From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #162 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, April 21 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 162 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- njc shootings [] Re: stupid question re iPod NJC ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:17:16 -0700 From: Subject: njc shootings Bob wrote: > I don't think so. He was born in South Korea, but he >was a US citizen. Lori wrote: >My bad. I heard on initial reports that he was a resident >alien. He was not a citizen - he was a resident alien on a green card. There have been several reports and interviews with the man who owned the shop who sold him the gun. The bigger problem is that the checking system failed. Anyone with documented mental illness cannot be sold a gun. A judge in 2005 set forth an order that he was a danger to himself and others. When they ran the check, that document never came up. I don't want to get into the gun debate. I don;t own a gun and they personally scare me. However, I believe in the right to own them (with of course all of the checks that our 20,000 something guns laws in the US provide). The bigger problem to me is that people who are a danger to others are just ignored and slipped through the cracks in the US. Privacy and civil rights laws too liberally interpreted, like it or not. Cho was clearly a menace for many years. Many came forth and raised the red flag but all the "authorities" legal or otherwise would not take action until he actually harmed someone. Others were deathly afraid to press charges. Who wants to do that if one feels nothing will be done and that by doing so, the person will then be an even greater threat to you? In general, people are cowards and look the other way hoping it doesn't happen in their backyard. What is the old saying? If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have them. That is reality. If Cho didn't have a gun (and he should not ever have had one) he could have just as easily found another way to destroy people. Schools should have enough authority to tell students who are stalking, intimidating and threatening students and teachers to either leave or go through mandatory treatment. Period. How ridiculous when you think of our laws with regard to people driving and drinking. If they are caught they have at least a year of mandatory rehab, AA, community service and fines, if not jail time. Yet people who are threatening to a community over and over are left to their own devices. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:12:27 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: stupid question re iPod NJC From: "Catherine McKay" > And speaking of annoying, the only song I keep hearing > in my head these days, because they keep playing it, > is Avril Lavigne singing, "Hey! Hey! You! You! I don't > like your girlfriend!" > "Hey! Hey! You! You! Get Off of My Cloud"-Rolling Stones ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #162 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------