From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #145 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 8 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 145 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- A fly on Joni's wall [David Sapp ] RE : Roxana Amed singing Amelia live - now Pedro Aznar NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: Joni and John Lennon ["Randy Remote" ] Re: NJC bikini trooper [Catherine McKay ] Music, language, rhythm and the brain njc [Garret ] Re: Joni's taste in books ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Roxana Amed singing Amelia live ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni's taste in books ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Joni and John Lennon ["Snatch N. Grabster" ] Re: Joni's taste in books [Victor Johnson ] Re: Joni's taste in books ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni's taste in books ["Sherelle Smith" ] sjc? Roundabout to Joni Fest ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: A fly on Joni's wall ["Snatch N. Grabster" ] Re: sjc? Roundabout to Joni Fest NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: a fly on joni's wall [Motitan@aol.com] VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? [Motitan@aol.com] njc, Jonifest Dreams --> One Marbled Bowling Ball ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? ["Jill Haas" ] Happy Easter! [Danilo Monno ] Subject: Roxana Amed singing Amelia live ["Kate Bennett" Subject: A fly on Joni's wall If you could have been a fly on Joni's wall at any point in her career what would you choose? I would have liked to have been a fly in the car that Joni drove solo from New York to LA along the Gulf route, precariously without a license but interesting nonetheless. It was during this solo flight that much of Hejira was written... ... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:16:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Roxana Amed singing Amelia live - now Pedro Aznar NJC Thanks for the clip, Bob. I don't know Roxana Amed but do I know Pedro Aznar! The first time I heard of him was because he provided the voice/vocal to Pat Metheny's "Letter From HOme" in 1989 and the subsequent "Live in Europe" concert CD which chronicled the "Letter From Home" tour. Pedro Aznar sang/vocalized the mindlblowingly beautiful "Dream of the Return" and "Vidala" as well as the riotously funky "Have You Heard", "Beat 70","5-5-7" and "Slip Away". And he is very good that until now after several years I find myself humming to the songs he sang in Pat Metheny's album. I play a lot of Pedro Aznar, Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays on the radio during my show (and played all of Sherelle Cary Smith's songs in her album since I began in Sepetmebr but that's a different story altogether). So seeing Pedro play bass and sing at the same time brought back fond memories (as well as the Philippine coup d'etat that happened in that same period when I was listening to Pat Metheny's album continuously). Joseph in chilly Chapel Hill np: Kenny Young and the Eggplants - "Plants on Film" P.S. My favorite among artists who covered Joni is still Itxaso! - --- Bob Muller a icrit : > This might be the best thing I've seen on YouTube - > since we're talking about the beauty of other > languages, take 7 minutes out of your day and enjoy > this gorgeous live Spanish-language duet of Joni's > "Amelia". We have Roxana's studio version in the > collection already (she sings it in both English & > Spanish on her CD) but this duet with guitarist > Pedro Aznar will really move you. > > I forget who I was talking to at the fest when I > commented that I fall in love at least twice a day. > I definitely fell in love watching this clip and > I'll bet you will too, either with her or him. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-SFKsDE5tk > > Bob, thinking it's time to start the Saturday > chores.. > > NP: Roxana & Pedro, "Amelia" > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and > always stay connected to friends. > ___________________________________________________________________________ Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:12:44 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni and John Lennon From: > Ok, I had read (in the Shadows and Light book) that Joni had met John > Lennon > and he asked her why she let other people have her hits? And his > humorous > advice to her in getting hits, was "put some fiddles on it." I find that > very > funny (but then Court & Spark came out and she did find some commercial > success on her own minus fiddles, hehe). Anyway, does anyone know if > Joni ever > ran into John Lennon again? And even more so, what do you think Joni > said to > John's comment? What can you say? Haha. I wonder though. > -Monika > Considering that he was with Harry Nillson, and they were both notorious drunks at the time, and Lennon was 3 sheets to the wind, I doubt she had much to say. She has related this story several times-often with a ridiculous cockney accent. If she had met Lennon again, she probably would have mentioned it. I do think Joni and John are very similar as artists, more so even than Joni and Dylan, because of the way they could seamlessly wed lyrics and music. John's language was usually more direct, less flowery. They both took active control of producing their records. They were both artists before getting into music, and continued to do artwork throughout their lives. Many times, when I've been making a 'mix tape', I've found myself following one with the other-it's a good flow. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:53:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC bikini trooper - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > His crossdressing might bring them closer > together. They can share > clothes. And, look at what it did for Smurf and > Catherine at the fest. > Sharing clothes is the practical side of things. But there's nowt so sexy as a man in a dress! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:17:10 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Music, language, rhythm and the brain njc I was reading some research that a friend of mine is involved with recently and it got me to thinking about this issue which has come up on hte list before, so i did me a little search. i watched the video at this link this morning and thought that if some of you had an hour to kill you might also be interested. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1267626298712917200&q=aniruddh+patel I hope the link works. It stalled a few times on my so-called broadband connection. Excepting that, i found this thought provoking. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:56:38 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Holy Cow! Holy Cow! Joni likes "Lord of the Rings"? Am I reading this right? Please correct me if I'm wrong! If it's true...I feel so close to her emotionally right now! (smile) Sherelle Mark wrote: Yes, Garret, she has spoken about Lord of The Rings and I believe there was a discussion here about the influence of that book on I Think I Understand. Her first publishing company was Gandalf Publishing. That was before SIQUOMB. Mark in Sydney _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:07:14 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Roxana Amed singing Amelia live Holy Cow Chris! This is awesome! Just awesome! I can still feel the emotion of the song even though I can't understand the words. I can feel what they are singing and playing. Wow! Also, check them out on "Hotel Room" as well! Whoa! That beginning bass solo kicks major butt! Her vocals are so, so great! Thanks for introducing me to these two! Hello! Sherelle Chris wrote: That's quite the find. I'm surprised at how well Joni's phrasing survives in another language: most covers monkey around with that, and it's interesting to find that while the language is different, this one still flows as expected. Irritatingly, this Pedro dude is not only a good looking bastard, but a killer bass player too:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBpLTOW64mc - - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Well, her first publishing compnay was Gandalf - and there are some Tolkien references in her songs, at least in "I Think I Understand". She did not know about Tolkien until Chuck turned her on to his work. Bob NP: Blue Mountain, "Home Grown" - --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:29:25 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books > From: "LESLI A WATTS" > > <<< Do people my age remember when we'd all walk around with siddartha and > Steppenwolf tucked under our arms? >>> > > Absolutely and also "Be Here Now" by Ram Dass. The acid-tripping journey > of a Harvard Psychiatrist traipsing around India to delve into Hindu > religion . I liked looking at the pictures too! > Warmly, > Cassy Yes, much wisdom in that book-and remember-? it cost $3.33? I would add "Stranger In A Strange Land" to the list, and Kurt Vonnegut, and Richard Bratigan. And 1984, Brave New World, Dune, Catch 22, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Steal This Book, The Whole Earth Catalog, Zap Comics.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:44:03 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: Joni and John Lennon Some of Joni's early albums (Blue or especially Ladies of the Canyon), being stripped down in nature, are akin to demos in terms of production. That's what I like about them- Joni's piano has to stand in for an orchestra, nowadays you'd have the whole orchestra instead of the piano. But circa 1970 this kept some of her songs from getting more airplay. Back then, if your song didn't have a certain type of instrumentation, it might not get played. Finding that "rock" musicians couldn't do justice to her material, she naturally developed an affinity with jazzers. So, actually, Lennon's advice was pretty sound- in order to have her own hits, stop making what are essentially demos for other artists. Make records with more elaborate instrumentation yourself. Which is what she did. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: A fly on Joni's wall You took my first choice, David - I'd like to have tagged along on that Hejira, but I'd also settle for being a fly on the wall in the studio when she was recording Blue. Bob - --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:24:28 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books On Apr 7, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Sherelle Smith wrote: > Holy Cow! Holy Cow! Joni likes "Lord of the Rings"? Am I reading > this right? Please correct me if I'm wrong! If it's true...I feel > so close to her emotionally right now! (smile) > > Sherelle I knew there was a reason I like you so much Sherelle! Victor, a huge "Lord of the Rings" fan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:33:50 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Thanks for sharing that with me Bob! I don't care who turned her on to Tolkien just as long as she likes him! I am a reading novice (can't seem to sit still through a novel) but I love J.R.R. Tolkien and the way he wrote. I don't have all of Joni's CD so I must ask which one "I Think I Understand" is on...embarrasing! Sherelle Bob wrote: > > Well, her first publishing compnay was Gandalf - and there are some >Tolkien references in her songs, at least in "I Think I Understand". She >did not know about Tolkien until Chuck turned her on to his work. > > Bob > > NP: Blue Mountain, "Home Grown" > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:35:05 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Ah...Ditto! Ditto my friend! And this is one reason of many why we both love Joni! Love, Sherelle Victor wrote: > > >On Apr 7, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Sherelle Smith wrote: > >>Holy Cow! Holy Cow! Joni likes "Lord of the Rings"? Am I reading this >>right? Please correct me if I'm wrong! If it's true...I feel so close to >>her emotionally right now! (smile) >> >>Sherelle > > >I knew there was a reason I like you so much Sherelle! > >Victor, a huge "Lord of the Rings" fan _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:41:59 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: sjc? Roundabout to Joni Fest Dear Ones: I've been kinda watching it from the wings this week, just skimming what digests I can and enjoying each and every fest report (I will go back and read them in greater depth, when good fortune allows), because my heart and mind were somewhere else. I was spiritually with Joni and her new grief, as we almost lost my mom this week. She was in ICU....long scary story, but she is recovering now, and I didn't have to take this flight tonight. I am greatly relieved and ready to throw some lightness on these things now and laugh it all away. Well, not really laugh, because it was so serious, but you know what I mean. Musik Meister Muller wrote, in "that Post about the Fest, Part I": "Friday AM Bob & I set out and after a couple of rush hour traffic jams we hit the open road and it was really an easy drive and a scenic one as well. For our soundtrack we were playing the new Amy Winehouse and Bob is right - it's a killer of a CD. (Tried to make me go to rehab...I said no, no, no....) Of course, the ONLY time I needed Bob to help with navigation was when Patti P called and he totally dropped the ball with helping me off the crazy roundabout. But we quickly resolved that and by lunchtime we were at the Full Moon." Yikes! I'm sorry I called back at that critical juncture. But I had fun sitting in the back seat with you guys, singing a Joni song, side by side. And hey, at least you didn't drive it into a ditch, you son of a b@#ch! (ONLY KIDDING!) But then again, YES! Roundabout I'll be the roundabout the words will make you out and out you spend the day your way. Call it morning driving through the sound and in and out the valley in and around the lane mountains come out of the sky and they stand there one mile over we'll be there and we'll see you ten true summers we'll be back and laughing too twenty-four before my love you'll see I'll be there with you. The music dance and sing they make the children really ring I spend the day your your way. Call it... I will remember you your silhouette will charge the view of distant atmosphere. Call it... Along the drifting cloud the eagle searching down on the land I'll be the roundabout the words will make you out and out catching the swirling wind the sailor sees the rim of the land I'll be the roundabout... The eagles dancing wings create as weather spins out of hand I'll be the roundabout... go closer hold the land feel partly no more than grains of sand I'll be the roundabout... We stand so lose all time a thousand answers by in your hand I'll be the roundabout... next to your deeper fears we stand surrounded by a million years I'll be the roundabout... That song sounds so Joni-ish, and Joni-fest-ish, doesn't it? But don't mind JMOCDed me. I see something of Joni in everything just at this -- and every - -- moment of the world! I'm so glad you all had such a wonderful time. You went looking for a party, looking to raise JEEEEEEsus up from the dead, and it looks like you DID! Happy Easter (or whatever you celebrate)! Love & Peace, Patti P. P.S. Bob and Oddmund and Bene and Jerry et al: I sent those "it sure ain't French" lyrics to my friend who runs our Critical Languages Program (CRLP, for you Catherine) which includes all the LCTs (Less Commonly Taught languages). She will know. She knows the answer. (I don't know.) _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:50:40 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: A fly on Joni's wall On 4/7/07, Bob Muller wrote: > her career what would you choose?> Chelsea Hotel, first time she went to New York. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:55:51 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Breaking through the delurk-phase Great question. Here are 3 possible answers. Short version: it's a gift from God. Mystical version: Joan Anderson's maternal grandmother, Sadie, wanted to play piano but never got the piano. Joni said it might be that she (Joni) got the chance to make her grandmother's dream come true. It's as if Joni's muse was inherited, fully formed, from an adult. Is it Joan or is it Sadie? My version: I think it's Joni with a head full of great ideas, including the notion that it is her destiny to be an artist. There's no room for doubts if you are fulfilling your desitny, eh? Jim L. Benedicte said, >I don't think I'll ever understand how some people can be so great when they are so young... 21...? How does that work??> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:58:05 EDT From: JLoehr4988@aol.com Subject: re: a fly on joni's wall Hi...as a fly I'm sitting next to David whose sitting next to Joni on her solo hejira in '76... but if there wasn't room I'd like to be around the studio and such during the court and spark time/ hosl days...or if they were swatting me out of there I'd like to be buzzing around Joni's Vancouver house as she was building it and writing FTR..oh yes..the studio during Blue!!...oh no..now I really can't decide??!! judy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:32:05 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Her first publishing company was Gandalf Publishing - ----------------------------------------- My favorite character from LOTR is Gandalf. If he were real, I'd have many, many questions for him....ones he'd be able to answer! - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Tut tut tut, Sherelle - hang your head in shame. OK, done? It's on Clouds - one of my favorite Joni songs because it's so uplifting to me (Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty). Here's the Tolkien reference from the JM glossary: http://jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=66 Of course, I can't think of this song without thinking of the private performance I was given by Anita in France, and Donna turned in a fine performance of it as well last weekend at the Full Moon. Bob NP: Ani, "Serpentine" - --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:37:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: sjc? Roundabout to Joni Fest NJC It was really no big deal - it was great to share that little chunk of fest time with you, in fact. Would be better if you would grant us a larger chunk aka COME TO THE NEXT ONE. I mean really, this event is tailor-made for you, babe. I'm glad your Mom is better. Bob NP: The Isley Brothers, "Who's That Lady?" - --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:43:24 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: a fly on joni's wall What an interesting question! And may I add, what a difficult question to answer! I suppose I would have liked to be a fly up in Canada when Joni went away around the For The Roses time to be by herself and write and so forth. I guess it'd be nice to see her get so many song ideas (see her working them out), see her try and relax, and just see her being "Joni," the person as opposed to Joni the musician or Joni the image I or you or the world may have of her. I think a person is really themselves when he/she is alone.....there's a comfort in isolation and when you know no one's looking....too bad that's impossible to actually see! Or perhaps, I'd like to be a fly when she was away in Crete I believe, living in caves and meeting new people and sharing new experiences. I guess seeing her out of her element would be interesting to witness as well. There's something to be told there. What a good question man! - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:07:02 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? Given that there is alot of talent on this list, I figured I would bring this up here. I had posted this on my My Space blog but fear I won't get any real response from it. What can I say, I'm feeling philosophical and that in itself usually scares people away. However, I have been thinking about music and creativity and wondering if it may be a step towards tapping into enlightenment of some sorts or of self knowledge or happiness or something special you just can't explain....(not achieving it fully....but maybe giving you a head start or something....my apologies if I'm not making any sense...) For all you fellow musicians and people in other creative fields, do you find this to be true? I mean, I think a step to enlightenment or happiness or satisfaction (whatever you want to call it) is knowing yourself. Once you know yourself, you can seek the world out. This being said, I think music plays a greater role in personal gain than anyone could ever imagine. I think music unlocks certain parts of yourself that would otherwise be unknown (all the creative arts for that matter). Do you think that's true? Does music, art, writing, sculpting, anything creative bring out something hidden within yourself? Now we're almost talking Psychology here.....what do you think? But if you do think it brings out something in yourself, what if that something is very, very dark? Is it getting out your angels as well as devils (Joni made some mention of ridding your angels and devils)? Is that a healthy notion? Is it a way of purging? Opinions welcome! - -Monika, they call me the seeker ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:20:07 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Jonifest Dreams --> One Marbled Bowling Ball Bon soir! Bonneville Bruce wrote in part: "I so longingly wish that I could have attended this sacred event. I believe that gatherings of this nature are the only things that keep the planet from warping and bursting through the christ-consciousness grid that holds it together. And I'm not talking about religion here, I'm talking about real spiritual work to preserve what is of value on this third stone from the sun. It is a big pile of good karma in the gia karma bank. Thank you all for keeping the faith and tipping the balance of karma a few significant notches toward the life-force direction for a few days." Beautiful. What you say makes me think of this this short but very uplifting video that a friend of spirit recently sent me. "One World" I think it's called, but I've translated into Joni-ese as "One Marbled Bowling Ball". I hope the instant good karma's gonna get you! http://www.globalcommunity.org/flash/wombat.shtml Love & Peace (I said it like it was something to strive for), Patti P., still catching up NPIMH: Instant Karma _________________________________________________________________ Cant afford to quit your job?  Earn your AS, BS, or MS degree online in 1 year. http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866145&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866143 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:45:20 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Roundabout to Joni Fest NJC Musik Meister Muller wrote: It was really no big deal - it was great to share that little chunk of fest time with you, in fact. Would be better if you would grant us a larger chunk aka COME TO THE NEXT ONE. I mean really, this event is tailor-made for you, babe. Danke schon, darling, danke schon! But you really meant to say "Taylor-Ham-made", right? We don't care, baby, if you're so square that you can't speak French or Finnish, but get your Joni-speak right! I'll try for the next one, and I'll be just a (c)hunk a (c)hunk of burning Joni love! xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:06:55 -0700 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Re: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? Since I was a child, I drew, painted, sang, danced and wrote. I'm not sure it helped me know myself--that came with time--but I know it helped me keep from destroying myself. Channeling pain and self-destructive energy into creative pursuits was a life-saver. I always knew I could go to my room and try to find the tuning and the chords to "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire," or write in my journal, or paint a picture and get through whatever was going on by focusing on a creative act. Any enlightenment I might have came more from forgetting myself. Sublimely and paradoxically, I then began to know myself better. A little bit of Zen for you, folks. Not always a perfect example of selflessness, Jill - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? Given that there is alot of talent on this list, I figured I would bring this up here. I had posted this on my My Space blog but fear I won't get any real response from it. What can I say, I'm feeling philosophical and that in itself usually scares people away. However, I have been thinking about music and creativity and wondering if it may be a step towards tapping into enlightenment of some sorts or of self knowledge or happiness or something special you just can't explain....(not achieving it fully....but maybe giving you a head start or something....my apologies if I'm not making any sense...) For all you fellow musicians and people in other creative fields, do you find this to be true? I mean, I think a step to enlightenment or happiness or satisfaction (whatever you want to call it) is knowing yourself. Once you know yourself, you can seek the world out. This being said, I think music plays a greater role in personal gain than anyone could ever imagine. I think music unlocks certain parts of yourself that would otherwise be unknown (all the creative arts for that matter). Do you think that's true? Does music, art, writing, sculpting, anything creative bring out something hidden within yourself? Now we're almost talking Psychology here.....what do you think? But if you do think it brings out something in yourself, what if that something is very, very dark? Is it getting out your angels as well as devils (Joni made some mention of ridding your angels and devils)? Is that a healthy notion? Is it a way of purging? Opinions welcome! - -Monika, they call me the seeker ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:31:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahida Jorganes Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books... Hey, I was not around then, but Siddhartha is my favorite book of all time. Changed my life. Really. Jahida, who's on Easter break, and so glad to get a moment to sleep. Who knew playing Fraulein Schneider would be so involving, yet so rewarding? Also, I think that I have to have a summer Jonifest up here in Vermont. Who would come to that? nw: (now watching): The Ten Commandments (one of my favs...oh Anne Baxter, you slay me!) - --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 05:58:42 +0200 From: Danilo Monno Subject: Happy Easter! My best wishes for a Happy Easter!HugsDanilo _________________________________________________________________ Vieni a conoscere Doretta, la ricercatrice (quasi) perfetta http://www.msn.it/doretta82 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:05:32 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Roxana Amed singing Amelia live Wow, goosebumps & tears (haven't had that happen in a long time) listening to this- thanks so much bob! >This might be the best thing I've seen on YouTube - since we're talking about the beauty of other languages, take 7 minutes out of your day and enjoy this gorgeous live Spanish-language duet of Joni's "Amelia". We have Roxana's studio version in the collection already (she sings it in both English & Spanish on her CD) but this duet with guitarist Pedro Aznar will really move you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-SFKsDE5tk< ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #145 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------