From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #112 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 14 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 112 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Bjork's "Boho Dance" [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc [Em ] Rush fans (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc [Victor Johnson ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc [Em ] Neil Young live at Massey Hall (njc) [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc [rosemjoy@aol.com] Re: Neil Young live at Massey Hall (njc) [Em ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc ["Randy Remote" ] joni anecdote [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc [Em ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc [Smurf ] Subject: njc, TV alert: The Daily Show tonight [Bruce Eggleston ] Bra-burning feminsits--urban legend RE: Re: J rejects feminism SJC ["Rich] Re: (NJC now) Bra-burning feminsits--urban legend RE: Re: J rejects feminism ["Lori Fye" ] On critics [Motitan@aol.com] ATTENTION: LURKERS ON DIGEST [Brian Gross ] FW: Message from Website ["Les Irvin" ] Joni and Feminism, Paz report, Jonifest ["Jill Haas" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:12:42 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Bjork's "Boho Dance" Awesome, Bob. I have been dying to hear this. She couldn't have picked a more appropriate song. The style is very much like Bjvrk's most recent album, Medulla. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:45:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc Hi, wondering if anyone saw this? How was it? Do you know if it will be re-broadcast? I always have alot of trouble catching the Hall of Fame ceremony shows, but when I do they are great! thx Em - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > If you don't have VH1 Classic, > _http://spinner.aol.com/rockhall/2007-induction-ceremony_ > (http://spinner.aol.com/rockhall/2007-induction-ceremony) > > watch it LIVE or on demand on AOL now > >


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AOL now offers > free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:09:23 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Rush fans (njc) You can now hear "Far Cry", the first single from the new album in its entirety at http://rush.com ! Victor NP: Rush "Far Cry" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:33:05 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc I missed it as well but it sounds like it was awesome. Van Halen was kind of a mess. David Lee Roth refused to show up, Eddie is in rehab, so the only members who came were Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony who was fired recently by Eddie before their tour that will probably never happen. REM reunited with Bill Berry for the occasion and Patti Smith performed a song for her deceased mother. Victor On Mar 13, 2007, at 7:45 AM, Em wrote: > Hi, wondering if anyone saw this? > How was it? > Do you know if it will be re-broadcast? > I always have alot of trouble catching the Hall of Fame ceremony > shows, > but when I do they are great! > thx > Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:50:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc > I missed it as well but it sounds like it was awesome. Van Halen was > kind of a mess. David Lee Roth refused to show up, Eddie is in > rehab, so the only members who came were Sammy Hagar and Michael > Anthony who was fired recently by Eddie before their tour that will > probably never happen. Time to move on, Victor :) REM reunited with Bill Berry for the occasion > and Patti Smith performed a song for her deceased mother. Patti ROCKED!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc it would be cool if they'd re-run it, say, Friday evening at 7. LOL, I can wish, right? :) Em - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > I missed it as well but it sounds like it was awesome. Van Halen was > > kind of a mess. David Lee Roth refused to show up, Eddie is in > rehab, so the only members who came were Sammy Hagar and Michael > Anthony who was fired recently by Eddie before their tour that will > probably never happen. REM reunited with Bill Berry for the occasion > > and Patti Smith performed a song for her deceased mother. > > Victor > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2007, at 7:45 AM, Em wrote: > > > Hi, wondering if anyone saw this? > > How was it? > > Do you know if it will be re-broadcast? > > I always have alot of trouble catching the Hall of Fame ceremony > > shows, > > but when I do they are great! > > thx > > Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:12:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc Jerry, was she solo, or with a/the band? I would have loved to see her with Patti Smith Group. (Lenny Kay and co) But solo would be great too. sigh....I hate it that I missed it. But what a f-ed up day to have it! Monday??? But I understand why.. its because no body has gigs or concerts on Mondays, so they can more likely COME. They schedule it for the rockers in attendance, not the viewers. I do get it. I hope they re-run it!!!!!!!!! :D Em - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > I missed it as well but it sounds like it was awesome. Van Halen > was > > kind of a mess. David Lee Roth refused to show up, Eddie is in > > rehab, so the only members who came were Sammy Hagar and Michael > > Anthony who was fired recently by Eddie before their tour that will > > probably never happen. > > Time to move on, Victor :) > > REM reunited with Bill Berry for the occasion > > and Patti Smith performed a song for her deceased mother. > > Patti ROCKED!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:40:18 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Neil Young live at Massey Hall (njc) Starbucks rocks! I was on my way to school this morning, thinking I probably wouldn't have time to get to Best Buy before they closed tonight as I have a couple of rehearsals. I walked into the downtown Starbucks to get some coffee (my usual morning routine) when I saw none other than the new Neil Young album Live at Massey Hall, staring at me from the counter. So I am listening to it now on my laptop and it is awesome...so crisp and clear and beautiful. Life is good. Victor NP: Neil Young- Old Man ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:49:01 -0400 From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc Patti ROCKED!!!!!!!! Yes she did!!! I am so sorry I missed her @ the Stone Pony a few weeks ago....it made me laugh when she reminisced about her Mom's last hours and her Mom asked,Tricia, did they ever save the Stone Pony?!? lol Yes, Patti replied.... - -----Original Message----- From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc > I missed it as well but it sounds like it was awesome. Van Halen was > kind of a mess. David Lee Roth refused to show up, Eddie is in > rehab, so the only members who came were Sammy Hagar and Michael > Anthony who was fired recently by Eddie before their tour that will > probably never happen. Time to move on, Victor :) REM reunited with Bill Berry for the occasion > and Patti Smith performed a song for her deceased mother. Patti ROCKED!!!!!!!! ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Neil Young live at Massey Hall (njc) ok how weird is this? After I read your post, Victor, I became envious, and went and downloaded the Massey Hall concert from iTunes. Listening to it now! cool.... BUT, then after I'd downloaded it and burned it, etc, and put it ion the iPod, and had closed iTunes, I get one of those emails from the iTunes store TELLING me about the Neil album. But I had already gotten it. *Almost* scary. :) What I love about this release is the crystal clear way you can hear his guitar work. If you could see it, it could serve as the reference standard for how to play Neil songs. Em - --- waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: > Starbucks rocks! I was on my way to school this morning, thinking I > probably wouldn't have time to get to Best Buy before they closed > tonight as I have a couple of rehearsals. I walked into the downtown > Starbucks to get some coffee (my usual morning routine) when I saw > none other than the new Neil Young album Live at Massey Hall, staring > at me from the counter. So I am listening to it now on my laptop and > it is awesome...so crisp and clear and beautiful. Life is good. > > Victor > > NP: Neil Young- Old Man ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:30:07 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc > it would be cool if they'd re-run it, say, Friday evening at 7. Or Friday evening at 8. On VH-1 Classic. I tuned in after it started. Neil Young was jamming with Page and Plant-it was awesome but may have been from a previous year-they were showing older clips throughout. Really nice film tribute to James Brown. Acceptance speeches that were unacceptably long! Paul Schaffer and band with Patti Smith, Lenny, K Richards, S Stills, Hagar for the finale "People Have The Power". Nothing against Hip-hop, but it IS the "rock & roll" hall of fame- does hip-hop belong there? Anyhoo, Grandmaster Flash became first h-h inductee. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:43:55 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Sherelle's CA Adventure NJC now Kate and Kakki exchanged (richly, seems to me!): I love it! >Since it has apparently become a popular trip with Sherelle and Victor I think we might start calling it the "Out of the City and Down to the Seashore" tour." ;-) < **** I love it, too. Applause, applause! And see, Kate? You should not have worried about LA being a tough act to follow. The City, and the Seashore. Both with charms to sway! I want to go on this tour, too. Where's the magic bus, magic bus? A double-decker bus. Hey, I know! Someone should start a jmdl California tour business. You know how they do the tours of Holllywood and the homes of the stars? Someone could run a tour of jmdler's homes. We could see the folks we dig! All the Ladies of the JMDL Canyon, and there must be at least sixteen gentlemen living in CA, too. I can think of a bunch of names, but I dare not start listing them, because then I'd forget someone, and then we'd both get soooooo blue. Love & Peace, Patti P. NPIMH: California _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN. Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:54:32 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: joni anecdote I was talking to my music theory professor, who is very cool by the way, a huge jazz fan among other genres and a Joni fan as well, and he also has a great sense of humor. I was telling him about the Word article and reiterated Randy's post about the hummer and FTR (which I am still laughing about) which he got a kick out of. Anyway, I got to the part where Joni talks about classical music and he said he values her opinion [about music other than her own] about as much as he would value a frog's opinion. I thought that was hilarious and am still laughing about it. He is a Debussy scholar, we were talking about him, and he told a story about Bela Bartok, who wanted to meet Debussy, after hearing his music and hearing so much about him. Apparently, as fabulous a musician as he [Debussy] was, he had a nasty disposition and acted like a jerk much of the time. When some friends told Bartok this, he said that just made him want to meet him even more. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:18:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc I think she belongs there. Seems some of the relationships of the inductees to actual "rock and roll" are pretty tangential. I'd say if hip hop is in there, and soul, and maybe a folkie or 2 then Joni's music - whatever it would be categorized as, as well as her *place* in the rock world - having penned "Woodstock", gets her in for sure. Plus she rocked a bit...thinking "ROR"? LA Express was a rockin' band from the footage I saw in WOHAM. Em - --- Smurf wrote: > Nothing against Joni, but does she belong there? For what? "In France > They Kiss on Main Street?" > > --Smurf > > NPIMH: "Amour, Mama, not cheap display . . ." > > > Randy rote: > Nothing > against Hip-hop, but it IS the "rock & roll" hall of fame- > does hip-hop belong there? > > > --------------------------------- > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:13:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions njc Nothing against Joni, but does she belong there? For what? "In France They Kiss on Main Street?" --Smurf NPIMH: "Amour, Mama, not cheap display . . ." Randy rote: Nothing against Hip-hop, but it IS the "rock & roll" hall of fame- does hip-hop belong there? - --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:44:37 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: J rejects feminism Excellent posts everyone! I am wondering if Joni innately resists the label of feminism (broadly defined) and the baggage that comes with it which may explain why she came up with statements that had her berate feminists as "too aggressive"? But I wonder who are the feminists she is up against here? Was she referring to Gloria Steinem, Jane Fonda and the bra-burning women who protested the power relations of gender politics in the late 60s-early 70s? Or was she referring to anyone who openly admit they are feminists and whose actions Joni find abrasive or uncouth? Sometimes I wonder if Joni finds more affinity with the early wave of feminism in the turn of the century and of Virginia Woolf who insist that women have a room of one's own. I view Joni's art, music and ideological slant as falling into the feminist label but understand that she may have issues with that label itself. Kinda resisting labels that can themselves imprison. Joseph enjoying "ghost town" Chapel Hill, np: Cassanda Wilson "Easy Rider" Marion Leffler a icrit : Yes, Kate, I understand that, myself being a woman of Joni's generation. After all, it is the women of that generation who started the second wave of feminism. Why Joni persists remarking on feminism in what I feel is a rather uninformed way is beyond me, especially since she seems to be living in a way any feminist would applaud. But I guess we all have our blind spots... Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Johnson" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: J rejects feminism >> There is one thing that puzzles me about her, though, and that is >> her constant >> rejection of feminism. In some interviews, she has said that >> feminists are >> "too aggressive". In the Word article, she repeats for the umptiest >> time that >> her music is raceless and genderless. And that it isn't "feminine". >> I think it >> is!! She certainly speaks with a woman's voice in all her lyrics, >> and how >> could she not? Anybody else baffled by this? >> >> Have a nice weekend, >> Marion > > I think she's got feminism and hatred of men mixed up in her mind. > She's always felt she was one of the boys ... and of course, since > males are considered superior in our culture and around the world (I > know, it's ridiculous, but there you have it), many women are pleased > to be identified with men. To be told you had a man's mind, or > thought like a man, was considered a compliment for a woman growing > up when Joni did, and earlier. > > Kate of the North! > (doesn't that just require an exclamation mark?) > http://xoetc.antville.org - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:52:07 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Subject: njc, TV alert: The Daily Show tonight I vow to perform this same ceremony at the White House after the current President has vacated it. > GUATEMALA CITY, Guatemala (CNN) -- Mayan Indian leaders have vowed to > "spiritually cleanse" an ancient site in Guatemala after U.S. > President > George W. Bush visits during his seven-day, five-nation tour of Latin > America........... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:05:02 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: RE : Re: J rejects feminism Well I had to go searching in the JMDL library for places where Joni "rejects" feminism to see what people are referring to. There is the very agenda-laden 'interview' by Ani Difranco which paints a picture of Joni based on Ani's premise that you're either a feminist or misogynist; there's no in between. (It made me laugh to imagine Ani trying to get Joni to cop to being a feminist, as if anyone could get Joni to say anything..." Other than that, I read that she doesn't label herself a feminist, though she has become more feminist over time. In another article she says, "Feminism was too divisive. It was us against them .. . but it did something to open things up. I hate the word but I like the idea of a person, that a man and a woman can sit and for one moment all of these sexual considerations are bypassed and you have an open dialogue from person to person. I have basically tried to live my life as a person in that way." In another article she mentioned liking 'some practical feminism' that was more about 'men and women discussing women's problems'. And in another: "Basically, I feel that a lot of strides were made in this country during the '60s--equal rights, feminism, freedom of speech, etc.--but under Reagan's new conservatism, much of that's being eroded and undone She may have narrower view of feminism than many would like. But I think she's getting a bad rap here. I am totally aware I sound like a Joni apologist and for that...I apologize ; ) Just trying to shed light on some of the complexity of the issue and what she has said about it in the past. Jenny On 3/13/07, Joseph Palis wrote: > > Excellent posts everyone! > > I am wondering if Joni innately resists the label of feminism (broadly > defined) and the baggage that comes with it which may explain why she came > up with statements that had her berate feminists as "too aggressive"? But I > wonder who are the feminists she is up against here? Was she referring to > Gloria Steinem, Jane Fonda and the bra-burning women who protested the power > relations of gender politics in the late 60s-early 70s? Or was she referring > to anyone who openly admit they are feminists and whose actions Joni find > abrasive or uncouth? > > Sometimes I wonder if Joni finds more affinity with the early wave of > feminism in the turn of the century and of Virginia Woolf who insist that > women have a room of one's own. > > I view Joni's art, music and ideological slant as falling into the > feminist label but understand that she may have issues with that label > itself. Kinda resisting labels that can themselves imprison. > > Joseph enjoying "ghost town" Chapel Hill, > np: Cassanda Wilson "Easy Rider" > > Marion Leffler a icrit : Yes, Kate, I understand > that, myself being a woman of Joni's generation. > After all, it is the women of that generation who started the second wave > of > feminism. Why Joni persists remarking on feminism in what I feel is a > rather > uninformed way is beyond me, especially since she seems to be living in a > way any feminist would applaud. But I guess we all have our blind > spots... > Marion > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kate Johnson" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:46 PM > Subject: J rejects feminism > > > >> There is one thing that puzzles me about her, though, and that is > >> her constant > >> rejection of feminism. In some interviews, she has said that > >> feminists are > >> "too aggressive". In the Word article, she repeats for the umptiest > >> time that > >> her music is raceless and genderless. And that it isn't "feminine". > >> I think it > >> is!! She certainly speaks with a woman's voice in all her lyrics, > >> and how > >> could she not? Anybody else baffled by this? > >> > >> Have a nice weekend, > >> Marion > > > > I think she's got feminism and hatred of men mixed up in her mind. > > She's always felt she was one of the boys ... and of course, since > > males are considered superior in our culture and around the world (I > > know, it's ridiculous, but there you have it), many women are pleased > > to be identified with men. To be told you had a man's mind, or > > thought like a man, was considered a compliment for a woman growing > > up when Joni did, and earlier. > > > > Kate of the North! > > (doesn't that just require an exclamation mark?) > > http://xoetc.antville.org > > > > --------------------------------- > Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions > ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des > internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:13:42 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Canadian SW Hall of Fame I watched the ceremony last night (thanks to mom or who lives in Michigan and gets CBC!). I admit I fast forwarded through anything that didn't have to do with Joni. The sweetest minutes began with JT's rendition of Woodstock and tribute to Joni, followed by Herbie Hancock's wonderful introduction - telling her she would have done Mingus proud had he lived to hear the record - and then Joni coming up and giving a shy and much too short speech (or was it edited for TV?). It was very moving. I wasn't expecting that. Funny though - the five songs that were inducted? Is it safe to say they are the songs that charted highest/made the most money? Both Sides Now Big Yellow Taxi You Turn Me On Help Me What was the 5th? Free Man? I guess that's the measure of a good song on the business side of things. Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:35:58 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Bra-burning feminsits--urban legend RE: Re: J rejects feminism SJC The existence of bra-burning feminists is an urban legend perpetrated by anti-feminist media. See: http://www.snopes.com/history/american/burnbra.htm The tendency for women like Joni to disavow feminism, when they are clearly feminists in the sense that they certainly believe in the political, social and economic equality of the sexes, is unfortunate. "Bra-burning feminism" is the late-sixties, early seventies equivalent of the noxious Rush Limbaugh's "feminazi" today. Susan Faludi in _Backlash_ gives the following account: "The first action of the new women's liberation movement to receive national front-page coverage was a protest of the Miss America pageant [in 1968]. Many feminist marches for jobs, pay equity, and coeducation had preceded it, but they didn't attract anywhere near the media attention. The reason the event got so much ink: a few women tossed padded brassieres in a trash can. No one actually burned a bra that day--as a journalist erroneously reported. In fact there's no evidence that any undergarment was ever so much as singed at any women's rights demonstration in the decade. (The only two such displays that came close were organized by _men_, a disk jocky and an architect, who tried to get women to fling their bras into a barrel and the Chicago River as 'media events.' Only three women cooperated in the river stunt--all models hired by the architect.) Yet to read the press accounts of the time, the bonfires of feminism nearly cremated the lingerie industry." (p.75) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Palis Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:45 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE : Re: J rejects feminism Excellent posts everyone! I am wondering if Joni innately resists the label of feminism (broadly defined) and the baggage that comes with it which may explain why she came up with statements that had her berate feminists as "too aggressive"? But I wonder who are the feminists she is up against here? Was she referring to Gloria Steinem, Jane Fonda and the bra-burning women who protested the power relations of gender politics in the late 60s-early 70s? Or was she referring to anyone who openly admit they are feminists and whose actions Joni find abrasive or uncouth? Sometimes I wonder if Joni finds more affinity with the early wave of feminism in the turn of the century and of Virginia Woolf who insist that women have a room of one's own. I view Joni's art, music and ideological slant as falling into the feminist label but understand that she may have issues with that label itself. Kinda resisting labels that can themselves imprison. Joseph enjoying "ghost town" Chapel Hill, np: Cassanda Wilson "Easy Rider" Marion Leffler a icrit : Yes, Kate, I understand that, myself being a woman of Joni's generation. After all, it is the women of that generation who started the second wave of feminism. Why Joni persists remarking on feminism in what I feel is a rather uninformed way is beyond me, especially since she seems to be living in a way any feminist would applaud. But I guess we all have our blind spots... Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Johnson" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: J rejects feminism >> There is one thing that puzzles me about her, though, and that is >> her constant >> rejection of feminism. In some interviews, she has said that >> feminists are >> "too aggressive". In the Word article, she repeats for the umptiest >> time that >> her music is raceless and genderless. And that it isn't "feminine". >> I think it >> is!! She certainly speaks with a woman's voice in all her lyrics, >> and how >> could she not? Anybody else baffled by this? >> >> Have a nice weekend, >> Marion > > I think she's got feminism and hatred of men mixed up in her mind. > She's always felt she was one of the boys ... and of course, since > males are considered superior in our culture and around the world (I > know, it's ridiculous, but there you have it), many women are pleased > to be identified with men. To be told you had a man's mind, or > thought like a man, was considered a compliment for a woman growing > up when Joni did, and earlier. > > Kate of the North! > (doesn't that just require an exclamation mark?) > http://xoetc.antville.org - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:56:09 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC now) Bra-burning feminsits--urban legend RE: Re: J rejects feminism > The existence of bra-burning feminists is an urban legend perpetrated by > anti-feminist media. Dammit! You mean, when I was trying to emulate newly liberated women, I burned all of my bras for nothing??? Shoot. ; ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:42:06 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young live at Massey Hall (njc) I'm listening to this album right now as well. So far so good! I got home from the store after work a bit ago. Right now I'm on Ohio and as much as I love the CSNY version (and would never give it up!) Ohio sounds real good all acoustic, all Neil. Just beautiful renditions so far. There is something other worldly about just a guitar and a voice when done right. It's also great to see certain songs pop up here before the studio albums were released. - -Monika NP: Ohio from Massey Hall


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:42:09 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: RE : Re: J rejects feminism I know in the book "On The Road with Bob Dylan" (which I've mentioned several times on this list now as Joni was on that '75 tour with Dylan and his people) the author who was also a journalist from Rolling Stone I believe if I remember correctly, told Joni she was "one of his three favorite female songwriters." He mentioned her, Baez, and Ronee Blakely as the others and said Dylan, Leonard Cohen, and someone else (I forget who exactly) were his three favorite male songwriters. Well if you haven't read the book then you don't know how badly she chews him out for that man! She can't understand why he makes a distinction between male and female writers and so forth. It took some time and some chatting before Joni was "cool" again with the author/journalist. But by the end of the book they were hanging and all was good. - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Canadian SW Hall of Fame Woodstock was the fifth song - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > I watched the ceremony last night (thanks to mom or who lives in Michigan > and gets CBC!). I admit I fast forwarded through anything that didn't have > to do with Joni. > > The sweetest minutes began with JT's rendition of Woodstock and tribute to > Joni, followed by Herbie Hancock's wonderful introduction - telling her she > would have done Mingus proud had he lived to hear the record - and then Joni > coming up and giving a shy and much too short speech (or was it edited for > TV?). It was very moving. I wasn't expecting that. > > Funny though - the five songs that were inducted? Is it safe to say they > are the songs that charted highest/made the most money? > Both Sides Now > Big Yellow Taxi > You Turn Me On > Help Me > > What was the 5th? Free Man? I guess that's the measure of a good song on > the business side of things. Jenny > - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:50:19 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: On critics Well, so Joni seems very sensitive when it comes to critics and really I can't blame her. I can only imagine having people bashing you over and over with work that you truly put your heart into. So here are some words for Joni from a friend (not me, I don't know her! As sung by Neil Young.....) "So all you critics sit alone You're no better than me for what you've shown. With your stomach pump and your hook and ladder dreams We could get together for some scenes" - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: ATTENTION: LURKERS ON DIGEST Subject: CBC-TV dvd of Joni's induction into the CSHOF and her McGill doctorate Michael O'Malley's off-the-air dvd arrived Monday (thank you Michael. It was great to watch these highlights in Joan's life from this year and last!) and I've already burned and mailed 35 copies. I've still got 15 copies for those of you who want one. All you need do is email me offlist with your mailing address, and I'll send you a copy. So come on, speak up. It's video you really want to see. And it's my way of giving back to this community. thanks, Brian - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:24:09 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: Message from Website Please copy Lori on any responses. - -----Original Message----- the song The Circle Game was used in a movie - in the late 80's or early 90's - can anyone advise what the name of that movie was? the song was at the end of the movie while the parents were watching their children at a school recital or something similar.....any ideas???? Name: Lori Wheeler email: lauron@mountaincable.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:21:13 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Joni and Feminism, Paz report, Jonifest Hey JMDListas, Jonifesterers and friends, Please forgive the multiple content of this mailing - I thought I would kill all birds with one stone since I have been unable to post for awhile... Joni Content--My take on Joni and feminism: To quote Mahatma Gandhi, "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." Joni is simply living it, being it. Some people have an aversion to having themselves defined and limited by any group's dogma (or catma, to be fair). Segue...To Jonifest I was trying to earn some money for my trip by cleaning houses, and while wiping down a bathroom mirror, I slipped and hit my back on the edge of a bathtub. I will now be driving from Seattle to Jonifest with a broken rib. Now is that not one of the saddest stories you've ever heard? ChuckE, if I can do it, so can you! BTW, if anyone would like to contribute to my travel fund (thanks again ChuckE), I would appreciate anything you can donate. In exchange, I will give you a lovely prize from my Joni collection. The biggest donor gets first pick. Write me off-list and I'll give you my address. I think I'll be driving I-90, so if anyone lives close to that highway and can provide even a driveway to park my car in so I can get a safe night's sleep, I would love to hear from you. Also, if anyone has recommendations for a better route, let me know. P.S. I would love to join the songwriters group. I'm a recovering graduate of the University of Washington in English/Creative Writing. I've written tons of short stories and published a couple of poems, but I have trouble writing songs -- they're an entirely different animal. I need help breaking away from the sentence and the complete thought, but I think I can bring something to the gathering! Double Segue...Belated Paz Report: I heard that Michael and the Preservation Hall Jazz Band were coming to Seattle, so I thought it would be a great opportunity to meet him and welcome him to the Emerald City. Sadly, I turned out to be a rather dorky welcome hostess. The night before the concert, I got lost (in my own dang city) trying to meet him for a wind-down Seattle seafood dinner after his long tour bus ride from Arizona. He ended up having to find me, and also find a restaurant before he starved to death. He remained ever gracious. The next evening, Michael got me a great seat for the band's concert at the Paramount, and the experience surpassed all of my expectations. The venue was set up with table seating on the floor and balcony seats above. The band was great, and I happened to get seated next to two young girls who didn't care that I was an old fart. The three of us went up to the front of the stage and started dancing, and pretty soon, more joined us. At the end, in New Orleans style, a whole group of audience members came up and formed a dancing chain. We wove through every aisle in the hall and finally ended up on stage behind the band, dancing our fool heads off. Then out came the beads and coins, and it was Mardi Gras! Post-concert, we went to one of the band-member's room in the quite swanky Hyatt Hotel, and had some snackage. I successfully de-tuned Michael's guitar to my "Coyote" tuning. I wonder if he was ever able to fix it. Anyway, thank you Michael for giving me a great experience in my city. You were the true host, and I was a lucky guest. Thanks, Jill __,_._,___ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #112 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------