From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #168 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 25 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 168 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #125 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: TX hooters njc [Jerry Notaro ] Tribute [Jerry Notaro ] Fw: JMDL Digest V2007 #166 ["AJ" ] Re: Most underrated/overrated album [Michael Flaherty ] World Tribute [Mark-Leon Thorne ] SV: World Tribute ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: World Tribute [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] The emperor queen, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: World Tribute [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: SV: World Tribute [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Most underrated/overrated album [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: World Tribute [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: SV: World Tribute [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: RS 40 Songs that Changed The World [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Alanis "Humps" Video NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: TX hooters njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: TX hooters njc ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: elephant's sinking hooters njc [jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:45:47 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #125 In a message dated 04/25/2007 3:02:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: http://www.rollingstoneextras.com/patron40songs/ I appreciate reading so many good things about DJRD. It's one of my favorite Joni collections and it is by far the best of her work to run to - especially the title song. If I had to give a person one Joni song - that would be the one. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:48:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: TX hooters njc Speaking of war stories, Bree, not a word from you about the hearings going on in Washington about how our military lied and covered up the Jessica Lynch and Tilman truth. Jerry > Mia...yes ..but the emperor was an aggressor ..he did stay in "power" but > had been emasculated by the bombings. Sort of like the queen of England > of today....looks good..but with not much power or persuasion. > Imperialistic Japan was a brutal one..and that is putting it mildly...one > only has to read about the death march at Bataan. Also..during this > time there were several failed coup attempts that Truman had to weigh when > deciding about dropping the bombs. I think Truman did the necessary > thing. By the way... we should not overlook that today Japan and the > west are good friends. > > I just hope the history books don't revise too much. > > Bree > > PS. My father was a WW2 veteran....and military buff..so I was regaled > with many war stories during my growing up years. > > >> Bree - Dropping the bombs were altogether unnecessary. The Japanese were >> already willing to surrender - conditionally if they could keep their >> emperor. Truman said no way. Others in the state dept understood the >> Japanese culture - that death was preferable to not having an emperor - and >> tried to explain all this to deaf ears. After the bombs were dropped, the >> U.S. accepted the Japanese surrender conditionally anyhow. Japan got to >> keep their emperor. So in the end, nothing changed, except A-Bombs dropped >> on women and babies - 200,000 add'l lives destroyed for no good reason. >> >> I certainly wouldn't call Truman a courageous being - at least not on the >> matter of dropping what you proudly boast of as The Big One. >> >> Mia >> >> >> >> >> >> <> >> >> Bree wrote: <> ;-) He dropped the big one on Japan. Bringing WWII quickly to a >> close..and thus saving thousands of American lives. Yes..thousands died >> but thousands more were saved in the long run.>> >> >> This statement disturbs me deeply. >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win today. >> http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate > new payment > http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:56:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Tribute A Tribute to Joni Mitchell is the featured cd of the day on our very fabulous WMNF in Tampa. Jerry NPW - My new Apple Powerbook! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:24:43 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Fw: JMDL Digest V2007 #166 [top-posting because my question has nothing to do with the topic] Bruce Eggleston, You wouldn't happen to have a relative who (originally) hails from the MS Delta, would you? - --AJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Eggleston" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #166 > At the time that courageous Truman dropped the largest mass murder > devices on Japan, the Japanese ambassadors were trying to sue for > peace through side-channel diplomacy in Moscow and other avenues. Our > culture didn't understand their version of peace making, with a > component of face-saving and meeting of the minds. It can be argued > that the war might have ended without this final slaughter of 300,00 > to 600,000 people if these diplomatic channels had been allowed to > open up and follow their course. This is also fact. > > Please do your homework before confusing the party line with facts. > > Japan was already defeated for all strategic and tactical aspects > concerning the ability to wage further war. They were reduced to > defending their homeland, there were no other significant > battlefronts in the Pacific theater. They were defeated, but had no > culturally acceptable way to surrender. > > No one knew the potential for destruction when we unleashed the > atomic bomb. There was a serious side-bet at Los Alamos that the > chain-reaction of the first atomic bomb would either a) stop as > planned, or b) just keep going until a considerable amount of the > planet was involved in the chain reaction, e.g. the Western United > States, or North America. They didn't know for certain. They didn't > know what would would happen when the two bombs were exploded over > Heroshima or Nagasaki. They didn't know. Is this courage or insanity? > Is this bad science or good war. > > This was not America's most courageous moment. > > Please don't attempt to re-write history. Read and learn from history. > > Peace really is the answer, you only have to ask the right question. > > That might be, "How can our species survive?" > > Facts and truths indeed! > > Bonneville Bruce > Praying to all the gods on the Sunnyslope, Idaho. > > On Apr 24, 2007, at 1:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:25:02 -0400 >> From: "Bree Mcdonough" >> Subject: RE: TX hooters njc >> >> Mia...it might be disturbing....but it is history. Facts and >> truths ... >> >> >>> Bree wrote: <>> Truman"? ;-) >>> He dropped the big one on Japan. Bringing WWII quickly to a >>> close..and thus saving thousands of American lives. >>> Yes..thousands died >>> but thousands more were saved in the long run.>> >>> >>> This statement disturbs me deeply. >>> >>> Mia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album A further thought on C&S: I don't think it's over-rated in that it's not as good as people say it is; I think it's over-rated in that it's often considered one of Joni's two best albums, which I just can't see. From the stand point of simply the amount of praise they have received, I don't think any of Joni's albums are over-rated. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:46:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come All the talk of DJRD made me want to hear it again, so I grabbed it for the morning commute. I just have to add to what's been praised: Wayne's solo on PP: incredible. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:07:15 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: World Tribute Hello Joni friends. While watching the clip of Roxana Amed and Pedro Aznar's wonderful performance of Amelia, it reminded me of the fantastic TNT tribute special. It occurred to me that, although there have been tributes to Joni all around the world in one form or another, I would love to see the world tied in together to share their appreciation of Joni's music. She is truly a global artist as evidenced by the diverse members of this list. I would love to see something like the TNT special but, global. Something like the concert for Africa in the 80s. One TV network in each country would carry the show and contribute performances, interspersed with commentaries on Joni's tour of that country and the influence she has been on local artists. Of course, I don't have the power to make this happen but, I'm interested to know, which artists would people like to see perform which Joni song from your country for this hypothetical show. Americans will find this hard to choose, given how many performances of Joni's songs there have been there. Just choose one artist and the song. I would certainly love to see Roxana Amed and Pedro Aznar reproduce their magic performance of Amelia for Spain. So, who would you guys like to see from your country perform a Joni song for this world wide show and which song? You might even suggest something for the commentary. I guess I'll get the ball rolling. I guess the commentary would have to revolve around Joni's 1984 tour of Australia and her show at the Sydney Opera House. There would have to be something about the influence of Joni's music on Australian artists like, Missy Higgins, Peggy Van Zalm and others. I guess any of the performances I listed in my fantasy Australian tribute album would be good. To pick one, I'd say, Katie Noonan performing Both Sides, Now. Mark in Sydney NP Big Wheels In Shanty Town - Rain Tree Crow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:23:21 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: World Tribute Hey, there's an idea, Mark! (Though some people might find it a bit much...) Anyhow, from Sweden I'd like to see Marie Fredriksson (Roxette, you know, but she is actually a better solo artist!) perform Come in from the cold. And the commentary would include Joni's acceptance of the Polar prize in Stockholm (some years ago, can't remember the exact year right now). I just hope and pray that nobody would come up with the (bad) idea of mentioning ABBA... Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Mark-Leon Thorne Skickat: den 25 april 2007 16:07 Till: JMDL Dmne: World Tribute Hello Joni friends. So, who would you guys like to see from your country perform a Joni song for this world wide show and which song? You might even suggest something for the commentary. I guess I'll get the ball rolling. I guess the commentary would have to revolve around Joni's 1984 tour of Australia and her show at the Sydney Opera House. There would have to be something about the influence of Joni's music on Australian artists like, Missy Higgins, Peggy Van Zalm and others. I guess any of the performances I listed in my fantasy Australian tribute album would be good. To pick one, I'd say, Katie Noonan performing Both Sides, Now. Mark in Sydney NP Big Wheels In Shanty Town - Rain Tree Crow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:24:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: World Tribute But I'm sure they would much prefer to represent their own country of Argentina. :o) I obviously love the idea you've submitted, hopefully everyone will chime in. Bob NP: Ani Difranco, "Little Plastic Castle" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Love, Laura ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:29:08 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: World Tribute Oops! My bad. I thought they were from Spain all this time. So no ideas from you, Bob? You have plenty to choose from in your country. Mark On 26/04/2007, at 12:24 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > their magic performance of Amelia for Spain.> > > But I'm sure they would much prefer to represent their own country of > Argentina. :o) > > I obviously love the idea you've submitted, hopefully everyone will > chime in. > > Bob > > NP: Ani Difranco, "Little Plastic Castle" > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message > are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect > the views of the company. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:34:09 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: SV: World Tribute Sounds great, Marion. I always thought Marie Fredriksson had a great voice. Nice choice of song for her too. Joni's acceptance of the Polar Award is something I have heard about so much but never seen. That would be great. We'll keep ABBA out of this one. Sweden has a lot more to offer. Mark. On 26/04/2007, at 12:23 AM, Marion Leffler wrote: > Hey, there's an idea, Mark! (Though some people might find it a bit > much...) > Anyhow, from Sweden I'd like to see Marie Fredriksson (Roxette, you > know, > but she is actually a better solo artist!) perform Come in from the > cold. > And the commentary would include Joni's acceptance of the Polar prize > in > Stockholm (some years ago, can't remember the exact year right now). I > just > hope and pray that nobody would come up with the (bad) idea of > mentioning > ABBA... > Marion > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr > Mark-Leon > Thorne > Skickat: den 25 april 2007 16:07 > Till: JMDL > Dmne: World Tribute > > Hello Joni friends. > > > So, who would you guys like to see from your country perform a Joni > song for this world wide show and which song? You might even suggest > something for the commentary. > > I guess I'll get the ball rolling. I guess the commentary would have to > revolve around Joni's 1984 tour of Australia and her show at the Sydney > Opera House. There would have to be something about the influence of > Joni's music on Australian artists like, Missy Higgins, Peggy Van Zalm > and others. I guess any of the performances I listed in my fantasy > Australian tribute album would be good. To pick one, I'd say, Katie > Noonan performing Both Sides, Now. > > Mark in Sydney > > NP Big Wheels In Shanty Town - Rain Tree Crow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:44:18 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album Gotta agree with Stephen (and a few others) on this one: 'Hejira' (...or possibly 'Turbulent Indigo,' since it won a Grammy for "album of the year") is Joni's most OVERrated disc (of course, 'Hejira' DID receive its fair share of mostly negative and/or indifferent reviews when first released), while 'Miles of Aisles' (...if we're including "live" albums) is her most UNDERrated. XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'Dangerous Game' (2007) by Mary Weiss. Brand new--and highly acclaimed--solo debut from the former lead singer of The Shangri-Las (some 40+ years after the fact!). Cool stuff... ;-) ============================= "Stephen Toogood" amelio747@hotmail.com wrote: Overrated - Hejira. Ste ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:45:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: World Tribute Are you kidding? I would have approximately one jillion ideas. I thought I'd wait a bit first and see what other folks come up with. And by the same token, many of the Covers Volumes that I've assembled play like mini World Tributes - and you can certainly be proud of your fellow Australians, over the years they have submitted many contributions into the pool. Bob NP: Nellie McKay, "Long & Lazy River" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:34:12 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: RS 40 Songs that Changed The World Here you go, Monika: http://www.rollingstoneextras.com/patron40songs/ - --Bob - ---------------------------- Thanks! - -mon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:46:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Alanis "Humps" Video NJC - --- Happy The Man wrote: > Sorry I had to share I laughed my arse off. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91sqAs-_-g > > make sure you understand the context from Fergie and > the Black Eyed Peas.. > > And Joni didn't care for Alanis and her screaming > chick music. My daughter told me about another one. There is a Canadian singer who calls herself "Peaches" who has done a parody of Alanis' parody that she calls "My dumps." I warn you, it's not for the faint-hearted. You may think it's really funny or you may think it's really gross, or possibly both. (I didn't watch the whole thing, because I think the point was made early on and that was more than enough for me. Take your hint from her change of one letter in the title.) Here's a link, but... you've been warned! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFXzJbMsows Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:55:35 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: TX hooters njc Jerry....clearly wrong..but why are the democrats having these hearings? It wouldn't be for political reasons..would it? Pat Tillman's story is great one anyway...giving up a lucrative career...giving so unselfishly...can't get more heroic than that..for what he believed was for the greater good. I wonder if Jessica Lynch will give back the money she made on her book for perpetuating such a lie? Bree >Speaking of war stories, Bree, not a word from you about the hearings going >on in Washington about how our military lied and covered up the Jessica >Lynch and Tilman truth. > >Jerry > > > > Mia...yes ..but the emperor was an aggressor ..he did stay in "power" >but > > had been emasculated by the bombings. Sort of like the queen of >England > > of today....looks good..but with not much power or persuasion. > > Imperialistic Japan was a brutal one..and that is putting it >mildly...one > > only has to read about the death march at Bataan. Also..during >this > > time there were several failed coup attempts that Truman had to weigh >when > > deciding about dropping the bombs. I think Truman did the >necessary > > thing. By the way... we should not overlook that today Japan and the > > west are good friends. > > > > I just hope the history books don't revise too much. > > > > Bree > > > > PS. My father was a WW2 veteran....and military buff..so I was regaled > > with many war stories during my growing up years. > > > > > >> Bree - Dropping the bombs were altogether unnecessary. The Japanese >were > >> already willing to surrender - conditionally if they could keep their > >> emperor. Truman said no way. Others in the state dept understood the > >> Japanese culture - that death was preferable to not having an emperor - >and > >> tried to explain all this to deaf ears. After the bombs were dropped, >the > >> U.S. accepted the Japanese surrender conditionally anyhow. Japan got >to > >> keep their emperor. So in the end, nothing changed, except A-Bombs >dropped > >> on women and babies - 200,000 add'l lives destroyed for no good reason. > >> > >> I certainly wouldn't call Truman a courageous being - at least not on >the > >> matter of dropping what you proudly boast of as The Big One. > >> > >> Mia > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> <... > >> > >> > >> Bree wrote: < >> ;-) He dropped the big one on Japan. Bringing WWII quickly to a > >> close..and thus saving thousands of American lives. Yes..thousands >died > >> but thousands more were saved in the long run.>> > >> > >> This statement disturbs me deeply. >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win >today. > >> http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - >Calculate > > new payment > > >http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:23:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: TX hooters njc Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Jerry....clearly wrong..but why are the democrats having these hearings? How will we know when the war has been won unless the military tells us the truth? Oh wait, they already declared victory...... four years ago I wonder if Jessica Lynch will give back the money > she made on her book for perpetuating such a lie? That's right. Attack Jessica, not the Pentagon. While the military was still lying about the incident, throughout which, by the way, Jessica was unconscious, she said FOUR YEARS AGO: Published on Friday, November 7, 2003 by the New York Times Jessica Lynch Criticizes U.S. Accounts of Her Ordeal by David D Kirkpatrick In her first public statements since her rescue in Iraq, Jessica Lynch criticized the military for exaggerating accounts of her rescue and re-casting her ordeal as a patriotic fable. In the book and in the interviews, Ms. Lynch says others' accounts of her heroism often left her feeling hurt and ashamed because of what she says was overstatement. Asked by the ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer if the military's portrayal of the rescue bothered her, Ms. Lynch said: "Yeah, it does. It does that they used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff. Yeah, it's wrong," according to a partial transcript of the interview to be broadcast on Tuesday. After months of retreating from the news media, Ms. Lynch will be a ubiquitous presence next week. In addition to her appearance on ABC, she will be on the cover of Time magazine, and NBC will broadcast a movie based on an Iraqi's account of her ordeal. On Tuesday, the book publisher Knopf will release an account of her experience, "I Am a Soldier, Too," written with her cooperation by a former reporter for The New York Times, Rick Bragg. The book and the movie are unrelated and tell different versions of Ms. Lynch's story, but the publisher has timed the book to capitalize on publicity from the television movie. The book has already added another, lurid indignity to the public accounts of her capture. It reports that Ms. Lynch's military doctors found injuries consistent with sexual assault and unlikely to have resulted from the Humvee crash that caused her other wounds, suggesting that she was raped after her capture. Ms. Lynch, who was unconscious immediately after the crash, does not remember any such assault, according to people who have talked to her and read the book. Those details of the book's contents were reported yesterday in The New York Daily News. In the book and in the interviews, Ms. Lynch says others' accounts of her heroism often left her feeling hurt and ashamed because of what she says was overstatement. At first, a military spokesman in Iraq told journalists that American soldiers had exchanged fire with Iraqis during the rescue, without adding that resistance was minimal. Then the military released a dramatic, green-tinted, night-vision video of the mission. Soon news organizations were repeating reports, attributed to anonymous American officials, that Ms. Lynch had heroically resisted her capture, emptying her weapon at her attackers. But subsequent investigations determined that Ms. Lynch was injured by the crash of her vehicle, her weapon jammed before she could fire, the Iraqi doctors treated her kindly, and the hospital was already in friendly hands when her rescuers arrived. Asked how she felt about the reports of her heroism, Ms. Lynch told Ms. Sawyer, "It hurt in a way that people would make up stories that they had no truth about. Only I would have been able to know that, because the other four people on my vehicle aren't here to tell the story. So I would have been the only one able to say, yeah, I went down shooting. But I didn't." And asked about reports that the military exaggerated the danger of the rescue mission, Ms. Lynch said, "Yeah, I don't think it happened quite like that," although she added that in that context anybody would have approached the hospital well-armed. She continued: "I don't know why they filmed it, or why they say the things they, you know, all I know was that I was in that hospital hurting. I needed help." Lt. Col. Rivers Johnson, a spokesman for the Department of Defense, declined to comment on Ms. Lynch's views. But he said, "Essentially, the mission to rescue Jessica Lynch demonstrated America's resolve to account for all of its missing service members." He added that the rescue had been conducted under the appropriate procedures for a fluid situation like the war in Iraq. "You always plan for the worst." Ms. Lynch also disputed statements by Mohammed Odeh al-Rehaief, the Iraqi lawyer, that he saw her captors slap her. "From the time I woke up in that hospital, no one beat me, no one slapped me, no one, nothing," Ms. Lynch told Diane Sawyer, adding, "I'm so thankful for those people, because that's why I'm alive today." Jeff Coplon, who helped Mr. Rehaief write his book, "Because Each Life is Precious," said it was possible that both he and Ms. Lynch were telling the truth in their divergent accounts. "One of the questions that could arise in the wake of this kind of trauma is that someone could believe they remember everything and their memory could still be incomplete," Mr. Coplon said. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:06:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: elephant's sinking hooters njc Obviously , present day pompous politician's and this administration's sick war ceremonies are finally sinking. You can feel it in the air All the elepants hate all the elephants It's stifling in here Yo, ho, ho and a bottle of rum Hoist the mainsails Here we come Ain't no room on board for the insincere. You're my witness And I'm your mutineer ~Warren Zevon~ Jean - --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > Jerry....clearly wrong..but why are the democrats > having these hearings? > > How will we know when the war has been won unless > the military tells us > the truth? Oh wait, they already declared > victory...... four years ago > > I wonder if Jessica Lynch will give back the money > > she made on her book for perpetuating such a lie? > > That's right. Attack Jessica, not the Pentagon. > While the military was > still lying about the incident, throughout which, by > the way, Jessica was > unconscious, she said FOUR YEARS AGO: > > Published on Friday, November 7, 2003 by the New > York Times > Jessica Lynch Criticizes U.S. Accounts of Her Ordeal > by David D Kirkpatrick > > In her first public statements since her rescue in > Iraq, Jessica Lynch > criticized the military for exaggerating accounts of > her rescue and > re-casting her ordeal as a patriotic fable. > > > > In the book and in the interviews, Ms. Lynch says > others' accounts of her > heroism often left her feeling hurt and ashamed > because of what she says > was overstatement. > > > Asked by the ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer if the > military's portrayal of > the rescue bothered her, Ms. Lynch said: "Yeah, it > does. It does that they > used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff. Yeah, > it's wrong," according > to a partial transcript of the interview to be > broadcast on Tuesday. > > After months of retreating from the news media, Ms. > Lynch will be a > ubiquitous presence next week. In addition to her > appearance on ABC, she > will be on the cover of Time magazine, and NBC will > broadcast a movie > based on an Iraqi's account of her ordeal. On > Tuesday, the book publisher > Knopf will release an account of her experience, "I > Am a Soldier, Too," > written with her cooperation by a former reporter > for The New York Times, > Rick Bragg. > > The book and the movie are unrelated and tell > different versions of Ms. > Lynch's story, but the publisher has timed the book > to capitalize on > publicity from the television movie. > > The book has already added another, lurid indignity > to the public accounts > of her capture. It reports that Ms. Lynch's military > doctors found > injuries consistent with sexual assault and unlikely > to have resulted from > the Humvee crash that caused her other wounds, > suggesting that she was > raped after her capture. Ms. Lynch, who was > unconscious immediately after > the crash, does not remember any such assault, > according to people who > have talked to her and read the book. Those details > of the book's contents > were reported yesterday in The New York Daily News. > > In the book and in the interviews, Ms. Lynch says > others' accounts of her > heroism often left her feeling hurt and ashamed > because of what she says > was overstatement. > > At first, a military spokesman in Iraq told > journalists that American > soldiers had exchanged fire with Iraqis during the > rescue, without adding > that resistance was minimal. Then the military > released a dramatic, > green-tinted, night-vision video of the mission. > Soon news organizations > were repeating reports, attributed to anonymous > American officials, that > Ms. Lynch had heroically resisted her capture, > emptying her weapon at her > attackers. > > But subsequent investigations determined that Ms. > Lynch was injured by the > crash of her vehicle, her weapon jammed before she > could fire, the Iraqi > doctors treated her kindly, and the hospital was > already in friendly hands > when her rescuers arrived. > > Asked how she felt about the reports of her heroism, > Ms. Lynch told Ms. > Sawyer, "It hurt in a way that people would make up > stories that they had > no truth about. Only I would have been able to know > that, because the > other four people on my vehicle aren't here to tell > the story. So I would > have been the only one able to say, yeah, I went > down shooting. But I > didn't." > > And asked about reports that the military > exaggerated the danger of the > rescue mission, Ms. Lynch said, "Yeah, I don't think > it happened quite > like that," although she added that in that context > anybody would have > approached the hospital well-armed. She continued: > "I don't know why they > filmed it, or why they say the things they, you > know, all I know was that > I was in that hospital hurting. I needed help." > > Lt. Col. Rivers Johnson, a spokesman for the > Department of Defense, > declined to comment on Ms. Lynch's views. But he > said, "Essentially, the > mission to rescue Jessica Lynch demonstrated > America's resolve to account > for all of its missing service members." He added > that the rescue had been > conducted under the appropriate procedures for a > fluid situation like the > war in Iraq. "You always plan for the worst." > > Ms. Lynch also disputed statements by Mohammed Odeh > al-Rehaief, the Iraqi > lawyer, that he saw her captors slap her. > > "From the time I woke up in that hospital, no one > beat me, no one slapped > me, no one, nothing," Ms. Lynch told Diane Sawyer, > adding, "I'm so > thankful for those people, because that's why I'm > alive today." > > Jeff Coplon, who helped Mr. Rehaief write his book, > "Because Each Life is > Precious," said it was possible that both he and Ms. > Lynch were telling > the truth in their divergent accounts. > > "One of the questions that could arise in the wake > of this kind of trauma > is that someone could believe they remember > everything and their memory > could still be incomplete," Mr. Coplon said. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: war mongers sinking hooters njc Yeah, do attack Jessica...the new Benedict Arnold just because she speaks not with forked tongue any longer. The war mongering powers that be are loosing big time grip of millions of tough ass balls, along with that of reality. - --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > I wonder if Jessica Lynch will give back the money > > she made on her book for perpetuating such a lie? > > That's right. Attack Jessica, not the Pentagon. > While the military was > still lying about the incident, throughout which, by > the way, Jessica was > unconscious, she said FOUR YEARS AGO: > > Published on Friday, November 7, 2003 by the New > York Times > Jessica Lynch Criticizes U.S. Accounts of Her Ordeal > by David D Kirkpatrick > > In her first public statements since her rescue in > Iraq, Jessica Lynch > criticized the military for exaggerating accounts of > her rescue and > re-casting her ordeal as a patriotic fable. > > > > In the book and in the interviews, Ms. Lynch says > others' accounts of her > heroism often left her feeling hurt and ashamed > because of what she says > was overstatement. > > > Asked by the ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer if the > military's portrayal of > the rescue bothered her, Ms. Lynch said: "Yeah, it > does. It does that they > used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff. Yeah, > it's wrong," according > to a partial transcript of the interview to be > broadcast on Tuesday. > > After months of retreating from the news media, Ms. > Lynch will be a > ubiquitous presence next week. In addition to her > appearance on ABC, she > will be on the cover of Time magazine, and NBC will > broadcast a movie > based on an Iraqi's account of her ordeal. On > Tuesday, the book publisher > Knopf will release an account of her experience, "I > Am a Soldier, Too," > written with her cooperation by a former reporter > for The New York Times, > Rick Bragg. > > The book and the movie are unrelated and tell > different versions of Ms. > Lynch's story, but the publisher has timed the book > to capitalize on > publicity from the television movie. > > The book has already added another, lurid indignity > to the public accounts > of her capture. It reports that Ms. Lynch's military > doctors found > injuries consistent with sexual assault and unlikely > to have resulted from > the Humvee crash that caused her other wounds, > suggesting that she was > raped after her capture. Ms. Lynch, who was > unconscious immediately after > the crash, does not remember any such assault, > according to people who > have talked to her and read the book. Those details > of the book's contents > were reported yesterday in The New York Daily News. > > In the book and in the interviews, Ms. Lynch says > others' accounts of her > heroism often left her feeling hurt and ashamed > because of what she says > was overstatement. > > At first, a military spokesman in Iraq told > journalists that American > soldiers had exchanged fire with Iraqis during the > rescue, without adding > that resistance was minimal. Then the military > released a dramatic, > green-tinted, night-vision video of the mission. > Soon news organizations > were repeating reports, attributed to anonymous > American officials, that > Ms. Lynch had heroically resisted her capture, > emptying her weapon at her > attackers. > > But subsequent investigations determined that Ms. > Lynch was injured by the > crash of her vehicle, her weapon jammed before she > could fire, the Iraqi > doctors treated her kindly, and the hospital was > already in friendly hands > when her rescuers arrived. > > Asked how she felt about the reports of her heroism, > Ms. Lynch told Ms. > Sawyer, "It hurt in a way that people would make up > stories that they had > no truth about. Only I would have been able to know > that, because the > other four people on my vehicle aren't here to tell > the story. So I would > have been the only one able to say, yeah, I went > down shooting. But I > didn't." > > And asked about reports that the military > exaggerated the danger of the > rescue mission, Ms. Lynch said, "Yeah, I don't think > it happened quite > like that," although she added that in that context > anybody would have > approached the hospital well-armed. She continued: > "I don't know why they > filmed it, or why they say the things they, you > know, all I know was that > I was in that hospital hurting. I needed help." > > Lt. Col. Rivers Johnson, a spokesman for the > Department of Defense, > declined to comment on Ms. Lynch's views. But he > said, "Essentially, the > mission to rescue Jessica Lynch demonstrated > America's resolve to account > for all of its missing service members." He added > that the rescue had been > conducted under the appropriate procedures for a > fluid situation like the > war in Iraq. "You always plan for the worst." > > Ms. Lynch also disputed statements by Mohammed Odeh > al-Rehaief, the Iraqi > lawyer, that he saw her captors slap her. > > "From the time I woke up in that hospital, no one > beat me, no one slapped > me, no one, nothing," Ms. Lynch told Diane Sawyer, > adding, "I'm so > thankful for those people, because that's why I'm > alive today." > > Jeff Coplon, who helped Mr. Rehaief write his book, > "Because Each Life is > Precious," said it was possible that both he and Ms. > Lynch were telling > the truth in their divergent accounts. > > "One of the questions that could arise in the wake > of this kind of trauma > is that someone could believe they remember > everything and their memory > could still be incomplete," Mr. Coplon said. > Dreaming Dreamland, Jeannie jjj . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:48:08 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: TX hooters njc I'm not really attacking her...but she did write a book. And you sort of made my point...this stuff has been out there for a long time. Over the last couple of years I have gotten forwards and links about Pat Tillman NOT dying from enemy fire but friendly. In the scheme of things ...I just don't think it is a major story. But.. yes....the military was wrong in spreading mistruths. ..and lies. I'm sure this is nothing new....but it should be stopped. There are many hero stories to go around. >Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > Jerry....clearly wrong..but why are the democrats having these hearings? > >How will we know when the war has been won unless the military tells us >the truth? Oh wait, they already declared victory...... four years ago > > I wonder if Jessica Lynch will give back the money > > she made on her book for perpetuating such a lie? > >That's right. Attack Jessica, not the Pentagon. While the military was >still lying about the incident, throughout which, by the way, Jessica was >unconscious, she said FOUR YEARS AGO: > >Published on Friday, November 7, 2003 by the New York Times >Jessica Lynch Criticizes U.S. Accounts of Her Ordeal >by David D Kirkpatrick > >In her first public statements since her rescue in Iraq, Jessica Lynch >criticized the military for exaggerating accounts of her rescue and >re-casting her ordeal as a patriotic fable. > > > >In the book and in the interviews, Ms. Lynch says others' accounts of her >heroism often left her feeling hurt and ashamed because of what she says >was overstatement. > > >Asked by the ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer if the military's portrayal of >the rescue bothered her, Ms. Lynch said: "Yeah, it does. It does that they >used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff. Yeah, it's wrong," according >to a partial transcript of the interview to be broadcast on Tuesday. > >After months of retreating from the news media, Ms. Lynch will be a >ubiquitous presence next week. In addition to her appearance on ABC, she >will be on the cover of Time magazine, and NBC will broadcast a movie >based on an Iraqi's account of her ordeal. On Tuesday, the book publisher >Knopf will release an account of her experience, "I Am a Soldier, Too," >written with her cooperation by a former reporter for The New York Times, >Rick Bragg. > >The book and the movie are unrelated and tell different versions of Ms. >Lynch's story, but the publisher has timed the book to capitalize on >publicity from the television movie. > >The book has already added another, lurid indignity to the public accounts >of her capture. It reports that Ms. Lynch's military doctors found >injuries consistent with sexual assault and unlikely to have resulted from >the Humvee crash that caused her other wounds, suggesting that she was >raped after her capture. Ms. Lynch, who was unconscious immediately after >the crash, does not remember any such assault, according to people who >have talked to her and read the book. Those details of the book's contents >were reported yesterday in The New York Daily News. > >In the book and in the interviews, Ms. Lynch says others' accounts of her >heroism often left her feeling hurt and ashamed because of what she says >was overstatement. > >At first, a military spokesman in Iraq told journalists that American >soldiers had exchanged fire with Iraqis during the rescue, without adding >that resistance was minimal. Then the military released a dramatic, >green-tinted, night-vision video of the mission. Soon news organizations >were repeating reports, attributed to anonymous American officials, that >Ms. Lynch had heroically resisted her capture, emptying her weapon at her >attackers. > >But subsequent investigations determined that Ms. Lynch was injured by the >crash of her vehicle, her weapon jammed before she could fire, the Iraqi >doctors treated her kindly, and the hospital was already in friendly hands >when her rescuers arrived. > >Asked how she felt about the reports of her heroism, Ms. Lynch told Ms. >Sawyer, "It hurt in a way that people would make up stories that they had >no truth about. Only I would have been able to know that, because the >other four people on my vehicle aren't here to tell the story. So I would >have been the only one able to say, yeah, I went down shooting. But I >didn't." > >And asked about reports that the military exaggerated the danger of the >rescue mission, Ms. Lynch said, "Yeah, I don't think it happened quite >like that," although she added that in that context anybody would have >approached the hospital well-armed. She continued: "I don't know why they >filmed it, or why they say the things they, you know, all I know was that >I was in that hospital hurting. I needed help." > >Lt. Col. Rivers Johnson, a spokesman for the Department of Defense, >declined to comment on Ms. Lynch's views. But he said, "Essentially, the >mission to rescue Jessica Lynch demonstrated America's resolve to account >for all of its missing service members." He added that the rescue had been >conducted under the appropriate procedures for a fluid situation like the >war in Iraq. "You always plan for the worst." > >Ms. Lynch also disputed statements by Mohammed Odeh al-Rehaief, the Iraqi >lawyer, that he saw her captors slap her. > >"From the time I woke up in that hospital, no one beat me, no one slapped >me, no one, nothing," Ms. Lynch told Diane Sawyer, adding, "I'm so >thankful for those people, because that's why I'm alive today." > >Jeff Coplon, who helped Mr. Rehaief write his book, "Because Each Life is >Precious," said it was possible that both he and Ms. Lynch were telling >the truth in their divergent accounts. > >"One of the questions that could arise in the wake of this kind of trauma >is that someone could believe they remember everything and their memory >could still be incomplete," Mr. Coplon said. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. 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