From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #146 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 8 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 146 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Breaking through the delurk-phase [missblux@googlemail.com] SJC Lennon and Joni [missblux@googlemail.com] Joni & Bonnie Trees, fly in a room [xlsecurity02 ] Re: Joni's taste in books ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni's taste in books ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: SJC Lennon and Joni [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Joni's taste in books [Michael Flaherty ] RE: A fly on Joni's wall ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE : Roxana Amed singing Amelia live - now Pedro Aznar NJC ["Sherelle Smi] RE: sjc? Roundabout to Joni Fest ["Sherelle Smith" ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lennon=20and=20angst?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?] Patti's mum, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: SJC Lennon and Joni [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: SJC Lennon and Joni [Michael Flaherty ] re: a fly on joni's wall [Michael Flaherty ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Patti=27s=20mum=2C=20njc?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?lennon=20njc?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" ] Re: SJC Lennon and Joni ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Patti's mum, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: SJC Lennon and Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: SJC Lennon and Joni [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Joni's taste in books ["AJ" ] Re: Patti's mum, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Joni=27s=20taste=20in=20books?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?L] oddmund + covers (njc?) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] northeast jonifest 2007 memories ["patrick leader" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:53:33 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Breaking through the delurk-phase I think that's how it works...! In fact... Bn On 4/7/07, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > > My version: I think it's Joni with a head full of great ideas, including > the notion that it is her destiny to be an artist. There's no room for > doubts if you are fulfilling your desitny, eh? > > Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 13:11:21 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: SJC Lennon and Joni Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:12:44 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni and John Lennon . I do think Joni and John are very similar as artists, more so even than Joni and Dylan, because of the way they could seamlessly wed lyrics and music. John's language was usually more direct, less flowery. They both took active control of producing their records. They were both artists before getting into music, and continued to do artwork throughout their lives. . RR - ------------------ Joni said in that BBC interview that when she wrote BSN she felt she was only scratching the surface of what she was trying to describe but others found it really profound. I loved the Beatles but was never really into John Lennon, and I have to say that one thing that really puts me off any attempts at getting into him is the incredible shallowness of 'Imagine', combined with the way people hallow it. Joni scratches the surface of something deep in BSN, Lennon veils things with shiny words. To compare that song to anything Joni has ever written is an abomination, if you ask me. I had to mention it because 'Imagine' gets mentioned here quite often, and it abhors me every time! And I am not in a bad mood at all today, mind you. Bene (Sun shining, and all the college gardens abound with daffodils and crocuses and you name it) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:06:54 +0200 (CEST) From: xlsecurity02 Subject: Joni & Bonnie Trees, fly in a room Hi The 2 Bonnie shows will be going to Carol Green in the UK. No takers yet for the Joni & James Taylor at RAH By a funny coincidence, the Bonnie at Philly Folk Festival 70-72 is being seeded today for the 1st time on dimeadozen. As far as being a fly, i agree the "Hejira" trip would be great. I'll settle for when she wrote Woodstock (wasn't she in a lonely motel room?) while watching it on TV that night. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 06:16:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? I suppose on one level it can't be explained, but I've also read lots of scientific data connecting music/creativity and brain activity. I mean, it's no small coincidence that all of the orchestra and band people from my high school were the ones that got the big SAT scores and scholarships. Exercising that portion of the brain opens it up to other discoveries and revelations as well. Plus, I think that on another level when you're creating, it forces you to think in terms of originality, to create something that no one else has ever done. And in so doing, self-discovery is an eventual consequence. There's also lots of research that states that one of the best way to fight off alzheimers in old age is to take up an instrument you don't know - it's like exercise for the brain. The human brain is a fascinating and fragile thing - we still don't understand a lot of it. Bob NP: The Soundalikes, "Big Yellow Taxi" - --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:45:14 +0300 From: "The Boho Dance" Subject: Re: Need some Scandinavian language help. Hi, the language is Estonian. Pretty similar with Finnish, even though they belong to a two different language family. Pilved means 'Clouds'. I think the starting line means "snow and dream ahead of my eyes soft as doves high above white sheeps and blue waters this is how I've seen the clouds" but someone native could translate it better. Both Sides Now is called "Pilved" and the first verse goes like this: > > "Lund ja und mu silme ees, > sulgpehmeid losse korgustes > ja valgeid lambaid sinivees > nii pilvi nainud ma" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:17:51 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Wow! Thanks so much for that Bob! Amazing! Oh! Hanging my head in shame and self-loathing...ok, done! Anita and Donna's performances sound like they were very memorable. I love how the JMDL has so much expression of creativity! It changed my life, that's for sure! Love, Sherelle >From: Bob Muller >ask which one "I Think I Understand" is on...embarrasing!> > > Tut tut tut, Sherelle - hang your head in shame. OK, done? It's on >Clouds - one of my favorite Joni songs because it's so uplifting to me >(Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty). Here's the Tolkien reference >from the JM glossary: > > http://jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=66 > > Of course, I can't think of this song without thinking of the private >performance I was given by Anita in France, and Donna turned in a fine >performance of it as well last weekend at the Full Moon. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "Serpentine" > > > >--------------------------------- >TV dinner still cooling? >Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:18:41 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Wow! Thanks so much for that Bob! Amazing! Oh! Hanging my head in shame and self-loathing...ok, done! Anita and Donna's performances sound like they were very memorable. I love how the JMDL has so much expression of creativity! It changed my life, that's for sure! Love, Sherelle >From: Bob Muller >ask which one "I Think I Understand" is on...embarrasing!> > > Tut tut tut, Sherelle - hang your head in shame. OK, done? It's on >Clouds - one of my favorite Joni songs because it's so uplifting to me >(Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty). Here's the Tolkien reference >from the JM glossary: > > http://jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=66 > > Of course, I can't think of this song without thinking of the private >performance I was given by Anita in France, and Donna turned in a fine >performance of it as well last weekend at the Full Moon. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "Serpentine" > > > >--------------------------------- >TV dinner still cooling? >Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:20:54 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Thanks Monika! I love all of the characters because each of them play such an important role but I'd have to agree with you that Gandalf would be my favorite followed by Aragon (sp?) I can relate to his struggle to become the person he was meant to be. He did not want to do it. Sherelle >From: Motitan@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:32:05 EDT > >Her first publishing company was Gandalf Publishing >----------------------------------------- >My favorite character from LOTR is Gandalf. If he were real, I'd have >many, >many questions for him....ones he'd be able to answer! >-Monika > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 07:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: SJC Lennon and Joni missblux@googlemail.com wrote: >>>>>I loved the Beatles but was never really into John Lennon, and I have to say that one thing that really puts me off any attempts at getting into him is the incredible shallowness of 'Imagine', combined with the way people hallow it. Joni scratches the surface of something deep in BSN, Lennon veils things with shiny words. I don't want to over-simplify what your saying, but if your distaste for Lennon is over one song, or any of his biggest hits, keep in mind that a lot of people do that with Joni, be it BSN, CG, or BYT. Have you ever heard Lennon's Plastic Ono Band album (the one that starts with "Mother")? It's one of my alltime favorites, and if you want to hear Lennon get beneath the surface and not use shiny words, that album will do it. Of course, it might just be that Lennon's not your thing--I certainly don't like his music nearly as much as Joni's--but at least you'd see another side of him. I actually think Lennon would somewhat agree with you on "Imagine". In fact, POB was Lennon's first album of new songs after the break up. Compared to George and Paul's albums it sold poorly, so he wrote "Imagine", which he called "Plastic Ono Band sugar coated for public consumtion". ;) Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 07:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books From: "LESLI A WATTS" > > <<< Do people my age remember when we'd all walk around with siddartha and > Steppenwolf tucked under our arms? >>> Yes, much wisdom in that book-and remember-? it cost $3.33? I would add "Stranger In A Strange Land" to the list, and Kurt Vonnegut, and Richard Bratigan. And 1984, Brave New World, Dune, Catch 22, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Steal This Book, The Whole Earth Catalog, Zap Comics.... RR OK, so I definetly have more in common with more people here in music than in literature, including Joni. ;-) Michael Flaherty PS I do love Yeats. - --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:46:50 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: A fly on Joni's wall Great question David! I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall to see where she got her inspiration to create Court and Spark. This album speaks to my heart about love more than any other. Though she has so many other great songs, this album helped me get through a very tumultous time of my life. I was in a relationship of unrequited love and had just come to L.A. at seventeen. Her songs like "Car on the Hill" really spoke to me because I was right there in L.A. and could imagine her living in a stucco house in the Hollywood Hills waiting for her "sugar to show..." The experience was so immediate because it was my introduction to her music and I'd never had any other singer/songwriter affect me so personally and emotionally about things in my own life. Sherelle From: David Sapp If you could have been a fly on Joni's wall at any point in her career what would you choose? I would have liked to have been a fly in the car that Joni drove solo from New York to LA along the Gulf route, precariously without a license but interesting nonetheless. It was during this solo flight that much of Hejira was written... ... signing off for now, Peace, David _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:56:04 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE : Roxana Amed singing Amelia live - now Pedro Aznar NJC Hi Joseph, I have never heard of either Roxana Amed or Pedro Aznar but now I feel so thankful that someone introduced me to both of them! Joseph I was just blown away by Pedro's playing on "Hotel Room"...my goodness! I was also blown away by Roxana's vocals on same said song! Pat Metheny knows good talent by having him do the vocals on one of his songs! Excellent! I'm hooked on both of them. Roxana has a My Space site which I promptly located and asked to become her friend. I wish Pedro did but he doesn't at this time. I'll keep looking for him though! Amazing! And my friend, I am speechless that you have played my music on your radio station. You have always given me hope when I had none for myself. You have always been there for me and I want to take a moment and let the world know how very, very, very special you are. I don't know how you hide those angel wings under your clothes! You will always be my heart my dear friend Joseph! Love, Sherelle Joseph wrote: Thanks for the clip, Bob. I don't know Roxana Amed but do I know Pedro Aznar! The first time I heard of him was because he provided the voice/vocal to Pat Metheny's "Letter From HOme" in 1989 and the subsequent "Live in Europe" concert CD which chronicled the "Letter From Home" tour. Pedro Aznar sang/vocalized the mindlblowingly beautiful "Dream of the Return" and "Vidala" as well as the riotously funky "Have You Heard", "Beat 70","5-5-7" and "Slip Away". And he is very good that until now after several years I find myself humming to the songs he sang in Pat Metheny's album. I play a lot of Pedro Aznar, Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays on the radio during my show (and played all of Sherelle Cary Smith's songs in her album since I began in Sepetmebr but that's a different story altogether). So seeing Pedro play bass and sing at the same time brought back fond memories (as well as the Philippine coup d'etat that happened in that same period when I was listening to Pat Metheny's album continuously). Joseph in chilly Chapel Hill np: Kenny Young and the Eggplants - "Plants on Film" P.S. My favorite among artists who covered Joni is still Itxaso! _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:03:07 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: sjc? Roundabout to Joni Fest Dear Patti, First of all, I am so happy and thankful that your Mom is doing better. (Didn't I tell you? Didn't I tell you?) I will continue to keep her in my heart for her continued recovery. I went nuts when I saw you posted lyrics to "Roundabout"! I LOVE THAT SONG!!!! If I hear it on the radio, I almost have to pull over! Waaah! So glad you like it too and that you think it's Joni-esque! I can feel it! I can feel it! Love, Sherelle Patti wrote: Dear Ones: I've been kinda watching it from the wings this week, just skimming what digests I can and enjoying each and every fest report (I will go back and read them in greater depth, when good fortune allows), because my heart and mind were somewhere else. I was spiritually with Joni and her new grief, as we almost lost my mom this week. She was in ICU....long scary story, but she is recovering now, and I didn't have to take this flight tonight. I am greatly relieved and ready to throw some lightness on these things now and laugh it all away. Well, not really laugh, because it was so serious, but you know what I mean. Musik Meister Muller wrote, in "that Post about the Fest, Part I": "Friday AM Bob & I set out and after a couple of rush hour traffic jams we hit the open road and it was really an easy drive and a scenic one as well. For our soundtrack we were playing the new Amy Winehouse and Bob is right - it's a killer of a CD. (Tried to make me go to rehab...I said no, no, no....) Of course, the ONLY time I needed Bob to help with navigation was when Patti P called and he totally dropped the ball with helping me off the crazy roundabout. But we quickly resolved that and by lunchtime we were at the Full Moon." Yikes! I'm sorry I called back at that critical juncture. But I had fun sitting in the back seat with you guys, singing a Joni song, side by side. And hey, at least you didn't drive it into a ditch, you son of a b@#ch! (ONLY KIDDING!) But then again, YES! Roundabout I'll be the roundabout the words will make you out and out you spend the day your way. Call it morning driving through the sound and in and out the valley in and around the lane mountains come out of the sky and they stand there one mile over we'll be there and we'll see you ten true summers we'll be back and laughing too twenty-four before my love you'll see I'll be there with you. The music dance and sing they make the children really ring I spend the day your your way. Call it... I will remember you your silhouette will charge the view of distant atmosphere. Call it... Along the drifting cloud the eagle searching down on the land I'll be the roundabout the words will make you out and out catching the swirling wind the sailor sees the rim of the land I'll be the roundabout... The eagles dancing wings create as weather spins out of hand I'll be the roundabout... go closer hold the land feel partly no more than grains of sand I'll be the roundabout... We stand so lose all time a thousand answers by in your hand I'll be the roundabout... next to your deeper fears we stand surrounded by a million years I'll be the roundabout... That song sounds so Joni-ish, and Joni-fest-ish, doesn't it? But don't mind JMOCDed me. I see something of Joni in everything just at this -- and every - - -- moment of the world! I'm so glad you all had such a wonderful time. You went looking for a party, looking to raise JEEEEEEsus up from the dead, and it looks like you DID! Happy Easter (or whatever you celebrate)! Love & Peace, Patti P. P.S. Bob and Oddmund and Bene and Jerry et al: I sent those "it sure ain't French" lyrics to my friend who runs our Critical Languages Program (CRLP, for you Catherine) which includes all the LCTs (Less Commonly Taught languages). She will know. She knows the answer. (I don't know.) _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:20:27 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: RE : Roxana Amed singing Amelia live - now Pedro Aznar NJC BEAUTIFUL! thanks for the link Bob Happy Easter my Joni Amigos rosie in nj NP: Crossroads EC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:20:22 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? Hi Monika, (boy am I de-lurk mode today!) This is a great question! I have to tell you that music plays a gargantuan role in my life and completes me in a way I could have never fathomed...and it re-started right here about ten years ago. We were doing something called "A Tape of You" and everyone was invited to make a musical contribution. I had sung professionally in years past but had some very traumatic events happen which made me drop out of music entirely. I was struggling with the call of music in my heart when the JMDL came up with this idea. Well, I was broke as fish and didn't even have a tape recorder to record myself. So a dear Joni person who is no longer on this list, Julie Z. Webb who lived nearby in Pittsburgh offered to mail me her tape player and borrow it so that I could make a contribution. I remember catching the flu right beforehand and struggling to sing to make the deadline for the tape...but I did it and I made the cut. That one event changed my entire life and I owe to the people right here on this list. I started recording again a few years later and I haven't stopped my quest to continue. That experience helped me to understand myself as a person and who I was truly meant to be. Your thoughts about music playing a greater role in personal gain are right on target. I am a living witness to it. I had to come to a point where I had to stand up for myself and say, "I am a singer/songwriter". Before that, it was something I kept to myself secretly and privately and with a bit of guilt and shame to go along with the whole thing. It's been implied to me that music is a childhood fantasy that I need to grow up about. I think that is a huge attitude towards the Arts and creativity. You have to really stand up for yourself and be counted if you truly want to pursue this life in a way other than an educator. Great question Monika! By the way, what is your My Space URL? Monika wrote: Given that there is alot of talent on this list, I figured I would bring this up here. I had posted this on my My Space blog but fear I won't get any real response from it. What can I say, I'm feeling philosophical and that in itself usually scares people away. However, I have been thinking about music and creativity and wondering if it may be a step towards tapping into enlightenment of some sorts or of self knowledge or happiness or something special you just can't explain....(not achieving it fully....but maybe giving you a head start or something....my apologies if I'm not making any sense...) For all you fellow musicians and people in other creative fields, do you find this to be true? I mean, I think a step to enlightenment or happiness or satisfaction (whatever you want to call it) is knowing yourself. Once you know yourself, you can seek the world out. This being said, I think music plays a greater role in personal gain than anyone could ever imagine. I think music unlocks certain parts of yourself that would otherwise be unknown (all the creative arts for that matter). Do you think that's true? Does music, art, writing, sculpting, anything creative bring out something hidden within yourself? Now we're almost talking Psychology here.....what do you think? But if you do think it brings out something in yourself, what if that something is very, very dark? Is it getting out your angels as well as devils (Joni made some mention of ridding your angels and devils)? Is that a healthy notion? Is it a way of purging? Opinions welcome! - - -Monika, they call me the seeker _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:36:33 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? Hi Monika, (boy am I de-lurk mode today!) - ------------------------------------------------------ That's a good thing! I enjoy your comments! My MySpace url is as follows: _http://www.myspace.com/onemanband1973_ (http://www.myspace.com/onemanband1973) I recently put up pictures in the "influences" section to make my page all the more "pretty." I think you'll notice a certain blonde singer we all know in the influences. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:41:57 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Return-path: From: Motitan@aol.com Full-name: Motitan Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:27:09 EDT Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books... To: juhiduh@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Hey, I was not around then, but Siddhartha is my favorite book of all time. Changed my life. Really. - ----------------------------- That's a wonderful book. - -Mon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:18:32 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: re: a fly on joni's wall I'd be a fly on the wall when she was sunning herself at Geffen's pool, nude. heh heh Sorry to be vulgar on Easter, ya'll. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when she painting in the late afternoon. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:35:19 -0700 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lennon=20and=20angst?= - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 07:26:22 -0700 From: Michael Flaherty To: , guitarzan@hughes.net, Joni LIST Subject: Re: SJC Lennon and Joni >missblux@googlemail.com wrote: >>>>>I loved the Beatles but was never really into John Lennon, and I have >to say that one thing that really puts me off any attempts at getting >into him is the incredible shallowness of 'Imagine', combined with the >way people hallow it. Joni scratches the surface of something deep in >BSN, Lennon veils things with shiny words. > > > I don't want to over-simplify what your saying, but if your distaste for Lennon is over one song, or any of his biggest hits, keep in mind that a lot of people do that with Joni, be it BSN, CG, or BYT. > > Have you ever heard Lennon's Plastic Ono Band album (the one that starts with "Mother")? It's one of my alltime favorites, and if you want to hear Lennon get beneath the surface and not use shiny words, that album will do it. Of course, it might just be that Lennon's not your thing--I certainly don't like his music nearly as much as Joni's--but at least you'd see another side of him. working class hero was on that album and became one of my mantras, still is. some and i am one lose sight of their destiny. talk about angst. love lesli Working Class Hero John Lennon As soon as you're born they make you feel small By giving you no time instead of it all Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be They hurt you at home and they hit you at school They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years Then they expect you to pick a career When you can't really function you're so full of fear A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be If you want to be a hero well just follow me If you want to be a hero well just follow me > > I actually think Lennon would somewhat agree with you on "Imagine". In fact, POB was Lennon's first album of new songs after the break up. Compared to George and Paul's albums it sold poorly, so he wrote "Imagine", which he called "Plastic Ono Band sugar coated for public consumtion". ;) > > Michael Flaherty > > > > > >--------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:30:55 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Patti's mum, njc Patti, I'm glad she doing better. We've had several close calls with my parents too. Thank God for close calls, though. Eventually, they'll stop coming. (No resurections for mortals.) Now, my sister's getting chemo therapy for breast cancer. They found "a particle of cancer" in a lymph node. I'll pray for your family if you pray for mine. (It's a rich exchange...) Jim L. np: Over the Rhine's FILMS FOR RADIO cd. I think this CD let them buy the big house in the country. Boy, was it popular in Cincinnati. Patti said, >we almost lost my mom this week. She was in ICU....long scary story, but she is recovering now, and I didn't have to take this flight tonight. I am greatly relieved and ready to throw some lightness on these things now and laugh it all away. Well, not really laugh, because it was so serious, but you know what I mean.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:44:25 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: SJC Lennon and Joni Hi Michael, I know, I am being very unfair to him, and I know that it is not for nothing that people love him. The only album I ever listened to many times was Imagine, I'll look out for other stuff next time! I guess I am like Joni: "I don't make good sound bite...!" -- but I make them anyway ;-) I sometimes think that not being a musician there are certain kinds of greatness that I just can't appreciate - some artists are hailed as geniuses but I just don't get it. Bene On 4/8/07, Michael Flaherty wrote: > missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > >>>>>I loved the Beatles but was never really into John Lennon, and I have > to say that one thing that really puts me off any attempts at getting > into him is the incredible shallowness of 'Imagine', combined with the > way people hallow it. Joni scratches the surface of something deep in > BSN, Lennon veils things with shiny words. > > > I don't want to over-simplify what your saying, but if your distaste for > Lennon is over one song, or any of his biggest hits, keep in mind that a lot > of people do that with Joni, be it BSN, CG, or BYT. > > Have you ever heard Lennon's Plastic Ono Band album (the one that starts > with "Mother")? It's one of my alltime favorites, and if you want to hear > Lennon get beneath the surface and not use shiny words, that album will do > it. Of course, it might just be that Lennon's not your thing--I certainly > don't like his music nearly as much as Joni's--but at least you'd see > another side of him. > > I actually think Lennon would somewhat agree with you on "Imagine". In fact, > POB was Lennon's first album of new songs after the break up. Compared to > George and Paul's albums it sold poorly, so he wrote "Imagine", which he > called "Plastic Ono Band sugar coated for public consumtion". ;) > > Michael Flaherty > > > > > ________________________________ > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:50:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: SJC Lennon and Joni missblux@googlemail.com wrote: >>>>I sometimes think that not being a musician there are certain kinds of greatness that I just can't appreciate - some artists are hailed as geniuses but I just don't get it. Well, and it's not like Lennon has ever suffered from lack of praise, lol! But yeah, see if your library or a friend has POB. I'd love to hear what you think of it. It's arguably his Blue. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:53:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: re: a fly on joni's wall Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: her career what would you choose?> >>>>I'd be a fly on the wall when she was sunning herself at Geffen's pool, nude. heh heh Sorry to be vulgar on Easter, ya'll. I'm shocked, Jim! SHOCKED I SAY! (pssst. do you think there's room for two flies?) ;-) Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:29:01 -0700 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Patti=27s=20mum=2C=20njc?= i'm sorry to hear these stories. remember we're all behind you. lesli - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:30:55 -0700 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" To: Subject: Patti's mum, njc >Patti, >I'm glad she doing better. We've had several close calls with my parents too. >Thank God for close calls, though. Eventually, they'll stop coming. (No >resurections for mortals.) > >Now, my sister's getting chemo therapy for breast cancer. They found "a >particle of cancer" in a lymph node. I'll pray for your family if you pray >for mine. (It's a rich exchange...) > >Jim L. >np: Over the Rhine's FILMS FOR RADIO cd. I think this CD let them buy the big >house in the country. Boy, was it popular in Cincinnati. > >Patti said, >>we almost lost my mom this week. She was in ICU....long scary story, but >she is recovering now, and I didn't have to take this flight tonight. I am >greatly relieved and ready to throw some lightness on these things now and >laugh it all away. Well, not really laugh, because it was so serious, but you >know what I mean.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:32:47 -0700 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?lennon=20njc?= working class hero was on that album and became one of my mantras, still is. some and i am one lose sight of their destiny. talk about angst. sorry to sound pissy and forget njc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 18:32:30 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? Thanks so much Monika! I'll check it out! I enjoy your comments as well! >From: Motitan@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:36:33 EDT > >Hi Monika, (boy am I de-lurk mode today!) >------------------------------------------------------ >That's a good thing! I enjoy your comments! > >My MySpace url is as follows: >_http://www.myspace.com/onemanband1973_ >(http://www.myspace.com/onemanband1973) >I recently put up pictures in the "influences" section to make my page all >the more "pretty." I think you'll notice a certain blonde singer we all >know >in the influences. >-Monika > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:42:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Need some Scandinavian language help. Thanks for the assistance - I'm impressed at all the helpers on this one. I do intend to post all the Estonian text so that we can see the translations, as well as the recordings themselves. I should be able to get it done today - it's not like there's much else to do with everything closed for Easter & all. I really like to hear Joni's songs in other languages - it gives me hope in the world being a unified place. Bob NP: Elvis C, "Coal-Train Robberies" - --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:09:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: re: a fly on joni's wall No fly am I - as they only live for one day Rather I'd choose to be one of the canyon ladies hanging at cass's & jamming & hearing all those talented folks- csn for the first time harmonizing! Cros watching everyone marvel at the first time joni played etc Happy easter everyone! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 12:12:18 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: SJC Lennon and Joni > I loved the Beatles but was never really into John Lennon, and I have > to say that one thing that really puts me off any attempts at getting > into him is the incredible shallowness of 'Imagine', combined with the > way people hallow it. Joni scratches the surface of something deep in > BSN, Lennon veils things with shiny words. Getting rid of religion, nationalism, and the infantile belief in a pie-in-the-sky afterworld paradise sounds like a good idea to me. Imagine that. Putting that in a pop song was certainly a revolutionary act. And I would compare that song to BSN, the economy of words, the simplicity of the statement. While Imagine sounds more like a prayer for the world, BSN is kind of a treatise on disillusionment. Both great songs, imo. I certainly agree with Michael about "John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band"-it is every bit as raw (more?) and cathartic as Blue, and, like Blue, stands as a high watermark of creativity and vulnerability. "Love" is one of his most lovely and delicate songs. RR spimh-the film "the us vs john lennon" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:55:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Patti's mum, njc - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Patti, > I'm glad she doing better. We've had several close > calls with my parents too. > Thank God for close calls, though. Eventually, > they'll stop coming. (No > resurections for mortals.) > > Now, my sister's getting chemo therapy for breast > cancer. They found "a > particle of cancer" in a lymph node. I'll pray for > your family if you pray > for mine. (It's a rich exchange...) > I'll go ya one better. I'll pray for your family even if you don't pray for mine. Is that holier-than-thou enough for you? (Right now, they're pretty much OK anyway - tomorrow, who knows?) We're all one big family anyway. If everyone paid it forward, we'd all be doing great. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:49:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SJC Lennon and Joni - --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > I guess I am like Joni: "I don't make good sound > bite...!" -- but I > make them anyway ;-) > > I sometimes think that not being a musician there > are certain kinds of > greatness that I just can't appreciate - some > artists are hailed as > geniuses but I just don't get it. > > Bene > I'm not sure whether being a musician or not being one has that much to do with it. Sometimes you just don't like the "awk!" I can think of lots of artists that people here love and I just don't care for them at all and I'm sure it's the same way with some that I like that others just don't get. I sometimes find it disturbing that I never really did get CSNY and Yes and James Taylor - they just don't do much for me - whereas so many on this list love them. I sometimes think that if other people who like Joni also like this on or that one, then maybe so should I - but, if you don't like the "awk", then you don't like the "awk". Che puoi fare? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:21:37 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: SJC Lennon and Joni certainly agree with Michael about "John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band"-it is every bit as raw (more?) and cathartic as Blue - ----------------------------- Yes, Plastic Ono Band is definitely Lennon's album to check out. At that time he had just underwent some sort of primal scream therapy to help him out in which he'd often end up in tears on the ground. Not sure if that sort of therapy would help, hmmph. Either way, all that anger, all that pain, all these different repressed emotions came to the surface and it shows on the album. He deals with bigger issues--talking about God and more personal ones---like in the song "Mother" (which is one of his most powerful performances if you ask me!). It's probably one of the most honest albums ever (like Blue is yes). Plus, Lennon plays all the guitar on the album. I only mention this because he, like other rhythm guitarists, are so often overlooked in favor of the showy solo this solo that lead guitarists. Rhythm guitar is so important in the melody of any song, it's funny how it often is overshadowed. He does a fine job here though. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:26:09 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books From all I've read here on the list, Mitchell's taste in books is not, well, terribly profound (except that we know she reads Yeats). This wouldn't be terribly unexpected in most musicians, but her lyrics are so incredibly brilliant I'm surprised by the rather limited selections that have been mentioned. I think many geniuses aren't particularly well-read: Philip Guston (the painter) is a notable exception. Most of the other abstract expressionists had little or no knowledge of literature. I am glad though that she--Mitchell--seems utterly without pretension in this regard. But who knows for sure what she reads? I find it hard to believe she hasn't read _a lot_ of Rilke and Proust and Rimbaud. I see their influence in her lyrics. On a completely different subject let me just say, "Beauty parlor blondes with credit card eyes"-- what a brilliant line. I heard it again, for the ten thousandth time, last night during dinner, and heard it anew and was just amazed. My long-suffering husband suddenly snapped out of his (mostly) Mitchell indifference when the MOA version of "Rainy Night House" came on. Another great song. As with so much Mitchell music, I can place myself exactly in time when I hear certain songs. "Rainy Night House": riding across a bridge on the Ohio River in the rain with a rich boyfriend. "Harry's House": a dorm room during the very tumultuous, painful and passionate spring of 1976. In as much as one can be any of those things at 20, lol. awk awk, AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:00:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Patti's mum, njc Well said. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:13:50 -0700 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Joni=27s=20taste=20in=20books?= - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:26:09 -0700 From: "AJ" To: "JMDL" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books >From all I've read here on the list, Mitchell's taste in books >is not, well, terribly profound (except that we know she >reads Yeats). This wouldn't be terribly unexpected in most >musicians, but her lyrics are so incredibly brilliant I'm >surprised by the rather limited selections that have been >mentioned. > >I think many geniuses aren't particularly well-read: Philip >Guston (the painter) is a notable exception. Most of the >other abstract expressionists had little or no knowledge >of literature. > >I am glad though that she--Mitchell--seems utterly without >pretension in this regard. > >But who knows for sure what she reads? I find it hard >to believe she hasn't read _a lot_ of Rilke and Proust and >Rimbaud. I see their influence in her lyrics. > i think she's well read too. maybe she doesn't realize how much she reads. i have a neighbor who has been her close friend since she moved to la and they told me she reads all the time. so there you go. ha! maybe she listens to music too? lesli ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:58:08 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: oddmund + covers (njc?) patti wrote to oddmund: >And I've been thinking about YOU! As the JMDL is my witness! I be her witness. oddmund. . she was thinking about you darlin' hello oddmund. . and hello to the jonifesters . . thank you for your gr r r r r r eat reports. and hello to the great, terrific . . . goovy people on the jmdl. . thinking of you all with love and ice cream castles. . and listening to covers 87 . . thank you Bob! I have got a lot of covers feelings right now.. . the way everybody is spreading the joni through their covers. . covers 87 is very good. lots of gems in all the covers. . celebrating the gift of bob's covers tonight and to all who cover joni. and overall feeling inspired from you all. XOXO Marianne From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Breaking through the delurk-phase, now njc Oddmund wrote: Dear fellow listers and Joni festers "time after some time's you picture me, I'm walking too far ahead..." Even though I haven't written anything for ages I've been following your reports on both fest-issues and more life in general stuff. And I've been thinking about you! ***** And I've been thinking about YOU! As the JMDL is my witness! _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:34:48 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: northeast jonifest 2007 memories hey folks- just grabbing a moment to revisit the glow. i've loved reading other people's memories... in one conversation with les irvin, he explained how to look for posts from before we went to smoe.org, so last week i searched and found the first post i ever sent, on august 13, 1997. i'll probably resend it later this week, but one of the things i found was that one of the first people to respond was sue mcnamara. she's always been a wonderful part of the list, but has only attended jfests rarely, and this was the first year i really got to know her. thank you sue so much, for that beautiful walk under 'a big blue moon' and for playing night ride home on my first jonifest solo performance ever. les ross pulled together crazy cries of love for my other song, and we had a blast on that one, too. thank you les, for your artistry and friendship. yow, i'm so full of love for these folks. nickey and i dared each other into performing, so we got up and did cyndi lauper's 'time after time'. so so fun! meeting mike from barcelona finally, after knowing him through email for so long, was a great gift, and it was particularly nice having a couple more days in new york. any time you want to visit! and who know, i really may make it to barcelona soon. fantastic meeting adriano, he of the wandering luggage, too. other favorite memories: well, just how much do i love ashara? each time we get together, share what's going on, our lives and all, whether in boston, new york or the catskills, we just add to a friendship that is now approaching nine years. actually, this jonifest found me experiencing a lot of things deeper, as life keeps on getting better. les irvin, michelle mercer, mike pritchard and i tried to do the hike up to the 'giant steps' that i've done before, in summer (with lori fye, maggie mcnally and alex, among others) we made it about two thirds of the way, over rocks, ice and snow, and had a lovely time risking our fool necks. i really like that outdoors, nature thing you all talk about; i'll have to try some more of it. musically, i must add my words of praise for laura stanley's 'dani california'. through three nights of music, i still remember jenny goodspeed's first song, which had an insanely catchy chorus that i wanted to learn immediately. i loved the original that suze cameron did. i love you too suze, though we didn't get to talk too much. i had a great talk with one of the jonifest spouses, kirk nurock, who is a jazz musician here in manhattan. bob, i don't think you heard this, but one of the vocalists he works with on a regular basis is theo bleckmann, who was so amazing on wall-to-wall joni. it was a cool connection for me to make. angela (a-pod) was amazing and sweet, and a perfect compliment to the jonifest blend. i particularly loved our pink floyd attempts on sunday evening. and thanks so much for helping me get the mp3 of my performance on my ipod. it's interesting, i have so many self-image problems i didn't think i could stand to listen. but i've done so much work, that when i listen, i can just say "that wasn't bad, and those things i know how to fix" pretty cool! and special love and thanks to kay, for sound and for performance, especially the new song, which lives more in the lower part of your voice. truly beautiful. and kay and jenny on pink moon? sublime. wow, what about brenda, who came for sunday only with her son john louis (is that right?) and two of his friends. such a great addition to that day and evening. i guess that's enough from me for now. if people discuss the really old joni rarities more, i may join in. all the best, patrick np - monadfm.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #146 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------