From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #122 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 21 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 122 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's mama [Em ] Re: Joni's mama ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Feminist choice (njc) [] BBC show [jserkes@aol.com] Re: Joni's mama [] BBC Interview ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] RE: Come in from the cold BBC radio 2 ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Joni's mama [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Joni's mama [Victor Johnson ] Re: Joni Dreams [PassScribe@aol.com] BSN and Sufjan cover ["Michael O'Malley" ] RE: Good Old Days NJC [Debra ] re: Joni's mama [Brian Gross ] Joni's mama, the Sax Q and Joni Dreams ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: Come In From The Cold: The Return of Joni Mitchell [Mark-Leon Thorne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's mama sad. thanks for telling us Kakki. RIP indeed. Wishing peace to Joni and her family. Em - --- kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: > This may have already been posted but I heard from a good source that > Joni's > mother passed away yesterday. It must be a terrible loss for her. > RIP dear > Myrtle. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:33:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Joni's mama Has not been posted. Thanks for letting us know Kakki. I can't find anything yet about her death, but in tribute here is where you can find two recent interviews and recollections: http://www.cbc.ca/jonimitchell/index.html?copy-interviews Jerry kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: > This may have already been posted but I heard from a good source that > Joni's > mother passed away yesterday. It must be a terrible loss for her. RIP > dear > Myrtle. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:38:26 -0700 From: Subject: Feminist choice (njc) Lori asked: "I know you were referring to "real issues," but really, don't you think all of the time spent oohing and aahing at ourselves in the mirror, and trying to "fit in" to the fashion of the moment, is rather a huge waste of time?" Not for me - As far as hair and make-up - I can pull it all together in 10 minutes or less (practice makes perfect ;-) I don't agree that everyone should try to "fit in" - they should just do what they like, wear what they like. I don't think all women are motivated by one particular thing or another. Some people (men included) just like expressing themselves by their style and/or appreciate certain fashions. It is mostly harmless and makes the daily grind a little more interesting and colorful, no? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:35:00 -0400 From: jserkes@aol.com Subject: BBC show I listened to the BBC show today. Terrific, but lacked meat as my canadian buddy frosty said. I couldnt agree more. I look forward to the second session. I do want to say that it is still such a pleasure that Joni is still in it, as she is as brilliant an artist as we have in the last 100+ years. Jody L. Serkes Los Angeles, CA jserkes@aol.com 314.378.6052 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:48:33 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Joni's mama Yes, Jerry, I immediately thought about those dear interviews when I learned the news. If anyone hasn't heard them yet, they are just priceless and give much insight into what pretty much wonderful parents Joni was blessed to have. Joni's mother had a long time here on earth but that does not abate the loss Joni and her dad must feel. Part of me wonders if maybe Joni will bring her dad out to stay in California. She will need to hold him close. Kakki > Has not been posted. Thanks for letting us know Kakki. I can't find > anything yet about her death, but in tribute here is where you can find > two recent interviews and recollections: > > http://www.cbc.ca/jonimitchell/index.html?copy-interviews > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:58:57 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: BBC Interview Yeah, it's all stuff we've heard before - interview wise.... but really she's not said this stuff on NATIONAL RADIO so I guess it was a good interview, all being said. The tinyTINY snippets of the new album, I was holding my breath for a full song... I'm glad that the piano is sounding like a piano... and the song Shine... yes the lyrical line is a lot leaner, maybe she will get a few more vocalists covering her songs now! You know how these vocalists like to indulge themselves and not just sound like intelligent people but 'emotional' beings. These songs might appeal to vocalists, finally, whetted the appetite? I dunno... I hope the album is good... we shall see... I am waiting with baited breath... Much Joni Jamie Zoob - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:32:07 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Come in from the cold BBC radio 2 This little light of mine I'm going to let it shine Oh, this little light of mine I'm going to let it shine Hallelujah This little light of mine I'm going to let it shine Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine http://www.negrospirituals.com/news-song/this_little_light_of_mine.htm - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:31 PM To: Garret; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Come in from the cold BBC radio 2 > SO what did you guys think? > She sounds in good mood in this interview. Can you imagine if Joni > had not given up athletics as a child? We might be here talking about > her best speed in the 100m, lol. > > But seriously, the new music clips..... i don't know if i was > impressed with shine. I don't think her voice sounded any better than > T'log, but i was listening on the computer. The piano music sounded > good though. > GARRET Well, the clips were extremely short, just a few seconds, so kind of hard to form an opinion. I think Shine sounded ....fine...kind of like where TI left off-again hard to say. Kind of eerie for me since several songs I've written of late have "shine" as a part of the title or chorus: Let It Shine, Our Love Still Shines, two that say 'shine a little light' (Joni's line is 'let your little light shine'). I was even thinking of calling my next CD Let It Shine, but had decided against it, but enough about ME! (weird, though). It was cool to hear about the early years of songwriting, and while she wouldn't admit it as such, images of her pitching her songs to Tom Rush and the guys. And the way she described working with Crosby and the record biz attitude of the time. Amanda Ghost asked the right questions, alot of them about songwriting, even getting repremanded for saying it was hard to put existing poetry to song, when, in fact, "they write themselves" my dear girl. How many black people impressions did she do, like 3 so far? I must take issue with her dismissal of the protest songs of her generation as "ineffective" and "adolescent". These songs moved a generation, helped spread awareness and stop a war. I doubt if she has even heard "An Untitled Protest" by Country Joe. There's "Machine Gun" by Jimi Hendrix,"Masters of War" by Dylan, "War" by Edwin Starr. These songs were artful in themselves, hardly adolescent, and certainly effective. Okay, maybe none of them caused Nixon to sit down and sob...or maybe they did-he sicked the FBI on Lennon....(end of rant). Altogether, a nice ride on the interview side, was hoping for a full song, though, instead of a few seconds. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:03:42 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's mama In a message dated 3/20/2007 8:22:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kbhla@fastmail.fm writes: This may have already been posted but I heard from a good source that Joni's mother passed away yesterday. It must be a terrible loss for her. RIP dear Myrtle. Kakki Thanks for letting us know Kakki...... My deepest sympathy to the Anderson family.... Joni's Mama was so proud of her rosie in NJ ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:46:03 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni's mama Thanks for letting us know. Losing your mom is heartbreaking, period, and Joni obviously had an intense relationship with her mom. At 07:18 PM 3/20/2007, you wrote: >This may have already been posted but I heard from a good source that Joni's >mother passed away yesterday. It must be a terrible loss for her. RIP dear >Myrtle. > >Kakki - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:03:19 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's mama Oh, I'm so sorry to hear this. These sorts of happenings really put things into perspective. RIP. I hope Joni and the rest of her family are doing as well as they can. - -Monika Hare Krishna. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:20:10 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni's mama On Mar 20, 2007, at 8:18 PM, wrote: > This may have already been posted but I heard from a good source > that Joni's > mother passed away yesterday. It must be a terrible loss for her. > RIP dear > Myrtle. > > Kakki That's so weird as my best friend Amy's mother passed away yesterday as well...about 2:00am in the morning. We had been expecting her to go pretty soon (she suffered from Parkinson's disease) but it is never easy. Amy's mother raised her single handedly as her father abandoned them when she was little. Amy had spent the last 5 years or so caring for her herself and working full time. A nurse came 5 days a week but it was still an enormous task and she always put it before anything else. One reason I admire her so much. The memorial service is scheduled for Thursday and her mother told Amy several years ago she wanted me to sing at her funeral, so I will be singing "Fire and Rain" by James Taylor. Oddly enough I sang in a choral performance tonight w/orchestra accompaniment, Faure's Requiem, an achingly beautiful peace...sad but beautiful. Maybe it was for Myrtle and Jeri, Amy's mom. Victor, amazingly at peace with all of this...music is the best medicine(and laughter) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:48:32 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Dreams > Motitan@aol.com > Subject: Joni dreams? > > I've read someone mention on this list a dream they had with Joni Mitchell > in it. That being said, have any of the rest of you had a dream with Joni > on > it? I just find dreams so fascinating really. > Hi, Monika, That may have been me since I've had two Joni-related dreams and BOTH revolved around JoniFests. Joni was even IN one of them. I tend to have a lot of dreams (of course, it's said we all dream a lot but don't always remember them) and I usually remember quite a bit. I vaguely remember having dreams about other musicians but they haven't stuck in my memory like the Joni/Jonifest ones. The weird thing is how REAL some dreams seem, to the point where I've woken up and believed what happened in the dream actually took place. More than once, I've dreamed about finding the first car I owned again (1950 Merc convert), after so many years, and buying it back. When I've woken up after a couple of those, I actually thought it was parked in my garage until reality set in. What a BUMMER! Kenny B ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:56:53 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: BSN and Sufjan cover Mark in Sydney wrote: The album, Both Sides, Now was not a contractual obligation as discussed here previously. In fact, according to Joni, it was just the opposite. Joni always wanted to record an album of covers but was contractually prevented. To add to this, Mark, in the CBC radio documentary that came out in late January, Joni confided that the opportunity to make BSN was in fact a parting gift offered to her by a record company - I forget which one. They made it happen and shelled out the bucks for it. Someone on this list probably knows the details. In any event - what a cool present to offer a musician. Making BSN and getting to sing standards, work with an arranger and a full ochestra, in London, was clearly a milestone in Joni's carreer. Michael in Quebec PS. While I am a Sufjan fan, I don't get his FMIP cover. Not even remotely like the original. Same words, new melody and tempo. Hardly a cover, imo. It's an entirely new creation. _________________________________________________________________ Have Some Fun Out Of The Sun This March Break http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!142 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:45:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Subject: RE: Good Old Days NJC - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > You don't listen to "Air America"...(are they still > on the air?)...or read > left-wing blogs? No, Bree, I don't. I did listen to Al Franken a couple of times because I think he's funny and smart, but I never got hooked. I don't like being told what to think and that's the purpose and effect of any show with a definite bias such as Rush Limbaugh's. So, no, Bree, I stick to the mainstream press because they at least attempt to tell the full story so people can make up their own mind. I do like moveon.org, mostly because they are always asking for ideas and feedback from their members, rather than telling people what to think. You probably don't know that. Rush Limbaugh probably insults moveon.org a lot. My views, of course, are the opposite of yours. Rush Limbaugh insults rather than argues issues. Bush says one thing and does another most of the time. Frank Rich has a book all about that. I'm not crazy about Hillary Clinton but am not afraid of her so don't feel hysterical whenever I think of her, and I'd never label her or anyone as BAD. That's way too simple for me. I'm glad you liked the good old days link. I find it fascinating that people can look at the same situation and behavior and see it so completely differently. Variety is the spice of life, or something like that. Debra Shea ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: re: Joni's mama El Moley Rachamim Oh G-d, full of compassion, Thou who dwellest on high. Grant perfect rest beneath the sheltering wings of Thy presence, among the holy and pure who shine as the brightness of the firmament unto the soul of Myrtle Anderson who has gone unto eternity. Lord of mercy, bring her under the cover of Thy wings, and let her soul be bound up in the bond of eternal life. Be Thou her possession, and may her repose be peace. Amen. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:02:06 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Joni's mama, the Sax Q and Joni Dreams That IS certainly sad news about Joni's mom.but she did live an unusually long and full life. I was always struck by her vague resemblance to the Queen of England - always wondered if I was the only one who thought about that. As far as the new songs go and Joni playing the sax, Bob's got it right - there's no WAY she's got the lung power for that. I thought it was interesting the way they talked about it only fleetingly, sort of masking the truth that she's programming a digitally synthesized horn section. The arrangement is still her art, but the physical musicianship is not, which is why I bristled in my initial comment about pro-tools. Not to rail on and on - but digital technology is both a blessing and a curse. As a music critic (and I know, I'm often perceived as the enemy, paid for making trite comments, etc) SOOOOO much crap comes across my desk, and digital recording has made a lot of it possible. Now anybody can make a record and they have the engineering tools laid out for them to make it actually sound like something halfway decent even if they're way low on talent. It's amazing. And maddening. But nfor some artists it means the difference of making another disc or not. To make albums the old fashioned way with tape is maybe $150,000. To make a decent sounding digitally recorded disc is more like $5000. But there are ways of using digital well and ways of using it badly. Anybody hear that latest Diana Ross monstrosity? Part of what's so horrible about it is that she seems completely detached from the arrangements, which sound as if they could've come from an 80's model Casio toy. It's as if the tracks were programmed elsewhere, emailed to her, and then she set up a microphone in her bedroom and listlessly croaked out some air until the space was all filled. Her voice is artificially thickened (I know - this is standard procedure at this point, but it's particularly obvious on Ross' disc), the drums are fake and tinny sounding, and on..So, when I heard that tell-tale synthesized drum sound schlepping around in the background of "Shine" I got a shiver. But these may not be finished and mastered tracks, which is what I'm hoping. On the other hand, Ghost spoke as if she'd heard the whole CD, so maybe it's done already (too fast, don't'cha think?) I've sort of known in the back of my mind that Joni was working digitally at home and that this disc was, to some extent, going to be a homemade affair. But if she doesn't bring in some other musicians to flesh the tracks out and relies on what instruments she can simulate herself (which is just about anything), "Shine" may be a real bummer. I was hoping she'd go after working with the band that toured with her in '98 to add some jazzy touches. It's not that I don't have faith in Joni. But even "the masters" can use a second opinion. It's hard (read: nearly impossible) to be objective about your own work - that why artists get critiqued. As far as Joni dreams go, I have a few every year myself. One had to do with bumping into her in a shopping area in Bel Air (particularly laughable since, now that I've been there and photographed myself standing in front of her gate, I know full well that there isn't any shopping area in Bel Air - but the dream predates my 1994 pilgrimage to chez Joni). We just started talking and ended up going back to her place and having dinner - we hit it off. Another more recent one was much darker. She was going to cook me dinner (again), only this time we weren't getting along so well. She was upset because I wouldn't drink wine with her (I stopped drinking a number of years ago) and thought I was being silly about avoiding alcohol. In that dream, Joni is obviously just a stand-in for someone else.strange the way the mind works sometimes. There's been another recurring one about how every time Joni comes to Boston (which never actually happens) I have access to her somehow - it's unclear how in the dream. But we always hook up and spend some time.the details aren't very specific. While we're on the topic (I'm on a roll now and avoiding writing a CD rev'w I don't feel like tending to - this is much more fun at the moment) - I still have this damn dream about these ultra-rare Carole King albums that don't exist. In the dream I'm constantly combing through used shops in search of these elusive items, the covers of which are odd variances on one's that actually exist. It's as if in between The City's "Now That Everything's Been Said" and the "Writer" disc she made maybe three other records (which is, of course, not the case). Somebody once told me it's called a 'frustration dream.' Maybe I'm just bummed that CK's Ode Years are so finite and the rest of her output has been so shoddy - so I'm dreaming there's more of it to be unearthed. Thanks for reading, Chris in Boston ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:23:06 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Good Old Days NJC On Mar 20, 2007, at 11:45 PM, Debra wrote: > > > I do like moveon.org, mostly because they are always > asking for ideas and feedback from their members, > rather than telling people what to think. You probably > don't know that. Rush Limbaugh probably insults > moveon.org a lot. And moveon.org probably insults Rush Limbaugh. So neither side likes the other side. That's certainly clear. But I wouldn't agree that moveon.org does not tell people what to think. They certainly have an agenda as much as any other political organization. They're just portrayed as good and friendly while the "other side" is portrayed as wrong and trying to control people. And someone who listens to Rush Limbaugh would probably say the reverse. It basically comes down to each side saying I'm right and you're wrong. It seems to me to gain any ground you would have to get past all of that, to really communicate which neither side wants to do. disclaimer- I listen to neither of these organizations/people but I agree that it is fascinating that people view things differently. That's what makes life interesting. Everyone is unique. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:16:43 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Come In From The Cold: The Return of Joni Mitchell For those who didn't get to hear the show or can't stream it, I think this turned out to be a pretty good recording. I only missed the first 3 or 4 words of Amanda's introduction. WireTap records in AIFF uncompressed format and then I converted it to a fairly high bitrate mp3. The file is about 79Mb. Download it here: http://download.yousendit.com/1D68F98A7A4ACB93 Although I was disappointed by the shortness of the sound clips from the new album, it sounds like it will be a nice album. I like the imagery that Joni describes for the song, "Shine" - viewing the earth from above. It seems there are some positive thoughts on this album too. Mark in Sydney PS Can anyone offer me a job? I have been unemployed for two months now. It's a long shot but, I thought I'd ask anyway. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #122 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------