From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #114 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 15 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 114 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: J rejects feminism ["Snatch N. Grabster" ] Joni Tours, Ltd. [] Joni and feminism [] Re: J rejects Feminism [Snapple1984@aol.com] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Today Only FREE Starbucks [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: J does not reject feminism SJC ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Re: njc, spiritual cleansing of the White House [J Kendel Johnson ] Italian Joni Forum ["Pietro" ] Re: J rejects Feminism, njc/more Em drivel [LCStanley7@aol.com] Song to a Seagull Remastered [Dave Blackburn ] Re: J does not reject feminism SJC ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Betty Hutton RIP (NJC) ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] New Joni Mitchell songs are to be aired exclusively on BBC Radio 2 [Les I] Re: Betty Hutton RIP (NJC) [Gary Z ] Re: J rejects feminism njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: J rejects feminism njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: New Joni Mitchell songs are to be aired exclusively on BBC Radio 2 [] njc, 4th anniversary of Iraq war events ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: New Joni Mitchell songs are to be aired exclusively on BBC Radio 2 ["] Re: J rejects Feminism, njc/more Em drivel [Motitan@aol.com] Re: New Joni Mitchell songs are to be aired exclusively on BBC Radio 2 [M] RE: Sherelle and Kurt Elling and Bob Sheppard (Joni moments) ["Sherelle S] Books NJC [Motitan@aol.com] Joni and Buddhism [Motitan@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:42:16 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: J rejects feminism I think many people want to reject labels, as they carry a lot of cultural baggage and lend themselves to stereotyping. So, "feminism" has become some sort of charged code word that causes people who might otherwise agree to choose up sides. It means different things to different people. It's limiting. That being said, if anyone here wants to burn their bra, that's ok with me too. Especially if I get to watch. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:40:19 -0700 From: Subject: Joni Tours, Ltd. Patti P. suggested: "Someone should start a jmdl California tour business. You know how they do the tours of Holllywood and the homes of the stars?" Heh heh - don't tell anyone but we've been running the Joni tours here since inception ;-) We have short, medium and full circle tours of the haunts and landmarks available. Incredibly, I can count at least 25 jmdlers past and present who have slept on my couch. (Now I have two couches but always put people on the "jmdl" couch). The Blue bus is calling us and you are always welcome in! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:27:33 -0700 From: Subject: Joni and feminism Jill, you got it! "To quote Mahatma Gandhi, "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." Joni is simply living it, being it. Some people have an aversion to having themselves defined and limited by any group's dogma (or catma, to be fair)." Exactly!!! We have a winner. Applause, Applause! Glad you had fun with the Paz - great report! Kakki, recovering from three hours of Eric Clapton tonight at Staples Center (Day-yamm!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:06:00 EDT From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: J rejects Feminism Good points Kate, and everyone, I would probably not feel guilty about cooking a good meal and sharing it with a man if I could cook a good meal or had any desire to. But I suppose that's the beauty of the modern conception of feminism. Essentially, I am biologically female and I can choose to do what I want. I acceled in math and science in school but when I got to college I stopped taking math and science because I was more interested in literature, music and religion. As a kid, I did, in fact, feel compelled to outshine the boys in the "traditionally masculine" fields. As an adult, I don't really care. I like flowers, I don't like perfume. I like decorating, I don't like cooking. I don't like action movies, I don't like romantic comedies, I like dramas and character-driven stories. I think Holden Caulfield is an immature brat and I hate Jane Austen. Perhaps in the past it was necessary to be more militant, but thanks to the efforts of centuries of women before me, I now have the right to determine what I want to do in life. I think Joni has always felt that way, even when it wasn't really accepted. - - Kira


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Keep 'em comin'. mike in bcn np - nick cave - secret life of the love song ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 04:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc I don't understand why Steely Dan is not rock and roll. wtf? "Bodhisattva" is one of the most rocking pieces I've ever heard in my life. It rocks my fillings loose. It rocks my eyeballs out of my head it rocks me so I can't sleep. It is absolutlely rock and roll. And not much of a story on that one! Just pure unadulterated jam. They may not rock with every song, but I don't think you can say they never rocked. If Dylan is rock, Steely Dan is rock. Em - --- mike pritchard wrote: > Jim posted > >>You gotta get your mind right, RR. "Rock" is a hip synonym for > "pop". My > opinion is, yeah, hip-hop is one form of 21st century rock. Is > Steely Dan > rock? Without the stories, you'd have The Crusaders. If Led Zep is > rock, > isn't Muddy Waters? Sheryl Crowe is rock so we gotta include > Roseanne Cash > and Emmylou, and Merle and Buddy Miller. Then there's Imogen Heap. > Classifications are for botany. Rock should be "wide, like Jazz".<< > > great stuff jim, with two gems; the Steely Dan remark and the one > about > botany. Personally I don't think Sheryl Crowe is rock (as I > understand rock) > but there's a lot in what you say here. Keep 'em comin'. > mike in bcn > np - nick cave - secret life of the love song ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:10:07 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc Well hell yeah...I would admit the following songs as evidence: Reeling In The Years Don't Take Me Alive Bodhissatva Black Friday Do It Again Kid Charlemagne My Old School Pretzel Logic Show Biz Kids The entire "Live At The Record Plant" bootleg - it totally kicks ass. ...of course they grew (it changed....it grew...) from their earliest pop/rock beginnings, but SD could rock with the best of them imo. Bob NP: Gomez: "Charley Patton Songs" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Jenny On 3/14/07, Randy Remote wrote: > > From: "Bree Mcdonough" > >I think what Joni rejects is the more radical branch of the feminist > >movement. And probably..the term itself...FEMINIST. (the militant > >branch) > > The term feminist doesn't mean militant. The only female armies > I'm aware of weren't for killing, unlike the male ones. > > > You know..the mindset that men all are inherently pigs and they are > the > > cause of all our woes. Also playing in the mix is that Joni > doesn't > > like to be pigeon-holed..PERIOD. Although...... I wonder if she runs > > from the term ..environmentalist? > > We know she has called herself a buddhist. So there's one ist. > People keep saying she is rejecting the LABEL of feminist. > It seems like more than that. She could easily say that she > doesn't want to be labeled anything, but supports the > underlying ideas of feminism and gender equality. > What's the big deal? Why does she insist > her music must be genderless? She is not genderless, > unless she's had some operation we are not aware of. > She sings in a woman's voice. Gender. Get over it. > RR > (...of course, men are inherently pigs! Is there any doubt > about that? Woes...again, almost entirely male caused. > Women's role has largely been one of collusion.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:27:47 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, spiritual cleansing of the White House Ms. Treegreen wrote: yeah, we should use smudge sticks (sage) and walk around the white house - even if it is a whole block. . and spiritually cleanse that thing (as Mack would say) from the premises. ***** Bruce and Marianne, I'll help! But we'll need *giant* smudge sticks, as big as the White House Christmas trees. I recently got an email from the White House. Voila: On behalf of President Bush, thank you for your correspondence. We appreciate hearing your views and welcome your suggestions. The President is committed to continuing our economic progress, defending our freedom, and upholding our Nation's deepest values. Due to the large volume of e-mail received, the White House cannot respond to every message. Please visit the White House website for the most up-to-date information on Presidential initiatives, current events, and topics of interest to you. In order to better receive comments from the public, a new system has been implemented. In the future please send your comments to comments@whitehouse.gov. Thank you again for taking the time to write. ******* No good reception for me so they tuned me out. Well, I'll keep singing soprano in the upstairs choir here: From (your) "Breakfast (with) Barney" To the sign-off prayer What a sorry face you get to wear I'm going to tell you again now If you're still listening there: http://caglecartoons.com/viewimage.asp?ID={BEE04BEC-C3B3-454B-9B24-3E86A836DB47} (Jesus, well then you *yell* it ! ) Peace, Patti P. P.S. I was inspired to share this because the latest edition of Le Nouvel Observateur (French magazine) just landed on my desk. The cover has a a photo of of Bush's face, looking chagrined (for lack of a better word) (No, wait! There are Joni words for it: "sorry face you get to wear") and the headline is: "BUSH -- La spirale de l'echec" (Bush -- the spiral of defeat). And a spiral it is.....down down down the dark ladder with no end in sight. We must stop this! Power to the people! I'll be back later with some suggestions. _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:31:23 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: J rejects Feminism, njc Kira wrote: > Many young women my age will not refer to themselves as feminist because > somehow the reactionary forces to the feminists got across the message that > "feminist" is a pseudonym for man-hating, obnoxious butch dykes. > Hi Kira, Colorful description! When I think of "feminist," I first think of "femme" which basically means "woman" rather than "make-up." There is so much more than just words that attempts to define us. Culture paints a picture of us or tries too. A picture of what a woman is, what she looks like, how a woman carrys one's self, etc. Sometimes there's a label and sometimes there's just a facial expression. It goes for men too of course. I quit shaving under my arms several years ago. I wanted to be more like the sexy French women. But, my American sons called me a monkey. They refused to go places with me when I'd wear a sleeveless shirt. If I want to get them away from me, all I have to do is lift my arm. There's such power in my womanly underarm hair because of the cultural mindset of my sons. How do we see? Can we see with just our eyes and not be bound by opinions? Which colors are "earth" tones? Dirt? Or flowers? Looking at both sides now and then... bisightual. Love, Laura ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:46:03 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Pi Day, njc Victor asked: > I was just wondering, is Pi day a two day affair? 3.1415 > Hi Victor, biPi day or diPi day... I like that. idPi day all day at the bars. idibidiPi day at the day cares. ibidPi day at the libraries. dipiddidoPi day at the salons. pidipodiPi day all day in counseling. PiohPi. Love, Laura ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:50:00 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: J does not reject feminism SJC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jenny Goodspeed" > She doesn't reject feminism in totality either, just doesn't call herself a > feminist for whatever reason - because she finds it a divisive term and she > is motivated by finding commonalities among men and women. Get over it. > Jenny > > What's the big deal? Why does she insist > > her music must be genderless? She is not genderless, > > unless she's had some operation we are not aware of. > > She sings in a woman's voice. Gender. Get over it. > > RR Hmmmm.....women and men are different and yet they are the same. Interesting, what a novel idea! You are both right. Get over it. Victor :) ND: free Starbucks coffee! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:00:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: J rejects Feminism, njc/more Em drivel Another thing - is that so often "man hating" is included in the same phrase with butch dykes. I mean, I'm kind of a butch dyke..although I don't *need* the title or insist on it, like some. I love men! Hey, men are my brothers! Men are my father. Men are partly my god. Men are some of my favorite people where I work. Men have largely been responsible for my favorite music. Even the most butch and muscular (thinking Joan Jett) of women cannot rock and duck walk with the likes of Thorogood or Chuck Berry. The world NEEDS t-rone. Admitttedly, I'd like to see it re-channeled, quite often. But there's lots of female stuff I'd like to see re-channeled too. I think Joni loves men in a WHOLE 'nuther way, than say someone like myself.....but I can understand why she wouldn't want to be associated with a group that IN HER MIND she associates with hating male humans...which she so obviously loves. (and loves and loves and loves) Sometimes its fun to hang out in what the feminists call "women's space", but sometimes... I dunno its like something's *missing*... its not the penis per se, as I don't care about that...so it must be the male soul. I love male artists who stand naked and allow me to understand that soul. Thank you Phillip Roth!!! Em - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Kira wrote: > > > Many young women my age will not refer to themselves as feminist > because > > somehow the reactionary forces to the feminists got across the > message > that > > "feminist" is a pseudonym for man-hating, obnoxious butch dykes. > > > Hi Kira, > > Colorful description! > > When I think of "feminist," I first think of "femme" which > basically > means "woman" rather than "make-up." There is so much more than > just words > that > attempts to define us. Culture paints a picture of us or tries too. > A > picture of what a woman is, what she looks like, how a woman carrys > one's > self, > etc. Sometimes there's a label and sometimes there's just a facial > expression. It goes for men too of course. > > I quit shaving under my arms several years ago. I wanted to be > more > like the sexy French women. But, my American sons called me a > monkey. They > refused to go places with me when I'd wear a sleeveless shirt. If I > want to > get them away from me, all I have to do is lift my arm. There's > such power > in > my womanly underarm hair because of the cultural mindset of my sons. > > How do we see? Can we see with just our eyes and not be bound > by > opinions? Which colors are "earth" tones? Dirt? Or flowers? > Looking at > both > sides now and then... bisightual. > > Love, > Laura > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to > everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: njc, spiritual cleansing of the White House Finally, many "other" Christians are doing their own version of a smudge stick ceremony at the White House tomorrow night -- including preparations for nonviolent civil disobedience. www.ChristianPeaceWitness.org Patti Parlette wrote: Ms. Treegreen wrote: yeah, we should use smudge sticks (sage) and walk around the white house - even if it is a whole block. . and spiritually cleanse that thing (as Mack would say) from the premises. ***** Bruce and Marianne, I'll help! But we'll need *giant* smudge sticks, as big as the White House Christmas trees. I recently got an email from the White House. Voila: On behalf of President Bush, thank you for your correspondence. We appreciate hearing your views and welcome your suggestions. The President is committed to continuing our economic progress, defending our freedom, and upholding our Nation's deepest values. Due to the large volume of e-mail received, the White House cannot respond to every message. Please visit the White House website for the most up-to-date information on Presidential initiatives, current events, and topics of interest to you. In order to better receive comments from the public, a new system has been implemented. In the future please send your comments to comments@whitehouse.gov. Thank you again for taking the time to write. ******* No good reception for me so they tuned me out. Well, I'll keep singing soprano in the upstairs choir here: From (your) "Breakfast (with) Barney" To the sign-off prayer What a sorry face you get to wear I'm going to tell you again now If you're still listening there: http://caglecartoons.com/viewimage.asp?ID={BEE04BEC-C3B3-454B-9B24-3E86A836DB47} (Jesus, well then you *yell* it ! ) Peace, Patti P. P.S. I was inspired to share this because the latest edition of Le Nouvel Observateur (French magazine) just landed on my desk. The cover has a a photo of of Bush's face, looking chagrined (for lack of a better word) (No, wait! There are Joni words for it: "sorry face you get to wear") and the headline is: "BUSH -- La spirale de l'echec" (Bush -- the spiral of defeat). And a spiral it is.....down down down the dark ladder with no end in sight. We must stop this! Power to the people! I'll be back later with some suggestions. _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:35:09 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: butch dykes, njc Wow, since when did "butch dyke" become a term of opprobrium? Among us, I mean? >Kira wrote: > > > Many young women my age will not refer to themselves as feminist because > > somehow the reactionary forces to the feminists got across the message >that > > "feminist" is a pseudonym for man-hating, obnoxious butch dykes. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:57:40 +0100 From: "Pietro" Subject: Italian Joni Forum From: Hissings To all Italian Joni fans: go to http://jonimitchell.forumfree.net/. You'll find the first Italian Joni forum, a place to discuss and share thoughts about Joni's amazing music. Please join us! Thanks J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:04:04 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: J rejects Feminism, njc/more Em drivel In a message dated 3/15/07 9:00:27 AM, emzdogz@yahoo.com writes: > I love male artists who stand naked and allow me to understand that > soul. > I like RHCP's with socks on personally. Love, Laura ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:59:47 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Song to a Seagull Remastered To all Joniamigos, After seven attempts and some back and forth consulting with my listening assistant Jerry Notaro, I have finally got STAS much closer to where it should be sonically. Given the rather extreme problems of the source (early 60's panning -dated by 1968 even- , harsh guitar tones, distorted vocal phrases, tape hiss and excessive chamber reverb along with withered tape stock before the source CD was originally transferred) there are still some unfixable problems but Jerry and I believe they have improved considerably. I had to resort to some pretty bizarre methods to get there but the results are here now for you to hear. I have encoded the files as highest bit rate mp3s instead of the AAC files I prefer as it appears many of you don't use iTunes, so there should be universal translation to your computer setup. From there you can burn a CD. As before, you must already own the CD before downloading; although I can't verify this I'm doing the honor system this time. Let me know if the revised sound works for you. thanks, Dave http://www.yousendit.com/download/T2dmV0o2U1BRYTgwTVE9PQ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:16:32 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: J does not reject feminism SJC I agree with Jerry, feminism is about having a choice and, I would add, making it consciously. So it's okay to be a homemaker (of your own free will) just as long as you also are away of the setbacks that still come with it - like economic dependency (which you might not notice until your partner dies or you get a divorce or once you retire and have to get by on old-age pension ..). Kate: As for Joni being a homemaker - well, she does have a housekeeper...If she bakes pies and cooks and so on, she does it for pleasure, not out of neccesity or because other people have assigned her that task. I am very, very tired of comments on feminism meaning a hatred of men. There is no conflict in being a feminist and loving men! Conflict occurs when people who don't subscribe to the idea of equal rights and opportunities for men and women or who do not want to admit that equal rights for men and women still do not exist to this day try to out feminism by claiming that it means a hatred of men. I don't think it's a good argument saying you don't want to be labeled a feminist because it's critics have badmouthed it...if that really is why Joni seems to reject it. If on the other hand she simply rejects to be labelled at all - well, I'm a bit sceptical to the notion that we are completely free to choose our identities, I think it's more a question of accepting some and rejecting others within certain, limited ranges (more limited for some people than for others, so Joni's range is larger than most of ours. Still, she probably does have an image of herself that is not entirely her own device). But okay, that's probably an entirely different discussion. Thanks for letting me have my say. Have a nice day, Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jenny Goodspeed" ; Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:50 PM Subject: Re: J does not reject feminism SJC > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Jenny Goodspeed" >> She doesn't reject feminism in totality either, just doesn't call herself >> a >> feminist for whatever reason - because she finds it a divisive term and >> she >> is motivated by finding commonalities among men and women. Get over it. >> Jenny > >> > What's the big deal? Why does she insist >> > her music must be genderless? She is not genderless, >> > unless she's had some operation we are not aware of. >> > She sings in a woman's voice. Gender. Get over it. >> > RR > > Hmmmm.....women and men are different and yet they are the same. > Interesting, what a novel idea! > > You are both right. Get over it. > > Victor :) > > ND: free Starbucks coffee! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:49:42 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Betty Hutton RIP (NJC) I just discovered that one of my very favorite actresses/singers has passed away. She was a remarkable woman. Some of you may remember Betty Hutton. I'm watching TCM on cable and they're showing a few of her movies. When they said "Memorial Tribute" I was stunned, and immediately went to the internet and found this: http://www.broadway.com/gen/Buzz_Story.aspx?ci=545214 I had corresponded with the two men who were her caregivers last year, and they graciously had Betty sign a photo for me. Another sad loss in the entertainment industry. Betty, you will be missed! Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:20:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Betty Hutton RIP (NJC) Thank God someone else even knew who she was. I sent a note to Smurph yesterday about her passing because I knew he was a fan. I was a big fan of hers, also. Her last interview with Robert Osborne will be rebroadcast tonight at 7 on AMC. It is well worth watching for any fan of Betty's, or movies in general. Jerry Gary Z wrote: > I just discovered that one of my very favorite actresses/singers has > passed away. She was a remarkable woman. > Some of you may remember Betty Hutton. I'm watching TCM on cable and > they're showing a few of her movies. When they said "Memorial Tribute" I > was stunned, and immediately went to the internet and found this: > > http://www.broadway.com/gen/Buzz_Story.aspx?ci=545214 > > I had corresponded with the two men who were her caregivers last year, > and they graciously had Betty sign a photo for me. > > Another sad loss in the entertainment industry. > > Betty, you will be missed! > > Best regards, > > Gary Z. > Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:24:06 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: New Joni Mitchell songs are to be aired exclusively on BBC Radio 2 New Joni Mitchell songs are to be aired exclusively on BBC Radio 2, six months before her first LP in ten years is released. Mitchell's "Shine" is the first album of new material in a decade, and also features the singer's setting of Kipling's poem "If." The world exclusive preview of the songs will take place over the next two weekends, as part of a two-part documentary based around an in-depth "conversation" between Mitchell and British singer-songwriter Amanda Ghost. The radio series "Come In From The Cold: The Return Of Joni Mitchell" sees Mitchell explain the reasons behind her change of mind about recording music again. Mitchell's last album of new material "Taming The Tiger" appeared in 1998 prior to the announcement of her retirement from music in 2002. The new album comes as part of a busy period of renewed activity and interest for Mitchell - "Dancing Joni", a collaboration between the singer-songwriter and Alberta Ballet opened in Canada last month and next month sees the release of "A Tribute to Joni Mitchell", a collection of her songs reinterpreted by the likes of Bjork, Annie Lennox, Prince, kd lang, James Taylor, Elvis Costello and Emmylou Harris. Come In From The Cold: The Return Of Joni Mitchell will be broadcast on BBC Radio 2 on March 20 and 27 at 8.30pm. "Shine" is expected to be released in the Autumn. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:32:15 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Betty Hutton RIP (NJC) Hi Jerry, I always kind of thought Betty was sort of the 40s and 50s Bette Midler (of Bette's early days); wild and vivacious. I'm glad that Bette recorded one of her songs, "Stuff Like That There" from "For the Boys" and had often wished that she would have recorded more of some of Betty's great songs. Some are beautiful ballads, and some are just hilarious comedic songs. I'm glad to know that you and Smurf were fans of Betty too! Best, Gary Z. Detroit Gerald A. Notaro wrote: >Thank God someone else even knew who she was. I sent a note to Smurph >yesterday about her passing because I knew he was a fan. I was a big fan >of hers, also. Her last interview with Robert Osborne will be rebroadcast >tonight at 7 on AMC. It is well worth watching for any fan of Betty's, or >movies in general. > >Jerry > >Gary Z wrote: > > >>I just discovered that one of my very favorite actresses/singers has >>passed away. She was a remarkable woman. >>Some of you may remember Betty Hutton. I'm watching TCM on cable and >>they're showing a few of her movies. When they said "Memorial Tribute" I >>was stunned, and immediately went to the internet and found this: >> >>http://www.broadway.com/gen/Buzz_Story.aspx?ci=545214 >> >>I had corresponded with the two men who were her caregivers last year, >>and they graciously had Betty sign a photo for me. >> >>Another sad loss in the entertainment industry. >> >>Betty, you will be missed! >> >>Best regards, >> >>Gary Z. >>Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:33:48 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: J rejects feminism njc - ----- Original Message ----- > That being said, if anyone here wants to burn their bra, that's ok > with me too. Especially if I get to watch. Just remember to remove it first. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:54:00 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: J rejects feminism njc Although I would imagine they will be hesitant to do so in front of a guy named "Snatch N. Grabster". 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It was exactly 40 years ago that the historic march on the Pentagon took place (in 1967 -- perhaps the beginning of the Summer of Love!) Here is a wonderful site to help you find an event near you. There are 533 throughout the U.S. (at last count): http://www.unitedforpeace.org/calendar.php?caltype=51&bydate=2007-03-14 You can type in your info, or if you are in the U.S.A., just scroll down the list to see all the places where things are happening. Oh but California, California has the most with 110! And NYC has all kinds of neat events. I haven't checked every country (not much time on my hands) but I see something happening in Montreal (O, Canada!), Madrid (I caught a plane to Spain), and (maybe I'll go to) Rome. And you know.... I'm going to the big rally in Hartford. It may snow on my peace parade but nothing will stop me. I've got a great sign in the works (thanks, anonymous JMDLer!). I'm just so thankful that I won't be carrying one like the father on the home page for unitedforpeace.org that says: GEORGE BUSH, YOUR DECEIT COST MY SON HIS LIFE HAVE YOU NO CONSCIENCE? (photo of the boy) KIA BRENT ADAMS, SFC RAMADA, IRAQ 12/01/05 How many more? And for WHAT? And my personal both sides now: I also celebrate my good fortune from 4 years ago, when my son was within an inch of joining the military madness. It still makes me shudder. I will march all the more defiantly and passionately this Saturday for all the mothers who have not been as blessed as I have been. I hope there will be "a field-day for the heat A thousand people in the street Singing songs and carrying signs!" If you can't go or are not interested, please share this link with others who may be interested. You KNOW there may be more! http://www.unitedforpeace.org/calendar.php?caltype=51&bydate=2007-03-14 Instant karmas gonna get you Gonna knock you off your feet Better recognize your brothers Everyone you meet Why in the world are we here Surely not to live in pain and fear Raise the candles high! Shake your fists at lightning now! Roar like forest fire! Show 'em, we won't expire! Time for a revolution! We can change the world! Won't you please come to a rally, no one else can take your place! Okay, okay, I'll stop. I just love a peace parade. It's my thang! Love & Peace, Patti P., off to the bookstore to buy poster board and markers and shamrocks _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:39:28 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: getting a scoop (njc) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Very cool news - and I'm actually very happy to see the Euros getting a > scoop for a change - seems like North America has gotten their fair share > recently. Hear, hear....I concur with you. Along similar lines, Dave Matthews Band is playing several dates in Australia this spring. Anyone in the land down under planning on catching them? Victor NP: scrabble ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: J does not reject feminism nJC I am a feminist.... I am a butch .... I am a dyke - I am a butchdyke feminist. I make my own choice - and loving one does not mean hating another. It is my preference - but yes I do love the company of women and loving women more than I do men. But I will say many mucho macho men immediately go there - calling us man-haters .. so funny coming from a misogynist - as is usually the case. Not that I am speaking to anyone here - so please don't go there. But in the general public and more so then than now. However, there still is a double standard - even today for women in business - or politics. The difference still exists in sexual - let's say - assertiveness. And in many other arenas - but still we are expected to be tolerant and polite. Sometime seems like we are still being kept in a place - it may be different from the previous place, but still just look - the fact that this is being discussed proves something is awry doesn't it?. BUT I do still love my mucho macho man here on the JMDL - my luvah man Smurf. He is a mean old daddy - in that Ethel Merman kind of way - with that Ethel Merchismo oozing from his Iips! Makes me sooo warm & gushy inside ... ;-P See you soon Smurph-Daddy and many others as well! Peace, Susan - --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:10:34 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: New Joni Mitchell songs are to be aired exclusively on BBC Radio 2 This is such great news... I shall be glued to my radio... of course everyone with the bandwith can listen to it online at www.bbc.co.uk and if you have realplayers... Should be gooooooood! Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 15/03/07, Les Irvin wrote: > New Joni Mitchell songs are to be aired exclusively on BBC Radio 2, six > months before her first LP in ten years is released. > > Mitchell's "Shine" is the first album of new material in a decade, and also > features the singer's setting of Kipling's poem "If." > > The world exclusive preview of the songs will take place over the next two > weekends, as part of a two-part documentary based around an in-depth > "conversation" between Mitchell and British singer-songwriter Amanda Ghost. > > The radio series "Come In From The Cold: The Return Of Joni Mitchell" sees > Mitchell explain the reasons behind her change of mind about recording music > again. > > Mitchell's last album of new material "Taming The Tiger" appeared in 1998 > prior to the announcement of her retirement from music in 2002. > > The new album comes as part of a busy period of renewed activity and > interest for Mitchell - "Dancing Joni", a collaboration between the > singer-songwriter and Alberta Ballet opened in Canada last month and next > month sees the release of "A Tribute to Joni Mitchell", a collection of her > songs reinterpreted by the likes of Bjork, Annie Lennox, Prince, kd lang, > James Taylor, Elvis Costello and Emmylou Harris. > > Come In From The Cold: The Return Of Joni Mitchell will be broadcast on BBC > Radio 2 on March 20 and 27 at 8.30pm. > "Shine" is expected to be released in the Autumn. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:17:31 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: J rejects Feminism, njc/more Em drivel I think Joni loves men in a WHOLE 'nuther way, than say someone like myself.....but I can understand why she wouldn't want to be associated with a group that IN HER MIND she associates with hating male humans...which she so obviously loves. (and loves and loves and loves) - ---------------------------------- Hey, there's nothing wrong with loving and loving and loving males! Guys fascinate me! - -Monika ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:21:19 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: New Joni Mitchell songs are to be aired exclusively on BBC Radio 2 Oh how do I love the BBC. Somedays I think I belong in England. For those listening, please share your opinions on the songs! I'm so curious to hear everyone's opinion. I can't listen because nothing plays on my computer from the internet. Ah well.....the time is coming. - -Monika ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:25:40 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Sherelle and Kurt Elling and Bob Sheppard (Joni moments) Hi Patti-Patti! I got in last night and I have been spending all day trying to get through emails. You can tell how much I rely on the Internet for communication when I take some time off! I need a laptop big time! I haven't had a chance to read Kakki's and Kate's posts yet but I tell you what, I had such a great time with both of them! We both had very unique and special experiences! I had a taste of heaven in L.A. with Kakki and with Kate in Santa Ynez. I want to read their posts before responding but I had an unbelievable "Joni" time! I'll never forget it! More soon, Sherelle >From: "Patti Parlette" > >Thanks for the good news, Kakki! You are lucky to get to entertain so many >Joni guests all the time. Who says Joni is the reigning Queen of LA? >I'd say you give her a run for her (love or) money. And I am so happy to >hear that Sherelle is not on a lonely road and she is travelling, >travelling, travelling!' > >Sherelle. My Strawberry Fields Sister. I can just "imagine" her settling >down into the clickety clack with the clouds and the stars to read. I'm >dreaming of the pleasure she's going to have on her way from point K >(Kakki, in the city of the fallen angels) to point KB (Kate Bennett). Did >you pack your suspenders, Sherelle? Kate will come meet your train! (I >know it's supposed to be plane.) Oh, but California....California! You'll >get to to see the folks you dig! > >California is one of my favorite places on this marbled bowling ball. I >meant to go over and ask for a song. Maybe you two can put on a harmony! >And maybe Kate will have you up early on the ranch, brushing out a brood >mare's tail. Just look out for those coyotes. > >Have fun and shine like the sun, Ladies of the JMDL Canyon! And happy >trails to you, too, Senor Paz, and the rest of the Joni monde. > >Love & Peace, > >Patti P. > > >Sounds like you guys had a great time. Wish i could have been there. >In Ft. Wayne Indiana to tonight and home tomorrow. > >Love > >Paz > >_________________________________________________________________ >Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. >Intro*Terms >https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 > _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:35:42 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Books NJC Hey, I was wondering what everyone reads on this list (that is if you do read)? I'm not a big reader by any stretch of the imagination (not like my sister who always has a book in her hands) but I do enjoy a good book here and there. I like books in general but I hate the process of reading---just sitting there. It's hard to just sit still like that. I've even got a bookmark with a string and bead attached to it that I can flip around when I read. Strange I know. I have my moods. Sometimes I'll be in a reading mood and read like 4 books in a month or two. And then I won't even look at a book usually following those moods for like 3 months. It all depends really. I tend to read more fiction that nonfiction though. I see it as a way of gaining knowledge about the things I like. I love reading band/artist biographies, music books in general, books on Psychology (I love Carl Jung--he was on to something and one day will be acknowledged rightfully so), Astrology, some Philosophy/eastern literature (I love Nietzsche and anything Hindu or Buddhist), and in particular I love Transcendentalism (Thoreau and especially Ralph Waldo Emerson were on to something as well if you ask me). When I do feel a need for fiction I'll read things I hear about from others or in print. I read a book by Herman Hesse a couple months ago because Joni said she liked him in some article or interview I came across (I read Siddhartha which was very good!). My favorite books (as far as fiction goes) are The Catcher In The Rye, Jude The Obscure, and 1984. Catcher I decided to read because of all the controversy that surrounds it whereas 1984 I read after a couple students in class were discussing it. Also, I read some Stephen King because my sister is a huge reader and has a certain taste for mysteries/thrillers. I think she owns every book Stephen King has written. How about you? - -Monika ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:39:31 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni and Buddhism Somebody mentioned on this list that Joni considers herself a Buddhist and I remember from a couple things I read she references certain things. That being said, does anyone know if there are any articles/interviews available where she talks about her interest in Buddhism in depth? I mean I could search the jmdl library but I'm really looking for something where she goes into it, not just briefly mentions it in passing--if such an article exists. Any help at all would be appreciated as always! - -Monika ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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