From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #115 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 16 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 115 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: J rejects feminism SJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni cover makes Cracked.com's worst-ever list [Motitan@aol.com] buddist? ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni on BBC 2 [missblux@googlemail.com] Free Hugs, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] NJC bra burnings [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Books NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Books NJC [Deb Messling ] J rejects feminism (njc) [] Re: Books/Sondheim NJC [Victor Johnson ] Re: Books/Sondheim NJC [Motitan@aol.com] Joni Reference on South Park NJC [kjhsf@aol.com] Re: buddist? ["Randy Remote" ] You can't satire Joni (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Joni on BBC 2 ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:49:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: J rejects feminism SJC You make a good point Bree, although I doubt anyone would call Joni an environmentalist. I think it takes more than talk or beliefs to make an environmentalist. At least that is the way I view it. >Also playing in the mix is that Joni doesn't like to be pigeon-holed..PERIOD. Although...... I wonder if she runs from the term ..environmentalist? Bree< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:51:48 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni cover makes Cracked.com's worst-ever list Man I am so glad to see some of these songs on the list. If Hilary Duff doing My Generation isn't bad enough, even worse, she changes the infamous lyric in that song to "hope I don't die before I get old." Come on man! And Behind Blue Eyes by Limp Bizkit is one of the worst covers I have ever heard in my life as well. If you're going to cover that song, you need someone who can actually sing not just grunt and groan. I hate Fred Durst. Plus they leave out the sped up part and add some other nonsense to the song---not to mention additional lyrics. No! And is Big Yellow Taxi done by the Couting Crows really, really bad? I'm sort of interested in hearing it now but at the same time not if it gets totally butchered. Plus I don't like the Counting Crows anyway. But if we're talking the Black Crowes, I can stand them. I like their bluesy tint. - -Monika ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:02:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: buddist? rr>We know she has called herself a buddhist. So there's one ist.< she does? I thought buddists didn't drink alcohol (& doesn't joni love her daily champagne?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:23:02 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Joni on BBC 2 This is so exciiiiiitiiinnnng..! Recording probably isn't necessary, as I think you'll be able to download the program. And how much more exciiiitiiinnng is that...!! Here it is.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/documentaries/ Beeeeeeneeee... Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:10:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New Joni Mitchell songs are to be aired exclusively on BBC Radio 2 Very cool news - and I'm actually very happy to see the Euros getting a scoop for a change - seems like North America has gotten their fair share recently. Next question: who's signing up to record and pass along? Bob NP: Joni, "All I Want" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:25:24 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Free Hugs, njc Cut and Paste this address. I love it and so will you! Turn on the audio. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:01:10 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC bra burnings Someone said bra-burning never actually happened. I am sure they burned them in Copenhagen though - does that count as 'happening'...? Bene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:34:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Books NJC Ummmm...are we related? MY sister has an entire Stephen King ROOM, with everything he has written, including lots of signed first editions, and of course all the books he wrote with Peter Straub and/or co-wrote under a pseudonym. (The dude has written a LOT of books). I don't read as many books as I should...I read Atlantic Monthly, Rolling Stone, Wired, Newsweek, Vanity Fair & several bloggers. I'm lucky if I read two/three novels a year. Although I always read Carl Hiaasen's books. Bob NP: Soundgarden, "Applebite" - --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:58:51 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Books NJC >I read literary fiction, mostly, although right now I'm reading The >End of Faith by Sam Harris, a provocative critique of >religion. Novels I've loved, recently, include The Thirteenth Tale >by Diane Setterfield, Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro, Fingersmith >by Sarah Waters, Fun Home by Alison Bechdel (although that's not a >novel - it's a graphic memoir, and absolutely stunning). Here's my little blog about books and other things, if anyone's interested: http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:07:38 -0700 From: Subject: J rejects feminism (njc) There seems to be a wide range of reactions to feminism. Truth be told, greatness came out of the "womens' liberation movement" and so did a lot of weirdness. I was there, saw it, was affected by it, and blah, blah. Some activists in the feminist movement had the right idea/consciousness while others were just not enlightened. That's the reality. The good and the great - - awareness, education and legal and economic parity for women. I was told in 1971 by my college advisor not to pursue law school because they only accepted 1% of women applicants. That changed a few short years later but not in time to take me on another path. I earned 25% or less on the dollar than men for many years for doing the same exact job as the men I replaced. Now I have complete and fair parity in pay in my profession. The bad - many did attack men and made them the enemy very passionately, i.e., "militantly." It was there, definitely, and it was just as unconscious and unenlightened as what men were being accused of. I had a boyfriend in the early 70s whose mother was a feminist. She was off the chart. According to her, a psychiatrist, no one should have children because of the oppressiveness and overpopulation, boys should be like girls, and she was always looking under every rock for politically incorrect male transgressions. She was lucky that her husband, a macho but incredinly sweet and tolerant Air Force pilot and colonel respected and loved her no matter what. Point is, there was a lot of nutty stuff that became associated with the feminist movement back in the day. And I say this as a charter subscriber of Ms. magazine. Some women I knew embraced the movement but also thought that you had to stop washing, brushing and curling your hair, shaving, putting on make-up and other rituals to "stand up." Crazy! That is not choice - that is dogma and catma. Non-productive to real issues. I hate to think how some poor sweet men were influenced by such nuttiness. While I was (and still am) always on-board as far as parity, the rest of it hurt more than helped. I also was fortunate to have a father who always revered women (his sisters were far more accomplished, independent and "liberated" in his family than the men and we are talking 70 years ago). My mother had complete freedom. He never "oppressed" her in any way,. He loved her independent spirit and from day one always encouraged me to be whoever I wanted to be as my birthright. I think Joni must have had a father much the same. If you don't personally grow up with bad experiences of male oppression, it doesn't affect your path as much. Personally, I have have had more women than men ever holding me back in my career. That is where the "catma" comes in ;-) Susan wrote of women being expected to be polite and tolerant. Well, I expect men to be the same! Whenever some of my bosses don't go there, I have a look that just comes out of me and they back down ;-) I also know many otherwise quite macho men that love it when a woman is not "polite and tolerant." Bottom line, you just can't stereotype. Fight unceasingly for the good causes but don't slam the other gender to get there. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:34:27 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Books/Sondheim NJC If I had to pick a favorite book it would be the Lord of the Rings by Tolkien and The Count of Monte Cristo by Dumas. The Lord of the Rings is also the only thing I've read 12 or so times, over the past 20 or so years. It's cool though...I can turn to any page in any of the three books and know exactly what's going on. What am I reading lately? Not alot, while I'm in school but I've been reading the autobiography of Miles Davis which is really, really cool and told entirely from his perspective. He'll be talking about Bird for example and say, well so and so played like a mother f____ and talk about how strung out they were on heroin but how amazing they were. I did put it down but need to pick it up again. I also recently started the newest book by Caroline Myss based on the writings of Saint Theresa of Avila and her seven interior mansions. And I ordered from Amazon (but haven't gotten yet) "Somebody's Gotta Say It" by Neal Boortz and "Ghost Rider: Travels on the Healing Road" by Neil Peart. Boortz I listen to on the radio in Atlanta and while I don't always agree with him and think he can be a jerk sometimes, I find a lot of what he says interesting and often he makes some good points. Neil Peart, the drummer for Rush, wrote Ghost Riders after both his wife and daughter died within months of each other. He's brilliant with words and I enjoyed reading his earlier book "The Masked Rider" about bicycling across West Africa. I also saw a book recently on Amazon I'd like to try called "The Book of Lost Things" by John Connelly. It's supposed to be kind of fantasy/horror about a boy whose stories start talking to him and he ends up in a world with all of these fairy tales, ala Into the Woods. Speaking of Sondheim, we're all set to present our show on Sunday. I think its going to be really good. We did have to cut one person out of the cast ( he wasn't showing up to rehearsals and would leave early when he did come and of course, was acting like a total diva the whole time, and on and on, you get the idea) but once he was gone, any problems quickly abated and I really feel like its going to be a great show. I found that when you're in a cast, especially a small one, when one person isn't carrying their weight, isn't coming half the time, it really throws off the chemistry and there's an unspoken resentment. Everything feels so much better now and I'm feeling the magic. Back to books, when I really like a book, I won't put it down. I'll stay up all night reading or at least till my eyes are starting to blur all the words. I read "Crime and Punishment" in like two days because it was so gripping. I remember staying up all night to read "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil." I am looking very forward to the final Harry Potter book. They keep getting better, each one. Anyhow, that's about all I can think of right now. It's a rainy night in Georgia, I think it's raining all over the world... Victor NP: Charles Mingus "Main" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:34:44 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Books/Sondheim NJC Oh you reminded me of some books I liked as well that I forgot. I do like the Lord of the Rings series and the Harry Potter books. HP is very clever. I'm very fascinated by the Death Eaters. I like the dark side. - -Monika ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:57:16 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Joni Reference on South Park NJC On last night's South Park, one of the scenes opened with Butters (the sweet, innocent character) playing with an action figure and singing "help me, I think I'm falling...) We'll have to add "Joni in Cartoons" to the website to be included with the "Joni in literature" section. On previous shows, we've found Butters singing "if you leave me now, you'll take away the biggest part of me. Ooooo-oh, baby please don't go" (A Chicago song, I believe). I love that Butters is a Joni Fan. He is my favorite South Park Character. Ken ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:20:02 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: buddist? From: "Kate Bennett" > rr>We know she has called herself a buddhist. So there's one ist.< > > she does? I thought buddists didn't drink alcohol (& doesn't joni love > her > daily champagne?) It was mentioned in passing in her last interview with Timothy White in Billboard back when BSN or Tlog was released. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:37:50 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: You can't satire Joni (njc) Speaking of Joni and cartoons, I found the below on someone's customer review of "Ladies in the Canyon" at Amazon. It kind of cracked me up. ".....Well "Big Yellow Taxi" was a big hit song, even Sonny and Cher covered it on their archetypical 70's show ("The Simpsons" satired them, although not Joni, you cannot satire Joni, she did not reveal a satireable side ----- in those days ---- sorry Joni) " Victor NP: Wynton Marsalis "Uptempo Posthude" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:27:57 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni on BBC 2 You can stream it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/ If you have the freeware "audio recorder for free" from download.com you can record the stream to a wav file. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #115 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------