From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #166 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 24 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 166 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni is heading...now Tribute ["Bill Pearson" ] Most underrated/overrated album ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: TX hooters njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: TX hooters njc [Jerry Notaro ] Over/Under rated, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] send lawyers guns and money NJC [mags h ] RE: TX hooters njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] an apology NJC [mags h ] Re: TX hooters njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Most underrated/overrated album [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Most underrated/overrated album NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Most underrated/overrated album NJC [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Most underrated/overrated album NJC/now rating art and the Dilbert guy, lol [Em ] Re: Most underrated/overrated album NJC/now rating art and the Dilbert guy, lol [Bob Muller ] Dilbert the Dork NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Most underrated/overrated album ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Most underrated/overrated album [Em ] RE: Most underrated/overrated album ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: TX hooters njc ["mia _" ] Re:"Turned off" tunes [PassScribe@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:31:27 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: RE: Joni is heading...now Tribute Adding...and is now shipping and thankfully the price has gone down to #9.99 ;-) > And then there's a last line (most likely not > Christiansen's either) that says the tribute CD will > be released next Monday. > But it IS released next Monday (23rd)! In the UK it is, or should be. Best, Bill No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.9/773 - Release Date: 22/04/2007 20:18 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:42:02 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Most underrated/overrated album nothing joni wrote is over rated _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:32:44 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: what is true man?, njc Bree wrote: > Think about it..the United states is in the midst of war...sending > reinforcements as I write this...American soldiers lives on the line...and > Harry says.."the war is lost." Boy..with Harry on our side..do we really > need enemies.?! Sometimes I feel that certain Democrats don't want the > U.S. to win because IF the U.S. wins...that would mean George was > right.....George wins. Do you think I am off base with this? > > Hi Bree, Yes, if you are talking about Iraq. "War, winning..." Attempt at conflict resolution might be a better choice of words. Resolution isn't happening and probably won't in our lifetime. Quick fixes don't work where the conflicts span generations and the mentality is you kill my brother I kill your clan. Force is spurring more resistance and deeper conflict. Violence begets violence. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:50:07 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: moon, njc Hi Ya'll, I was just reading some posts written right after the jonifest because I'm way behind on digests. I have this image in my mind of the lunar module moving away from the moon back toward the earth. I haven't landed yet... and I don't want to. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: mp3 players (njc) along those lines, I'm using my iPod as my sole input right now to my stereo. No CD player, no turntable at the moment - just half full 20 gig iPod into aux input of receiver. It really has changed things! Now I'm wanting another larger capacity iPod to leave at home in the role I described, and one to roam with. My only bitch is my post 40 eyesight dictates I must wear readers to see the menu. Em - --- Cassy wrote: > Welcome to the digital world of music Brian! You'll find your > listening > habits will change along with the technology. I hope you find 1GB is > enough > space for your listening pleasure I am currently at around 21 gigs > with less > than 1/4 of my music digitized to date. Of course, with flash memory > USB > capability you can change the contents on your player daily. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:25:02 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: TX hooters njc Mia...it might be disturbing....but it is history. Facts and truths ... >Bree wrote: < He dropped the big one on Japan. Bringing WWII quickly to a >close..and thus saving thousands of American lives. Yes..thousands died >but thousands more were saved in the long run.>> > >This statement disturbs me deeply. > >Mia > >_________________________________________________________________ >Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. >http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 > _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:16:05 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: TX hooters njc It is also a fact, borne out by Japanese History, that Japan would have surrendered with the dropping of the bomb in rural, unpopulated parts of Japan rather than in the middle of its most populated cities. Jerry > Mia...it might be disturbing....but it is history. Facts and truths ... > > >> Bree wrote: <> He dropped the big one on Japan. Bringing WWII quickly to a >> close..and thus saving thousands of American lives. Yes..thousands died >> but thousands more were saved in the long run.>> >> >> This statement disturbs me deeply. >> >> Mia >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. >> http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:20:03 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Over/Under rated, njc I love all 10 albums between Blue and Wild Things Run Fast. I think any of them ranks with a small handful of favorites from anyone else. Joni's middle 10 rank up there with Ram, Sgt Pepper, Abbey Road, Sweet Baby James, Desire, Born to Run, Darkness On the Edge Of Town, the live Springsteen box set, etc. All of these are in chapter 1 of "Lama's Big Book of Singer-Songwriters". I guess I'm saying that Joni has 10 spots in my Top 25 or so. (?) Jim L. npimh: "over/under/sideways/down" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: send lawyers guns and money NJC dunno why this subject title sprang into my head while catching up on about five digests. sometimes the personal is political and i'm sorry to drag my personal bones into a public space in telling brian that it was in bad form to post that birthday wish, having specifically, a deliberate attempt at pissing me off. in recent weeks, whilst i do not care to correspond with him, i wrote, pleaded, more than once, asked him not to do so. i know he's baiting me. i know that. and that's fine. whatever. bait caught. happy now? when it comes down to my daughter, i will stand my ground like a mama bear. dammit stop it. please. leave me alone. its over. Im trying to get on with my life...why the hell arent you? get it? stop. mags. - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:03:17 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: TX hooters njc >don't want the >U.S. to win because IF the U.S. wins...that would mean >George was >right.....George wins. Do you think I am off base with >this?> > > Bree - of course you are obviously way off base. Off base? dang, you're >not even in the ballpark, babe. There's simply no victory to be had there >militarily, and if you want to beat up on Harry (and he's not my favorite >guy either but I hope he sticks to his guns on the spending bill) then you >rightfully have to beat up on the generals and military leaders that are >saying the same thing - if you can keep up with who they are; everytime >they speak the truth of the situation they get ousted & replaced. Am I >imagining things, or has this "surge" produced only more chaos, more >killing, more destruction? I know, I know - we've turned a corner and >Baghdad is safe to walk around in (as long as you've got 100 soldiers and >two Blackhawks surrounding you). Just a few comments: Those generals were fired ..Bob... as you pointed out.. they didn't have the clout that a senate majority leader has. He speaks...everybody listens...kind of thing. I would hope politics go by the wayside when it comes to us fighting a war.. but I wonder with all the predictions of failure..the political investments that some democrats have made on that failure.. if it isn't something they secretly hope for. I did some reading about South Korea today...on line.. for anybody to read... and the DECADES it has taken for them to become a flourishing republic..with a western style government. I'm sure South Korea is very glad that people weren't as swift to throw in the towel ....like many have over Iraq. I don't know if sending more troops has helped..but as I understand ..we will know by the end of summer.. according to the general ..who is running the show now. I'm sure this general is hoping that people show a little patience....a little reserve ...in declarations like what Harry Reid ..."we lost".. said...when it's not even over. Bree > Bob > > NP: Bob Dylan, "Masters of War" (wow, amazing that my media player >picked this one to play) > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _________________________________________________________________ Dont quit your job  Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. Start Today! http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866144 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: an apology NJC sorry that i let my personal life/feelings take up space. needless to say, i've got to go back to the garden and take a hiatus from 'here'. thanks for the inspiration. as someone put it, maybe for good. mags. - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:56:34 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: TX hooters njc Of course Japan was losing badly by then. A blast off the coast would have caused them to throw in the towel just as quickly as ground-zeroing two major cities full of civilians. The Nagasaki attack, 3 days later, was particularly unnecessary. This is pretty well understood, historically. Truman's own panel later stated that Japan would have surrendered anyway, without the atomic blasts. The US backup plan, apparently, was to conduct massive chemical weapon attacks on Japanese cities, deliberately causing maximum civilian casualties, up to 5 million dead by their own estimates. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ROG20050824&articleId=856 RR From: "Bree Mcdonough" > Mia...it might be disturbing....but it is history. Facts and truths ... > > >>Bree wrote: <>He dropped the big one on Japan. Bringing WWII quickly to a close..and >>thus saving thousands of American lives. Yes..thousands died but >>thousands more were saved in the long run.>> >> >>This statement disturbs me deeply. >> >>Mia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:46:25 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album nothing joni wrote is over rated - --------------------------- Well perhaps asking what is overrated by Joni is not such a good question. In a way, none of Joni's work is really overrated. I think she's very underrated in every way and I'm sure many of you would agree. But I didn't mean for anyone to think that something is not of good quality because you label it as overrated. I figured I'd ask the easy underrated question...and throw in the tough question as well. If you've got one side, you might as well have the other. But like I said, perhaps the "overrated" question is not good for Joni's music as she's not so mainstream or whatever you want to refer to it as. Ah well, to each his own - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:58:58 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album NJC I read a really interesting post on Scott Adams (Dilbert) blog this AM that deals with the subjectivity of judging art: http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/04/judging_art.html I'd be interested in hearing what y'all think about what he says. Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Moby Dick" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:34:02 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album NJC Thanks for the link to that blog. It was definitely an interesting read. And it is funny how we all do think that our own opinions (concerning art and such as is being discussed) are right. I mean we witness that all the time. I always hear somebody saying "this sucks" or "that sucks" or "this is great" as if it's the final word on it. I mean, Jesus, I do it myself too. What is good and what is not? It's hard to say as there's no right answer. It's all perception and it's so fascinating how everyone differs in their own perspective. You can tell me that rap is a wonderful music form and I will disagree with you until the day I die (after that well...I shall be silent obviously). And as far as I go, when others don't like what I do, I just figure they don't "get" it. I don't think it's any less, so it's funny. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder afterall. So all this being said and read, there is either: A. No such thing as a critic B. Or we're all unreliable critics Who knows what's certain and what's not? There's no definitive in anything--literature, music, painting, etc. Something can be well written but that doesn't mean that you will like it. Nietzsche says, (a great thinker) "Art is essentially the affirmation, the blessing, and the deification of existence." Ralph Waldo Emerson says, (another great thinker) "In art, the hand can never execute anything higher than the heart can inspire." So as long as someone puts their heart into it, it's good? Maybe, maybe not. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:11:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album NJC/now rating art and the Dilbert guy, lol not sure if I find it refreshing or amusing or sad that painting and sculpture don't even enter the equation. I didn't read all the comments people had left. So I'm not sure if anyone addressed this, but what I read seemed to rate art very much by its "goal". Did it achieve its goal, whatever that is. And the "goal" seemed to be some thing that would be measured after the work was finished and (hopefully appreciated by others). But for me, one measure of art is how the *process* of creating that art advanced the person making the art. How well did it serve them? How well did that chopping up of time and space cause or let the creator/artist evolve WHILE the creating was taking plac?. So, i.e. the important part took place as the piece was being done. Some art is made and no one ever sees it! My own paintings, for instance are not viewed by many people at all, and yet for me they are wildly succesful, as they provided a way for me to process and purge. I get my ya-ya's out, as it were. Art criticism, christ, what an infinite hornet's nest. That's why I decided not to cast my fate with the art world, after I got my BA. Sooooooooooo much talk. So much bullshit. I find it hilarious though, that the Dilbert guy even talks about "Garfield" as "art". Hahahahahahahahahahh!!!! Em - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Joni's > > music as she's not so mainstream or whatever you want to refer to it > as.> > > I read a really interesting post on Scott Adams (Dilbert) blog this > AM > that deals with the subjectivity of judging art: > > http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/04/judging_art.html > > I'd be interested in hearing what y'all think about what he says. > > Bob > > NP: Led Zeppelin, "Moby Dick" > > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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And finally, Court and Spark is right up there and deserves all the praise it gets, except any that says it's better than Hejira, Blue of Hissing! Azeem in London On 4/23/07, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > nothing joni wrote is over rated > --------------------------- > Well perhaps asking what is overrated by Joni is not such a good > question. In a way, none of Joni's work is really overrated. I think > she's very > underrated in every way and I'm sure many of you would agree. But I > didn't > mean for anyone to think that something is not of good quality because > you > label it as overrated. I figured I'd ask the easy underrated > question...and > throw in the tough question as well. If you've got one side, you might > as well > have the other. > But like I said, perhaps the "overrated" question is not good for > Joni's > music as she's not so mainstream or whatever you want to refer to it as. > Ah well, to each his own > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:09:39 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: an apology NJC I took a break for a whole year, not being sure whether or not I wanted to return but somehow found my way back here. Sometimes, getting a different perspective on things can be a great help. We're all just a big web of weaving roads anyway. Even within my own immediate life here in Atlanta, I find all the paths and ways of the people I interact with take interesting, sometimes unpredictable yet curiously pertinent twists and turns. Victor On Apr 23, 2007, at 1:30 PM, mags h wrote: > sorry that i let my personal life/feelings take up space. needless > to say, i've got to go back to the garden and take a hiatus from > 'here'. thanks for the inspiration. as someone put it, maybe for good. > mags. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:36:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album NJC/now rating art and the Dilbert guy, lol But doesn't that kind of support what Adams is saying? Your goal/objective in creating the art is to release those ya-ya's and in so doing it is successful. A musician who releases an album that he/she wants to sell a million copies of is successful if that goal is achieved, even if it's crap. It's an interesting distinction because Joni consistently puts herself in the same marketplace as those kind of artists when clearly her goals for her creations are markedly different. She herself says that when you start in the music business, you have to decide if you want to be a star or an artist. And you could argue that she has done both, but certainly not at the star level of many. Anyway you slice it, judging art is always a hinky subject but always fun to talk about. Bob NP: Sam Cooke, "When A Boy Falls In Love" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album I'd agree with that whole-heartedly, and specifically to FTR for the simple reason that it is sandwiched in between two of her releases that DID get a massive amount of attention. Particularly in the world of covers, FTR is sorely neglected, and that's a real shame as they are some of her most beautiful & melodic songs. Bob NP: XTC, "Rhythm" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:08:51 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Dilbert the Dork NJC Dilbert is a big know-nothing dork. Aesthetics is a very complex subject. Criticism, while subjective, shouldn't be dismissed with knee-jerk anti-intellectual bullshit like that blog post. Of course I make a large part of my living as a critic. But, seriously, aesthetic judgments are only as good as the argument and evidence presented in support of such judgments. And the _de gustibus_ argument is an evasion of critical responsibility, though ultimately a position we must all eventually acknowledge as it allows us to agree to disagree. But "Harry Potter sucks," while appropriate for casual conversation, isn't criticism--it's a reaction, and not a very useful one--even though it's a judgment I more or less agree with. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:44 PM To: Azeem Ali Khan Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album I'd agree with that whole-heartedly, and specifically to FTR for the simple reason that it is sandwiched in between two of her releases that DID get a massive amount of attention. Particularly in the world of covers, FTR is sorely neglected, and that's a real shame as they are some of her most beautiful & melodic songs. Bob NP: XTC, "Rhythm" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:12:27 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Most underrated/overrated album FTR is my number one--and I agree it is underrated after the excellent Blue and the seriously overrated Court & Spark. (De gustibus non est disputandum --Dilbert) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:44 PM To: Azeem Ali Khan Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album I'd agree with that whole-heartedly, and specifically to FTR for the simple reason that it is sandwiched in between two of her releases that DID get a massive amount of attention. Particularly in the world of covers, FTR is sorely neglected, and that's a real shame as they are some of her most beautiful & melodic songs. Bob NP: XTC, "Rhythm" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:47:30 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: SJC another Joni tribute Saw this on Flickr - what a lineup - if only.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbake/444701157/ Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:15:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album to me the one song TI is worth it all. That one jewel supercedes anything i've heard since, sheesh, since stuff from Hejira. PERFECTION ON THE PLANET! :D Em - --- Azeem Ali Khan wrote: > Well, I think it's a perfectly valid question Moni! And I would > answer > that, in my opinion, Turbulent Indigo is vastly overrated - oh, and > don't > get me started on Travelogue, but I don't really count that as a bona > fide > album anyway [dons flak jacket]. Not so sure about underrated, but > when it > comes to the general perception, rather than we Joniphiles, I'd say > probably > For the Roses, Don Juan or Mingus are the least lauded. And finally, > Court > and Spark is right up there and deserves all the praise it gets, > except any > that says it's better than Hejira, Blue of Hissing! > > Azeem in London > > > On 4/23/07, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > > > nothing joni wrote is over rated > > --------------------------- > > Well perhaps asking what is overrated by Joni is not such a > good > > question. In a way, none of Joni's work is really overrated. I > think > > she's very > > underrated in every way and I'm sure many of you would agree. But > I > > didn't > > mean for anyone to think that something is not of good quality > because > > you > > label it as overrated. I figured I'd ask the easy underrated > > question...and > > throw in the tough question as well. If you've got one side, you > might > > as well > > have the other. > > But like I said, perhaps the "overrated" question is not good > for > > Joni's > > music as she's not so mainstream or whatever you want to refer to > it as. > > Ah well, to each his own > > -Monika > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > http://www.myspace.com/emzdogz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:19:31 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Most underrated/overrated album I agree, Em that the song "Turbulent Indigo" is sublime. Enough said. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:16 PM To: Azeem Ali Khan; Motitan@aol.com Cc: treegreen1@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album to me the one song TI is worth it all. That one jewel supercedes anything i've heard since, sheesh, since stuff from Hejira. PERFECTION ON THE PLANET! :D Em - --- Azeem Ali Khan wrote: > Well, I think it's a perfectly valid question Moni! And I would > answer > that, in my opinion, Turbulent Indigo is vastly overrated - oh, and > don't > get me started on Travelogue, but I don't really count that as a bona > fide > album anyway [dons flak jacket]. Not so sure about underrated, but > when it > comes to the general perception, rather than we Joniphiles, I'd say > probably > For the Roses, Don Juan or Mingus are the least lauded. And finally, > Court > and Spark is right up there and deserves all the praise it gets, > except any > that says it's better than Hejira, Blue of Hissing! > > Azeem in London > > > On 4/23/07, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > > > nothing joni wrote is over rated > > --------------------------- > > Well perhaps asking what is overrated by Joni is not such a > good > > question. In a way, none of Joni's work is really overrated. I > think > > she's very > > underrated in every way and I'm sure many of you would agree. But > I > > didn't > > mean for anyone to think that something is not of good quality > because > > you > > label it as overrated. I figured I'd ask the easy underrated > > question...and > > throw in the tough question as well. If you've got one side, you > might > > as well > > have the other. > > But like I said, perhaps the "overrated" question is not good > for > > Joni's > > music as she's not so mainstream or whatever you want to refer to > it as. > > Ah well, to each his own > > -Monika > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > http://www.myspace.com/emzdogz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:22:24 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: DJRD soon to come Well I just bought Don Juan's Reckless Daughter from the internet here. I'll be sending my payment tomorrow and waiting for it to come in after that. I checked the music stores I usually go to this past weekend and couldn't find the album so as a last resort, I turned to the net. I know there was a discussion here on the album not too long ago but.....that was then and soon I'll be more familiar with the album so discussing song x or y will mean something more. So, what are your favorite tracks from the album? What are some things I should keep in mind when listening? I've heard "Dreamland" (Though is it the exact track from the album? I'll see soon enough) and "Jericho" from MOA. Are those good representative songs of the album in general? What sort of feel does it have (I've looked it up in the library archives already and on Amazon but a fresh perspective is always welcome)? Is this the album with the 16 minute or so long song? Is that Paprika Plains? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:33:27 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Most underrated/overrated album/art And......as far as judging art/art/the artist in general goes, here's a couple quotes I find are valid in relation to this discussion: "Public opinion is a weak tyrant compared with our own private opinion. What a man thinks of himself, that is which determines, or rather indicates, his fate." -Henry David Thoreau "How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live." - -Henry David Thoreau - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:54:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come Motitan@aol.com wrote: >>>>Is this the album with the 16 minute or so long song? Is that Paprika Plains? - -Monika Yes, and that's a standout, but the whole album is incredible. Some wonderful playing by Jaco, Don Alias, et al, inventive music and lyrics by Joni, just a really great work. If the first playing doesn't grab you, don't give up. It's an album that tends to grow on you. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:45:38 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: RE: TX hooters njc Bree - Dropping the bombs were altogether unnecessary. The Japanese were already willing to surrender - conditionally if they could keep their emperor. Truman said no way. Others in the state dept understood the Japanese culture - that death was preferable to not having an emperor - and tried to explain all this to deaf ears. After the bombs were dropped, the U.S. accepted the Japanese surrender conditionally anyhow. Japan got to keep their emperor. So in the end, nothing changed, except A-Bombs dropped on women and babies - 200,000 add'l lives destroyed for no good reason. I certainly wouldn't call Truman a courageous being - at least not on the matter of dropping what you proudly boast of as The Big One. Mia <> This statement disturbs me deeply. >> _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:09:12 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re:"Turned off" tunes > - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > > I usually skip not only BYT but also Woodstock and The Circle Game > > when I > > listen to The Ladies of the Canyon... > > same here, but if Woodstock comes on by accident and I'm feeling like > "I can't get up!", tired or wasted... or whatever, then I let it play > and sometimes it blows me away, again. BYT, I can't let it play - have > to drag myself up and change it no matter what or my brain will feel > all silly. > Em > That's the way I feel when "Clouds" comes on. Ironically, when I was taking piano lessons, "Clouds" was one of the easiest Joni songs for me to learn (not that I ever played it well, mind you). Kenny B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #166 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------