From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #164 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 22 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 164 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SV: SV: Most underrated/overrated album ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Fw: njc shootings [Smurf ] Re: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] RE: Joni is heading for a fall at the ballet writes Rupert Christiansen ["Bill Pearson" ] My Play NJC ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: bush [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: shittings, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re:real deal, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Laura, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: dubya, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: SV: SV: Most underrated/overrated album [Em ] Re: Ho Dies, music news now Imagine Piano njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #122 [Em ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #122 [Catherine McKay ] Re: Ho Dies, music news now Imagine Piano njc ["mike pritchard" ] Big Yellow Taxi, yay or nay? [Motitan@aol.com] Re --Most underrated/overrated album [David Sapp ] Re: bush NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: SV: Most underrated/overrated album [Michael Flaherty ] BBC Crown Jewels (NJC) ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: dubya, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: TX hooters njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: BBC Crown Jewels (NJC) ["Randy Remote" ] RE: TX hooters njc [Bob Muller ] RE: TX hooters njc ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] re: mp3 players (njc) [Brian Gross ] NJC Re: Sgt pepper's Overrated? [Motitan@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:43:07 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: Most underrated/overrated album Hi Jeannie, I'm afraid you missed my point, or maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. I wasn't questioning the relevance of the song, or its success, and if it is useful in educating today's kiddies, that's just fine. I was just stating that I think it's overrated in comparison with more profound songs. Considering the fact that so many other artists have covered BYT, and that it is included in the tribute album (quite rightly, that's where it belongs), I am just wondering why Joni is doing yet another version on her upcoming album. Can't help suspecting that she might expect people to recognize that song and buy the album because of it. - Or maybe it's an age thing. Maybe I'm just sick and tired of hearing BYT everywhere I go since the late sixties, maybe it's because I have outgrown my youthful simplicity. I usually skip not only BYT but also Woodstock and The Circle Game when I listen to The Ladies of the Canyon... The again, can anything of Joni's be overrated? We better not let her catch us even asking a question like that;-) Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr jeannie Skickat: den 21 april 2007 23:18 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: SV: Most underrated/overrated album Hi Marion, Concerning the hit performed by many others, Big Yellow Taxi, yes, it may be very simple--but I don't think Joni's exploiting the success of BYT. To me, the song's true success is it's simple message which is alot more revelant now than what it was way back when Joni made the song. That song was the eye opener of many who were blind to the fact that we were destroying our planet..and still, children like my nieces who were here with me last night (we had a pajama party ages 3, 5, 7, and 49) can use the song as a reference to why we should leave spots on our apples to leave us the birds and the bees because they already took away our fireflies and so many pretty insects are dying away. They can't read the Kyoto Protocol so they have Joni's song to sing along to. They have the Keb'Mo version singing along with his little boy, they have the Amy Grant version, and they have the other version with a guy singing real nice and lively and they always play that one at the stores as you shop. And they have the Joni Mitchell version and that's their favorite. Last night they were playing claves, maracas, brazilian nut shakers, guiro and we were dancing away to Joni and her black tar babies!! Now, that to me is true success :) Hurt not the earth Neither sea Nor the trees. Revelations 7:3 - -- Marion Leffler wrote: > I think that CAS is definitely overrated and THOSL > is the most underrated. > To me, THOSL is just as good as Hejira. Mingus might > be underrated, I am not > one to tell since I don't get Mingus myself. > The most overrated song Joni has written is Big > Yellow Taxi, if you ask me. > It certainly is a nice little sing-along song but > she has done so much > better! I'm a little surprised to find that she has > after all given in to > "the business" by putting it on every collection of > her work, and even the > brandnew one coming up has a new version of it, or > so I heard anyway. I'm > not saying that it has nothing to say, we still > haven't resolved our > environmental problems, far from it, but "don't it > always seem to go that > you don't know what you got 'til it's gone" just > sounds a bit too simple > these days. But - it's one of her rare hits, maybe > it would be asking too > much of her not to go on exploiting that success. > Marion > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr > Motitan@aol.com > Skickat: den 21 april 2007 17:56 > Till: joni@smoe.org > Dmne: Most underrated/overrated album > > What do you think is Joni's most underrated album? > And better yet (perhaps > > more difficult), what do you think is Joni's most > overrated album? And of > course overrated doesn't mean you don't like it so > don't feel bad. For > example, I love the Beatles but I can EASILY say > Sgt. Pepper is OVERRATED. > There > are just better albums to me although I do like the > album (love Within You, > > Without You and a Day In The Life). > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at > http://www.aol.com. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat Except I think she stole that from Willie The Shake, right? Was it Othello? I'm not a Shakespeare expert but I recall seeing it mentioned here. On another note, I performed last night at my son's former high school's Fine Arts department fundraiser. We got to do our choice of songs, and one of my three was The Circle Game, which was significant to me as my son is 20. It's funny because I too am a tad tired of it (especially with all the covers I've collected) but when I sang it it took on a whole new freshness for me. hat was also cool was that afterwards at least three people came up to me and thanked me for singing the song and told me how much they loved Joni. Bob NP: The Decemberists, "Shankill Butchers" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:12:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Fw: njc shootings - --- Kakki wrote: > I don't know the solution but > somehow there has to be some > better way to deal with these people. Psychiatry > may have a long way to go at > this point. I think that isone of the lessons from > this terrible event. I had an interesting conversation last night with a friend I have known for about a year. My friend is one of two people I know who were mercilessly harassed throughout their school years for being gay. Anyway, my friend said he has a difficult time whenever a tragedy like Columbine or Virginia Tech happens because they give him bad dreams and remind him of the unrelenting fear and humiliation he suffered at the hands of bullies. He said he ends up feeling a great deal of empathy for the shooters because he used to fantasize way back in the 70s about getting a machine gun and going after his tormentors. (Although in my friend's fantasy, he didn't murder his classmates -- he just made them strip!) He said it's very frustrating for him because the media's emphasis is always on how these killers "slipped through the cracks" with very little ever said about children who bully children who are different or vulnerable, and the teachers who look the other way. There's much more to this story that I don't feel free to tell, but briefly . . . my friend's high school boyfriend -- who was also a victim of bullying -- became involved in a gun incident at school and that became an "international news story," according to my friend. (I haven't googled it yet, but I am not confident about finding anything about it online because it all happened 30 years ago.) Anyway, I thought this story gave me an interesting perspective to the subject of what might be done to prevent further massacres. And it's also another example of how the media just keep falling down on their jobs. - --Smurf . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:22:07 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat Yes... the line is something like 'Ruby in the ear of an Ethiope' or something like that... from Romeo and Juliet... much Joni Jamie Zoob On 22/04/07, Bob Muller wrote: > awesome. Only Joni could tattoo my mind like > that...> > > Except I think she stole that from Willie The Shake, right? Was it Othello? I'm not a Shakespeare expert but I recall seeing it mentioned here. > > On another note, I performed last night at my son's former high school's Fine Arts department fundraiser. We got to do our choice of songs, and one of my three was The Circle Game, which was significant to me as my son is 20. It's funny because I too am a tad tired of it (especially with all the covers I've collected) but when I sang it it took on a whole new freshness for me. hat was also cool was that afterwards at least three people came up to me and thanked me for singing the song and told me how much they loved Joni. > > Bob > > NP: The Decemberists, "Shankill Butchers" > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat "ROMEO: O, she doth teach the torches to burn bright. It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night Like a rich jewel in an Ethiop's ear -- Beauty too rich for use, for earth too dear." - --Smurf - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > Yes... the line is something like 'Ruby in the ear > of an Ethiope' or > something like that... from Romeo and Juliet... > > much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > > On 22/04/07, Bob Muller wrote: > > earring is > > awesome. Only Joni could tattoo my mind like > > that...> > > > > Except I think she stole that from Willie The > Shake, right? Was it Othello? I'm not a Shakespeare > expert but I recall seeing it mentioned here. > > > > On another note, I performed last night at my > son's former high school's Fine Arts department > fundraiser. We got to do our choice of songs, and > one of my three was The Circle Game, which was > significant to me as my son is 20. It's funny > because I too am a tad tired of it (especially with > all the covers I've collected) but when I sang it it > took on a whole new freshness for me. hat was also > cool was that afterwards at least three people came > up to me and thanked me for singing the song and > told me how much they loved Joni. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: The Decemberists, "Shankill Butchers" > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" > smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > > -- > I am a lonely Painter > I live in a Box of Paints > I'm frightened by the devil > But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... > > Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at > > http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 > > acting CV and showreel at > http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 > > http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk > href="http://www.facebook.com/p/Jamie_Zubairi/507811540">Facebook > me! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:24:05 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: RE: Joni is heading for a fall at the ballet writes Rupert Christiansen > And then there's a last line (most likely not > Christiansen's either) that says the tribute CD will > be released next Monday. > But it IS released next Monday (23rd)! In the UK it is, or should be. Best, Bill No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 21/04/2007 11:56 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:03:57 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Ho Dies, music news now Imagine Piano njc Randy Remote Rote >>John Lennon's white "Imagine" piano, purchased by George Michael, will go on tour, to be photographed at scenes of past violence such as the site of Martin Luther King's killing, as part of a peace promotion.<< If I'm not mistaken (and I may be) there is a white piano in the departure lounge of Liverpool John Lennon Airport which is claimed to be the 'Imagine' piano. Has GM bought this or are there more than one? mike in barcelona np San Geronimo - RHP ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:14:45 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat On Apr 22, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > > On another note, I performed last night at my son's former high > school's Fine Arts department fundraiser. We got to do our choice > of songs, and one of my three was The Circle Game, which was > significant to me as my son is 20. It's funny because I too am a > tad tired of it (especially with all the covers I've collected) but > when I sang it it took on a whole new freshness for me. hat was > also cool was that afterwards at least three people came up to me > and thanked me for singing the song and told me how much they loved > Joni. > > Cool...Joni music is everwhere. Not far from you, I played at a fundraiser for the music program at the UUCG church (Universalist Unitarian) in Gwinnett county. The house band did a sterling version of Big Yellow Taxi...they also did a nice version of Brown Eyed Girl complete with sax and horn. While I did not play a Joni song, I did a couple of originals, Heavenly Eyes/Real World, and got the band to play with me on Soulshine which was very nice indeed. Maybe the musical vibrations crossed each other in the air space between S.C and Georgia. Victor ND: Caribou Coffee PS. Go Lightning! Go Sox- sweep the Yanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:20:14 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: My Play NJC Hello to all London based listers (and those that might be visiting over the next few months) The play that I was touring with (and stopped me going to the Jonifest!) has finally hit the West End. We opened on Thursday and pres night is coming up on the 1st of May. Rather than make my friends pay the usual West End prices I've found a link from lastminute.com for best available seats for only #10! http://www.lastminute.com/lmn/pso/catalog/Product.jhtml?POSITION=1&PRODID=495868007&CATID=94227&source=crmuklmnnews070409regional&marker=theatre If you can come, that would be great! Let me know so we an have a drink after the show Jamie Zoob - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:41:53 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: bush Bree wrote: > But I have to > remember ...that George Bush is responsible for ALL the ills in the > world...and all future ills..........from the beginning of > time.............. > Bush's bills give us brand new ills. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:38:47 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: shittings, njc Bob wrote: > My gut tells me that Cho's "record" will probably be broken in our lifetime > by another idiot whose agenda is just that. > > The most broken thing in my opinion is the Press... pressing all of this shit onto minds, impressing nobody except the loons who see it all as a video game. Love and peace, Laura ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:46:13 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re:real deal, njc Randy wrote: > I am definitely offended that some two bit punk killer has > been compared to a man who has presided over the > extermination of half a million lives. This kid is a pretender. > George is the real deal. > Bull's eye! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:48:35 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura, njc Bree wrote: > >Bree, I don't think Laura blames everything on George. > >She just wants out from his Dubya world of politics. > > Laura Stanley? > > Yeah, right here... What? Huh? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:44:01 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: dubya, njc > Bree, I don't think Laura blames everything on George. > She just wants out from his Dubya world of politics. > I'd want a divorce too if I was Laura. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: SV: SV: Most underrated/overrated album - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > I usually skip not only BYT but also Woodstock and The Circle Game > when I > listen to The Ladies of the Canyon... same here, but if Woodstock comes on by accident and I'm feeling like "I can't get up!", tired or wasted... or whatever, then I let it play and sometimes it blows me away, again. BYT, I can't let it play - have to drag myself up and change it no matter what or my brain will feel all silly. Em http://www.myspace.com/emzdogz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:04:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ho Dies, music news now Imagine Piano njc - --- mike pritchard wrote: > Randy Remote Rote > >>John Lennon's white "Imagine" piano, purchased by > George Michael, will go on > tour, to be photographed at scenes of past violence > such as the site of Martin > Luther King's > killing, as part of a peace promotion.<< > > If I'm not mistaken (and I may be) there is a white > piano in the departure > lounge of Liverpool John Lennon Airport which is > claimed to be the 'Imagine' > piano. Has GM bought this or are there more than > one? Maybe they meant "Imaginary Piano." Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:05:59 EDT From: ROSCOE1TC@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #122 most overrated album this seems almost like heresy. i love hejira, and it's way up there on my list, but i do think it is overrated. it contains some of joni's very finest moments...and that's really saying something.... but, to my ears, it also contains some of her least exciting compositions. perhaps they're only less exciting because they are placed next to such perfect, envelope-pushing performances. i think "coyote," "amelia," "furry sings the blues," "hejira," and "black crow" are stunning works--songs that, rightfully, have contributed much to the knowledge that we're dealing with genius here. songs like "a strange boy," song for sharon," "blue motel room," and "refuge of the roads" are below the standards set by the previously-mentioned songs. i remember the thread on this website about both "refuge of the roads" and "song for sharon," so i know i'm certainly stating an unpopular opinion. roscoe ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:16:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: bush NJC Probably more truthful to say that his ILLS give us brand new BILLS - as if he hadn't squandered a budget surplus and run up the defecit enough, just stop and think of how much we, our kids, their kids, will pay for supporting the troops that are wounded physically and psychologically. The numbers are already pretty high and we haven't even gotten started yet. I've heard estimates of $400 billion. Of course, he'll be gone by the time most of his major bills come due - an old Reagan trick. Bob NP: The Eagles, "The Last Resort" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:16:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #122 you are a brave man, I must say. Em :) - --- ROSCOE1TC@aol.com wrote: > most overrated album > > this seems almost like heresy. i love hejira, and it's way up there > on my > list, but i do think it is overrated. it contains some of joni's > very finest > moments...and that's really saying something.... but, to my ears, it > also > contains some of her least exciting compositions. ...snip... http://www.myspace.com/emzdogz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:18:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #122 - --- ROSCOE1TC@aol.com wrote: > most overrated album > > this seems almost like heresy. i love hejira, and > it's way up there on my > list, but i do think it is overrated. it contains > some of joni's very finest > moments...and that's really saying something.... > but, to my ears, it also > contains some of her least exciting compositions. > perhaps they're only less > exciting because they are placed next to such > perfect, envelope-pushing > performances. i think "coyote," "amelia," "furry > sings the blues," "hejira," and > "black crow" are stunning works--songs that, > rightfully, have contributed much > to the knowledge that we're dealing with genius > here. songs like "a strange > boy," song for sharon," "blue motel room," and > "refuge of the roads" are > below the standards set by the previously-mentioned > songs. i remember the thread > on this website about both "refuge of the roads" > and "song for sharon," so i > know i'm certainly stating an unpopular opinion. > I think "Hejira" has that effect on people. Some love it, some don't care for it at all and, among those who love it, the list of songs they'd keep and songs they'd get rid of are probably vastly different. Musically, many of the songs can sound very much the same. Once you've got your guitar tuned to the right notes, though, they're pretty easy to play, so that's OK. To me, it's very meditative music, sort of like chanting. You have to be in the mood. IF you're not, it can sound very boring. I'm not crazy about either "Amelia" or "Song for Sharon", because I think they just go on too long. I guess I just have a short attention span. I keep wishing Joni would cut a verse or something. "Furry" doesn't do a lot for me, although lately I've been thinking about how it might sound on piano. Too bad my piano skills are so mediocre, because I can hear it, but I can't get my fingers to go there. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:29:08 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Ho Dies, music news now Imagine Piano njc the equator is a menagerie lion running around the world... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "mike pritchard" ; "list" Cc: "Randy Remote" Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Ho Dies, music news now Imagine Piano njc > > --- mike pritchard wrote: > > > Randy Remote Rote > > >>John Lennon's white "Imagine" piano, purchased by > > George Michael, will go on > > tour, to be photographed at scenes of past violence > > such as the site of Martin > > Luther King's > > killing, as part of a peace promotion.<< > > > > If I'm not mistaken (and I may be) there is a white > > piano in the departure > > lounge of Liverpool John Lennon Airport which is > > claimed to be the 'Imagine' > > piano. Has GM bought this or are there more than > > one? > > Maybe they meant "Imaginary Piano." > > > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:43:41 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album Funny you should raise this subject Monika! I only just did a review on Amazon for Clouds, putting accross how underrated I think it is - --------------------------- Excellent. I agree that Clouds is very underrated. It has some beautiful songs on it yet it gets overlooked. Plus it's just perfect to listen to driving in the car on a NICE, sunny Spring day as I did yesterday. This whole weekend where I'm at is beautiful. - -Monika, going to the Zoo today to enjoy the weather! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:38:41 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Brisbane Times article Comments are interspersed, eh? http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/music/captive-on-the-carousel-of-time/20 07/04/20/1176697070492.html >"I'M AN UPPITY female," Joni Mitchell says while sitting in the kitchen of her house in an upmarket neighbourhood of Los Angeles. "In the media, there's no one like me. I'm as good as - and better than - most. But I'm not given my fair shake."> Joni sounds like Pastorius in the 2nd sentence, and like Mingus in the third and fourth. In the article, it says, "From the next room, I can hear the elegant strains of Mitchell's work in progress." This is the good ol' Joni, watching the details, as in the ol' days. It sounds like (maybe) she's sequencing the album. This isn't the "rush work" she did on hit/misses. >Tentatively titled Shine, featuring a new version of Big Yellow Taxi and due later in the year...> Joni told the interviewer "SHE asked her management if they could arrange for her to compile a CD for Starbucks' Artist's Choice series." This disc is worthwhile. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:51:32 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Big Yellow Taxi, yay or nay? People here were talking about BYT and not really liking it too much or liking other songs more. Well, I was going to respond to those particular posts but not I can't find them in my deleted and old mail so here it is. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the song myself either. In fact, I actually like the 1974 MOA reworking of it much, much, much more. Now that gets me man. But I do enjoy the lyrics and more than anything I support the song just because it is Joni. Often people will know that song (people I know or talk to) and nothing more so I'll hype "Joni" up as opposed to the song itself. If I hear it play somewhere or something like that, I make sure everyone knows that it's Joni Mitchell. As far as LOTC goes, I do usually skip it. Like I said though, I love the MOA version. I never skip that! I also like the IOW '70 performance of it though that is much closer to the original than the '74 one. But I probably just like that because seeing is believing! I love live concerts, especially ones you can watch on DVD. Joni seems pretty good live so it's always enjoyable. That's my take on it. And if Joni likes to put it on collections a lot, well more power to her. It does attract attention and afterall, music (whether you like it or not) is a business. - -Mon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:52:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Re --Most underrated/overrated album Most underrated -- Dog Eat Dog (although I would say all of Joni's work is underrated by the general public) most overrated -- Blue - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:07:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: bush NJC Bob Muller wrote: > Of course, he'll be gone by the time most of his major bills come due - > an old Reagan trick. > Even Lee Iaccoca decried what has happened to the salaries of CEO's in the last ten years on CBS Sunday morning. Tickle down? More like gush up! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:15:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: SV: Most underrated/overrated album First of all, the nature of this discussion means that Joni's most popular albums are going to get hit. Even if DED is your least favorite album, for example, you're certainly not going call it "overrated", and if your favorite album is Blue you certainly would claim it to be underrated. Then there's the question of over or underrated by whom? Hejira is the most popular album here, but not with the world at large. Meanwhile, albums that are almost forgotten get plenty of praise here. That said then, of the Joni albums that are most popular, I like C&S the least, so I suppose I would pick that. Underrated, I think I might go with DJRD, as at least HOSL and M have their followings (M as much with Jaco's fans as Joni's). Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:47:17 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: Big Yellow Taxi, yay or nay? The fact BYT is a popular song is all incidental to me, and I believe it is to Joni too. It's a really special song, and I think if Joni was going to squash her integrity she'd of done it by now. I remember someone at a place I used to work who knew I was a Joni fan, remarking he couldn't believe she hadn't re-recorded BYT for TLOG. I of course was not surprised she hadn't. I think she's re-recorded it now because she's in a lighter mood than she has been in the past several years or so (at least that's how it seems) despite her still political nature. And despite BYT makes reference to people destroying the environment, it's not a serious song - it's light and not a mood piece. Any thought it provokes is incidental. This I think is where it succeeds. One-dimensional songs with obvious agendas usually suck. Ste (looking forward to Tori Amos's American Doll Posse!) >From: Motitan@aol.com >Reply-To: Motitan@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Big Yellow Taxi, yay or nay? >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:51:32 EDT > >People here were talking about BYT and not really liking it too much or >liking other songs more. Well, I was going to respond to those particular >posts >but not I can't find them in my deleted and old mail so here it is. > Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the song myself either. In fact, I >actually like the 1974 MOA reworking of it much, much, much more. Now >that >gets me man. But I do enjoy the lyrics and more than anything I support >the >song just because it is Joni. Often people will know that song (people I >know >or talk to) and nothing more so I'll hype "Joni" up as opposed to the song >itself. If I hear it play somewhere or something like that, I make sure >everyone knows that it's Joni Mitchell. > As far as LOTC goes, I do usually skip it. Like I said though, I >love >the MOA version. I never skip that! I also like the IOW '70 performance >of >it though that is much closer to the original than the '74 one. But I >probably just like that because seeing is believing! I love live >concerts, >especially ones you can watch on DVD. Joni seems pretty good live so it's >always >enjoyable. > That's my take on it. And if Joni likes to put it on collections a >lot, >well more power to her. It does attract attention and afterall, music >(whether you like it or not) is a business. >-Mon > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:00:03 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Big Yellow Taxi, yay or nay? I didn't care for it in 1970. I still wonder about the relationship between the personal and the political in the song. Is it really fair to equate the destruction of the environment with the end of a relationship? The song's title focuses on the personal dimension. I also remember, at the actual time of the first Earth Day (it was 37 years ago today), that "ecology" was a safer, and less-threatening cause compared with anti-war activism. "Earth Day" was sanctioned by my relatively conservative private school, while anti-war activism was not. The context for the first Earth Day for me is that days later came the shootings at Kent State, and we took to the streets, getting tear-gassed for our trouble(in DC). While I would never be contemptuous of environmental issues nowadays, I saw them as a form of co-optation in 1970. And I thought then and still think to a certain extent that Joni trivializes the environmental issues raised in BYT, once the BYT itself makes an appearance and it just become a song about romantic love. The novelty song nature of this song is underscored by the giggling at the end. That in particular has always made me cringe. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Motitan@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:52 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Big Yellow Taxi, yay or nay? People here were talking about BYT and not really liking it too much or liking other songs more. Well, I was going to respond to those particular posts but not I can't find them in my deleted and old mail so here it is. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the song myself either. In fact, I actually like the 1974 MOA reworking of it much, much, much more. Now that gets me man. But I do enjoy the lyrics and more than anything I support the song just because it is Joni. Often people will know that song (people I know or talk to) and nothing more so I'll hype "Joni" up as opposed to the song itself. If I hear it play somewhere or something like that, I make sure everyone knows that it's Joni Mitchell. As far as LOTC goes, I do usually skip it. Like I said though, I love the MOA version. I never skip that! I also like the IOW '70 performance of it though that is much closer to the original than the '74 one. But I probably just like that because seeing is believing! I love live concerts, especially ones you can watch on DVD. Joni seems pretty good live so it's always enjoyable. That's my take on it. And if Joni likes to put it on collections a lot, well more power to her. It does attract attention and afterall, music (whether you like it or not) is a business. - -Mon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:14:13 -0400 From: srobe444@aol.com Subject: Sgt pepper's Overrated? You really had to be alive when that came out to appreciate what an impact Sgt. Pepper's was. Totally different from anything before it. Underrated Joni album? I would say HOSL, not from people on this list but by the critical reaction when it was released. Overrated? I think C&S only because it was such a critical and popoular success when there were so many albums that were deeper emotionally and musically - Blue, FTR, Hejiria - even Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm and Night Ride Home. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:22:09 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: dubya, njc Shucks.... they are so so cute together...and I believe faithful. That doesn't count ............I guess? > > Bree, I don't think Laura blames everything on George. > > She just wants out from his Dubya world of politics. > > > >I'd want a divorce too if I was Laura. > > > > >************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:19:44 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: BBC Crown Jewels (NJC) Again, thank you to whoever it was who originally mentioned this series on VH-1 Classics channel. I've been recording them all (although immediately erasing some . Joe Jackson, ugh!) and found Crosby & Nash is a recent one that played. Graham starts off with "Simple Man" and as a Joni fan it is achingly obvious it's about Joni. And he talks Crosby into doing "Traction in the Rain," which is a beautiful song. They sound just wonderful. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:03:14 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: dubya, njc In a message dated 4/22/07 12:26:13 PM, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > Shucks.... they are so so cute together...and I believe faithful. That > doesn't count ............I guess? > > Believing counts depending poll. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:28:30 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: TX hooters njc Hi Jeannie... >Bush, who said on Good Morning America that >her "mind is too beautiful to waste thinking of the >dead soldier's body bags coming home." I think she >says she prefers her gardening. I'm sure this was taken out of context. Even if she felt this way...would she be dumb enough to say such an insensitive comment to million of viewers? >Harry Reid is one of the most courageous politicians >out there, Bree. >What do you mean? I'm glad you like him..Jeannie..but I don't. Courageous? ( Btw...courage and brilliant are two words I think are way over used....thrown around like bird seed) I don't see any courage coming from him. Tell me about the courageous Harry Reid. I think that statement he made the other day...for all the world to hear..was very imprudent and down right treacherous. Think about it..the United states is in the midst of war...sending reinforcements as I write this...American soldiers lives on the line...and Harry says.."the war is lost." Boy..with Harry on our side..do we really need enemies.?! Sometimes I feel that certain Democrats don't want the U.S. to win because IF the U.S. wins...that would mean George was right.....George wins. Do you think I am off base with this? >>Huh? Please state references. If good governing means >putting prison people to death at the snap of a finger >and handing out gargantuan political favors, what's >bad governing? >Well, name me a few historical cases for reference, >please. >>Bree, aren't you tired of this war or are you glad we >are there? If he was such a bad governor ....would the Republican party have picked him as their candidate? I'm not for the death penalty... but if one is elected governor of a state where the death penalty is on the books...G. W. Bush had no choice but to follow the laws of Texas. Under our laws and the jury system..it was the people ...the defendants peers ...who said death. Again..he had no choice but to follow their recommendations. (in most cases..anyway) There are many things in history to cite ......Abraham Lincoln was very unpopular..he fired many generals...more generals than.. as someone said.. than Henry VIII had wife's. But Lincoln persevered..stood by his convictions. He stood at Gettysburg...and gave his famous address not long after the THREE day battle... where FIFTY THOUSAND lives were lost. I don't have to tell you Lincoln's place in history. Harry Truman was very unpopular but now is considered a very good president. Where all the democrats like Harry "courageous Truman"? ;-) He dropped the big one on Japan. Bringing WWII quickly to a close..and thus saving thousands of American lives. Yes..thousands died but thousands more were saved in the long run. DDT...sorry Joni..I love you...BUT....thousands upon thousands of Africans have died..and are dying today... as a result of the ban on DDT. They died and are dying from malaria and other diseases...malnutrition ...because of the misinformation about this pesticide. At one time.. banning DDT was thought to be a good thing...but now there are many saying it costs millions of lives. The only thing that ban was good for was Western countries ..so they could start patting themselves on the back and go to sleep at night.... because there was no DDT on their apples. Now it is known that in small doses it is non-lethal...and a good thing...it help saves lives. Tired of this war? I don't know if tired would be a word I would use...but it is war..Jeannie...wars are ugly..you know all the adjectives...but good things do come from wars being fought. History shows us that. History is yet to come on Iraq. Bree _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:08:35 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: BBC Crown Jewels (NJC) That might have been me-but I didn't know there was a Crosby-Nash one. The Joni and Neil ones are great- although I could not find a listing for them coming up. Crosby-Nash will be shown again on Monday at 4:30PM EST, and also Thurs. 4/26 at 11:30PM EST on VH-1 Classics. I recently sprang for the "Crosby- Nash Live" album that was released back in '78- it has a couple of songs added that weren't on the original LP-and a great band-Lindley, Kootch, Kunkel, ...good album. And of course there is the "Another Stoney Evening" 'official bootleg' with the two guys on acoustics. Quietly powerful stuff. RR > Again, thank you to whoever it was who originally mentioned this series on > VH-1 Classics channel. I've been recording them all (although immediately > erasing some . Joe Jackson, ugh!) and found Crosby & Nash is a recent one > that played. Graham starts off with "Simple Man" and as a Joni fan it is > achingly obvious it's about Joni. And he talks Crosby into doing > "Traction > in the Rain," which is a beautiful song. They sound just wonderful. > > Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: TX hooters njc Bree - of course you are obviously way off base. Off base? dang, you're not even in the ballpark, babe. There's simply no victory to be had there militarily, and if you want to beat up on Harry (and he's not my favorite guy either but I hope he sticks to his guns on the spending bill) then you rightfully have to beat up on the generals and military leaders that are saying the same thing - if you can keep up with who they are; everytime they speak the truth of the situation they get ousted & replaced. Am I imagining things, or has this "surge" produced only more chaos, more killing, more destruction? I know, I know - we've turned a corner and Baghdad is safe to walk around in (as long as you've got 100 soldiers and two Blackhawks surrounding you). And what's a "win" anyway? We kill ALL the Iraqis and make it State #51? We establish a western-style democracy and build Wal-Marts & McDonalds? What? Doesn't really matter - George has already achieved his victory anyway - he's helped his cronies and base make a fortune, so he's got his win. Like I said earlier, Iraq will be another one of the next president's problem, like so much of his botched-up presidency. I realize that I can't make you believe any of this, I don't know why I bother to respond except for I just can't let such inane statements lie there. Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "Masters of War" (wow, amazing that my media player picked this one to play) - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:14:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: RE: TX hooters njc Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Hi Jeannie... > >>Bush, who said on Good Morning America that >>her "mind is too beautiful to waste thinking of the >>dead soldier's body bags coming home." I think she >>says she prefers her gardening. > > I'm sure this was taken out of context. Even if she felt this > way...would she be dumb enough to say such an insensitive comment to > million > of viewers? The exact quote is: But why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day its gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, its, its not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that. And watch him suffer. - - Barbara Bush > If he was such a bad governor ....would the Republican party have picked > him To win. No other reason. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: re: mp3 players (njc) Thanks to the recent discussion on ipods and mp3 players here, I did some research and found what I hope is a winner. The SanDisk sansa m240 holds 1GB and runs for 19 hours on a single AAA battery. It has FM radio and voice recorder as built-in extra features of this little flash-memory USB-equipped device. And the reviews by users were excellent! CompUSA has it for under $50 so OfficeMax price matched it from their usual $75 price. I feel like I've joined the 21st Century (as I listen to last century's remastered Club 47 recordings on my new little music machine!) Brian ps Happy EarthDay/Birthday Miranda! - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:28:46 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Sgt pepper's Overrated? Well, I understand that at its time it was huge. It really influenced people even more to experiment in music (though you can tell with albums by other artists even before Sgt. Pepper that that was already beginning to happen). I just don't think it stands up to all the acclaim it gets today. In my honest opinion, there are some weak songs on there. If the Beatles were all about songs like "She's Leaving Home" or "When I'm 64" or "Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite" I doubt I would be into them. And I also find the album a tad bit overproduced. But once again, I realize nothing like that had been done up until that point. And even the "concept" fails. There's no concept to it other than a few songs. They abandoned that quite early in the writing/recording process. Was it something totally new and different? Yes. Are there some standout songs on it (in my opinion)? Just a couple. Are there some clunkers? Yes. Is this the Beatles' greatest work? No. to me, they did better before and after. I just think the Beatles produced far greater works than this. Rubber Soul....Revolver....the White Album. I understand how much it impacted music but the Beatles themselves impacted music with far greater things than this album. That's just me though. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #164 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------