From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #113 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 15 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 113 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: J rejects Feminism [Snapple1984@aol.com] njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: NJC Jarret ["mike pritchard" ] Re: njc [Victor Johnson ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rk's_"Boho_Dance"?= ["The Boho Dance" ] Re: NJC RnR Hall of Fame [Em ] Re: NJC RnR Hall of Fame [Smurf ] RE: Bra-burning feminsits--urban legend RE: Re: J rejects feminism SJC ["] Circle Game in the movies [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC RnR Hall of Fame [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Bjork's Boho Dance [Garret ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions.... now jc [Garret ] Re: Bra-burning feminsits--urban legend RE: Re: J rejects feminism SJC [] CBC-TV dvd's [Brian Gross ] Re: J rejects feminism ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama"

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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:26:39 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ hAppy Pi day. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:22:24 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: NJC Jarret >>... I feel really positive today for the first time in a long time, after feeling like there was a heavy weight on my forehead for quite a while.<< Hi Catherine, If the heavy weight is really on your forehead, standing up usually helps it to fall away. Try it. See you at Fest, I hope. mike in bcn np Lee Konitz -Another kind of blue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:06:02 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: njc I was just wondering, is Pi day a two day affair? 3.1415 On Mar 14, 2007, at 6:26 AM, Marianne Rizzo wrote: > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > hAppy Pi day. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:26:15 +0200 From: "The Boho Dance" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rk's_"Boho_Dance"?= Me too, been dying to hear this! I thought nobody recorded it. ThankYouThankYouThankYou Bob! Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:45:21 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Bjork's "Boho Dance" > > You can hear it here: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddtp5zvrX1c > > Bob Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:12:42 +1100 > Awesome, Bob. I have been dying to hear this. She couldn't have picked > a more appropriate song. The style is very much like Bjvrk's most > recent album, Medulla. > > Mark in Sydney > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:38:19 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil, njc Victor wrote: > Starbucks rocks! I was on my way to school this morning, thinking I > probably wouldn't have time to get to Best Buy before they closed tonight as I have > a couple of rehearsals. I walked into the downtown Starbucks to get some > coffee (my usual morning routine) when I saw none other than the new Neil Young > album Live at Massey Hall, staring at me from the counter. So I am > listening to it now on my laptop and it is awesome...so crisp and clear and > beautiful. Life is good. > > Hi Victor, Cool. One of my best friends works at Starbucks, and we were on the phone the other night listening to Neil Young. Love, Laura NP: Neil Young - Sea of Madness ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:45:19 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC RnR Hall of Fame Further to Randy's points, here are a couple of brief but good L.A. Times articles relative to the Hall. This one has to do with what I think is the real issue with non "Rock and Roll" acts being included - namely, the name of the building itself: http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-ca-rockhall11mar11,0,5730242.story?coll=cl-home-more-channels This one, by Robert Hilburn, details another problem with the HoF...in their rush to play catch-up, they have perhaps enshrined some who do not really stand the test of time: http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-ca-deduct11mar11,0,2697080.story?coll=cl-home-more-channels Bob NP: Joni, "Hejira" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Bush visits during his seven-day, five-nation tour of Latin >America........... _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC RnR Hall of Fame yeah if they were to stay strictly with rock and roll they WOULD soon run out of people to induct. Rock and roll has largely gone back underground and you have to catch it in clubs and on indie labels. But then every once in a while you get a true rock album like Stadium Arcadium. IT LIVES!!!! so they might have to change it to the Pop Music Hall of Fame. ......and it will include truly smarmy stuff. When the early rockers were starting out, it was an underground sound. They had to search it out, stay up to listen to faraway radio stations, etc, to get their nourishment. Rock and roll isn't dead, its just largely no longer on the radio in its living form. You get the preserved stuff, on classic rock stations and the indie bands on either satellite or 'net streaming audio, or on community radio stations. Its not so bad. But it is sad in a way to see the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame become diluted. And I don't mean the addition of hip-hop! so nobody even go there, lol. Talking about like the one article says, inducting George Michael. :( inducting the American Idol people. :( Em - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Further to Randy's points, here are a couple of brief but good L.A. > Times > articles relative to the Hall. This one has to do with what I think > is the > real issue with non "Rock and Roll" acts being included - namely, the > name > of the building itself: > > http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-ca-rockhall11mar11,0,5730242.story?coll=cl-home-more-channels > > This one, by Robert Hilburn, details another problem with the > HoF...in > their rush to play catch-up, they have perhaps enshrined some who do > not > really stand the test of time: > > http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-ca-deduct11mar11,0,2697080.story?coll=cl-home-more-channels > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "Hejira" > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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I said she was and continued to talk about her when I suddenly heard Amy singing "Rehab" over the phone line after my friend had accessed her audio samples through the iTunes store. --Smurf, wondering if it's still called a 'phone line' in wireless times . . . . - --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:06:13 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Bra-burning feminsits--urban legend RE: Re: J rejects feminism SJC I think what Joni rejects is the more radical branch of the feminist movement. And probably..the term itself...FEMINIST. (the militant branch) You know..the mindset that men all are inherently pigs and they are the cause of all our woes. Also playing in the mix is that Joni doesn't like to be pigeon-holed..PERIOD. Although...... I wonder if she runs from the term ..environmentalist? Bree >The existence of bra-burning feminists is an urban legend perpetrated by >anti-feminist media. See: > >http://www.snopes.com/history/american/burnbra.htm > >The tendency for women like Joni to disavow feminism, when they are clearly >feminists in the sense that they certainly believe in the political, social >and economic equality of the sexes, is unfortunate. "Bra-burning feminism" >is the late-sixties, early seventies equivalent of the noxious Rush >Limbaugh's "feminazi" today. > >Susan Faludi in _Backlash_ gives the following account: > >"The first action of the new women's liberation movement to receive >national >front-page coverage was a protest of the Miss America pageant [in 1968]. >Many feminist marches for jobs, pay equity, and coeducation had preceded >it, >but they didn't attract anywhere near the media attention. The reason the >event got so much ink: a few women tossed padded brassieres in a trash >can. >No one actually burned a bra that day--as a journalist erroneously >reported. >In fact there's no evidence that any undergarment was ever so much as >singed >at any women's rights demonstration in the decade. (The only two such >displays that came close were organized by _men_, a disk jocky and an >architect, who tried to get women to fling their bras into a barrel and the >Chicago River as 'media events.' Only three women cooperated in the river >stunt--all models hired by the architect.) Yet to read the press accounts >of the time, the bonfires of feminism nearly cremated the lingerie >industry." (p.75) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Joseph >Palis >Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:45 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: RE : Re: J rejects feminism > >Excellent posts everyone! > >I am wondering if Joni innately resists the label of feminism (broadly >defined) and the baggage that comes with it which may explain why she came >up with statements that had her berate feminists as "too aggressive"? But I >wonder who are the feminists she is up against here? Was she referring to >Gloria Steinem, Jane Fonda and the bra-burning women who protested the >power >relations of gender politics in the late 60s-early 70s? Or was she >referring >to anyone who openly admit they are feminists and whose actions Joni find >abrasive or uncouth? > >Sometimes I wonder if Joni finds more affinity with the early wave of >feminism in the turn of the century and of Virginia Woolf who insist that >women have a room of one's own. > >I view Joni's art, music and ideological slant as falling into the feminist >label but understand that she may have issues with that label itself. Kinda >resisting labels that can themselves imprison. > >Joseph enjoying "ghost town" Chapel Hill, >np: Cassanda Wilson "Easy Rider" > >Marion Leffler a icrit : Yes, Kate, I understand >that, myself being a woman of Joni's generation. >After all, it is the women of that generation who started the second wave >of > >feminism. Why Joni persists remarking on feminism in what I feel is a >rather > >uninformed way is beyond me, especially since she seems to be living in a >way any feminist would applaud. But I guess we all have our blind spots... >Marion > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kate Johnson" >To: >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:46 PM >Subject: J rejects feminism > > > >> There is one thing that puzzles me about her, though, and that is > >> her constant > >> rejection of feminism. In some interviews, she has said that > >> feminists are > >> "too aggressive". In the Word article, she repeats for the umptiest > >> time that > >> her music is raceless and genderless. And that it isn't "feminine". > >> I think it > >> is!! She certainly speaks with a woman's voice in all her lyrics, > >> and how > >> could she not? Anybody else baffled by this? > >> > >> Have a nice weekend, > >> Marion > > > > I think she's got feminism and hatred of men mixed up in her mind. > > She's always felt she was one of the boys ... and of course, since > > males are considered superior in our culture and around the world (I > > know, it's ridiculous, but there you have it), many women are pleased > > to be identified with men. To be told you had a man's mind, or > > thought like a man, was considered a compliment for a woman growing > > up when Joni did, and earlier. > > > > Kate of the North! > > (doesn't that just require an exclamation mark?) > > http://xoetc.antville.org > > > >--------------------------------- > Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos >questions >! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des >internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN. Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:10:44 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Circle Game in the movies Hi Lori - I don't know for sure, but I do see that there was a 1994 Canadian film titled "The Circle Game" that was a family drama - maybe that's what you're thinking of. I'd be surprised if a CANADIAN film titled identically to one of Joni's most well-known songs didn't reference it at some point. The only use of the song in a film that I'm certain about is the Buffy Saint-Marie cover used in "The Strawberry Statement". Hope that helps a little. Bob - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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However, eventually for political reasons or to keep peace they start giving it to everyone so there's not any resentment or perception of favoritism ('Congratulations for coming in on time, Phil - you're our Employee Of The Month!') and the recognition doesn't mean much. Usually the programs get mothballed by the time they reach that point. I haven't seen the HoF yet but have it in my sights to do sometime. Bob NP: Joni, "The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines" (RIP Stardust Casino) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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REM reunited with Bill Berry for the occasion > and Patti Smith performed a song for her deceased mother. Patti ROCKED!!!!!!!! Well of course she did Jerry. She performed Gimme Shelter, because the night and (her mother's favourite) Rock N Roll Nigger (on live tv, and some of the f**ks not being bleeped). Apparently her mother used to vacuum listening to this one, lol. Then People Have the Power was the encore that everyone sang on. Em - the band played with her - the great Lenny Kaye, Tony Shanahan, Jay Dee Daugherty, and her son, Jackson. But they really had to in my opinion, they are a unit. PSG was put to rest in 1979 but the same people still work with Patti, writing songs and playing. And Rose... Patii will be touring soon so get you out to see her if she plays near you (are you in NY?). Her upcoming album is an album of covers, and i have really liked what i heard so far - will be first in line hte day it's released. She will be celebrating hte summer of love on the tour apparently. Who knows what that means. Of course, she is likely to be playing her "bluegrass" version of smells like teen spirit (she set out to emphasise the lyrics to teh songs on this album it seems). Not your typical gig i imagine. The European tour begins soon enough and goes until the end of June. I sometimes see an odd parallel between Patti Smith and Joni Mitchell for various reasons. Recently i have been struck by a distinct difference: There was a quote on the list recently from Joni saying she typcially shifts 300,000 albums but htat it takes 600,000 to make money (does it really take 600,000 to break even? i find that very hard to believe but then i'm quite ignorant about how these things work). I've always had the feeling that Joni wants commercial success. Patti Smith i would guess sells significantly fewer albums than Joni, but she does not seem to mind this. I read in an interview recently some comment from her about her "so called career" - something like "if you call it a career i kinda made a balls of it - ten albums in 30 years, only one hit" and laughing. IN a sense she seems to revel in feeling obscure, it seems to inspire her. The unifying point here is that in many ways both are really quite mainstream and just don't really see that, they have influenced countless of today's biggest names in popular music, and have spoken intimately to fans through their music in a way that, for those who like, seems to speak directly to them on some ill-defined visceral/emotional/intellectual/beauteous level. I don't really know. Ok, while i'm rambling. We heard Joni on Paul Simon recently, here's a Patti quote from a just published interviwe (contrast with Joni's comments): Your choice of covering Paul Simon's "Boy in the Bubble" surprised me. Me, too. The thing is, I don't even like Paul Simon. I don't mean that personally, I don't know him, but his music has never appealed to me. If you were to ask me a year ago if I was going to cover a Paul Simon song I'd say no. But in the '80s when that song came out, I really admired it. That song has great lyrics. I thought, "I should have wrote that song, how'd he write that?" There's so much in that. Lasers in the jungle, cameras in slo-mo, the bomb in the baby carriage, it's all in this one song. I thought the song should be re-examined. Whether I like Paul Simon or not, he wrote really good lyrics that speak for our present condition. For the record, i really like Paul Simon and when i saw Simon and Garfunkel three years ago in London it was unlike anything else. GARRET NP - Neil Young, After The Gold Rush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:14:28 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: J rejects feminism On 14-Mar-07, at 2:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > I am wondering if Joni innately resists the label of feminism > (broadly defined) and the baggage that comes with it which may > explain why she came up with statements that had her berate > feminists as "too aggressive"? Joni is close in age to my mom, who also grew up in Saskatchewan. Now my mom was not a "town kid," as Joni was, and my mom wasn't a hippy chick, or an only child ... and my mom didn't go away to art school, no, she got pregnant at 17 and married ... but she also was a singer, played several instruments by ear, loved music ... anyway my point (if i have one) is that they are (were; Mom died almost two years ago) very different women and yet ... my mom would never have thought of herself as a feminist either. She would have thought there was no need for feminism (in her OWN life, that is) because she was content with her role of homemaker and mother and not at all like a second- class citizen. Could it be that Joni feels content with her "domesticity," that it is satisfying for her along with her freedom to create in her own way? (as my mother did; she was very creative in her chosen crafts). "Aggressive" feminism has suggested women should reject domestic work; it's undervalued and doing it is a sort of cop-out, especially if you are doing much of it for the men who live in your home (as most women are, and doing more than their share too-- yes I'm generalizing I know, but statistics show it's not a generalization that's far off base) as well as for yourself, and this can be a type of enslavement (well i won't go there but i could, oh i could!) -- well Joni enjoys this type of domestic activity, she enjoys cooking, decorating and keeping her home nice, etc -- yet a certain kind of (radical?) feminism once insisted this interest and aptitude is beneath an "equal" woman ... especially since before that time many women didn't feel they had other options; those choices had to be fought for, and so many women felt they had to reject that part of themselves that knew the personal domestic situation is equally important. My goodness, yes! if we aren't happy in our homes, what's the point of it all? I would reject feminism too if I thought it didn't respect my choice of making my personal space as comfortable as I can; if it made me feel guilty for cooking a good meal and sharing it with a man; if it belittled my choice to make a certain kind of home for myself and my children by being here rather than engaging in a career that kept me away all day. Anais Nin also rejected feminism as a label, because she did not believe that hating and rejecting men was the way to go, and she got a lot of flak for that. She herself had bought into the prevailing idea that men's minds were better than women's minds for understanding intellectual ideas ... that men and women weren't equal is that bottom line, as far as I can see ... and yet she was useful to the feminist movement because she publicly rejected the typical "dependent on men" lifestyle (though she was, financially and emotionally!) of the times (she also loved to keep her household up to her standard of beauty and functionality, and to create a home). Yes, I am a-rambling. Enuffadat! Kate du Nord! http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:10:00 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Bra-burning feminsits--urban legend RE: Re: J rejects feminism SJC From: "Bree Mcdonough" >I think what Joni rejects is the more radical branch of the feminist >movement. And probably..the term itself...FEMINIST. (the militant >branch) The term feminist doesn't mean militant. The only female armies I'm aware of weren't for killing, unlike the male ones. > You know..the mindset that men all are inherently pigs and they are the > cause of all our woes. Also playing in the mix is that Joni doesn't > like to be pigeon-holed..PERIOD. Although...... I wonder if she runs > from the term ..environmentalist? We know she has called herself a buddhist. So there's one ist. People keep saying she is rejecting the LABEL of feminist. It seems like more than that. She could easily say that she doesn't want to be labeled anything, but supports the underlying ideas of feminism and gender equality. What's the big deal? Why does she insist her music must be genderless? She is not genderless, unless she's had some operation we are not aware of. She sings in a woman's voice. Gender. Get over it. RR (...of course, men are inherently pigs! Is there any doubt about that? Woes...again, almost entirely male caused. Women's role has largely been one of collusion.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:41:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: CBC-TV dvd's The 50th request just arrived in my email. The last 15 copies will go out in tomorrow's mail (The first 35 went out yesterday and today) One of the 50 told me that he would continue the copying, so this is certainly not the end of the line for this really wonderful video. Thanks again to Michael O'Malley for recording the source material off the CBC. Michael, I'll be mailing your original back to you, and under separate cover, a backup copy just in case one of our postal services "goes postal" on your original! And thank you, JMDLers all, for allowing me to do this for you. It is a privilege and an honor to be part of this community. As Jamie Z says so aptly: much Joni, Brian - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:21:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: J rejects feminism Kate Johnson wrote: > I would reject feminism too if I thought it didn't respect my choice > of making my personal space as comfortable as I can; if it made me > feel guilty for cooking a good meal and sharing it with a man; if it > belittled my choice to make a certain kind of home for myself and my > children by being here rather than engaging in a career that kept me > away all day. I think most of us define feminism as having had a choice. I think it is that simple. Many women before Joni didn't any choice at all. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:44:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc You gotta get your mind right, RR. "Rock" is a hip synonym for "pop". My opinion is, yeah, hip-hop is one form of 21st century rock. Is Steely Dan rock? Without the stories, you'd have The Crusaders. If Led Zep is rock, isn't Muddy Waters? Sheryl Crowe is rock so we gotta include Roseanne Cash and Emmylou, and Merle and Buddy Miller. Then there's Imogen Heap. Classifications are for botany. Rock should be "wide, like Jazz". Jim >Nothing against Hip-hop, but it IS the "rock & roll" hall of fame- does hip-hop belong there?> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:09:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Joni cover makes Cracked.com's worst-ever list The Worst Cover Songs In Pop Music History For video samples of all the songs, and eplainations of why they were chosen, go to: http://www.cracked.com/index.php?name=News&sid=1713&pageid=1 20. "You Shook Me All Night Long"  Celine Dion and Anastasia 19. "Downtown Train"  Rod Stewart 18. "Knockin' on Heaven's Door"  Guns N Roses 17. "Demolition Man"  Manfred Mann 16. "American Pie"  Madonna 15. "My Generation"  Hilary Duff 14. "It's My Life"  No Doubt 13. "Video Killed The Radio Star"  The Presidents of the United States of America 12. "Walk this Way"  Macy Gray 11. "Another Brick in the Wall"  Korn 10. "I'm A Believer"  Smash Mouth 09. "Satisfaction"  Britney Spears 08. "Sweet Child O Mine"  Sheryl Crowe 07. "Big Yellow Taxi"  Counting Crows 06. "911 Is a Joke"  Duran Duran 05. "Anarchy in the UK"  Motley Crue 04. "Behind Blue Eyes"  Limp Bizkit 03. "Feel Like Making Love"  Kid Rock 02. "Dock of the Bay"  Michael Bolton 01. "And It Stoned Me"  Bob Dylan Here's what they said about BYT: "We absolutely loved the way that lead singer Adam Duritz (the hairy Fraggle wearing the arty-fart Dr. Seuss hat in the video) changed up the phrasing to make it more liberal than the original Joni Mitchell version. Because if there's one thing that Joni Mitchell could've improved on, it was being more liberal. That made all the difference to us. We've since started buying organic apples." . ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:11:51 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" > You gotta get your mind right, RR. "Rock" is a hip synonym for "pop". My > opinion is, yeah, hip-hop is one form of 21st century rock. Is Steely Dan > rock? Without the stories, you'd have The Crusaders. If Led Zep is rock, > isn't Muddy Waters? Sheryl Crowe is rock so we gotta include Roseanne > Cash > and Emmylou, and Merle and Buddy Miller. Then there's Imogen Heap. > Classifications are for botany. Rock should be "wide, like Jazz". Okay, but I gotta draw the line at that James Blunt dude. RR ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #113 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------