From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #175 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 30 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 175 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SV: Tribute review ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Tracking Reviews of the New JM Tribute CD [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: SV: Tribute review [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC To write or not to write, that is the question? ["AJ" ] Reviews of the Reviews [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: NJC To write or not to write, that is the question? ["Donna Binkley" ] NJC Songs you repeat....I forgot.... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: SV: SV: Tribute review [Catherine McKay ] Re: SV: SV: Tribute review ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] I Was Amelia Earhart by Jane Mendelsohn [Dflahm@aol.com] Joni's guitar tunings and question [Motitan@aol.com] Cactus Tree [Motitan@aol.com] SV: SV: SV: Tribute review ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Cactus Tree [Em ] Tribute album: What happened to? ["Tortorici, Frank" ] SV: Cactus Tree ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Tribute review ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: I Was Amelia Earhart by Jane Mendelsohn [jeannie ] Re: Joni & Jaco [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: "NU-cle-ar" or "NU-cu-lar" NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Black Crow Lemper [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: I Was Amelia Earhart by Jane Mendelsohn ["AJ" ] RE : Black Crow Lemper [Joseph Palis ] Re: NJC "NU-cle-ar" or "NU-cu-lar" ;-) [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: NJC "NU-cle-ar" or "NU-cu-lar" ;-) [Wtking59@cs.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:32:44 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Tribute review Yes, and as a reader of that review, you dont get much interested in the person whos being paid respect to. My guess is he didnt choose to do this review but was asked to by the paper he works for, or he is interested in the performing artists but not in Joni. So why am I moaning about this? Because it is not every day  or year, for that matter  that you get to read anything about Joni in a Swedish newspaper, and when you do, I would have hoped it to be just a little more informed. Most people buying the cd in Sweden will probably not be initial Joni-fans but hopefully get curious about her own recordings of the songs. So in the end, the review might be useful after all! Oh, and Monika, about your brother insisting Joni is a folksinger  I bet hes just teasing you:-). Marion _____ Fren: Motitan@aol.com [mailto:Motitan@aol.com] Skickat: den 30 april 2007 04:33 Till: marionleffler@telia.com; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Tribute review A somewhat contradictory opinion, or so it seems to me. I get the feeling that the person reviewing couldn't make up his mind about the cd - is it good or not? And he does not seem to be a great fan of Joni's - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------- Well, so the question is can you like a tribute cd of an artist you don't originally like? I don't understand why you would get such a cd if you don't like the artist who is being paid respect to but....in this circumstance this is the guy's job to rate and review...... - -Monika _____ See what's free at AOL.com . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:48:40 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Tracking Reviews of the New JM Tribute CD Hi folks. Scouring the Australian press for a review of the tribute album, I found a these three reviews. The first is from the Sydney Morning Herald (a respected broadsheet newspaper). It was accompanied by a fabulous photograph of a barefoot Joni in possibly her garden. http://www.smh.com.au/news/cd-reviews/a-tribute-to-joni-mitchell/2007/ 04/20/1176697074993.html A Tribute to Joni Mitchell Bernard Zuel, reviewer April 20, 2007 Should a tribute album adhere closely to the original songs or should it be a radical reinterpretation? Joni Mitchell Artist Various artists Genre Folk/World, Pop Label Warner Should a tribute album adhere closely to the original songs or should it be a radical reinterpretation? There is no right answer, as is obvious with this attempt to pay respect to one of the great songwriters of our time. But I do think the key lies in making us believe that this song could be for you, or speak for you. The two best examples here do just that. Prince doesn't reconstruct A Case of You but he does reshape it into something between gospel and a slow soul seduction. Much more radical is what Bjork does to Boho Dance, almost inverting the original rhythm, stretching the phrasing and emphasising the words with her pronounced enunciation. The result posits the song very much in the realm of Bjork's vocal-only Medulla album but at the same time connects with the lyrical heart of Mitchell's original. I gained nothing from James Taylor's attractive take on River but even the perpetually nice Sarah McLachlan brings something to Blue. You may raise an eyebrow at Caetano Veloso's carnivale remodelling of Dreamland, though it feels quite natural quite quickly, just as you may nod with familiarity at k.d. lang's straightforward Help Me, though it too works because it feels close to her skin. But I doubt anyone will have any complaints about The Magdalene Laundries where that fine interpreter, Emmylou Harris, inhabits the pain and the dignity completely. I also found a brief review on the ABC's music site, "dig" with a YouTube clip of an early Joni performance of A Case of You. Here's the URL http://www.abc.net.au/dig/stories/s1901692.htm ":: A Tribute To Joni Mitchell - various artists Just about everybody has had one of these tribute albums dedicated to them - where a range of artists cover the material of one songwriter. It's amazing that it has taken this long to get to Joni Mitchell, one of the great female songwriters. There are plenty of fantastic Joni songs to be covered, and here the bunch of interpreters includes Sufjan Stevens, Cassandra Wilson, Emmylou Harris, Bjork, Elvis Costello, k.d. lang and Prince." The album was released in Australia on April 28. I found it for sale at Sanity (ex HMV) for $29.99. While JB HI-FI's release date is June 1 but their price is $23.99. Sanity's review will obviously be biased to sell the album but here is their review. A Tribute To Joni Mitchell features a strikingly eclectic roster of artists who share Mitchells fierce intelligence, musical sophistication and boundary-pushing experimentalism. They creatively interpret some of her best-known songs, along with some of her most challenging material, illustrating Mitchells breadth as a composer and lyricist while putting their own signatures on the songs theyve chosen. On A Tribute to Joni Mitchell, Sufjan Stevens, Bjvrk, Caetano Veloso, Brad Mehldau, Cassandra Wilson, Prince, Sarah McLachlan, Annie Lennox, Emmylou Harris, Elvis Costello, k.d. lang, and James Taylor take Joni Mitchells music in wide-ranging directions. With such an impressive, genre-crossing roster of talent having worked on this album, A Tribute To Joni Mitchell will appeal to an equally wide-ranging, multigenerational audience, from longtime Mitchell fans to those just discovering the depth of her artistry now. I also found this article of Joni's upcoming album, Shine on ABC's web site. Joni returns to making music By Adele O'Hare. Posted: Sunday, April 22 2007 . Singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell is coming out of retirement, with a new album due out later this year. After leaving the music industry in 2002 and bitterly criticising what she saw as its fickle obsession with youth and the next money-making hit, Mitchell is now working on an album tentatively called Shine, full of new songs and a new version of 'Big Yellow Taxi'. Interviewer Paul Sexton finds Mitchell's latest work displays renewed energy and passion. "Pieces such as 'Shine' and 'If' (inspired by Rudyard Kipling) resonate with bruised but unbroken optimism, not to mention an absolute refusal to be classifiable: one moment she's jazz, the next classical, then occasionally pop." Mitchell has spent the last few years painting and collaborating on a Canadian ballet based on her songs. She remains an icon, with five Grammys under her belt and a reputation as her generation's most eloquent songwriter. But Mitchell tells Sexton that she's not considered a poet the way Bob Dylan and Jim Morrison are. She's not a fan of poetry anyway, quoting Nietzsche's observation that poets muddy the water so they might appear deep. Still, she's pleased that her lyrics continue to resonate with many: "This girl came up to me in the green room at the Grammys and said, 'Girl, you make me see pictures in my head.' To me, that's better than poetry." Mark in Sydney. Covering Australia for the JM community. NP Help Me (Messenger Mix) - Nina Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:31:36 -1000 From: Subject: hey les what about the CD tree????????cmon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:43:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: Tribute review Also, I think if you were to read "genreless music" as "music that defies genre", then it comes across as very positive. - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > True, Bob, and I suppose I should be grateful the > reviewer didnt label her > a folk singerStill, he seemed to know more about > the artists doing the > tribute than about Joni. > > > _____ > > Fren: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] > Skickat: den 30 april 2007 00:38 > Till: Marion Leffler; 'JMDL' > Dmne: Re: Tribute review > > unusually genreless > tribute to an unusually genreless artist, who never > has > been able to make > any other music than precisely her own.> > > > > He may not be a big Joni fan, but I really like this > sentence. Ultimately > when someone asks what kind of music Joni plays, > about all you can say is > "Joni music". > Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:23:36 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: NJC To write or not to write, that is the question? Motitan, I'm in the middle of a family crisis right now (aging parents), so I haven't even had time to take care of the quotidian tasks of my own life, but in a few weeks I'd be happy to take a look at it. (I've published three books of poetry, a short story in a national magazine, and have an agent for my novel.) Let me know. And the answer to "to write or not to write," is NOT TO, if you have any choice in the matter, because it is a pursuit full of rejection, even if you 'succeed,' and the rewards are largely in the 'doing' of it. Aleda (AJ) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: NJC To write or not to write, that is the question? > Hey people. I was just wondering if anyone would want to (or be nice > enough > to) read a short story I wrote? It's only 383 pages long. Just kidding, > it's a mere 4 pages in length. I always have these ideas for stories, > feel > inspired for a couple of days, do nothing about it.....and then the > moment > passes with nothing written down. I've had so many good ideas simply go > to waste > because I didn't try to write them in the moment. That's how I write > songs---I feel inspired, grab a pen and get to it. With stories and > things like > that, you need to actually sit down and take a load of more time to it > and I > just never get around to it. I mean I've written a couple of short > stories > before for school but this is the first one I've done it just for my own. > I > wrote one entire movie script before but ended up burning it because I > hated it > that much (lit a match and boom!). I also had written half of another > movie > script which I actually LIKED and would have finished if only my computer > had > not crashed.......and yes I saved it to a disc but on Microsoft Works, > not > word, so I could never open it up anywhere and have it be normal. And I > used > to write poetry in my teen years but that ended when I started writing > songs. > And with songs, I like to perform them in public. I like to share. > It's part of the process to me. So with this story I'd like some people > to read > it. Any takers? Just email me offlist and I'd be happy to email you it. > -Monika > P.S. I also don't read very much fiction so I never knew quite how to > start > stories or keep them going, structure wise. I mean I've read many books > before but never paid attention to the intricate details...yeah. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:16:43 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: Tribute review I would agree with you, Catherine, were it not for the phrasing "..unusually genreless artist, who never has been able to make any other music than precisely her own". Has not been able to - as opposed to did not want to. That somehow to me negates the positive statement which is why I think the review is contradictory. - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Catherine McKay Skickat: den 30 april 2007 13:43 Till: Marion Leffler; 'Bob Muller'; 'JMDL' Dmne: Re: SV: Tribute review Also, I think if you were to read "genreless music" as "music that defies genre", then it comes across as very positive. - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > True, Bob, and I suppose I should be grateful the > reviewer didnt label her > a folk singerStill, he seemed to know more about > the artists doing the > tribute than about Joni. > > > _____ > > Fren: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] > Skickat: den 30 april 2007 00:38 > Till: Marion Leffler; 'JMDL' > Dmne: Re: Tribute review > > unusually genreless > tribute to an unusually genreless artist, who never > has > been able to make > any other music than precisely her own.> > > > > He may not be a big Joni fan, but I really like this > sentence. Ultimately > when someone asks what kind of music Joni plays, > about all you can say is > "Joni music". > Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:37:36 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Reviews of the Reviews In a message dated 4/30/2007 3:05:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Her voice can't fly like Mitchell's in her heyday, I LOVE that line (in the NJ newspaper review of Tribute.) Kenny B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:12:53 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: NJC To write or not to write, that is the question? Monika, I'd love to read your story. I'm not a book critic, but I am an avid reader and part of a cooperative writers group originally started by our own KennyB. I'll be happy to put you in touch with the present editor. I've submitted quite a few short stories to this publication and very much enjoy being a part of it. Please do send me your story and let me know if you are interested in the group. Donna >>> "AJ" 4/30/2007 8:23 AM >>> Motitan, I'm in the middle of a family crisis right now (aging parents), so I haven't even had time to take care of the quotidian tasks of my own life, but in a few weeks I'd be happy to take a look at it. (I've published three books of poetry, a short story in a national magazine, and have an agent for my novel.) Let me know. And the answer to "to write or not to write," is NOT TO, if you have any choice in the matter, because it is a pursuit full of rejection, even if you 'succeed,' and the rewards are largely in the 'doing' of it. Aleda (AJ) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: NJC To write or not to write, that is the question? > Hey people. I was just wondering if anyone would want to (or be nice > enough > to) read a short story I wrote? It's only 383 pages long. Just kidding, > it's a mere 4 pages in length. I always have these ideas for stories, > feel > inspired for a couple of days, do nothing about it.....and then the > moment > passes with nothing written down. I've had so many good ideas simply go > to waste > because I didn't try to write them in the moment. That's how I write > songs---I feel inspired, grab a pen and get to it. With stories and > things like > that, you need to actually sit down and take a load of more time to it > and I > just never get around to it. I mean I've written a couple of short > stories > before for school but this is the first one I've done it just for my own. > I > wrote one entire movie script before but ended up burning it because I > hated it > that much (lit a match and boom!). I also had written half of another > movie > script which I actually LIKED and would have finished if only my computer > had > not crashed.......and yes I saved it to a disc but on Microsoft Works, > not > word, so I could never open it up anywhere and have it be normal. And I > used > to write poetry in my teen years but that ended when I started writing > songs. > And with songs, I like to perform them in public. I like to share. > It's part of the process to me. So with this story I'd like some people > to read > it. Any takers? Just email me offlist and I'd be happy to email you it. > -Monika > P.S. I also don't read very much fiction so I never knew quite how to > start > stories or keep them going, structure wise. I mean I've read many books > before but never paid attention to the intricate details...yeah. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ( http://www.aol.com./ ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:13:02 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: NJC Songs you repeat....I forgot.... The following: - -Rock & Roll Woman: Buffalo Springfield (I play this song a million times in a row when I listen to it) - -I Give You Give Blind: Crosby, Stills, & Nash (same thing) - -Words (Between The Lines Of Age): Neil Young - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:06:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: SV: Tribute review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > I would agree with you, Catherine, were it not for > the phrasing "..unusually > genreless artist, who never has been able to make > any other music than > precisely her own". Has not been able to - as > opposed to did not want to. > That somehow to me negates the positive statement > which is why I think the > review is contradictory. > Just wondering whether it's one of those things that gets lost in translation. Without understanding a word of Swedish (I think you said the review was in Swedish?), I have occasionally tried to translate things from French to English and, even when I think I understand what the French is trying to say, I can't express it properly in English either. It never seems to sound right (and thus, I gave up on trying to be a translator, because you can get into arguments about what is the *right* word to use and, after a while, I just get tired of all the arguing). To me, if someone says that Joan "never has been able to make any other music than precisely her own", it could be that he is ambivalent about her, or it could be that he is giving her very high praise, that everything she writes is unique and that she's incapable of writing an ordinary song. In any case, the fact that he seems to be contradicting himself, or possibly damning Joni with faint praise probably means that either he's not a very good writer, or was taught by his parents, "If you can't say something good, then don't say anything at all," but was required by his editor to produce some sort of review and weasled his way out by writing ambiguously (which is, I think, what you said in the first place.) Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:22:03 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: SV: SV: Tribute review If someone asked me to reveiw the tribute album, I would have to express mixed feelings about it. There's no reason to be wholly positive or wholly negative in reviewing anything. Quoting Catherine McKay : > --- Marion Leffler wrote: > >> I would agree with you, Catherine, were it not for >> the phrasing "..unusually >> genreless artist, who never has been able to make >> any other music than >> precisely her own". Has not been able to - as >> opposed to did not want to. >> That somehow to me negates the positive statement >> which is why I think the >> review is contradictory. >> > > Just wondering whether it's one of those things that > gets lost in translation. Without understanding a word > of Swedish (I think you said the review was in > Swedish?), I have occasionally tried to translate > things from French to English and, even when I think I > understand what the French is trying to say, I can't > express it properly in English either. It never seems > to sound right (and thus, I gave up on trying to be a > translator, because you can get into arguments about > what is the *right* word to use and, after a while, I > just get tired of all the arguing). > > To me, if someone says that Joan "never has been able > to make any other music than precisely her own", it > could be that he is ambivalent about her, or it could > be that he is giving her very high praise, that > everything she writes is unique and that she's > incapable of writing an ordinary song. > > In any case, the fact that he seems to be > contradicting himself, or possibly damning Joni with > faint praise probably means that either he's not a > very good writer, or was taught by his parents, "If > you can't say something good, then don't say anything > at all," but was required by his editor to produce > some sort of review and weasled his way out by writing > ambiguously (which is, I think, what you said in the > first place.) > > > Catherine > Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:32:51 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: SV: Tribute review Yes, your right there, too, it's hard to translate and since I get this ambivalent feeling from the review, I might have misinterpreted it. So let's choose the positive alternative and conclude it was a glowing review! It makes me feel more at ease, so why not? (Or maybe I should email the guy and ask him what he actually did intend?) Anyway, three cheers to Joni for this celebration of her music! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Catherine McKay Skickat: den 30 april 2007 17:07 Till: Marion Leffler; 'Bob Muller'; 'JMDL' Dmne: Re: SV: SV: Tribute review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > I would agree with you, Catherine, were it not for > the phrasing "..unusually > genreless artist, who never has been able to make > any other music than > precisely her own". Has not been able to - as > opposed to did not want to. > That somehow to me negates the positive statement > which is why I think the > review is contradictory. > Just wondering whether it's one of those things that gets lost in translation. Without understanding a word of Swedish (I think you said the review was in Swedish?), I have occasionally tried to translate things from French to English and, even when I think I understand what the French is trying to say, I can't express it properly in English either. It never seems to sound right (and thus, I gave up on trying to be a translator, because you can get into arguments about what is the *right* word to use and, after a while, I just get tired of all the arguing). To me, if someone says that Joan "never has been able to make any other music than precisely her own", it could be that he is ambivalent about her, or it could be that he is giving her very high praise, that everything she writes is unique and that she's incapable of writing an ordinary song. In any case, the fact that he seems to be contradicting himself, or possibly damning Joni with faint praise probably means that either he's not a very good writer, or was taught by his parents, "If you can't say something good, then don't say anything at all," but was required by his editor to produce some sort of review and weasled his way out by writing ambiguously (which is, I think, what you said in the first place.) Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:46:23 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: I Was Amelia Earhart by Jane Mendelsohn This novel was published in 1996. Anyone read it? I WAS AMELIA EARHART by Jane Mendelsohn David Lahm ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:48:42 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni's guitar tunings and question Lately I've been looking through different Joni songs and have been working on playing them (not singing but playing...as the singing will be a little more tough for me so I must choose very carefully what song/s to perform live in my sets and so forth). It's just crazy how many tunings she has used! I've been going through just about 4 or 5 different tuninggs so far (not counting dropped D or double dropped/D modal which I am already comfortable with from previous experience with those tunings) playing songs or parts of songs (parts I like and what not) to get more familiar with the sounds/melodies of these tunings. I want to be comfortable with a load of other tunings....maybe to the point of standard tuning, though that'll take a while but I've got time. Time is unlimited as far as I see it and music has no end. Now my question to the fellow musicians on this list, do you guys regularly use other tunings or still play more in standard? Are you as comfortable in different ones as you are in standard? Do you have a favorite tuning? Ok, that was more than one question. Sue me, will you? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:53:26 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Cactus Tree What do you gys think of this song? I have a renewed affection for this song. I remember when I first got STAS I liked this song but wouldn't call it a favorite or didn't really think about it too much. It was good but nothing great I had thought. I changed my mind though. I saw a performance of this song by Joni of course real early on and got something more out of it. Ever since then, I've been listening to it more. So what's YOUR verdict? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:08:11 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: SV: Tribute review Of course not, but there's nothing wrong with being unambiguous about it, is there? - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: rflynn@frontiernet.net [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Skickat: den 30 april 2007 17:22 Till: Catherine McKay Kopia: Marion Leffler; 'Bob Muller'; 'JMDL' Dmne: Re: SV: SV: Tribute review If someone asked me to reveiw the tribute album, I would have to express mixed feelings about it. There's no reason to be wholly positive or wholly negative in reviewing anything. Quoting Catherine McKay : > --- Marion Leffler wrote: > >> I would agree with you, Catherine, were it not for >> the phrasing "..unusually >> genreless artist, who never has been able to make >> any other music than >> precisely her own". Has not been able to - as >> opposed to did not want to. >> That somehow to me negates the positive statement >> which is why I think the >> review is contradictory. >> > > Just wondering whether it's one of those things that > gets lost in translation. Without understanding a word > of Swedish (I think you said the review was in > Swedish?), I have occasionally tried to translate > things from French to English and, even when I think I > understand what the French is trying to say, I can't > express it properly in English either. It never seems > to sound right (and thus, I gave up on trying to be a > translator, because you can get into arguments about > what is the *right* word to use and, after a while, I > just get tired of all the arguing). > > To me, if someone says that Joan "never has been able > to make any other music than precisely her own", it > could be that he is ambivalent about her, or it could > be that he is giving her very high praise, that > everything she writes is unique and that she's > incapable of writing an ordinary song. > > In any case, the fact that he seems to be > contradicting himself, or possibly damning Joni with > faint praise probably means that either he's not a > very good writer, or was taught by his parents, "If > you can't say something good, then don't say anything > at all," but was required by his editor to produce > some sort of review and weasled his way out by writing > ambiguously (which is, I think, what you said in the > first place.) > > > Catherine > Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Cactus Tree top notch! Em - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > What do you gys think of this song? I have a renewed affection for > this > song. I remember when I first got STAS I liked this song but > wouldn't call it a > favorite or didn't really think about it too much. It was good but > nothing > great I had thought. I changed my mind though. I saw a performance > of this > song by Joni of course real early on and got something more out of > it. Ever > since then, I've been listening to it more. > So what's YOUR verdict? > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:51:52 -0400 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Subject: Tribute album: What happened to? Saw the tracklist for the Joni tribute CD in Target yesterday. What happened to Lindsey Buckingham's Big Yellow Taxi, Duncan Sheik's Court and Spark and a few others? I guess since it was a decade in the making some artists fell off??? Frank Frank Tortorici Associate Director, Communications/Media Relations The Conference Board (212) 339-0231 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:28:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Re: Tribute review Huh? Like Joan Baez did a bunch of octave jumps? Naw, not often. Woody Guthrie & Bob Dylan & Richard Thompson did octave jumps? Not in my neighborhood they didn't. Minnie Ripperton, yes. Mariah Carey, yes. Bjork, yes. Those 3 don't define the category of folk singers, so, in my book Joni's beyond category. The next time your brother tries some reductionism like that, say, "Mend your speech a little, lest you mar your fortunes." Shakespeare usually stops 'em in their tracks. (Okay, maybe Sandy Denny did octave jumps; I don't know.) Jim L. "oh hear how she just goes and sings high out of nowhere like all those other folk singers." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:35:47 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Cactus Tree Cactus tree is one of the songs I repeat when playing STAS. It fascinated me right from the start. Ah, freedom! But - a heart that's full and hollow! All these guys pursuing her, and she only means to please them and keep her freedom at the same time - not an easy stance, certainly not in the sixties when Joni wrote the song. As she says on the WOHAM-dvd, there was no "free" love really in that revolutionary decade, "it came with all sorts of strings attached", for women, that is. When I first heard that song I felt some sort of relief, and I still feel encouraged by it to this day, even if it makes me a little sad as well. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Motitan@aol.com Skickat: den 30 april 2007 17:53 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Cactus Tree What do you gys think of this song? I have a renewed affection for this song. I remember when I first got STAS I liked this song but wouldn't call it a favorite or didn't really think about it too much. It was good but nothing great I had thought. I changed my mind though. I saw a performance of this song by Joni of course real early on and got something more out of it. Ever since then, I've been listening to it more. So what's YOUR verdict? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:09:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Tribute review Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\) wrote: > Huh? Like Joan Baez did a bunch of octave jumps? > Naw, not often. I don't agree, Jim. Both of her live versions at Woodstock and Live Aid of Swing Low Sweet Chariot jumped octaves thrillingly and she can still do it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:18:47 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: I Was Amelia Earhart by Jane Mendelsohn No, but I'll try to get a hold of a copy. Amelia Earhart and Jenny Lind were my first true heriones after Mother Mary (I went to a wonderful neighborhood catholic school with the best Belgian nuns and priests ever.) I was eight and nine years old fascinated with these women of heart and mind and courage and didn't get another heroine until Joni and that's why I'm here! Sincerely, Jean Dflahm@aol.com wrote:. This novel was published in 1996. Anyone read it? I WAS AMELIA EARHART by Jane Mendelsohn David Lahm ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Dreaming Dreamland, Jeannie jjj . - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:19:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: Tracking Reviews of the New JM Tribute CD Thanks for assiduously posting the reviews for Joni's Tribute album from the Australian press. I am co-teaching a class this semester where one of the requirements of the class is for students to scour the online newspapers of a particular region of the world and see how the US is depicted in their papers (www.watchingamerica.com being one of the interesting links). So naturally, reading reviews of the tribute album from Sweden to Australia and the US and Canada is a delightful read. While I don't want to lapse into a generalization where reviewers from different parts of the world has the tendency to say this and that while the reviewers from across the ocean say this and that, but I find it highly compelling when reviewers agree or disagree on something but with very different reasons. I have read mixed reviews about the performances of Sufjan Stevens and Bjork and k.d. lang but I have yet to hear pianist Brad Mehldau being singled out. And for some reason, I am more excited to hear his instrumental version than most vocals (most of which I already heard before) and how it coheres in the whole album. Is there a strong bias for vocals? Or is Mehldau's effort better served in an all-instrumental Joni tribute album? I would like to see an all-piano version (whether solo or piano-led) of Joni songs. That would be interesting -- Mehldau willnot be out of place alongside versions of David Lahm or Fred Simon. They can also include a classical pianist to see how Joni's songs hold up when rendered in the classical vein (Yves Thibaudet or Lang Lang or Emmanuel Ax would be great). I respect reviewers' points of view even if they differ from my own view especially if they say something novel in their discourse that will give me the impression they listened to the whole album more than once (and more than once a day). But given the way music reviewers are given an incredibly short time to review, some of the first impressions they may have might change in the future. I read this fascinating NYT article about a classical music reviewer who recommended that people should not be afraid to recant from their earlier reviews if they feel that the music revealed new nuances upon repeated listens. Sort of like what Maya Angelou counseled about not being afraid of taking a different path than what is conventional and if that path turned out to be not what you thought it was, to be unafraid to choose a new path and admit one's mistake. I know someone who writes reviews for allmusic.com and he told me that he takes an inordinately long time to process his thoughts before committing them to paper -- to the exasperation of some people who wanted him to turn in reviews by the deadline. He said that he wants the review to stand on its own and will hopefully be read again by people in years to come rather than a hastily assembled one that is equal parts appropriately mean and appropriately glowing. And some of the reviews I read I don't agree with like everyone else. I guess I bring my own subject position when I gauge something which is not the final word either. Sorry for rambling. Joseph in Chapel Hill (happy that the semester is drawing to a close) np: Keith Jarrett - Koln Concert, Part II b - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:28:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: I Was Amelia Earhart by Jane Mendelsohn NJC Never read it, BUT we did have Amelia Earhart luggage when I was a kid - it always scared the hell out of me to be packing for a trip and thinking of someone who died while traveling. Bob NP: Laura Nyro, "Christmas In My Soul" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:43:08 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: I Was Amelia Earhart by Jane Mendelsohn Wie Dflahm@aol.com so vortrefflich formulierte: > This novel was published in 1996. Anyone read it? > I WAS AMELIA EARHART by Jane Mendelsohn I haven't read the book but after I read the synopsis I was sure I never will. I personally find the idea of a love story of A.E. and her navigator Fred Noonan a horrible one. And to have it narrated as first-person-singular - it makes me suffer just to think of it. As of books related to A.E., I happily recommend what I have already read: * Ric Gillespie, Finding Amelia: The True Story of the Earhart Disappearance http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/1591143195/ref=nosim/cagnlace00/ (more info on Gillespie at www.tighar.org) * Susan Butler, East to the Dawn: The Life of Amelia Earhart http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0306808870/ref=nosim/cagnlace00/ * Amelia Earhart, Last Flight http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0609800329/ref=nosim/cagnlace00/ And if you have a spare hour (or two or three...), check this: http://www.lib.purdue.edu/spcol/aearhart/ Cheerio! (as A.E. would have said here) moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:47:42 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: I Was Amelia Earhart by Jane Mendelsohn CORRECTION - NJC Sorry, I wrote the links to Amazon Germany instead of Amazon USA. So, here are the US links! * Ric Gillespie, Finding Amelia: The True Story of the Earhart Disappearance http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1591143195/ref=nosim/cagnlace00/ * Susan Butler, East to the Dawn: The Life of Amelia Earhart http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0306808870/ref=nosim/cagnlace00/ * Amelia Earhart, Last Flight http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0609800329/ref=nosim/cagnlace00/ And if you have a spare hour (or two or three...), check this: http://www.lib.purdue.edu/spcol/aearhart/ Cheerio! (as A.E. would have said here) moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:31:37 +0100 From: "Gordon MacKie" Subject: Black Crow Lemper Greetings from Scotland y'all, The great Ute Lemper was performing in Edinburgh on Sunday evening and as part of her encore, sang Black Crow.( She was in Paris on Saturday...did you see her Laurent?) It was electric ! As a devotee of Diana Krall, I have to say Ute blew her version out of the water. Having see Krall do this live ( in Paris) , this was hard to beat. Mind you, that Mitchell wummin can sing it I hear. Me happy,...hope she records it one day...if you get a chance to see her, you should give her a try. She says she wont try to sing the 'American Songbook" ( i.e. Gershwin, Kern, Porter et al) as she 'has' to sing the "European Songbook" ( partly due to not been told about the Nazi period in Germany when she was growing up) . Lots of Brel, Brecht and Weil etc. Lemper is also a really interesting painter....for my money , better than....no I'm not going to say it....you can guess though Cheerio the noo Gordon x PS Waddayamean you've never herard of her. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:28:32 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jaco HEY, Monika Well, apart from her marriage to Klein--yet another bass player--you ARE aware that Jaco died relatively young, aren't you? Killed in a bar fight of some sort, if I'm not mistaken. I've forgotten the exact year, but it's been a while. XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'Strange Angels' (1989) by Laurie Anderson ======================================= Monika (Motitan@aol.com) asked: >>> My question is, why did they stop working/playing (is playing music working? Yes and no!) together? Is it because she moved out of the jazz swing for a bit or because of Larry Klein or because Jaco had other obligations or more likely a combination of various reasons? - - -Monika <<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:45:17 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: "NU-cle-ar" or "NU-cu-lar" NJC Over here in U-rup the Brits usually say nyoo-clee-er (accent on first syllable) while the Spanish would say noo-clay-are (accent on final syllable). What about Eye-Rack or Irack? mike in bcn np Tom Jobim & Elis Regina - Elis and Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:45:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Black Crow Lemper Of course I've heard of her - she performed at Wall 2 Wall in NYC and also recorded 'Moon At The Window' on her last album. She's a legend in my book. Bob NP: Joni, "Don't Go To Strangers" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:00:35 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: I Was Amelia Earhart by Jane Mendelsohn - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: I Was Amelia Earhart by Jane Mendelsohn > This novel was published in 1996. Anyone read it? > > I WAS AMELIA EARHART by Jane Mendelsohn > > David Lahm Many people liked it, but I found it ordinary and basically popular fiction (nothing wrong with that) aspiring unsuccessfully to literary fiction. JMO. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:12:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Black Crow Lemper I too Ute Lemper! This woman artist also acts, paints and writes. Immensely talented. She was recently in Palo Alto and performed in Stanford to a capacity audience who were all impressed by ver vocal versatility, her erudition of all things musical and literary. I heard her sing "Moon at the Window" from her recent album "Live at the Carlyle" -- an underrated album that should go beyond the cabaret circuits. And do check out her femme fatale role in "Fauves de Combat" as well as her naked cameo in Altman's"Pret-a-Porter". Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Tom Ze Com Defeito Fabricacao - --- Gordon MacKie a icrit : > Greetings from Scotland y'all, > > The great Ute Lemper was performing in Edinburgh on > Sunday evening and as part of her encore, sang Black > Crow.( She was in Paris on Saturday...did you see > her Laurent?) It was electric ! As a devotee of > Diana Krall, I have to say Ute blew her version out > of the water. Having see Krall do this live ( in > Paris) , this was hard to beat. Mind you, that > Mitchell wummin can sing it I hear. > > Me happy,...hope she records it one day...if you get > a chance to see her, you should give her a try. She > says she wont try to sing the 'American Songbook" ( > i.e. Gershwin, Kern, Porter et al) as she 'has' to > sing the "European Songbook" ( partly due to not > been told about the Nazi period in Germany when she > was growing up) . Lots of Brel, Brecht and Weil etc. > Lemper is also a really interesting painter....for > my money , better than....no I'm not going to say > it....you can guess though > > Cheerio the noo > > Gordon x > > PS Waddayamean you've never herard of her. > ___________________________________________________________________________ Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:40:07 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: NJC "NU-cle-ar" or "NU-cu-lar" ;-) YES, Jean--I think I've noticed that myself. Hmmmm--wonder if he also says "liberry" instead of library? Then again, those relatively harmless mispronunciations--while quite revealing--aren't nearly as disturbing as the dreaded "n" word (that would be "NU-cu-ler," of course). In fact, just recently a friend and I were discussing Dubya's wacky problem with "nuclear." I stated that if I picked out the dumbest, most clueless person I could think of and sat them down one-on-one for, oh, maybe 10/15 minutes max, surely to God I could teach them to say the word correctly. I mean, if they can pronounce the words "new" and "clear" they'd basically have it. After all, it's NOT as if it's a "big" word. It's simply a matter of stupidity and/or downright laziness and indifference. And if I were a President, for goodness sakes, who was constantly using such an important word in speeches--to millions of people worldwide, I might add--and notoriously being ridiculed for mispronouncing it, I think I'd want to make damned certain I was saying it right. So, perhaps it's all a matter of arrogance--however ignorant--and he just isn't concerned (or more likely, doesn't care) about correcting himself. But whatever the reason, I'm sure I just don't get it. I DO know, however, that every time I hear him utter "NU-cu-ler" I practically shudder in horror at the irony of it all! XXXOOO, Billy NP: "Faster Pussycat--to the Library!" (1996) by Sam Phillips ============================ Jean (dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com) wrote: >>> Dubya also says "secetary" for secretary. <<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:49:41 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: NJC "NU-cle-ar" or "NU-cu-lar" ;-) Bree--I have a feeling you're gonna have a looooooong, long wait. :-D XXXOOO, Billy ======================================= Bree wrote: >>> Dear Jean.. Yes...I am (a Republican). I don't know if that if that is a surprise to you or not (but) I'm here for you when you come around. <<< Until then ... Bree ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #175 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------