight. She also sang an Icelandic-language version of "Sway" as well as Irving Berlin's "You Cant Get A Man with a Gun", plus Jerome Kern's "Cant Help Loving That Man" -- the only song sung in English. But Debut is also one of the most stunning debut albums in my opinion. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Kate Bush - The Fog Catherine McKay a icrit : That raised my > curiosity level as Icontinued listening to a bunch > of Bjork's other vids > out on YouTube and about 90 mins later - I was > really rather smitten with > her music. I own nothing by her currently but would > like to buy a good > starter CD - nothing too bizarre to begin with - any > recommendations? > thanks.... > Post, Homogenic or Verspertine. There's a lot of good stuff on all three and nothing too weird - but that depends on how you describe weird - heh heh. Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 01:00:34 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Thoughts on DJRD (long) Well I have given Don Juan's Reckless Daughter my normal "3 times listen" (and more actually listening to certain songs or grabbing it to take in my car) so I figure I can give an opinion on it now. First off, I had no expectations on how this album was going to sound or what it should be or shouldn't be. I've learned by now that every Joni album is so different from the last one and the others. It really amazes me how different all the albums really are and how they all have their own "tone" or have a certain "mood." It's all so very diverse and this album in particular is very......abstract in its nature. I mean, this is no "folk" album and this is not Hejira #2. Amazing. Song by song review: 1. Overture/Cotton Avenue: I really do enjoy the overture. How many guitars are on that? It can't be just one. And I really like Jaco's thunderous bass note right before the actual song begins. Overall, I like the song. It has a sort of laidback, old timey R&B feel to it. 2. Talk To Me: Oh, I love this song. It's definitely one of my favorites. I love Joni's singing and guitar on it. It has such a loopy rhythm and it definitely is a good example of Joni's sense of humor on the one part. You know the part. My favorite part of it though is towards the end when she sings, "oooh, talk to me, oooh." Love that singing! 3. Jericho: I liked this song when I heard it on MOA and I still like it. The lines about "how hard it is to make and keep a friend" are probably some of my favorite Joni lyrics. I miss the drumming though from the MOA version. They're a bit different here but not enough to make me not like the song or anything like that. 4. Paprika Plains: Wow. What an ambitious piece to do. I call it a piece because it's more than just a song. The piano is particularly interesting here as it goes from sounding pretty to sounding dark and ominous and back again. However, I think I need more time to absorb this song. There is so much going on and so little at the same time. Now the 16 minutes thing doesn't turn me off as one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs runs 23 minutes. That's all well but I think I'm missing something here. I need to find out what that is though. 5. Otis and Marlena: First off, what a pretty vocal melody. That's what first got me. The second thing to get me is one part of the chord progression that is very pleasing to my ears anyhow. I like this track. 6. The Tenth World: Hmm, at first I said I could do without this song. But now for some strange reason I will listen to about 4 minutes of it. After about 4 minutes I skip on to the next song. This song makes me want to join a drum circle though. And what is everyone saying in this song? Has anyone ever translated it? This is probably one of the strangest songs I have ever heard and most definitely the strangest Joni Mitchell song. 7. Dreamland: Ah, I enjoy this song. I have a version of this song with guitar on it so this was definitely interesting to hear. I give Joni credit on recording a song with just vocals and percussion. It works in a very original sense. I don't enjoy Chaka Khan's wailing away in the background though. However, the song to me is strong enough to overcome that. 8. DJRD: This is definitely another favorite of mine from the album. There is so much going on here in the lyrical sense. Listen to all those images! Listen to Joni intertwining ideas you would never imagine could go together. How did she think of all that? The Eagle, the Serpent. Tell me that isn't great? I happen to love the line "as we rock between the sheets." 9. Off Night Backstreet: What a striking guitar riff this opens up with! It completely hooks you into the song. This is another favorite from the album. There's just something to it that BEGS you to listen to it and understand what Joni is talking about. I get it. 10. The Silky Veils Of Ardor: Another favorite! And may I say what a PERFECT ENDING to the album!?! I just love everything about this song---the singing, the beautiful guitar, the lyrics, the tone! I said everything and I mean it. This song is a hidden gem man. I love the lyrics about young men being like stars....being there only at night and gone in the day. What a thought! I like how this song is sort of a warning to girls actively looking for love from someone who has been through it all and knows the pitfalls as well as the highs. It's sort of a "mature" song. I like that perspective. Well, overall I like the album but can understand why some would have been baffled back in '77 when it came out. I mean if you thought of Joni Mitchell only as the girl who writes love songs or sings only about her own troubles...well I could understand being overwhelmed. But by 1977 I would have thought that that number of people who "lost" Joni would have understood she goes her own way. Folk singer, no. You can't expect something from her because of her musical curiosity and her fearlessness to pave new trails. Anyway, I like the album. I still think of it as an "abstract" album that takes you on an almost whimsical journey. DJRD is to Joni Mitchell as the White Album is to the Beatles. That's how I think of it in terms of the experimentation. - -Monika NP: Weather channel easy listening music as that channel is on my tv in the background, haha ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 02:44:57 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Thoughts on DJRD (long) DJRD was one of my Christmas presents back in 77.....I was only five...but I seemed to like the beat. ;-) Anyway..Monika...a very nice presentation on your part. I find today...can't remember 77.....djrd a very meaty..grizzly masterpiece. I was watching this thing on Jackson Polluck...what a mess ... his art works...but apparently it worked. And he was the first to kind of do that drizzle ..drazzle..drops of paint on canvas. Djrd is sort of like that to me. Bree >Well I have given Don Juan's Reckless Daughter my normal "3 times listen" >(and more actually listening to certain songs or grabbing it to take in my >car) >so I figure I can give an opinion on it now. First off, I had no >expectations on how this album was going to sound or what it should be or >shouldn't be. > I've learned by now that every Joni album is so different from the last >one and the others. It really amazes me how different all the albums >really >are and how they all have their own "tone" or have a certain "mood." It's >all >so very diverse and this album in particular is very......abstract in its >nature. I mean, this is no "folk" album and this is not Hejira #2. >Amazing. > Song by song review: > >1. Overture/Cotton Avenue: I really do enjoy the overture. How many >guitars >are on that? It can't be just one. And I really like Jaco's thunderous >bass note right before the actual song begins. Overall, I like the song. >It >has a sort of laidback, old timey R&B feel to it. >2. Talk To Me: Oh, I love this song. It's definitely one of my favorites. >I love Joni's singing and guitar on it. It has such a loopy rhythm and it >definitely is a good example of Joni's sense of humor on the one part. >You >know the part. My favorite part of it though is towards the end when she >sings, >"oooh, talk to me, oooh." Love that singing! >3. Jericho: I liked this song when I heard it on MOA and I still like it. >The lines about "how hard it is to make and keep a friend" are probably >some >of my favorite Joni lyrics. I miss the drumming though from the MOA >version. > They're a bit different here but not enough to make me not like the song >or >anything like that. >4. Paprika Plains: Wow. What an ambitious piece to do. I call it a piece >because it's more than just a song. The piano is particularly interesting >here as it goes from sounding pretty to sounding dark and ominous and back >again. However, I think I need more time to absorb this song. There is >so much >going on and so little at the same time. Now the 16 minutes thing doesn't >turn me off as one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs runs 23 minutes. >That's all >well but I think I'm missing something here. I need to find out what that >is >though. >5. Otis and Marlena: First off, what a pretty vocal melody. That's what >first got me. The second thing to get me is one part of the chord >progression >that is very pleasing to my ears anyhow. I like this track. >6. The Tenth World: Hmm, at first I said I could do without this song. >But >now for some strange reason I will listen to about 4 minutes of it. After >about 4 minutes I skip on to the next song. This song makes me want to >join a >drum circle though. And what is everyone saying in this song? Has anyone >ever translated it? This is probably one of the strangest songs I have >ever >heard and most definitely the strangest Joni Mitchell song. >7. Dreamland: Ah, I enjoy this song. I have a version of this song with >guitar on it so this was definitely interesting to hear. I give Joni >credit on >recording a song with just vocals and percussion. It works in a very >original sense. I don't enjoy Chaka Khan's wailing away in the background >though. >However, the song to me is strong enough to overcome that. >8. DJRD: This is definitely another favorite of mine from the album. >There >is so much going on here in the lyrical sense. Listen to all those >images! >Listen to Joni intertwining ideas you would never imagine could go >together. >How did she think of all that? The Eagle, the Serpent. Tell me that >isn't >great? I happen to love the line "as we rock between the sheets." >9. Off Night Backstreet: What a striking guitar riff this opens up with! >It completely hooks you into the song. This is another favorite from the >album. There's just something to it that BEGS you to listen to it and >understand >what Joni is talking about. I get it. >10. The Silky Veils Of Ardor: Another favorite! And may I say what a >PERFECT ENDING to the album!?! I just love everything about this >song---the >singing, the beautiful guitar, the lyrics, the tone! I said everything >and I mean >it. This song is a hidden gem man. I love the lyrics about young men >being >like stars....being there only at night and gone in the day. What a >thought! > I like how this song is sort of a warning to girls actively looking for >love from someone who has been through it all and knows the pitfalls as >well as >the highs. It's sort of a "mature" song. I like that perspective. > > Well, overall I like the album but can understand why some would have >been baffled back in '77 when it came out. I mean if you thought of Joni >Mitchell only as the girl who writes love songs or sings only about her >own >troubles...well I could understand being overwhelmed. But by 1977 I would >have >thought that that number of people who "lost" Joni would have understood >she >goes her own way. Folk singer, no. You can't expect something from her >because >of her musical curiosity and her fearlessness to pave new trails. > Anyway, I like the album. I still think of it as an "abstract" album >that takes you on an almost whimsical journey. DJRD is to Joni Mitchell >as the >White Album is to the Beatles. That's how I think of it in terms of the >experimentation. >-Monika >NP: Weather channel easy listening music as that channel is on my tv in >the >background, haha > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #189 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------