From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #182 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 4 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 182 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Let me vent for 20 seconds and some questions njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.c] Re: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? [Em ] Re: Let me vent for 20 seconds and some questions NJC ["Cassy" ] RE: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? ["Richard Flynn" ] Re:Stevens' FMIP tribute [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #132 [srobe444@aol.com] Re:Stevens' FMIP tribute [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Patti SMITH on 'The Tonight Show' ["Richard Goldman" ] Crown and Anchor ["Cassy" ] Joni mentions at a People's Party ["Patti Parlette" Firstly Garret, I second Victor's comment. I like to read about international politics and the issues that everyone is dealing with in their respective countries. Secondly, the questions you would ask candidates will be relative to your interests. If you don't have kids, education issues might not be as important as property tax issues, for example. But it IS important that your voice gets heard. I admire your involvement and I'm sorry about the snafu with your registration. 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Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:44:13 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Let me vent for 20 seconds and some questions NJC From: "Garret" <<< On a different note, what kinds of questions do others on the list ask when candidates come a-knocking? >>> Some acquaintances of mine were at a kinky party in a warehouse district in Attleboro Massachusetts a few years ago. Accidentally the police raided the party (they used the wrong address looking for drugs) and though there were no infractions of liquor laws or drug laws, several people were arrested for "assault" because they were striking willing partners. In the majority of states in the USA, consent cannot be used as a defense which I think is ridiculous. One woman was prosecuted for striking her partner with a wooded kitchen spoon and consequently there was a legal defense fundraiser using small wooden spoons made into pins the incident was named "Paddleboro". Each of the persons arrested had their expensive "toys" confiscated, they were never returned even though the charges were eventually dropped In San Diego, also a few years ago, six people were arrested for the same thing. "The San Diego Six" subsequently had all charges dismissed but not after spending a fortune in legal fees and being made public figures through rabid news reporters. I am tired of my bedroom being legislated. Last year a new law was passed in Michigan outlawing torture. I understand the need to legislate non-consensual torture and wrote to my Representative applauding him for introducing the bill, however, in the same letter I urged him to write in an exception for those of us who choose BDSM because we enjoy it. He responded to me and asked a few questions which I sincerely replied to in order that he better understand the sheer numbers of people who are involved these days. When the bill was finally written into law, wording WAS added to clarify that the law is intended for non-consensual activities. I have been active in a local law enforcement outreach program regarding consensual BDSM; I believe in being proactive in educating the officer on the beat about understanding the difference between abuse and consenting adults and I teach classes within my community regarding safety in what it is we do. Gay marriage should be legal - that has been my main question in recent years - "Where do you stand on the issue of gay marriage?" I also want to be sure that any candidates who knock on my door understand that I'm not a sick pervert because my partner and I are sadistic/masochistic. (well maybe I'm a little bit twisted). Warmly, Cassy NP: Recoil - Breath Control Is there no way to request an exception since it was the registrars mistake that you're no longer registered Garret? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:01:26 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: NJC - Great Kite Video I hope you enjoy this clip. http://www.kitevideo.net:80/video_files/demo/RayBethell_384kbps.wmv Cassy NP: Dave Matthews/Tim Reynolds -= Dancing Nancies ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:16:44 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? I'm having a vision of Harold (of Crockett Johnson's Harold and the Purple Crayon)writing all of Joni's songs. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 5:26 PM To: Catherine McKay; Patti Parlette; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? - --- Catherine McKay wrote:> My brother - my one and only brother, the first-born > son, that special one - used to mock Joni, telling me > "anyone with a purple crayon could write that." ha! I'm having visions of "the priest sat in an airport bar, he was wearing his father's tie"...scrawled in purple crayon... wow.. Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 19:18:43 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re:Stevens' FMIP tribute > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: Stevens' tribute version of FMIP > It was about an artist who translated a song into their style. I would imagine, given the comments I've read about this one, that if you aren't familiar with Sufjan's style (lots of orchestrated production and his trademark staccato synchopations) or if you don't like his style (my wife yells at me like a banshee to turn it off when she hears him) than you don't like his treatment of the song. I understand what you're saying, but when Yes covered Simon & Garfunkel's "America", they added a totally new twist to it, and you could still tell it was "America." When Steve Hillage remade Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man", he completely transformed it but you still knew it was "Hurdy Gurdy Man." I just think Stevens' version of Free Man In Paris goes so far, it's no longer the same song. He might just as well put different words to the music he created 'cause it sure ain't FMIP to me. I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of the Joni tribute album before I decide to add it to my collection; hopefully, there's more good than bad. Kenny B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 20:34:36 -0400 From: srobe444@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #132 I dunno I loved HOSL when it came out and still do I think Boho Dance is one of her more profound songs, and poetically structured very narrative, yet evocative jeans with a little lace along the seems mirrors lady in a Paris dress with runs in her nylons nothing is encapsulated in me on either side of town the streets were never really mine, not mine, these glamour gowns how much more revealing is that? I think the album has a lot to do with LOTC - a retelling from a later perspective Compare the mood of Harry's House or Shades of Scarlett Conquering with Conversation or Boho Dance with For Free - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 1 May 2007 3:00 AM Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #132 onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, May 1 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 132 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Miles Beyond [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Joni & Jaco [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Miles Beyond ["AJ" ] Re: Joni & Jaco [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Miles Beyond [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Miles Beyond [Wtking59@cs.com] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:15:14 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles Beyond In fact, parts of THOSL sound much more dated to me than ANYTHING on C&S or MOA (particularly the comparatively lightweight sounding fluff of "Shades of Scarlett Conquering," the clichid and superficial "Harry's House," the downright hokey opener "In France They Kiss On Main Street... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - --------------------------------------------------------------- Well what about them in particular makes you think they sound dated? And why do you find Harry's House superficial? We're all entitled to our own opinion but it's good to ask. Discussion is healthy. Just curious as always. - - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:21:42 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jaco HEY, Monika Well, apart from her marriage to Klein--yet another bass player--you ARE aware that Jaco died relatively young, aren't you? Killed in a bar fight of some sort, if I'm not mistaken. I've forgotten the exact year, but it's been a while. - - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, yes I read that he died young in passing somewhere but was not aware of the year. - - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:27:00 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: Miles Beyond - - ----- Original Message ----- From: > In fact, parts of THOSL sound much more dated to me than ANYTHING on C&S > or > MOA (particularly the comparatively lightweight sounding fluff of "Shades > of > Scarlett Conquering," the clichid and superficial "Harry's House," the > downright hokey opener "In France They Kiss On Main Street... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Well what about them in particular makes you think they sound dated? > And why do you find Harry's House superficial? We're all entitled to our > own > opinion but it's good to ask. Discussion is healthy. Just curious as > always. > -Monika I myself find "Harry's House" one the most profound JM songs of all. The timbre of her voice when she sings/speaks "Nothing's any good" made my hair stand on end the day the album came out, and still does, these many years later, when I listen to it on my IPod. I find it an incredibly dense (in a good way) musical statement about not simply American culture in the 1970s, but still as timely in 2007 as it was when it came out. And it is a strangely bifurcated song, which makes it endlessly fascinating to me to this day. - - --AJ - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 00:26:14 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jaco Bruce -- THANKS for providing more details on Jaco's death. Such an unfortunate loss for many (including Joni, I'm sure). And I agree with your logic 100% on the possibilities of why the couple eventually parted ways, as well as your probable theories about what was responsible for Joni's lighter, more positive mood while creating WTRF. XXXOOO, Billy ================================= Bruce (LBVaughn@comcast.net) wrote: >>> Billy, >>> You are correct. Jaco died from injuries (declared brain dead after lapsing into a coma) sustained in a heated disagreement with a bouncer in an establishment that he'd been refused entrance to. His date of death, I believe was September of 1987 which would have made him about 35 or so. <<< >>> I suspect he and Joni parted ways due to Jaco's health (manic depression) and substance problems which from what I've read made him quite unpredictable and somewhat "black flagged" in the music world. I wouldn't know, but I suspect Joni is the type that when she's recording would be blisteringly angry when she had a head full of ideas and her bass player ended up MIA. <<< >>> WTRF was probably considered more of a happy album for any number of reasons. I've heard that it was supposed to be more of a rock styled album (not sure I'd call it that) but it was something different and fresh from what she had been doing. Klein was probably the largest influence on her mood at the time but WTRF was also her first release for a new record label and she might have had high hopes that they would treat her better than recent years with Asylum and it reunited her with David Geffen who was behind her more commercial successes, FTR, MOA, and CAS. Might have been a very optimistic Joni at that time. <<< Bruce in Tucson <<< - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:48:53 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Miles Beyond Monika wrote: >>> Well, what about them in particular makes you think they sound dated? And why do you find Harry's House superficial? We're all entitled to our own opinion but it's good to ask. Discussion is healthy. Just curious as always. <<< Almost everything, Monika. But to be more specific, I suddenly found most of the lyrics on THOSL to be soooooooo cliched compared to the classic, deeply confessional mid-period of BLUE, FTR and CAS. Disappointingly detached and emotionally bankrupt. I think "Shades of Scarlett Conquering" is weak both musically and lyrically, and "Harry's House" isn't much better. To me, they're largely nothing more than pretty sounding, superficial gloss and glitter, with very little discernible substance (as the majority of critics pointed out in 1975). And then 'Hejira' (in '76), while a bit more profound in the lyric department (except when compared to her most seminal period), was even LESS musically challenging than its predecessor--mostly droning from one chilly dirge to another. In some ways she rebounded a bit with DJRD in '77, but it was only a matter of time before she'd attempt a return to her earlier, most acclaimed sound (on WTRF)--with only mixed results. However, this is just the most popular general opinion (and the opinion I happen to share), and certainly some people feel differently. I can appreciate that. But at the same time, I occasionally feel the need to express my own point of view (like everyone else here)--just to balance things out, so-to-speak, and to make sure Joni's earlier brilliance is never overlooked or forgotten ;-) XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'We're Children of Coincidence and Harpo Marx' (1976) by Dory Previn - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 02:37:40 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Miles Beyond AJ (ajfashion@att.net) wrote: >>> I myself find "Harry's House" one the most profound JM songs of all. The timbre of her voice when she sings/speaks "Nothing's any good" made my hair stand on end the day the album came out, and still does... <<< Oh, yeah--and what about that thrilling part just afterwards (returning to the original melody), when she sings: "shining hair and shining skin, shining as she reeled him in..." with that all-too-brief but fabulous guitar flourish right in the middle!? Although I find it superficial, I ADORE that little moment of bliss! AJ added: >>> I find it an incredibly dense (in a good way) musical statement about not simply American culture in the 1970s, but still as timely in 2007 as it was when it came out. And it is a strangely bifurcated song, which makes it endlessly fascinating to me to this day. <<< AJ--you're not the only one who feels that way. But for me, that's part of the problem with THOSL: I didn't want a "dense, musical statement" about modern American culture coming from Joni (?). Instead, I wanted more of the brilliantly emotional, romantic poetry of the individual "heart and mind" that an entire generation had come to know and love. The style she'd finally perfected on CAS. XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'We the People' (1973) by Ellen McIlwaine - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #132 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:40:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re:Stevens' FMIP tribute Yeah, I can dig what you're saying Kenny...I knew it was FMIP with those opening horns. Anyway, if you wanna check out samples of ALL the tracks: http://www.atributetojonimitchell.com/ Bob NP: Feist, "The Water" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:27:10 -0700 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: Re: NJC Patti SMITH on 'The Tonight Show' Were the lyrics always: "Peace, children, it's just a VOTE away, it's just a vote away" ????? Rock ON, Patti! ~Richard in San Francisco n.p. Rufus Wainwright: "Release The Stars" . . . . . . .. Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 03:55:35 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: NJC Patti SMITH on 'The Tonight Show' Cassy (Siquomb@Comcast.net) asked: >>> did anyone catch Patti Smith on 'The Tonight Show' last night? She performed "Gimme Shelter"--it was excellent. <<< YES, Cassy--"Gimme Shelter" ROCKED! One of the best TV performances I've seen by Patti (or ANYONE, for that matter) in quite some time. It's also my favorite track on her new album ('twelve'). In fact, she hasn't recorded a cover THIS great since her scorching version of The Byrds' "(So You Want to Be a) Rock and Roll Star" on the 'Wave' (1979) album. And I wish she'd covered Jefferson Airplane's "Somebody to Love" on her new disc (man, she coulda rocked THAT one, TOO!) instead of "White Rabbit" (which, unfortunately, doesn't really work for me). XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 00:17:45 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: NJC streaming audio - Martin Sexton WXPN - Philadelphia, Live Lunch Radio Broadcast Tomorrow Friday, May 4th will feature Martin Sexton. XPN Free At Noon. It is possible to tune in online at: http://www.xpn.org/listen_live/listen.php I hope someone finds this as interesting as I do. Warmly, Cassy NP: Frou Frou - Let Go ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 00:44:32 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Crown and Anchor I was discussing jewelry with a friend today. We were talking about the hallmarks inside rings and on the backs of quality jewelry. Many pieces have a crown and an anchor. I began giving a little thought to the lyric "Crown and Anchor me or let me sail away" and wondered... I guess I'd never really given that little couplet much thought before. I wonder if I missed the meaning for all these years. Now when I think of the hallmarks in gold jewelry and think of a wedding ring with those stamps inside I believe she meant "marry me or let me go". Duh. It just hit me like a ton of bricks, I actually have an antique wedding ring with those marks inside. What do you think? Cassy NP: Bonnie Raiit - Who But a Fool (Thief into Paradise) If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 05:04:10 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni mentions at a People's Party Bon soir, Joniami(e)s! It's very late as I walk in, and I hope my talking, as it rambles, doesn't reveal suspicious reasoning or anything, but I just have to share some enchanted evening I just had. It may be inchoate (Hi Richard!) but I have to get it out tonight or it will be lost to tomorrow. All the people at this party They've got a lot of style They've got stamps of many countries They've got passport smiles Exactement! It was an end-of-the-academic-year party at a beautiful 1800's farmhouse, filled with wonderful intelligent and bright people from all over the world, but mostly from Europe. Bohemians. I love Bohemians! The party was mostly for our friend and colleague Ed who is retiring. I love this guy so much. He's a French professor, and one of my best friends in the department. He nursed his wife so lovingly through ovarian cancer for years, and lost her two years ago. Too sad. But now he is remarried, and I met his new wife tonight for the first time. They looked so happy, and I am so happy for them. He was so excited to introduce me to her. I loved her immediately. At one point, I mentioned Joni (imaginez-vous!), and Ed rolled his eyes (as if to say: Uh, oh, here she goes again.) Maureen grabbed my hand and said: "I *knew" there was some reason I liked you right away. I love Joni Mitchell, too!" So there, Ed! Another great Joni moment pour moi was my student worker Erica, and her boyfriend from a Grecian Isle (but not a red-neck). I hired Erica on August 15th, the day I was going to see CSNY. I was rather bubbling over with enthusiasm during the interview, and told her where I was going that night. She said: "I love CSNY!" I said: Really? Do you know them? She said: Yes. I am a folksinger. Me: Do you know Joni Mitchell? Erica: I LOVE Joni Mitchell! Me: You're hired!!!! So much for affirmative Joni Mitchell action! (I think the word is out on campus that if you want a job in the Department of Modern and Classical Languages, just mention "Joni Mitchell" and you're a shoe-in.....LOL! I don't care, baby, I'm so Joni square) ANYWAY, as I was leaving the party, Erica and Stefanos were starting to play their guitars, and Erica announced, rather shyly (oh, I wish you could meet her, she's such a love, with impossibly gentle hands, like a Botticelli girl): "I am going to do a Joni Mitchell song for you all, because if it weren't for Joni Mitchell, I would not have this job. And this one is for Patti." Oh, love is touching souls. They sang Both Sides Now. Musik Meister Muller, I will have to have her tape it for you. It was beautiful. Just absof#$#inlutelyy beautiful. Oh, one more Joni thing (help me....she's talkiing and she won't shut up!). At this people's party was our exchange French professor....here for only one year. I told him that I am so sorry he is leaving. He came here because he loves American music. But he had never heard of Joni before....go figure. So of course I came to the rescue and loaned him FTR for a start. And of course he fell in love. I told him he can't go back to France because he has not completed his Joni education. He laughed, and kissed me deux fois as the French always do, and told me that we can do an on-line independent study. Alors, VOILA! I will do it. That's a promise that I made. Pardon my crazy Joni shoo-bop ce soir. Just had to get it out. And really, I only had two glasses of sweet champagne tonight. Vive la Joan! Thank you for this place, Joni lovers. Love and peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 01:48:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Cinco de Mayo @ Rockwood Sala de =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FAsica_?=(NJC) The Honduran Fertility Goddess Speaks! Yes, I admit it, it's shameless self-promotion. However, I do want to let any JoniListas in the NYC area know that I have an early show (6:00 pm) at Rockwood Music Hall this Saturday, Cinco de Mayo. See below for the details of my pathetic begging, oops, I mean, attempts to publicize my show. I'm still pissed that JoniFest is over. :-) Kay - ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Cinco de Mayo @ Rockwood Sala de Mzsica From: "Kay Ashley" Date: Fri, May 4, 2007 1:34 am To: kay@kayashley.com - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Friends, I've got a fun show coming up this weekend at a very odd time -- 6:00 pm on Saturday. Wow, that's very odd, I hear you all say. Well, yes it is. However, I am hoping that I can convince you that this is actually a cool time to come out to hear me play. Think of it as a pre-dinner cocktail hour with music. Or a very late High Tea (unfortunately, there's no clotted cream at the Rockwood) with music. Or a weekend Happy Hour for all you poor suckers who are still temping on the weekends, with, you guessed it, music. And this Saturday is Cinco de Mayo to boot. So get your evening started right at the hippest joint below Houston. To make things even more exciting than they already are, I've invited my amazingly talented friends Allison Tartalia and Denise Barbarita to join me for part of my set. They'll each do a song of their own and will most likely be unable to contain themselves and will end up on stage during some of my songs as well. Saturday, May 5th, 2007 Rockwood Music Hall - http://www.rockwoodmusichall.com Kay Ashley & Friends - 6:00 pm 196 Allen Street New York, NY 10002 212.477.4155 Price: No cover Hope to see you there! Kay http://www.kayashley.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- Change your info? Stop the emails? Easy! 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