From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #187 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 8 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 187 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: BDSM Basics - njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] SV: Joni on albums ["Marion Leffler" ] ani difranco: album recommendations (NJC) [ben ben ] Re: njc VW bug [Em ] Tom Rush songbook (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: BDSM Basics - njc ["Cassy" ] RE : ani difranco: album recommendations (NJC) [Joseph Palis ] Re: BDSM Basics - njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Subject: njc bright star [Victor Johnson ] Re: BDSM Basics - njc ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Re: BDSM Basics - njc [Victor Johnson ] Re: ani difranco: album recommendations (NJC) [Bob Muller ] setlists, jonifest, plus more about taming the tiger ["patrick leader" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:15:40 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: BDSM Basics - njc what about feathers and moxie ..moxie..something.....still needing to arm...? >>BDSM can involve activities as simple as the use of hot candle wax or >>spanking >>and get as complicated as breath control, cutting, the use of needles, >>electricity and fire play. I wrote this basic synopsis last year for a >>friend >>of mine who was curious about what I'm involved in. > >I think this kind of stuff should be left off this list! PLEASE!! >PLEASE!! This is hurting!! Most people here are normal....and we like >the norm. Mother McCreary..what would me mother think from heaven above? > >BUT..BUT.I am curious about the waxing....could you explain a little? Only >because I need to arm myself with knowledge about the underworld..that is >creeping in the overworld. > >Bree > >PS. Do these segments or situations ever creep into real life...outside >of the bedroom? > > >' >>It is a form of love in which one controls and the other surrenders >>willingly, >>not forcefully. In this lifestyle there is no proper or correct way for a >>relationship to be lived, there are as many ways to live this lifestyle as >>there are individuals living it. Each couple agrees about what is the most >>comfortable for both of them. >> >>The Dominant has the duty to lead his submissive, to love and to honor her >>and >>to never harm her in any manner and most of all to protect her. The >>submissive has the responsibility to serve and to honor her Master. The >>details as to how each relationship is lived is between the two of them >>and >>negotiations are very important. >> >>(** Note I use masculine gender for the Top/Master/Dom and female for the >>bottom/sub/slave but that each relationship has it's own dynamics >>regarding >>gender) >> >>The principal difference in the three lifestyles is pain and humiliation. >>In >>the D/s lifestyle control by the use of pain or humiliation doesn't >>usually >>occur. The control is relinquished by the submissive willingly to the >>Dominant. The Dominant controls by voice or minor punishment. Punishment >>can >>be given for misdeeds or failure to obey; warmth is given for correct >>deeds. >>This is an important thing to remember because acknowledgment for deeds >>done >>well is a good positive reinforcement and it's human nature to want that >>reinforcement. >> >> >>In the Bondage and Discipline lifestyle, punishment is more severe, but >>within >>the preset limits of the couple. Rewards are still given for deeds well >>done. >>In B&D, pain may be used a tool for correcting improper actions, and no >>injury >>should ever occur. >> >>In Sadism and Masochism pain becomes an integral part of the play. It is >>pain >>for sexual delight. When orgasm is obtained through any form of pain it >>then >>becomes S&M. >> >>The above descriptions show how easily the boundaries can be crossed. Let >>say >>that one enjoys the spanking to a point of orgasm, then that falls under >>S&M. >>Usually though, the practice of S&M entails a much higher pain infliction >>that >>leads to sexual release. >> >>Limits >> >>When we speak of BDSM we must also speak about limits. Limits are agreed >>upon >>prior to the start of any part of this lifestyle. All parties involved >>must >>adhere to these limits. The submissive submitted and trusted the Dominant >>based upon the belief that these limits will not be exceeded. They must >>never >>be exceeded under any circumstances, without discussion between the two >>parties. Mutual respect and trust is of the utmost in this life style. >> >> >>When mutual trust disappears, the parties should probably dissolve the >>relationship, or someone may get hurt. At any given time either party may >>dissolve this relationship. >> >> >>It is common to fill out a checklist (if anyone is interested in reading >>one >>write me offlist and I can provide a copy) prior to negotiating. Each >>partner >>fills one out and then they meet for discussion and negotiation. There >>are >>items on the checklist that one might never discuss under other >>circumstances >>and that need to be discussed when setting limits for this type of >>relationship. Checklists can be useful tools to enhance one's level of >>communication and ultimately enhance one's relationship. >> >>Safe Words >> >>To protect the limits discussed above, the use of safe words comes into >>play. >>When the safe word is used the action stops immediately and the action is >>discussed. Under no circumstances can the action continue unless mutually >>agreed upon. Should the action continue without the permission of the >>other >>then it is no longer a loving relationship but one of force. >> >>Many use a safe word of choice when a submissive is under stress for any >>reason, the safe word can be any word which would not normally be spoken >>during play so there can be no mistaking it's use. In many public forums >>there >>are "universal" safe words - Green (everything is cool) - Yellow (I need a >>minute to regroup) - Red (this activity must stop immediately). >> >>Understand that choosing to utilize the safe word does not reflect a >>failure >>by either partner. It's a time for mutual understanding and love. >> >>Although the submissive relinquishes control to the Dominant, the Dominant >>must continue to earn the respect and trust of the submissive. Arbitrary >>punishment will cause the loss of respect and trust. And the lack of >>rewards >>can also lose that respect and trust. >> >>As you can see from this VERY basic information, the submissive has the >>ability to stop the scene at any time it becomes too much. It would be >>considered "abuse" if the sub asks for play to stop and it were to >>continue >>beyond their acceptance level. Whether BD, D/s or the S&M scene are >>chosen, >>safety and protection are always the mainstays of this lifestyle. Remember >>that this is a lifestyle of love, honor and trust. >> >> >> >>This is only MY perception of the life I live and love, I hope it's been >>helpful. This is just a quick thumbnail, there is SO much more but, >>honestly, >>I haven't the time to write a whole new book here - lol. There are several >>really good books already available on the market that I suggest you look >>into >>if you really are interested in learning more. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. >http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 23:20:00 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni on albums Thank you Mark, for your encouragement! Looking for info on JoniMitchell.com is fun but it takes time and you have to know what you are looking for (of course at the same time you discover many things you werent looking for). Anyhow, its actually more gratifying to ask on this list, since people here will give you surplus information, which is great. And you get an opinion, too. Its always more fun to have a conversation than just to look things up. And if I do look things up I usually would like to discuss them with somebody  again, the list is a great place to go. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Mark-Leon Thorne Skickat: den 7 maj 2007 11:09 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Joni on albums ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:32:26 -0400 From: ben ben Subject: ani difranco: album recommendations (NJC) Hello, Are there any Ani DiFranco enthusiasts here, who would have an opinion as to her finest/most seminal albums? I know reveling/ reckoning; otherwise, a neophyte. Thank You, Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:03:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc VW bug After my green '71 MGB, I had an orange '73 Super Beetle with the passenger seat removed and the back seat bottom removed. Used it to deliver newspapers and with only the driver's seat, it was a decent tiny little "van". Wasn't my 1st tho. That honor went to a '65 Rambler American. Not an attractive automobile - on any level. :) Em > From: "Marianne Rizzo" > > <<< My first car was a red VW bug. I loved it and so did all my > friends. >>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:11:33 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Tom Rush songbook (njc) For anyone who's interested, I'm selling a Tom Rush songbook on Ebay, Wrong End of the Rainbow. http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29296-2357-0? uid=21406345&site=0&ver=LCA080805&item=320111905542&lk=URL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:14:48 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: BDSM Basics - njc From: "Bree Mcdonough" <<< I think this kind of stuff should be left off this list! PLEASE!! PLEASE!! This is hurting!! Most people here are normal....and we like the norm. >>> How unfortunate that while a myriad of topics including homosexuality, politics, killing people and war are perfectly acceptable here, my answer to a question from another member of this list is unacceptable. I do not judge other people's proclivities, what a shame that mine are not only judged but also to be censored. I cannot ever once recall responding to anyone's post with an insulting remark insinuating that they are not "normal" because of their lifestyle choice or political beliefs. I am capable of hitting the delete button when a topic comes up which doesn't interest me, I don't find it necessary to insult those who have posted and tell them to stop because their words hurt me or I disagree with them. I will not discuss this further and I will rethink how much I want to participate in future. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 00:19:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : ani difranco: album recommendations (NJC) Hi Ben, I am an Ani DiFranco fan/enthusiast like most people here in the List. No doubt you will be hearing from them in an hour or so. It is difficult for me to single out a seminal album by Ani because like most artists with a vast oeuvre she is indeed 32 flavors and then some. Having said that, you may want to investigate her earlier stuff via Ani DiFranco, Not So Soft, Puddle Dive, Not A Pretty Girl. These albums coupled by her DIY ethos gained her some attention, acclaim and respect. The lyrics invigoratingly incorporate her dislike for corporatism, heteronormativity and the commodification of anything. The lyrics speak about her intensely personal relationships with people and institutions and ideas. Like I Said is a good album to get a sample of her early years and her very particular way of singing (some say mannered, others say eccentric). Her later works are also to be savored in layers. I particularly liked Little Plastic Castle and To The Teeth. Buth albums are different in musical conception yet are both similar in terms of the song craft that people have come to associate with Ani. Her live albums always captured her inexhaustible supplies of energy and inventiveness. But I am sure you already know that. Joseph in windy Chapel Hill np: Chris Connor - You Don't Know What Love Is ben ben a icrit : Hello, Are there any Ani DiFranco enthusiasts here, who would have an opinion as to her finest/most seminal albums? I know reveling/ reckoning; otherwise, a neophyte. Thank You, Ben - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:06:32 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: njc bright star I looked up last night's sky at skytonight.com, using Dayton, OH and 9PM. It was Venus. Venus is usually the brightest object after the sun and moon. Sometimes a space shuttle is as bright as Venus but it moves more quickly. Jim L. Marianne Rizzo asked, >Did anyone happen to see the brightest star in the westward sky last night? It was magnificent. I wonder what it is...> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 18:58:04 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: BDSM Basics - njc Cassy...I was joking!! I'm sorry. My sister tried to tell me that you wouldn't find this funny... the reason..because you don't know my humor. No sarcasm or anything meant...just my dumb humor. I apologize...strictly off the cuff at my attempt at being humorous. I like your posts...no matter the content. Sorry again.. Bree ..hink this kind of stuff should be left off this list! >PLEASE!! PLEASE!! This is hurting!! Most people here are normal....and >we like the norm. >>> > >How unfortunate that while a myriad of topics including homosexuality, >politics, killing people and war are perfectly acceptable here, my answer >to a question from another member of this list is unacceptable. I do not >judge other people's proclivities, what a shame that mine are not only >judged but also to be censored. > >I cannot ever once recall responding to anyone's post with an insulting >remark insinuating that they are not "normal" because of their lifestyle >choice or political beliefs. I am capable of hitting the delete button >when a topic comes up which doesn't interest me, I don't find it necessary >to insult those who have posted and tell them to stop because their words >hurt me or I disagree with them. > >I will not discuss this further and I will rethink how much I want to >participate in future. >Cassy > _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 19:16:05 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Subject: njc bright star "Counting stars by candlelight, all are dim but one is bright; The spiral light of venus, rising first and shining best, On, from the northwest corner, of a brand new crescent moon, While crickets and cicadas sing, a rare and different tune, Terrapin station." Robert Hunter - Terrapin Station On May 7, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I looked up last night's sky at skytonight.com, using Dayton, OH > and 9PM. It > was Venus. Venus is usually the brightest object after the sun and > moon. > Sometimes a space shuttle is as bright as Venus but it moves more > quickly. > > Jim L. > > Marianne Rizzo asked, >> Did anyone happen to see the brightest star in the westward sky >> last night? > It was magnificent. I wonder what it is...> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:35:04 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: BDSM Basics - njc I think making judgements about who is and who isn't 'normal' should be left off the list. Far more offensive. Jenny On 5/7/07, Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > >BDSM can involve activities as simple as the use of hot candle wax or > >spanking > >and get as complicated as breath control, cutting, the use of needles, > >electricity and fire play. I wrote this basic synopsis last year for a > >friend > >of mine who was curious about what I'm involved in. > > I think this kind of stuff should be left off this > list! PLEASE!! PLEASE!! > This is hurting!! Most people here are normal....and we like the norm. > Mother McCreary..what would me mother think from heaven above? > > BUT..BUT.I am curious about the waxing....could you explain a > little? Only > because I need to arm myself with knowledge about the underworld..that is > creeping in the overworld. > > Bree > > PS. Do these segments or situations ever creep into real life...outside > of > the bedroom? > > > ' > >It is a form of love in which one controls and the other surrenders > >willingly, > >not forcefully. In this lifestyle there is no proper or correct way for a > >relationship to be lived, there are as many ways to live this lifestyle > as > >there are individuals living it. Each couple agrees about what is the > most > >comfortable for both of them. > > > >The Dominant has the duty to lead his submissive, to love and to honor > her > >and > >to never harm her in any manner and most of all to protect her. The > >submissive has the responsibility to serve and to honor her Master. The > >details as to how each relationship is lived is between the two of them > and > >negotiations are very important. > > > >(** Note I use masculine gender for the Top/Master/Dom and female for the > >bottom/sub/slave but that each relationship has it's own dynamics > regarding > >gender) > > > >The principal difference in the three lifestyles is pain and humiliation. > >In > >the D/s lifestyle control by the use of pain or humiliation doesn't > usually > >occur. The control is relinquished by the submissive willingly to the > >Dominant. The Dominant controls by voice or minor punishment. Punishment > >can > >be given for misdeeds or failure to obey; warmth is given for correct > >deeds. > >This is an important thing to remember because acknowledgment for deeds > >done > >well is a good positive reinforcement and it's human nature to want that > >reinforcement. > > > > > >In the Bondage and Discipline lifestyle, punishment is more severe, but > >within > >the preset limits of the couple. Rewards are still given for deeds well > >done. > >In B&D, pain may be used a tool for correcting improper actions, and no > >injury > >should ever occur. > > > >In Sadism and Masochism pain becomes an integral part of the play. It is > >pain > >for sexual delight. When orgasm is obtained through any form of pain it > >then > >becomes S&M. > > > >The above descriptions show how easily the boundaries can be crossed. Let > >say > >that one enjoys the spanking to a point of orgasm, then that falls under > >S&M. > >Usually though, the practice of S&M entails a much higher pain infliction > >that > >leads to sexual release. > > > >Limits > > > >When we speak of BDSM we must also speak about limits. Limits are agreed > >upon > >prior to the start of any part of this lifestyle. All parties involved > must > >adhere to these limits. The submissive submitted and trusted the Dominant > >based upon the belief that these limits will not be exceeded. They must > >never > >be exceeded under any circumstances, without discussion between the two > >parties. Mutual respect and trust is of the utmost in this life style. > > > > > >When mutual trust disappears, the parties should probably dissolve the > >relationship, or someone may get hurt. At any given time either party may > >dissolve this relationship. > > > > > >It is common to fill out a checklist (if anyone is interested in reading > >one > >write me offlist and I can provide a copy) prior to negotiating. Each > >partner > >fills one out and then they meet for discussion and negotiation. There > are > >items on the checklist that one might never discuss under other > >circumstances > >and that need to be discussed when setting limits for this type of > >relationship. Checklists can be useful tools to enhance one's level of > >communication and ultimately enhance one's relationship. > > > >Safe Words > > > >To protect the limits discussed above, the use of safe words comes into > >play. > >When the safe word is used the action stops immediately and the action is > >discussed. Under no circumstances can the action continue unless mutually > >agreed upon. Should the action continue without the permission of the > other > >then it is no longer a loving relationship but one of force. > > > >Many use a safe word of choice when a submissive is under stress for any > >reason, the safe word can be any word which would not normally be spoken > >during play so there can be no mistaking it's use. In many public forums > >there > >are "universal" safe words - Green (everything is cool) - Yellow (I need > a > >minute to regroup) - Red (this activity must stop immediately). > > > >Understand that choosing to utilize the safe word does not reflect a > >failure > >by either partner. It's a time for mutual understanding and love. > > > >Although the submissive relinquishes control to the Dominant, the > Dominant > >must continue to earn the respect and trust of the submissive. Arbitrary > >punishment will cause the loss of respect and trust. And the lack of > >rewards > >can also lose that respect and trust. > > > >As you can see from this VERY basic information, the submissive has the > >ability to stop the scene at any time it becomes too much. It would be > >considered "abuse" if the sub asks for play to stop and it were to > continue > >beyond their acceptance level. Whether BD, D/s or the S&M scene are > chosen, > >safety and protection are always the mainstays of this lifestyle. > Remember > >that this is a lifestyle of love, honor and trust. > > > > > > > >This is only MY perception of the life I live and love, I hope it's been > >helpful. This is just a quick thumbnail, there is SO much more but, > >honestly, > >I haven't the time to write a whole new book here - lol. There are > several > >really good books already available on the market that I suggest you look > >into > >if you really are interested in learning more. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:06:58 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: BDSM Basics - njc I second that but I also think judgements about someone based on their political beliefs should also be left off the list. Victor On May 7, 2007, at 6:35 PM, Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > I think making judgements about who is and who isn't 'normal' > should be left > off the list. Far more offensive. > > Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 19:13:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: ani difranco: album recommendations (NJC) Howdy Ben, My first Ani was "To The Teeth" and I think it's an amazing record - you can't go wrong with it, such a plethora of musical colors. Little Plastic Castles is another one you must own, and Out of Range is up there too. Of her latest work, "Knuckle Down" is a favorite. While I have and enjoy her entire catalogue, I like her work with a band as opposed to just her playing solo. BUT her lyrics are so wonderful that I glean something from all her albums and I'm sure you will too. Happy hunting! Bob NP: Nyle Frank, "The Circle Game" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:29:31 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Two Joni Tributes Hi, all, I had emailed some close friends who live in Skaneateles, NY, about the The Skaneateles Area Arts Council presentation of "A Tribute to Joni Mitchell: A Concert by Maria De Angelis and Friends" on Saturday, April 28 at 8 pm at the First Presbyterian Church in Skaneateles. He just wrote to me to say, "Grace and I went to that Joni Mitchell tribute by Maria De Angelis and Friends. It was OK but we couldn't help be reminded of how great Joni's voice is in comparison to other people's trying to do her music." And, since posting my displeasure with the Sufjan Stevens' cover of "Free Man In Paris", on the new CD, I checked the online site where you can hear sound bytes of all the songs; unfortunately, some are just too short to really get a true impression. Last Friday, however, WFUV did an "Under The Covers" set of Joni songs, as covered by other artists, and it included two off the new tribute album. I heard Sarah McLachlan's "Blue" and k.d. Lang's "Help Me", and I thought they were very well done. Kenny B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 21:46:12 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: njc VW bug Marianne, I love the threads you start. They're so much fun! My first car was a Mercury Montego - '74, I think. It was sort of a grandpa car, but that's because it WAS my grandpa's car. He sold it to me for 100 bucks on my 18th bday. Gramps was a big time cigar smoker, so I had to scrub down the interior with Pine Sol; yet a hint of Dutch Master's still persisted. I could not get rid of the smell completely. Like in Seinfeld's smelly car, a priest was probably required to get rid of the odor - (tee hee). Still it was a good car. My ex-husband had an expensive obsession with fixing up the bodies of old muscle cars, so when my Montego needed a cheap part, my ex pounced on the opportunity to trade it in for a '66 Barracuda he had been eyeballing at the time. This was only the beginning. My next cars were: '68 Camaro '?? Tempest 67 Firebird '69 Firebird '67 Camaro '67 Firebird '70 Camaro '66 Mustang blah blah blah ...you get the point. He'd trade cars just to get a set of new wheels for a new project thinking it's an investment that will pay off. Completely laughable! Sure the cars looked nice and it was fun getting attention, but this hobby was a financial train wreck. And mechanically, the cars were crap. No fun breaking down in the middle of nowhere with a baby in the car seat and no money to boot. I finally bought a used Toyota Celica and got myself a divorce. I've never been richer. Have stayed with Toyota and Honda ever since.... with no problems. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 00:20:34 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: setlists, jonifest, plus more about taming the tiger hey adriano- my set was: 1) night ride home, with sue mac on guitar 2) crazy cries of love, with les ross on guitar i also participated in nickey's set, which i think was: 1) time after time (lauper), nickey and me, with sue mac on guitar 2) true colors (lauper), nickey, with the crowd on the choruses 3) big yellow taxi, with half the county on stage after i got back from jonifest, i loaded the albums 'night ride home' and 'ttt' on my ipod, and have been listening a lot to both of them, and loving them. actually, after one complete listen, i reduced ttt to five songs (i also have the much better, unreleased version of 'man from mars' on my 'pod). listening to 'crazy cries' and thinking about this endless debate about her voice, young and now old, i just experienced again how amazing her phrasing has become. yeah, if you listen now, hoping to hear the high clear notes we fell in love with, you'll be disappointed. but if you listen to joni for what she has now... maybe it's me getting comfortable with getting older. i didn't chip in on the age thread, but i'll be 49 next month. i'm still goofy and kidlike, but i love getting older... my deepening perspective on and appreciation of the world. i really really love the song 'taming the tiger', everything about it, the melody, the guitar chords, every single lyric. one of the people who came to jonifest was a jazz writer named michelle mercer (mike pritchard, les irvin, michelle and i took a great snowy hike up the mountain saturday morning). michelle wrote a book about wayne shorter, which i just got from amazon. haven't read the whole book; i cheated and read the joni parts, but i also read about wayne shorter's wife, ana maria, who died in the flight 800 crash after they had 26 years together. i'd known that the line from 'taming the tiger': "...a plane went blinking by and i thought of anna, wild and dear like fireworks in the sky. fireworks in the sky..." was about ana maria, though the first name is spelled different. i came across this in the bio, in the section about her death. "Tina Turner called Wayne to offer her condolences. 'She did it, didn't she?" Tina said. 'She left in the greatest array of light. She went with the whole spectrum.' Tina was acknowledging the Buddhist belief that death is the moment when the true self emerges. In Ana's defining moment of self, the plane went up in a blaze. With Wayne's unique perspective on death, the very explosion of the plane was a consolation to him." (from 'footprints', 2004, michelle mercer) and joni took a moment, when people she loved made something beautiful out of mourning, and she made a beautiful moment in a beautiful, sad, humorous, rueful and wise song. patrick jfp - tori amos, crucify ep, with 'angie', 'smells like teen spirit' and 'thank you' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:08:06 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Re:Stevens' FMIP tribute I heard it for the first time today (on the radio). I thought it was horrible and idiotic. My first thought was that he was too lazy to learn the real chords. It's not the same song at all. He just emo'd it all to hell. Just terrible. RR From: "Garret" >I really like Sufjan's FMIP and LOVE Bjork's Boho Dance. Just thought > i'd share that. Some of the other cuts (Dreamland for example) do not > work for me at all. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #187 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------