From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #161 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 20 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 161 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Shootings ["Lori Fye" ] RE: stupid question re iPod NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC Shootings [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Mellencamp supports troops, if not the war- NJC [Em ] Re: stupid question re iPod NJC ["AJ" ] Re: Mellencamp supports troops, if not the war- NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: stupid question re iPod NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: stupid question re iPod NJC [Em ] Re: stupid question re iPod NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: stupid question re iPod NJC [Em ] Re: stupid question re iPod NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Mellencamp supports troops, if not the war- NJC ["rflynn@frontiernet.] FW: Fwd: Fw: Driftwood Horses ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Mellencamp supports troops, if not the war- NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: stupid question re iPod NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: stupid question re iPod NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: stupid question re iPod NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Subject: RE: Covers - now njc about the 4ad record label ["mike pritchard] Re: Subject: RE: Covers - now njc about the 4ad record label [Bob.Muller@] Mendeld's Gallery book "Joni Mitchell Voices" [Randy Johnson ] Re: Mendeld's Gallery book "Joni Mitchell Voices" [Victor Johnson ] Re: stupid question re iPod NJC ["ron" ] Re: NJC Shootings ["ron" ] Re: NJC Shootings [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Shootings [jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:20:26 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Shootings This is going to sound unfair to somebody, but my opinion is that a non-citizen in the U.S. should not be able to buy a gun. Even if you have a green card, you're not a citizen, you can't vote, and so (to my way of thinking) you don't get to buy a gun. (In fact, here's another thought: you are a citizen, but you don't bother to vote, so you don't get to buy a gun either.) The above won't solve everything, but it would've prevented Cho from at least buying legal guns. There are too many guns in the U.S., and it's too easy to obtain them, particularly through legal means. Lori, who is a U.S. citizen, does vote, and does own a gun Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:03:07 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: stupid question re iPod NJC Sure...listen, I remember going running with a set of FM radio headphones, they were klunky as hell and made my ears hurt, and the songs would weave in and out of the static, depending on which direction my head was pointing in. Then I graduated to a Sony walkman, strapping it to my gut and having the jostling of the tapes make it sound like the bands were underwater. Now, I've got locked-in digital recordings, a variety of hundreds of songs, on a device that's lighter than air, and it sounds wonderful. And I'm supposed to be bitching about that?? Me not think so. Happy Friday everyone! Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Hidden Charms" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Can all my current mp3 files be > transferred to the iPod or does that device only support its own > particular format? Private replies are welcome so you don't annoy > the list. Thanks! There's a trick to getting songs you've downloaded from Rhapsody or the other non-I-Tunes store. You need to transfer them to disk then transfer them back to I-Tunes. Don't know how or why this works, but it does and none of my other attempts at doing it did. The music I had on my computer from other sources-- like my CDs--transferred just fine from MY MUSIC on the computer into I-Tunes. (I previously had a Rip, BTW.) HTH, AJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:22:11 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: stupid question re iPod NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" > What I've found is that if I go to listen to a piece > of music on the computer (e.g. Muller's covers that I > may just have downloaded), then I-tunes will open and > sometimes it will start putting the stuff into one of > the kids' I-pod lists without my telling it to, and > then they'll wonder why they've got some song on their > I-Pod that they didn't ask for. You've got to opt for manual configuration on I-Tunes. You can set it up for separate devices. I have one for my Nano and one for my Shuffle. You can have separate ones for your kids' IPods. But then you have to manually eject your Ipod, which is an option under the ITunes Control menu. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:23:54 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Mellencamp supports troops, if not the war- NJC I thought that was pretty humorous too, Em - not quite as good as the "HYSTERICAL" Al Gore, but still pretty good. Funny how the mainstream media defines the pro-quagmire types as patriots while those of us who apparently have the ability to assimilate facts and think for ourselves are branded as outspoken lefties, bleeding hearts, terrorist supporters, you name it. And what's the big deal about "supporting the troops"? Fer crissake, is there anyone that doesn't?* As for Mellencamp's record, it's a great one. 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Someone probably answered "yes" to one of those "do you want to make x the default for Y?" (It wudden me!) Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:41:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: stupid question re iPod NJC - --- AJ wrote: > There's a trick to getting songs you've downloaded from > Rhapsody or the other non-I-Tunes store. You need > to transfer them to disk then transfer them back to I-Tunes. > Don't know how or why this works, but it does and none > of my other attempts at doing it did. fwiw, mp3's purchased from eMusic.com do not need have this extra step. They load right into iTunes. Drag and drop the files. Couldn't be easier. I've never bought anything from Rhapsody, as it is "brought to you by" the folks who brought us (oh god I'm afraid to utter the dread words) REAL PLAYER....screammmmmmmmmm.....run.....hide......the insidious and omnipresent REALPLAYER. you can run but you can't hide..lol. But they (Rhapsody) DO seem to have an enormous selection of stuff. (which is attractive to me) AJ, are you signed up with Rhapsody? Do you like it? Was just wondering if anyone likes it. I know a few of us on here like emusic.com quite well, but I've wondered about Rhapsody. thx Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:54:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: stupid question re iPod NJC - --- AJ wrote: > There's a trick to getting songs you've downloaded > from > Rhapsody or the other non-I-Tunes store. You need > to transfer them to disk then transfer them back to > I-Tunes. > Don't know how or why this works, but it does and > none > of my other attempts at doing it did. > > The music I had on my computer from other sources-- > like my CDs--transferred just fine from MY MUSIC > on the computer into I-Tunes. > This begs another possibly stupid question: why would you want to download from I-Tunes or similar at a cost of $1 per tune (OK - 99 cents!) when you could buy the CD and rip your own to whatever formats you want? I get it if there's only one song that you like, but somehow (to me, anyway), it seems kind of foolish to pay to download a bunch of songs at $1 each when you can often buy an entire CD on sale for $15 or less? and, if you have the CD, then you can rip to whatever format you like, and how-many-ever copies you like. I have a program I bought a few years ago for about $20 or so (?) called Easy CD-DA extractor from http://www.poikosoft.com/ It converts, it rips, it burns - it may even slash! You can convert flac to wav to mp3 and any which way. You can try it out for free for about a month. My only caveat at this point is that he has decided to no longer allow you to convert to/from shn, so, if you do download it, get a slightly older version that still allows shn conversion. There are probably other programs as good or better, but I am familiar (inasmuch as that's possible) with this one and it works for me. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: stupid question re iPod NJC - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > This begs another possibly stupid question: why would > you want to download from I-Tunes or similar at a cost > of $1 per tune (OK - 99 cents!) when you could buy the > CD and rip your own to whatever formats you want? for me, there are 2 things. a. immediacy, I can have it nNOW, at my whim, without having to leave the house - and that feeds my inner spoiled brat, which is really gratifying at times. b. soooooooo many albums have "filler" cuts (like hot dogs), I buy the 3 or so good ones (or just one) and leave the extraneous stuff. For instance, I really had no desire for the entire Alvin and the Chipmuncks CD and so it was wonderful to be able to download just the one cut! AND.... at the same time, download NRBQ's version! PRICELESS! That's from my perspective. But its not all hunky dory. The DRM taints the experience. Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:28:29 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: stupid question re iPod NJC This applies in uber-fashion to lots of CD's that have a Joni cover on them. It is SOOOOOOOOOOO wonderful to be able to spend $1 and get the track I want as opposed to buying the entire CD for $15 or so and then having to dispose of it. It has taught me to be patient, though....I used to spring for the CD's immediately either on Amazon or cdbaby or on the artist's website, now I wait for about 6 months after they come out in hopes that they will appear on itunes for a dollar download. Even then, sometimes I get burned and RIGHT AFTER I buy the CD the tune shows up in itunes - D'oh!! 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Fer crissake, is > there anyone that doesn't?* > > As for Mellencamp's record, it's a great one. > > NP: Sonic Youth, "Disconnection Notice" > > *supporting the troops does not include the ones that torture, rape and > murder. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. 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It will be really nice weather for a race. take care, doctor!!! love, janice Note: forwarded message attached. - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:21:10 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Mellencamp supports troops, if not the war- NJC >And what's the big deal about "supporting the troops"? Fer crissake, is >there anyone that doesn't?* Yes..Bob..the people who spat at some military at a anti-war rally. Thankfully.........most people are more respectful..even though they disagree with their mission. It reminds me of people who pillory the police but are the first to call them when they are in need of them. >*supporting the troops does not include the ones that torture, rape and >murder. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >business-confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >material from any computer. 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Hardly worth discussing and certainly doesn't make me alter my >statement. > >Bob > >NP: Led Zeppelin, "The Rain Song" > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >business-confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >material from any computer. 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Bruce in Tucson > Maybe John McCain can do his Beach Boys routine as an opening act. > > Quoting Bob.Muller@Fluor.com: > >> > oh please, I am rolling on the floor!!!!!!!> >> >> I thought that was pretty humorous too, Em - not quite as good as the >> "HYSTERICAL" Al Gore, but still pretty good. Funny how the mainstream >> media defines the pro-quagmire types as patriots while those of us who >> apparently have the ability to assimilate facts and think for ourselves >> are branded as outspoken lefties, bleeding hearts, terrorist supporters, >> you name it. >> >> And what's the big deal about "supporting the troops"? Fer crissake, is >> there anyone that doesn't?* >> >> As for Mellencamp's record, it's a great one. >> >> NP: Sonic Youth, "Disconnection Notice" >> >> *supporting the troops does not include the ones that torture, rape and >> murder. >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >> business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >> are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >> dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >> in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >> material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message >> are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect >> the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:23:26 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: stupid question re iPod NJC > Randy wrote: > >> CD's were better than LP's > > I disagree. CDs were/are handier than LPs, CDs reduced the chances for > pops > and hisses and skips, but CDs also reduced the depth and warmth of the > music > -- you can hear this even on an average stereo system. Go ahead, spin > some > vinyl tonight and listen to the difference. Sometimes I really miss LPs. > (And let's not even get into the cover art differences ...) Yeah, you may be right from a subjective viewpoint. Somehow vinyl is more "ear-friendly". That 'warmth' may just be pleasant sounding even-harmonic distortion! Studios are using tubes and various plug-ins to inject that sound into digital recordings. CDs smoke LPs on stuff like wider frequency response, immeasurable distortion, more dynamic range. The thing I liked about them immediately was the lack of surface noise, and no phase problems like LP's get as the grooves get closer to the label. And less fragile if handled right. I do love my LPs (and the artwork), but convienience usually wins out, a CD is so much easier to play. Some CDs sound really good-and when you think about it, you can't listen to digital music. It is converted to analog before it leaves the CD player. The D/A converter is all important, and audiophiles (and studios) will spend big bucks on them. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:26:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: stupid question re iPod NJC - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > hot dogs)> > > This applies in uber-fashion to lots of CD's that > have a Joni cover on > them. It is SOOOOOOOOOOO wonderful to be able to > spend $1 and get the > track I want as opposed to buying the entire CD for > $15 or so and then > having to dispose of it. Muller, you'already have at least a year's worth of Joni covers accumulated, so I think it does pay to be patient! I'd agree that if there were only one or two songs I wanted, I might go with I-tunes or similar. Imagine an entire CD's worth of Joni covers... by the Chipmunks! And speaking of annoying, the only song I keep hearing in my head these days, because they keep playing it, is Avril Lavigne singing, "Hey! Hey! You! You! I don't like your girlfriend!" Maybe a dose of Chipmunkery would help that. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:10:46 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: stupid question re iPod NJC I'd be happy with a Joni tribute from Wing: http://cdbaby.com/cd/wingsounds1 She's in New Zealand...Hell, please track her down and tell that her public is clamoring for her Joni tribute. Back to the Chipmunks - my Dad used to have a reel-to-reel tape recorder that recorded at all different speeds, and he taped a bunch of Christmas instrumentals at a slow speed, with all of us crazies singing along at the slow speed, then he played it back at the proper speed so that the music sounded right but our voices had been given the 'chipmunk' treatment. We got a big laugh out of it, and I'm sure it would be even easier to do that with today's available technology to make a Chipmunk's Joni tribute. 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Obviously there's a subjective element here but in principle there's twice as much musical information, right? 2. I notice that Dave Blackburn's lossless versions of Miles of Aisles are rated at 800 kbps, i.e. > 4 times as 'good' as 192 kbps, but then the format is different and maybe the numbers are incompatible. (is 100 degrees F twice as hot as 50 degrees?) Is there a point above which it is pointless to use because it doesn't improve quality, or any quality improvement is not (or cannot be) noticed in most hi-fi set ups or cheap earphones? There is of course a trade off between quality and quantity and the more 256 kbps tracks you rip to the iPod the less space you have available. I suspect this depends on what system you use to listen to music. As I write, I am listening to Leonard Cohen's Ten New Songs (in AAC audio file format at 128kbps) and it sounds wonderful through the laptop running to Wharfedale Diamond speakers. I recently experimented with John Coltrane's Fearless Leader set at 320 and some at 256 and I notice very little, if any difference. Finally, there is Dave Blackburn's Apple Lossless version of Hejira which averages around 700 (varies with tracks). They all sound good to me. I guess that it is impossible to 'improve' over the original version by choosing a higher bit rate setting, so what is the 'equivalent' (approx) of a CD? In other words, what setting would be as close to the original CD as possible? Sorry if this is both over-technical and ill-informed at the same time. mike in bcn np Stranger - Luminescent Orchestrii ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:26:36 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Subject: RE: Covers - now njc about the 4ad record label Bob Muller and Victor asked the following questions: >>And how can you talk about 4AD and not mention The Red House Painters?<< >>And how can you talk about 4AD and not mention Nuri?<< And I ask, How can you talk about 'this mortal coil' without talking of Big Walt, one of tmc's biggest fans on this list? Anyone heard from him recently? I like their 'blood' album very much (great songs, great singers) but was not so impressed by filigree and shadow. I'll check out the Red House Painters as Muller never let me down yet with a recommendation. Have a great weekend, it's already started here in Europe, whoo hoo. mike in bcn np Freilach/Rabbi in Palestine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:51:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Subject: RE: Covers - now njc about the 4ad record label Pressure's on...OK, start with either: 1. Ocean Beach 2. Songs For A Blue Guitar 3. Old Ramon You too, my friend, tilt a pint for me. I've got the Blue Moons chillin' in the fridge but it'll be late before I can get to them - when I do I'll toast to you with the first one. Bob NP: America, "Head & Heart" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Similar Joni phrasing yet she brought her own haunting quality to it. what a daunting taks to tackle that particular tune. anyone else have any feedback? also although this is not e-bay did some greedy fan ever grab up one too many copies of Joni's "Voices" Mendel's art book on her show that they want to sell to someone on disability who had to sell his when he was broke or even trade for a mint condition poster of the show with some extra scheckles thrown in?? just asking. randy j ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:55:50 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Mendeld's Gallery book "Joni Mitchell Voices" It's very pretty - it's also 13 years old, originally released on her EP 'Good Enough' in 1994. That's the only thing that ticks me off about the Tribute - too many tracks that are old news. If they were truly greedy, don't you think they would have already ebay'ed it/them for the $300+ that you can get for it? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:02:30 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Mendeld's Gallery book "Joni Mitchell Voices" On Apr 20, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > > It's very pretty - it's also 13 years old, originally released on > her EP > 'Good Enough' in 1994. That's the only thing that ticks me off > about the > Tribute - too many tracks that are old news. I was gonna say! I remember that song from 1994. I was working at a music store then and would always get a bunch of cd's to take home every now and then. One of them was a cd single from that album and one of the tracks was "Blue". I can't believe they're actually using that on this tribute album coming out in 2007. They might as well get Tom Rush and Judy Collins to contribute a couple of tracks. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:23:30 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Catherine's Chipmunks, CDs and Old Music (njc) Catherine dear, you've brought up the Chipmunks once or twice.... ;-) Chipmunkian slip?? What have you been listening to of theirs? Actually I think so many of us remember them well, and I know I got the Christmas album when I was a really young kid. "Christmas, Christmas, don't be late...." You may already know this, but David Seville supplied the voices for all three Chipmunks, but some people may not know that before the Chipmunks, David Seville released a hit single under his own name, which many of you may remember called, "Witch Doctor." (Ooh ee ooh ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang). But I believe the Chipmunks came soon after during the same year. I love the old, obscure stuff as well. I don't know if ANYONE has ever heard of Rita Pavone, but she made a little splash in the early '60s. Her hit song was called "Big Deal." She didn't speak English so she sang phonetically. She was from Italy, and even played the part of Dennis the Menace on an Italian television show. She had two American released albums, "The Teenage International Sensation" and "Small Wonder." I don't think they'll make it to CD in the near future, but at least I was able to snag a sealed copy of the "Small Wonder" vinyl, which is cool, because I don't think it sold as well as the first, so there are most likely fewer out there.. And CDs were just made for certain artists. I love vinyl, but there is nothing like listening to Nyro's "New York Tendaberry" on CD. Pure heaven, even with the analog. So many pauses and light notes without a pop. In Laura's journey on that album, the pops were just too distracting. But I love a full sounding vinyl, and certain 78s I have from the 50s have a great sound to them too. Anyway, I love the old stuff. There is still at lot to discover in that old music! And its fun! Best, Gary Z. Detroit NP: Cody Jameson (aka Gloria Loring) Brooklyn Catherine McKay wrote: >--- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > > >>>hot dogs)> >> >>This applies in uber-fashion to lots of CD's that >>have a Joni cover on >>them. It is SOOOOOOOOOOO wonderful to be able to >>spend $1 and get the >>track I want as opposed to buying the entire CD for >>$15 or so and then >>having to dispose of it. >> >> > >Muller, you'already have at least a year's worth of >Joni covers accumulated, so I think it does pay to be >patient! > >I'd agree that if there were only one or two songs I >wanted, I might go with I-tunes or similar. > >Imagine an entire CD's worth of Joni covers... by the >Chipmunks! > >And speaking of annoying, the only song I keep hearing >in my head these days, because they keep playing it, >is Avril Lavigne singing, "Hey! Hey! You! You! I don't >like your girlfriend!" > >Maybe a dose of Chipmunkery would help that. > > >Catherine >Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:41:26 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Shootings >> The above won't solve everything, but it would've prevented Cho from at >> least buying legal guns. > I don't think so. He was born in South Korea, but he was a US citizen. My bad. I heard on initial reports that he was a resident alien. I'm already tired of hearing about the shootings, so I didn't bother to check the accuracy of his status. Yes, I said I'm already tired of hearing about the shootings. I was tired of it about 5 minutes after I first heard about them, because the first thing that occurred to me was "how many die in Iraq everyday and no one really gives a shit?" Actually, it's all equally horrific and sad, but until anyone actually does something to stop the insanity, it's just another TV show. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:21:18 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: stupid question re iPod NJC hi mike wrote > 1. is the kbps value arithmetical? i.e. is a song ripped at 256 'twice' > the > quality of the same song ripped at 128? By 'twice' I mean is it > significantly > better to listen to? Obviously there's a subjective element here but in > principle there's twice as much musical information, right? > 2. I notice that Dave Blackburn's lossless versions of Miles of Aisles are > rated at 800 kbps, i.e. > 4 times as 'good' as 192 kbps, but then the > format > is different and maybe the numbers are incompatible. (is 100 degrees F > twice > as hot as 50 degrees?) Is there a point above which it is pointless to use > because it doesn't improve quality, or any quality improvement is not (or > cannot be) noticed in most hi-fi set ups or cheap earphones? There is of > course a trade off between quality and quantity and the more 256 kbps > tracks > you rip to the iPod the less space you have available. > I suspect this depends on what system you use to listen to music. As I > write, > I am listening to Leonard Cohen's Ten New Songs (in AAC audio file format > at > 128kbps) and it sounds wonderful through the laptop running to Wharfedale > Diamond speakers. I recently experimented with John Coltrane's Fearless > Leader > set at 320 and some at 256 and I notice very little, if any difference. > Finally, there is Dave Blackburn's Apple Lossless version of Hejira which > averages around 700 (varies with tracks). They all sound good to me. I > guess > that it is impossible to 'improve' over the original version by choosing a > higher bit rate setting, so what is the 'equivalent' (approx) of a CD? In > other words, what setting would be as close to the original CD as > possible? the law of diminishing returns definitely applies to music compression. 256 has twice the info, but not twice the sound quality. i think 128 is probably still the best combination of space & quality for most systems - as you say, this is mostly due to the quality loss not really being noticable on most ipod/computer type set ups. when you upgrade the system then the quality becomes noticable. however, beware of using a lower rate initially because you cant notice the difference - if you upgrade your system later you might just find yourself having to re-rip at a higher rate. with my current setup i find that 192 seems to be the best, giving a noticable improvement on 128, without a noticable improvement if i compare to 256. i ripped everything at 128............ to get as close to original as possible you could either import as a wav file, which is basically just a straight, uncompressed copy of a cd, or you could use any one of the lossless compression formats available which are also straight copies, compressed to a lesser degree, without losing any information at all. ron np - a case of you ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:36:03 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: NJC Shootings hi >>>>lori wrote >>> The above won't solve everything, but it would've prevented Cho from at >>> least buying legal guns. >>>someone replied >> I don't think so. He was born in South Korea, but he was a US citizen. > >>>lori replied >>>>>I'm already tired of hearing about the shootings, >>>>>...........................................Yes, I said I'm already >>>>>tired of hearing about the shootings. I was tired of it about 5 >>>>>minutes after I first heard about them, because the first thing that >>>>>occurred to me was "how many die in Iraq everyday and no one really >>>>>gives a shit?" Actually, it's all equally horrific and sad, but until >>>>>anyone actually does something to stop the insanity, it's just another >>>>>TV show. i watched some coverage of it recently, also about five minutes was as much as i could take. it was all about how the shooter sent video to the news networks, & the networks were trying to justify broadcasting it. i have to wonder, if people are looking for the wrong solution in gun control? (for the record - i think the us gun laws are ludicrous). most of these guys could just utilise other weapons, (such as home made bombs). so how about if these incidents got no publicity? seems to me that one of the primary motivations is the notoriety - these guys just want to create a stir, even if they wont be around to see it. ron np - circle game ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:51:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Shootings Well sure, I'm with you on that. There was a great letter to the editor this AM, from a lady that I know, her daughter goes to VT but was off-campus that day, and her point, and it's a good one, is that we've heard all about the nutjob, but nothing of the people who lost their lives. They should be the ones being remembered, not the shooter. Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Large World Turning" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: NJC Shootings I too was totally tuned out to this shooting spree case. The students didn't even seem too phased. I even wanted to doubt the whole story for awhile and chalk up another one for HollywooDC. I even thought that maybe it was a drama club production from that university. Like the Anna Nicole case. What the hell?!? Feel bad for her poor son and then for her after he was overdosed and now what? And now what with all of these other weird newstories? The grand stumuli of the exhausted ones. I'm sure CNN's and all those mainstream media outlets are hurting with the ratings because nothing, no longer, is even sacred. Shit! . --- ron wrote: > hi > > >>>>lori wrote > >>> The above won't solve everything, but it > would've prevented Cho from at > >>> least buying legal guns. > > >>>someone replied > >> I don't think so. He was born in South Korea, but > he was a US citizen. > > > > >>>lori replied > >>>>>I'm already tired of hearing about the > shootings, > >>>>>...........................................Yes, > I said I'm already > >>>>>tired of hearing about the shootings. I was > tired of it about 5 > >>>>>minutes after I first heard about them, because > the first thing that > >>>>>occurred to me was "how many die in Iraq > everyday and no one really > >>>>>gives a shit?" Actually, it's all equally > horrific and sad, but until > >>>>>anyone actually does something to stop the > insanity, it's just another > >>>>>TV show. > > > i watched some coverage of it recently, also about > five minutes was as much > as i could take. it was all about how the shooter > sent video to the news > networks, & the networks were trying to justify > broadcasting it. i have to > wonder, if people are looking for the wrong solution > in gun control? (for > the record - i think the us gun laws are ludicrous). > most of these guys > could just utilise other weapons, (such as home made > bombs). so how about if > these incidents got no publicity? seems to me that > one of the primary > motivations is the notoriety - these guys just want > to create a stir, even > if they wont be around to see it. > > > ron > np - circle game > Dreaming, dancing with blacktar babies, Jeannie jjj Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #161 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------