From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #186 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, May 7 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 186 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on albums [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Taming the Tiger [Garret ] Re:Stevens' FMIP tribute [Garret ] Fwd: NJC Patti SMITH on 'The Tonight Show' [Garret ] TORN, totally NJC but worth the look.. you will laugh [Lucy Hone ] Re: Joni on albums [Catherine McKay ] BDSM Basics - njc ["Cassy" ] Re: Joni on albums [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni on albums [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni on albums ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] SV: Taming the Tiger ["Marion Leffler" ] RE: Joni on albums ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Joni on albums ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Joni on albums now njc [Em ] njc VW bug ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Crown and Anchor not particularly JC ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Joni on albums [Motitan@aol.com] Re: VW bug ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Four Dead in Ohio -- 37 years ago ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: njc VW bug ["Cassy" ] Re: njc First Car ["Snatch N. Grabster" ] Baez not allowed to sing for soldiers at Walter Reed NJC ["Patti Parlett] RE: BDSM Basics - njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 19:09:19 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni on albums Anybody needing information about Joni and her music have the opportunity to search the jonimitchell.com web site just as any inquiries made in a conversation could be arrested by simply doing your own research. So, why bother having a conversation at all? Why bother discussing Joni when you can just look everything up? Marion and Monika, you can find a lot of fascinating information at jonimitchell.com (including some fabulous wallpapers) but I'm happy to discuss any topic you might raise regarding anything Joni. If I can't contribute, I'll keep quiet. Marion, I wasn't aware that Joni had been mentioned in a James Mitchener novel. I have never read any of his works but it is interesting nonetheless. I have been curious about the movie you mentioned and I will now watch it on your recommendation. Monika, being a true fanatic, I have been searching for music that Joni has contributed to for some time. You may recall that I talked recently about the Tom Scott piece called, Love Poem. I have the song because I'd heard that Joni contributed some vocals to it. Her vocals are very subtle but the piece is lovely anyway. There was also mention of the Joan Baez song, Dida. It's also a lovely song yet dated. There is also a song by Dan Fogelberg that I tracked down called, Nexus that Joni supposedly sang on but she is part of the a group of singer and hard to distinguish. Same goes for two songs by David Crosby - Laughing and What Are Their Names. Apart from the early contributions Joni made to James Taylor and Carole King, my favourite Joni contribution to another artist's music was, Seal's song, If I could. It is more of a duet with separate vocals for Joni. I had already been a fan of Seal before this song and was excited about the prospect of those two getting together. There was an interesting article in the New York based, Interview magazine at the time. It was a staged phone interview between Joni and Seal with a photograph of each talking on the telephone. Seal had been a long time fan of Joni and it was his dream to record a song with her. It was a reciprocal arrangement with Seal singing on Joni's song, How Do You Stop. If I Could is one of my all time favourite songs. Beautiful lyrics and arrangement. Check it out. That's some of the vocal contributions I know of by Joni. Mark in Sydney NP If I Could - Seal with Joni Mitchell PS Happy Mothers Day for next weekend where applicable. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:57:23 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Taming the Tiger I finally picked up TTT, the only Joni album i did not own. I am listening to it for the first time. Mixed feelings. How do others feel about TTT? In response to the recent "bad lyrics" thread this is one of Joni's weakest, imo: "Since I lost you.... I can't get through the day/Without at least one big Boo Hoo". Compare it to one of my favourite Joni lyrics: "I went to see a friend tonight, Was very late when I walked in My talking as it rambled Revealed suspicious reasoning The visit seemed to darken him I came in as bright As a neon light And I burned out Right there before him" GARRET NP- Joni, Taming the Tiger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:00:47 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re:Stevens' FMIP tribute I really like Sufjan's FMIP and LOVE Bjork's Boho Dance. Just thought i'd share that. Some of the other cuts (Dreamland for example) do not work for me at all. The tribute album was number 13 in the chart in Tower records the day before yesterday. I thought that was impressive until someone told me that album sales worldwide had hit a worldwide low and it would probably would not take many sales to chart at this time. GARRET NP- Joni, The Crazy Cries of Love ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:14:32 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Fwd: NJC Patti SMITH on 'The Tonight Show' I did not see the Tonight Show performance, but opinion was divided over on one of the patti lists (as opinion is divided about the nwe album). It is one of the tracks that works for me on the album. Initially i was very disappointed with Twelve liking about half of it. It has grown on me somewhat. Downloading Perfect Day, HereIDreamtIWasAnArchitect, and Everybody Hurts and splicing them into the album helped a lot. I still think White Rabbit could have been amazing, but it falls a flat. The re-creation of Smells Like Teen Spirit is the most exciting thing on the album i think, but there is not enough punch in it for me. That's a song that was so important when i was a teenager, we had so much invested in it, in the album, in the band. It really was life changing. It is hard for me to really adopt Patti's version (i feel so torn) but you can feel her passion pour out during this track. I can only imagine that there is an element of this at play for people older than me hearing Jimi Hendrix, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, Jefferson Airplane songs being remade. It must be hard to take (some reviews have called it an assault and others have wondered if she enjoys karaoke - it is a lot better than all that). When thinking of Patti covers i think of Gloria, My Generation, So you want to be a rock n roll stat, land of a thousand dances, when doves cry (which some people hate, but i like it a lot) and the many covers i have heard in concert and on live bootlegs. She has the capacity to do so much with them, but on Twelve she decided to let the lyrics do the work. I don;t know how successful that was. The band are good, but they never really hit the stride they are capable of. Also, Tom Verlaine was involved in the sessions - that really should be more evident. GARRET NP- Joni, My Best To You (wow - where has this been all my life? I'm loving it) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 06:34:17 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc bright star Did anyone happen to see the brightest star in the westward sky last night? It was magnificent. I wonder what it is. . ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:39:11 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: TORN, totally NJC but worth the look.. you will laugh I was sent this link and if you want something brilliant to make you laugh go to this link and enjoy the skills of David Armand as Johann Lippowitz > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TM3GbxaNLI If you go to the right hand side of the screen after seeing TORN its worth the journey into "that's my home" and "don't look back in Anger" If you have already seen this then why didn't you tell us about it..... wanting to keep it to yourself... Lucy, in England, off to a BBQ under the grey sullen skies of a UK bank holiday.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:42:30 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Let me vent for 20 seconds and some questions NJC Thanks for all the words of encouragement and questions to ask politicans. I have been reenfranchised;-) I suppose it was realised that so many thousands of people being off the register could turn into a political issue and so the deadline was extended until saturday (civil servants working weekends - now what is the world coming to?). Cassy, i have always wondered what BDSM stands for. Well, it's the BD bit that i cannot figure out. Your story reminded me of a situation i was in recently too in terms of people not understanding. It's hard to explain what i mean. Basically, a discussion about a mild form of (auto)erotic asphyxiation came up and some medical professionals present kept describing it as a paraphilia (thank you DSM) and perversion which really bugged me (i had a physical reaction every time they said that). I know it is not for everyone but i view it as within the realm of normal variation (don't you love *that* phrase?) and also something that happens in the privacy of ones own bedroom or what have you. I am now waiting for more candidates to knock. Gay marraige is also very high on my list of concerns, Cassy. I have been through more than a few opinions on this, but my latest is "no, civil union is not good enough. I want to be treated exactly the same as everyone else. I don't want a special category (sometimes i do, but today i don't;-) Why do we have such an exclusionary definition of family in the constitution? Why does the state support exemptions to anti-discrimination legislation? What do you mean it doesn''t? The state supports religious organisations that provide services with *public* funds. you can be fired from a catholic school for being homosexual and these schools are given public funds. I'm sure it doesn't really happen but it is endorsed. And let's not get into that ridiculous situation with the hospitals and their official RELGIOUS charter's strongly influencing what treatments are offered ???!!!!????" I love the way my citizenship is so valued that they allow me the honour of paying tax and working in the health services and they will even let me as a gay man in a couple or not to foster a child but will not let me adopt. I am very concerned about the shallow understanding of the word "equality" in this country. I'm concerned about our health system (this is the HUGE political issue this election so i'm sitting with the masses on this one). I'm concerned about "disability issues". My particular interest relates to services and recognition for people with brain injuries and dementia. I also have a strong interest in water. I think it should be protected as a human right and defended from privatisation. I don't mind paying for water to be honest, but i do mind lining the pockets of some faceless multinational business. This is our most valuable natural resource and there ain't that much of it left. and you know there may be more.... GARRET NP- Joni, Harry's House (hissing demo) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:59:32 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Worst lyrics of all time revealed njc Pulled this from nme.com Worst lyrics of all time revealed! Des'ree, Razorlight and Snap are main offenders 04.May.07 8:31pm Des'ree's 1990s hit 'Life' contains the worst pop lyrics of all time, according to a listener poll held by BBC 6 Music. Thanks to music fans voting in the station's Taxing Lyrical survey, Des'ree won the unflattering honour over Razorlight's 'Somewhere Else' and Snap's 'Rhythm Is A Dancer' - the latter artists both collecting 30 per cent of the votes respectively. The offending Des'ree lyrics are: "I don't want to see a ghost/It's the sight that I fear most/I'd rather have a piece of toast /Watch the evening news". 6 Music presenter Marc Riley, who counts down the Taxing Lyrical Top Ten tonight (May 4) says, "Bad lyrics can come in all forms - some acceptable, some less so. Dumb is sometimes OK, but pious and pretentious and pompous are obviously never to be encouraged nor tolerated." ABC singer Martin Fry, who is at number 4 for his lyrics to 'That Was Then But This Is Now', told Riley, "I have been waiting for this kind of accolade for years. The most memorable lyrics are often the stupidest." The BBC 6 Music Taxing Lyrical Top 10 is as follows: 1. Des'ree - 'Life' "I don't want to see a ghost/It's the sight that I fear most/I'd rather have a piece of toast/Watch the evening news" 2. Snap - 'Rhythm Is A Dancer' "I'm as serious as cancer when I say rhythm is a dancer" 3. Razorlight - 'Somewhere Else' "And I met a girl/She asked me my name/I told her what it was" 4. ABC - 'That Was Then But This Is Now' "More sacrifices than an Aztec priest/Standing here straining at that leash/All fall down/Can't complain, mustn't grumble/Help yourself to another piece of apple crumble!" 5. U2 - 'Elevation' "I've got no self control/Been living like a mole now/Going down, excavation/High and high in the sky/You make me feel like I can fly/So high/Elevation" 6. Toto - 'Africa' "The wild dogs cry out in the night/As they grow restless longing for some solitary company/I know that I must do what's right/Sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti" 7. Oasis - 'Champagne Supernova' "Slowly walking down the hall/Faster than a cannonball/Where were you when we were getting high?" 8. Duran Duran - 'Is There Something I Should Know?' "And fiery demons all dance when you walk through that door Don't say you're easy on me you're about as easy as a nuclear war" 9. Human League - 'The Lebanon' "Before he leaves the camp he stops/He scans the world outside/And where there used to be some shops/Is where the snipers sometimes hide" 10. Black Sabbath - 'War Pigs' "Generals gathered in their masses/Just like witches at black masses" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:02:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on albums - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > > Apart from the early contributions Joni made to > James Taylor and Carole > King, my favourite Joni contribution to another > artist's music was, > Seal's song, One that I really love is "Blue River" by Eric Andersen. I uploaded it to yousendit.com If you've never heard this before, I know you will love it. Joni's contribution is just lovely. Link: http://www.yousendit.com/download/WUJaSmIxT001UjQwTVE9PQ Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:26:54 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: BDSM Basics - njc From: "Garret" <<< I have been reenfranchised;-) I suppose it was realised that so many thousands of people being off the register could turn into a political issue and so the deadline was extended until saturday (civil servants working weekends - now what is the world coming to?). >>> I'm so happy to hear this Garret, voting is something I hold sacred and having the right to vote withdrawn would be terrible. <<< i have always wondered what BDSM stands for. Well, it's the BD bit that i cannot figure out. Your story reminded me of a situation i was in recently too in terms of people not understanding. It's hard to explain what i mean. Basically, a discussion about a mild form of (auto)erotic asphyxiation came up and some medical professionals present kept describing it as a paraphilia (thank you DSM) and perversion which really bugged me (i had a physical reaction every time they said that). I know it is not for everyone but i view it as within the realm of normal variation (don't you love *that* phrase?) and also something that happens in the privacy of ones own bedroom or what have you.>>> I hope you find this interesting, Garret. (Auto)erotic asphyxiation comes under the term "breath-control" and quite a few BDSM enthusiasts participate in that type of "play". It is dangerous to say the least but as long as one is aware of the risks involved it comes under the umbrella of R.A.C.K. (Risk-Aware Consensual Kink). For many BDSM enthusiasts, the term R.A.C.K. has replaced the term S.S.C. (safe, sane and consensual) because so much of what we do is not really "safe" and some would argue no where near "sane". The key to both is the aspect of consensuality. BDSM can involve activities as simple as the use of hot candle wax or spanking and get as complicated as breath control, cutting, the use of needles, electricity and fire play. I wrote this basic synopsis last year for a friend of mine who was curious about what I'm involved in. BDSM can be broken down into segments for a little better understanding: BD - Bondage and Discipline D/s - Dominance and submission SM - Sadism & Masochism These are the terms most often used today and are three distinctly different life styles. The terms are not interchangeable, yet one lifestyle may lead into another depending upon the limits agreed upon by both consenting parties. As the relationship continues one may find that experimenting with one area may lead to the next but it's also good to know that one doesn't have to enjoy all aspects of BDSM. These life styles might better be referred to as an alternative relationship. It is a form of love in which one controls and the other surrenders willingly, not forcefully. In this lifestyle there is no proper or correct way for a relationship to be lived, there are as many ways to live this lifestyle as there are individuals living it. Each couple agrees about what is the most comfortable for both of them. The Dominant has the duty to lead his submissive, to love and to honor her and to never harm her in any manner and most of all to protect her. The submissive has the responsibility to serve and to honor her Master. The details as to how each relationship is lived is between the two of them and negotiations are very important. (** Note I use masculine gender for the Top/Master/Dom and female for the bottom/sub/slave but that each relationship has it's own dynamics regarding gender) The principal difference in the three lifestyles is pain and humiliation. In the D/s lifestyle control by the use of pain or humiliation doesn't usually occur. The control is relinquished by the submissive willingly to the Dominant. The Dominant controls by voice or minor punishment. Punishment can be given for misdeeds or failure to obey; warmth is given for correct deeds. This is an important thing to remember because acknowledgment for deeds done well is a good positive reinforcement and it's human nature to want that reinforcement. In the Bondage and Discipline lifestyle, punishment is more severe, but within the preset limits of the couple. Rewards are still given for deeds well done. In B&D, pain may be used a tool for correcting improper actions, and no injury should ever occur. In Sadism and Masochism pain becomes an integral part of the play. It is pain for sexual delight. When orgasm is obtained through any form of pain it then becomes S&M. The above descriptions show how easily the boundaries can be crossed. Let say that one enjoys the spanking to a point of orgasm, then that falls under S&M. Usually though, the practice of S&M entails a much higher pain infliction that leads to sexual release. Limits When we speak of BDSM we must also speak about limits. Limits are agreed upon prior to the start of any part of this lifestyle. All parties involved must adhere to these limits. The submissive submitted and trusted the Dominant based upon the belief that these limits will not be exceeded. They must never be exceeded under any circumstances, without discussion between the two parties. Mutual respect and trust is of the utmost in this life style. When mutual trust disappears, the parties should probably dissolve the relationship, or someone may get hurt. At any given time either party may dissolve this relationship. It is common to fill out a checklist (if anyone is interested in reading one write me offlist and I can provide a copy) prior to negotiating. Each partner fills one out and then they meet for discussion and negotiation. There are items on the checklist that one might never discuss under other circumstances and that need to be discussed when setting limits for this type of relationship. Checklists can be useful tools to enhance one's level of communication and ultimately enhance one's relationship. Safe Words To protect the limits discussed above, the use of safe words comes into play. When the safe word is used the action stops immediately and the action is discussed. Under no circumstances can the action continue unless mutually agreed upon. Should the action continue without the permission of the other then it is no longer a loving relationship but one of force. Many use a safe word of choice when a submissive is under stress for any reason, the safe word can be any word which would not normally be spoken during play so there can be no mistaking it's use. In many public forums there are "universal" safe words - Green (everything is cool) - Yellow (I need a minute to regroup) - Red (this activity must stop immediately). Understand that choosing to utilize the safe word does not reflect a failure by either partner. It's a time for mutual understanding and love. Although the submissive relinquishes control to the Dominant, the Dominant must continue to earn the respect and trust of the submissive. Arbitrary punishment will cause the loss of respect and trust. And the lack of rewards can also lose that respect and trust. As you can see from this VERY basic information, the submissive has the ability to stop the scene at any time it becomes too much. It would be considered "abuse" if the sub asks for play to stop and it were to continue beyond their acceptance level. Whether BD, D/s or the S&M scene are chosen, safety and protection are always the mainstays of this lifestyle. Remember that this is a lifestyle of love, honor and trust. This is only MY perception of the life I live and love, I hope it's been helpful. This is just a quick thumbnail, there is SO much more but, honestly, I haven't the time to write a whole new book here - lol. There are several really good books already available on the market that I suggest you look into if you really are interested in learning more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:26:36 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni on albums Thank you, Catherine. Lovely song. Very bluesy. What year was this? Mark Sydney On 07/05/2007, at 10:02 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > >> >> Apart from the early contributions Joni made to >> James Taylor and Carole >> King, my favourite Joni contribution to another >> artist's music was, >> Seal's song, > > One that I really love is "Blue River" by Eric > Andersen. > > I uploaded it to yousendit.com > > If you've never heard this before, I know you will > love it. Joni's contribution is just lovely. > > Link: > http://www.yousendit.com/download/WUJaSmIxT001UjQwTVE9PQ > > > Catherine > Toronto > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk > email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at > http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:48:28 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni on albums I gotta respectfully disagree with that statement. I got that double LP (The Innocent Age) for Christmas, and I think Nexus was song 1 on side 1. I played it, and Joni's easily-identifiable vocal cadence or whatever it was called IMMEDIATELY jumped out. I was very excited and saying to myself "Man, that's Joni Mitchell!" I will agree with you on the "What Are Their Names" track though - finding her in that one is like a needle in a haystack. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Never Let Go" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:57:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Joni on albums I remember hearing Nexus for the first time, knowing nothing about it, and immediately recognizing it. Same thing with a Jimmy Webb song. Her distinctive voice soars above the others. Jerry Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > that Joni supposedly sang on but she is part of the a group of singer > and hard to distinguish.> > > I gotta respectfully disagree with that statement. I got that double LP > (The Innocent Age) for Christmas, and I think Nexus was song 1 on side 1. > I played it, and Joni's easily-identifiable vocal cadence or whatever it > was called IMMEDIATELY jumped out. I was very excited and saying to myself > "Man, that's Joni Mitchell!" > > I will agree with you on the "What Are Their Names" track though - finding > her in that one is like a needle in a haystack. > > Bob > > NP: Tom Waits, "Never Let Go" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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In response to the recent "bad lyrics" thread this is one of Joni's weakest, imo: "Since I lost you.... I can't get through the day/Without at least one big Boo Hoo". Compare it to one of my favourite Joni lyrics: "I went to see a friend tonight, Was very late when I walked in My talking as it rambled Revealed suspicious reasoning The visit seemed to darken him I came in as bright As a neon light And I burned out Right there before him" GARRET NP- Joni, Taming the Tiger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:13:10 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni on albums It was 1972. There is also a live version from the Mudd Club September 18, 1982 that you can get here on yousendit: http://download.yousendit.com/FB72736574205EB8 - ----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark-Leon Thorne Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:27 AM To: Catherine McKay Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: Joni on albums Thank you, Catherine. Lovely song. Very bluesy. What year was this? Mark Sydney On 07/05/2007, at 10:02 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > >> >> Apart from the early contributions Joni made to >> James Taylor and Carole >> King, my favourite Joni contribution to another >> artist's music was, >> Seal's song, > > One that I really love is "Blue River" by Eric > Andersen. > > I uploaded it to yousendit.com > > If you've never heard this before, I know you will > love it. Joni's contribution is just lovely. > > Link: > http://www.yousendit.com/download/WUJaSmIxT001UjQwTVE9PQ > > > Catherine > Toronto > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk > email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at > http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:32:00 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni on albums Sorry, the date was February 18, 1982. The cut is from a now out-of-print Eric Andersen, Live at the Mudd Club album that used to be available through mp3.com. I'm a big Eric Andersen fan. Is anyone else? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Richard Flynn Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:13 AM To: 'Mark-Leon Thorne'; 'Catherine McKay' Cc: 'JMDL' Subject: RE: Joni on albums It was 1972. There is also a live version from the Mudd Club September 18, 1982 that you can get here on yousendit: http://download.yousendit.com/FB72736574205EB8 - ----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark-Leon Thorne Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:27 AM To: Catherine McKay Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: Joni on albums Thank you, Catherine. Lovely song. Very bluesy. What year was this? Mark Sydney On 07/05/2007, at 10:02 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > >> >> Apart from the early contributions Joni made to >> James Taylor and Carole >> King, my favourite Joni contribution to another >> artist's music was, >> Seal's song, > > One that I really love is "Blue River" by Eric > Andersen. > > I uploaded it to yousendit.com > > If you've never heard this before, I know you will > love it. Joni's contribution is just lovely. > > Link: > http://www.yousendit.com/download/WUJaSmIxT001UjQwTVE9PQ > > > Catherine > Toronto > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk > email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at > http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: Joni on albums now njc me! he was tapped into the silver lightning vein vein from god of songwriting greatness there for awhile, and may still be - I'm ashamed to say I've lost track of Eric. I have an old Vanguard greatest hits of his that I've owned more or less ince I was a child (- well teenager). "Violets of Dawn" is one of my all time fave songs, and quite a challenge and fun to sing. :) Em - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > Sorry, the date was February 18, 1982. > > The cut is from a now out-of-print Eric Andersen, Live at the Mudd > Club > album that used to be available through mp3.com. > > I'm a big Eric Andersen fan. Is anyone else? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:13:36 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc VW bug My first car was a red VW bug. . I loved it and so did all my friends. I was 16 and I paid 700 dollars for it. . saved all the money my self. . . learned to drive a stick shift in that car.. . no heat in the car . . had to scrape the insides of the window as I drove. one day I was driving from my college town (Geneseo) to Buffalo for a joni concert. . maybe it was 1980. . and someone else had their car broken down by the side of the thruway. . we got out and towed their car (with the bug) all the way to the concert. .. can't remember much more than that. (one of my firends (Amy) was a bit annoyed that we were towing the other car.) Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 15:29:44 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Crown and Anchor not particularly JC Chuck wrote: "There is a well-known Crown and Anchor establishment on Commercial Street in Provincetown...a complex of several bars, caberet, poolside/ harborside lounges , video discos , a leather bar and, true to it's beginnings as a 'motor court', even some rooms to rent!" Wow. Sounds like a swingin' hot spot! With a wink and a smile, Patti P. in Morning UConn Town P.S. I sometimes stayed (many dim years ago) at the Capeview Motel at the intersection of 6 and 6A...it had a great view of the tip of the Cape. And then the N. Truro camping areas, where the chipmunks stole our croissants and where the beach paths were lined with wild blueberry bushes and you could see the lighthouse beams at night....loved to see that green water in motion....and eat bouillabaisse (now THERE'S a sweeter fare!) at Ciro & Sal's.... Ah, now you've got me wanting to take my dream (a dream that you love someone, a dream that the wars are done) down by the sea Yankee yachts and lobster pots and sunshine..... I've got beach tar on my feet.... YIKES! JMOCDed at work once again! And there are no pillows here for my Cape Cod wanderlust.... My dreams with the seagulls fly out of reach out of cry _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger Garret wrote: >>>>I finally picked up TTT, the only Joni album i did not own. I am listening to it for the first time. Mixed feelings. How do others feel about TTT? Same here. IMO, it is better than the orchestra albums, but a fall after NRH and TI. That I can't discuss it further without having the song list in front of me says something--that's rarely the case with Joni. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:56:25 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on albums Anybody needing information about Joni and her music have the opportunity to search the jonimitchell.com web site just as any inquiries made in a conversation could be arrested by simply doing your own research. So, why bother having a conversation at all? Why bother discussing Joni when you can just look everything up? - --------------------------------- Oh believe me, I do lots of research on Joni but there are only so many hours in one day! I have checked out all the main sites on her (and looked for individual fan pages as well and such) but sometimes it is good to discuss. And in this case, sure I can look this stuff up (and probably will even with everyone's input), but I figure asking here would not only provide some answers but some opinions rather than just the facts of what she sang on and what year. I am much more interested in opinions like, which contribution of hers on others albums is easy to hear or hard to distinguish and which ones people bring up according to what they like most or find most interesting. That's all. Because realistically as you said, anyone could look up anything on Joni via the net and have their answer. But that's not as fun as discussing it is and this is a discussion list. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Take it or leave it. - -Mon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:32:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: VW bug Marianne Rizzo wrote: > My first car was a red VW bug. . > I loved it and so did all my friends. > > I was 16 and I paid 700 dollars for it. . saved all the money my self. . > . > learned to drive a stick shift in that car.. . > > > no heat in the car . . had to scrape the insides of the window as I > drove. I had a 1969 Karman Ghia which I loved. My friends always teased me because I was the only one who had to scrape the INSIDE of the windshield. But I learned ti trick of turning on the defrost and cranking the window a crack. > > one day I was driving from my college town (Geneseo) to Buffalo for a joni > concert. . maybe it was 1980. . and someone else had their car broken > down by the side of the thruway. . I believe that would be 1983. The Center Theater downtown Buffalo. xoxo Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 09:04:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Four Dead in Ohio -- 37 years ago What a horrible time that was. I had recently been in Ohio, not far from Kent State, just before that happened. I went back later that Spring to see my friends. It had been such a violent couple of years with the assassinations of MLK & RFK & now four students. Everyone I knew was protesting the war at that time (most nonviolently but some otherwise). I headed for the west coast (they had just burned down the Bank of America in Isla Vista before I arrived). I headed for the hills to get back to the garden. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:10:50 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: DJRD has entered the building I am so excited to say that "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" arrived today in the mail. Given all the opinions on it here from the list and from what I have read about it (and the few songs I have heard before from the album), I'm sure it'll be something! And of course I love having new Joni music (new to me anyhow) because it's just another facet, just another door to open, another road to explore. I can't wait to listen to it! I've got a few errands to take care of but I'll rush my way happily through them to get to the album. My opinion on the album will arrive in coming time. "Give me some time, I feel like I'm losing mine." Live and learn, Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:15:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger The same. Harlem in Havana is amazing - I loved it straight outta the gate and still do. Man From Mars is also great, but the Parker Fly guitar/VG8 was not a sound that I cared for and unfortunately it's all over the record. I loved the fact that she was writing middle-aged love songs and not girly love songs (Face Lift, Love Puts On A New Face, Stay In Touch). Some of the songs are a bit unfocused or poorly executed (No Apologies, Lead Balloon)or just plain superfluous (Tiger Bones). At the end of the day, it's an enjoyable record - would have been made much better with some piano or acoustic guitar in lieu of the instrumental sound she got with the Parker/VG8 combo. The issue is simply that the bar Joni set for herself in the 70's is simply unapproachable, even for her. While I'm eagerly anticipating Shine, I'm pretty sure it will suffer from the same symptoms. Bob NP: Ryan Adams, "Goodnight Hollywood Blvd" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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My friends always teased me > because I was the only one who had to scrape the INSIDE of the windshield. > But I learned ti trick of turning on the defrost and cranking the window a > crack. >> >> one day I was driving from my college town (Geneseo) to Buffalo for a >> joni >> concert. . maybe it was 1980. . and someone else had their car broken >> down by the side of the thruway. . > > I believe that would be 1983. The Center Theater downtown Buffalo. > > xoxo > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:17:13 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: njc VW bug From: "Marianne Rizzo" <<< My first car was a red VW bug. I loved it and so did all my friends. >>> Mine was a 1966 Mustang, three on the floor. It finally died one night after I'd had one too many brews, blew the tranny and it stuck in reverse gear. I drove all the way home in reverse down side streets with my girlfriend checking traffic at the main streets we had to cross along the way. What a night! <<< I was 16 and I paid 700 dollars for it. . saved all the money my self. . . learned to drive a stick shift in that car... >>> My father wouldn't allow any of his children to get their driving license until they were proficient with a stick-shift. I learned in an old Ford pickup truck with the shifter on the steering column (three on the tree). My favorite vehicle was a '72 Blazer, bright orange with a white top, Holly 4-barrel carb., Dick Cepek hog tires, porcelain wheels and 7 leaf springs. My then-boyfriend borrowed it one night and decided it would be fun to drive it through a dump, he got a set of old bedsprings wrapped around the drive shaft and ruined the differential . That was an awesome ride. Warmly, Cassy NPIMH: Little Old Lady from Pasadena ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:42:31 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: njc First Car My first car was a 1962 Plymouth Valiant, which was thought of as a small car back then, but today would be considered medium-sized. This had a "three on the tree" column shift and that's how I learned to drive. Next car was a 1963 Dodge Dart I bought from the same friend who sold me the Valiant. This had a push button automatic on the dashboard. After that, I someone got a 1964 Pontiac Bonneville that eventually got rear-ended. I never owned a Ford Mustang, but I certainly wanted to. Had some late 60s Corvairs for a while, but all of them were rustbuckets due to our climate and their unit body construction. I did own a Beetle but had bad luck with it. I paid something like $2,000 for one used and not long after that, the motor blew when we had a cold spell and it got down to 26 below. Acceleration in those cars was terrible, and heat non-existent. Best car I had back in the day was a 1973 Mercury Capri, and import from Ford Germany. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 20:44:16 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Baez not allowed to sing for soldiers at Walter Reed NJC Sorry for chiming in so late on this one. Em, I'm really glad you shared this information. I had not known this until I read it here. (The JMDL: best source of news that's important!) I wonder if it's because she supports Cindy Sheehan, rePUBLICan ENEMY #1. Here is a very short interview of Joan Baez at Camp Casey -- the 14th video down on the right (pink t-shirt, yellow bandana): http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml I like the way she speaks. So natural. Yes, Joan, let the massive wall of denial come tumbling down! Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:04:43 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: BDSM Basics - njc >BDSM can involve activities as simple as the use of hot candle wax or >spanking >and get as complicated as breath control, cutting, the use of needles, >electricity and fire play. I wrote this basic synopsis last year for a >friend >of mine who was curious about what I'm involved in. I think this kind of stuff should be left off this list! PLEASE!! PLEASE!! This is hurting!! Most people here are normal....and we like the norm. Mother McCreary..what would me mother think from heaven above? BUT..BUT.I am curious about the waxing....could you explain a little? Only because I need to arm myself with knowledge about the underworld..that is creeping in the overworld. Bree PS. Do these segments or situations ever creep into real life...outside of the bedroom? ' >It is a form of love in which one controls and the other surrenders >willingly, >not forcefully. In this lifestyle there is no proper or correct way for a >relationship to be lived, there are as many ways to live this lifestyle as >there are individuals living it. Each couple agrees about what is the most >comfortable for both of them. > >The Dominant has the duty to lead his submissive, to love and to honor her >and >to never harm her in any manner and most of all to protect her. The >submissive has the responsibility to serve and to honor her Master. The >details as to how each relationship is lived is between the two of them and >negotiations are very important. > >(** Note I use masculine gender for the Top/Master/Dom and female for the >bottom/sub/slave but that each relationship has it's own dynamics regarding >gender) > >The principal difference in the three lifestyles is pain and humiliation. >In >the D/s lifestyle control by the use of pain or humiliation doesn't usually >occur. The control is relinquished by the submissive willingly to the >Dominant. The Dominant controls by voice or minor punishment. Punishment >can >be given for misdeeds or failure to obey; warmth is given for correct >deeds. >This is an important thing to remember because acknowledgment for deeds >done >well is a good positive reinforcement and it's human nature to want that >reinforcement. > > >In the Bondage and Discipline lifestyle, punishment is more severe, but >within >the preset limits of the couple. Rewards are still given for deeds well >done. >In B&D, pain may be used a tool for correcting improper actions, and no >injury >should ever occur. > >In Sadism and Masochism pain becomes an integral part of the play. It is >pain >for sexual delight. When orgasm is obtained through any form of pain it >then >becomes S&M. > >The above descriptions show how easily the boundaries can be crossed. Let >say >that one enjoys the spanking to a point of orgasm, then that falls under >S&M. >Usually though, the practice of S&M entails a much higher pain infliction >that >leads to sexual release. > >Limits > >When we speak of BDSM we must also speak about limits. Limits are agreed >upon >prior to the start of any part of this lifestyle. All parties involved must >adhere to these limits. The submissive submitted and trusted the Dominant >based upon the belief that these limits will not be exceeded. They must >never >be exceeded under any circumstances, without discussion between the two >parties. Mutual respect and trust is of the utmost in this life style. > > >When mutual trust disappears, the parties should probably dissolve the >relationship, or someone may get hurt. At any given time either party may >dissolve this relationship. > > >It is common to fill out a checklist (if anyone is interested in reading >one >write me offlist and I can provide a copy) prior to negotiating. Each >partner >fills one out and then they meet for discussion and negotiation. There are >items on the checklist that one might never discuss under other >circumstances >and that need to be discussed when setting limits for this type of >relationship. Checklists can be useful tools to enhance one's level of >communication and ultimately enhance one's relationship. > >Safe Words > >To protect the limits discussed above, the use of safe words comes into >play. >When the safe word is used the action stops immediately and the action is >discussed. Under no circumstances can the action continue unless mutually >agreed upon. Should the action continue without the permission of the other >then it is no longer a loving relationship but one of force. > >Many use a safe word of choice when a submissive is under stress for any >reason, the safe word can be any word which would not normally be spoken >during play so there can be no mistaking it's use. In many public forums >there >are "universal" safe words - Green (everything is cool) - Yellow (I need a >minute to regroup) - Red (this activity must stop immediately). > >Understand that choosing to utilize the safe word does not reflect a >failure >by either partner. It's a time for mutual understanding and love. > >Although the submissive relinquishes control to the Dominant, the Dominant >must continue to earn the respect and trust of the submissive. Arbitrary >punishment will cause the loss of respect and trust. And the lack of >rewards >can also lose that respect and trust. > >As you can see from this VERY basic information, the submissive has the >ability to stop the scene at any time it becomes too much. It would be >considered "abuse" if the sub asks for play to stop and it were to continue >beyond their acceptance level. Whether BD, D/s or the S&M scene are chosen, >safety and protection are always the mainstays of this lifestyle. Remember >that this is a lifestyle of love, honor and trust. > > > >This is only MY perception of the life I live and love, I hope it's been >helpful. This is just a quick thumbnail, there is SO much more but, >honestly, >I haven't the time to write a whole new book here - lol. There are several >really good books already available on the market that I suggest you look >into >if you really are interested in learning more. _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. 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