From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #110 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 12 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 110 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #108 [Snapple1984@aol.com] luciani souza pablo neruda [frednow@aol.com] Sherelle's CA Adventure and Joni's Voice [] judy collins both sides now PBS audio [frednow@aol.com] Re: Joni and the Crips [Catherine McKay ] Last chance!! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: Joni and the Crips [Jerry Notaro ] Re: answer for songwriters [Dflahm@aol.com] Joni and Feminism [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni and the Crips [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #108 [Jerry Notaro ] Bjork's "Boho Dance" [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni and Feminism [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Joni and Feminism [Jerry Notaro ] NJC Jarret [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: NJC Jarret [Catherine McKay ] Bonne Anniversaire, Monsieur Taylor! ["Patti Parlette" ] Amy Winehouse -- njc [Smurf ] Misc Music News njc ["Randy Remote" ] Joni pics and that Word article ["Azeem Ali Khan" ] Re: Misc Music News njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: J rejects feminism ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Re: Misc Music News njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Misc Music News njc ["Randy Remote" ] RE: Misc Music News njc [Les Irvin ] Re: J rejects feminism ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: njc, Musical Torture ["L. Bruce Vaughn" ] Re: njc, Musical Torture [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Misc Music News njc [Motitan@aol.com] Neil Young fans NJC [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Joni pics and that Word article ["L. Bruce Vaughn" ] Re: NJC Jarret [missblux@googlemail.com] more on The Word article ["Patti Parlette" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:06:23 EDT From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #108 Well this conversation of Joni's femininity is really surprising to me, because before I started listening to her, I was under the impression that she was basically uber-feminine. After listening to her music, I think one can make more of an argument in that vein in the early years, but I think that's quite a strong argument. I mean, Joni gets away with a level of introspection that a man - at that time - would not have. Indeed, she has frequently been accused of being self-indulgent in her writing and there exists an image out there of Joni as a whiny, teen-angst type of artist. This is what I thought of Joni before I started listening to her and it's part of the reason I didn't want to like her at first. Maybe I've got it all wrong, but sometimes when I'm listening to her music, I do actually get a bit annoyed that she seems so obssessed with men. "strung out on another man," as it were. Then again, I have a lot of reservations in that area and am probably still clinging to the rather immature idea that being in love with a man and depending on him is weak. But come on, some of her songs would never be written by a man, either because men don't feel that way or because if they do, they're too afraid to show it. The ones that come to mind off the top of my head are River, Same Situation and Where I Stand - "braiding wildflowers and beads in my hair," I mean I know that's only a superficial thing but I think in Joni's early years she really did uphold the image of a Nordic hippie Goddess. - - Kira


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:13:03 -0400 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: luciani souza pablo neruda Sorry again, more random comments on threads past not having read more than a few posts, but I had to second the emotion for Luciana Souza's album of Pablo Neruda poetry, not the least of which because of the wonderful pianist Ed Simon (sound alike name, but no relation). All best, Fred http://myspace.com/fredsimon ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:24:46 -0700 From: Subject: Sherelle's CA Adventure and Joni's Voice Kate, Since it has apparently become a popular trip with Sherelle and Victor I think we might start calling it the "Out of the City and Down to the Seashore" tour." ;-) (Or maybe from Blade Runner to Escape from Blade Runner to the Pastures of Heaven like where they went at the end of that movie) I'm sure Sherelle thought she was in heaven up in your environment. I'm so glad she got to see the old tavern - what a place! I'm not surprised it has not changed at all from its stagecoach stop days. It is a very special place, especially with the quality of live music that regularly plays there. As far as your perception of Joni's speaking voice - you thought of something that never occured to me. Yes, her voice in person IS very sweet and musical - - not at all like one would expect her to sound after years of smoking. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:44:25 -0400 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: judy collins both sides now PBS audio I'm looking for an audio file of Judy Collins singing Both Sides Now in the PBS special This Land Is Your Land. Very nice version, kind of Methenyesque ... Judy sounds great, very elastic back-phrasing. If anyone has this, I'd really appreciate an email with audio attached. Thanks in advance, Fred http://myspace.com/fredsimon ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:17:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni and the Crips - --- kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: > Randy, Randy - that is the funniest post of the > day!! I can just picture it > like a scene in a movie LOL! A Hummer full of > gangstas blasting FTR out the > windows might just help bring a bit of world peace > to the mean streets of L.A. > I am not entirely joking here! Joni's original > convoluted musings on the > subject just may have a real good point underneath > it all when you think it > through ;-) > As I read this, I just *heard* FTR in my head hip-hop style. Man's voice rapping, woman's voice in background wailing the vocals. I think it could work. Somebody call Timbaland. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:25:41 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Last chance!! This is the last chance top order Jonifest mugs, t-shirts, etc. All orders must be in by Wednesday, March 14th. _http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/store.cfm_ (http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/store.cfm) Hugs, Ashara


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:05:38 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and the Crips P.M. Dawn are huge Joni fans. I know Bob likes them. I met them and saw them perform at Joni's Jazz and they played a club here a few weeks ago. I went to see them and they were very impressed that there were Joni fans there. They did a very credible Free Man In Paris at Joni's Jazz and an unlikely choice given the supposed lyrical meanings. Just shows to go ya. Jerry > --- kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: > >> Randy, Randy - that is the funniest post of the >> day!! I can just picture it >> like a scene in a movie LOL! A Hummer full of >> gangstas blasting FTR out the >> windows might just help bring a bit of world peace >> to the mean streets of L.A. >> I am not entirely joking here! Joni's original >> convoluted musings on the >> subject just may have a real good point underneath >> it all when you think it >> through ;-) >> > > As I read this, I just *heard* FTR in my head hip-hop > style. Man's voice rapping, woman's voice in > background wailing the vocals. I think it could work. > > Somebody call Timbaland. > > > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> - - > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:01:19 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: answer for songwriters FWIW, I completely agree with that, Fred. DAVID LAHM


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:25:05 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni and Feminism Great post, Kia. This list does "somehow" attract such bright people :) I think this is a case of what Joni means by feminist, and a bit of ego. Joni is without question a feminist in word and action. And she is one of the few who has attracted a universal fan base for her feminist art. What she is not is a feminist activist in that she is active in some self identified social organization (like NOW), but that does not make her not a feminist. Now the ego part. Joni has rarely shared the mantle of the success of her talent or resulting art with anyone; not her parents, coworkers, contemporaries, lovers, children, husband, fans, etc. That is her right, but she shouldn't deny their contributions. The same may be said about her undeniable feminism, and those feminist activists who, whether she admits it or not, did pave the way for her opportunities and popularity. Jerry > Well this conversation of Joni's femininity is really surprising to me, > because before I started listening to her, I was under the impression that she > was basically uber-feminine. After listening to her music, I think one can > make more of an argument in that vein in the early years, but I think that's > quite a strong argument. I mean, Joni gets away with a level of > introspection > that a man - at that time - would not have. Indeed, she has frequently been > accused of being self-indulgent in her writing and there exists an image out > there of Joni as a whiny, teen-angst type of artist. This is what I thought > of Joni before I started listening to her and it's part of the reason I > didn't > want to like her at first. Maybe I've got it all wrong, but sometimes when > I'm listening to her music, I do actually get a bit annoyed that she seems so > obssessed with men. "strung out on another man," as it were. Then again, I > have a lot of reservations in that area and am probably still clinging to > the rather immature idea that being in love with a man and depending on him > is > weak. But come on, some of her songs would never be written by a man, either > because men don't feel that way or because if they do, they're too afraid to > show it. The ones that come to mind off the top of my head are River, Same > Situation and Where I Stand - "braiding wildflowers and beads in my hair," I > mean I know that's only a superficial thing but I think in Joni's early years > she really did uphold the image of a Nordic hippie Goddess. > > - Kira >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:52:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Crips Indeed, and the last studio work they put out coincides with the year that Joni did - 1998! I guess they've gone their separate ways by now. But I've got all their stuff and love it. They sampled a couple Joni songs (I Had A King and DITS) and also did a cover of Night In The City for the Case of Joni tribute that never made it off the shelf. Luckily they released it as a single and we've got it in our collection. Not that it matters, but hopefully she realizes that the overwhelming majority of her fans and artists that record her songs are not black. Bob NP: The Alarm, "Sold Me Down The River" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:59:06 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #108 I > mean I know that's only a superficial thing but I think in Joni's early years > she really did uphold the image of a Nordic hippie Goddess. Uphold it? She WAS it! Jerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:45:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Bjork's "Boho Dance" You can hear it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddtp5zvrX1c Bob NP: Bjork, "The Boho Dance" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:01:52 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Feminism Jerry, you wrote: "Now the ego part. Joni has rarely shared the mantle of the success of her talent or resulting art with anyone; not her parents, coworkers, contemporaries, lovers, children, husband, fans, etc. That is her right, but she shouldn't deny their contributions." Would you say, though, that she has acknowleged what she has learned and gained from other musicians (mostly the jazz guys)? DAVID LAHM


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:34:35 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Feminism Yes. They, and her art teacher, are among the few she has acknowledged for inspiration. But again, not for result or product or success. Jerry > Jerry, you wrote: > > "Now the ego part. Joni has rarely shared the mantle of the success > of her talent or resulting art with anyone; not her parents, coworkers, > contemporaries, lovers, children, husband, fans, etc. That is her right, but > she shouldn't deny their contributions." > > Would you say, though, that she has acknowleged what she has learned and > gained from other musicians (mostly the jazz guys)? > > DAVID LAHM > > >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:54:48 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC Jarret Victor said:.... I've also been listening to a lot of Keith Jarret lately and one of my professors (piano department) told me he has a reputation for being very difficult to work with as far as his personality. Knowing that, I still like his playing as much as I did before. Me: I looked him up on WIkipedia because I thought I had heard that he had a nervous breakdown at some point - but it turned out to be chronique fatigue syndrome. In any case, Wiki has an entire section dedicated to "idiosyncrasies", so there you go. Bene In a bright state of mind today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Jarret - --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Me: I looked him up [Keith Jarret] on WIkipedia because I thought I > had heard that he > had a nervous breakdown at some point - but it > turned out to be > chronique fatigue syndrome. In any case, Wiki has an > entire section > dedicated to "idiosyncrasies", so there you go. when you come right down to it, there probably is no such thing as "normal" after all. I think we all have these quirks and creative people seem to have them more than the so-called "normal" people. I'm sure it's all part of how our brains are all so different, with different people learning in different ways, and those that don't fit the standard being labelled as "learning disabled". The more we know and understand about this stuff, the more prepared we can all be for "getting" people who may come across as a bit weird - it certainly makes life more interesting. And they keep finding new viruses or bacteria to explain certain illnesses that formerly we thought was all people's heads. > > In a bright state of mind today > Interesting you should say that because I feel really positive today for the first time in a long time, after feeling like there was a heavy weight on my forehead for quite a while. I wonder if it's the weather - but you're on the other side of the world from me and I doubt we've got the same weather. Today I've got a wonderful feeling, everything's going my way, and I am not about to question that! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:11:04 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Bonne Anniversaire, Monsieur Taylor! Bonjour, Joniami(e)s: Just popping in from the workplace with quick happy 59th birthday wishes to Sweet Baby James. Merci beaucoup for your wonderful tribute to Joni recently -- tu parles tres bien le francais. C'etait formidable! (You speak French very well. That was fantastic!) Oh, and good news for JT fans in the UK. I just checked jamestaylor.com and see that he is going to be performing across the pond in April.....lots of dates and places. Love & peace, Patti P. NPIMH: Secret 'O Life The secret of life is enjoying the passage of time Any fool can do it There aint nothing to it Nobody knows how we got to The top of the hill But since were on our way down We might as well enjoy the ride The secret of love is in opening up your heart Its okay to feel afraid But dont let that stand in your way cause anyone knows that love is the only road And since were only here for a while Might as well show some style Give us a smile Isnt it a lovely ride Sliding down Gliding down Try not to try too hard Its just a lovely ride Now the thing about time is that time Isnt really real Its just your point of view How does it feel for you Einstein said he could never understand it all Planets spinning through space The smile upon your face Welcome to the human race Some kind of lovely ride Ill be sliding down Ill be gliding down Try not to try too hard Its just a lovely ride Isnt it a lovely ride Sliding down Gliding down Try not to try too hard Its just a lovely ride _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:46:45 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: J rejects feminism > There is one thing that puzzles me about her, though, and that is > her constant > rejection of feminism. In some interviews, she has said that > feminists are > "too aggressive". In the Word article, she repeats for the umptiest > time that > her music is raceless and genderless. And that it isn't "feminine". > I think it > is!! She certainly speaks with a woman's voice in all her lyrics, > and how > could she not? Anybody else baffled by this? > > Have a nice weekend, > Marion I think she's got feminism and hatred of men mixed up in her mind. She's always felt she was one of the boys ... and of course, since males are considered superior in our culture and around the world (I know, it's ridiculous, but there you have it), many women are pleased to be identified with men. To be told you had a man's mind, or thought like a man, was considered a compliment for a woman growing up when Joni did, and earlier. Kate of the North! (doesn't that just require an exclamation mark?) http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Amy Winehouse -- njc I love her. I just started listening to her this weekend and can't stop. --Smurf NP: "Amy, Amy, Amy" by Amy Winehouse Attracts me, till it hurts to concentrate, Distract me, stop me doin work I hate Just to show him how it feels; I walk past his desk in heels One leg resting on the chair From the side he pulls my hair. Amy Amy Amy Although I've been here before Amy Amy Amy You're just to hard to ignore Masculine you spin a spell I think you'd wear me well Amy Amy Amy Where's my moral parallel It takes me half an hour to write a verse He makes me imagine it from bad to worse My weakness from the other sex Every time his shoulders flex The way the shirt hangs off his back My train of thought spins right off track Amy Amy Amy Although I've been here before Amy Amy Amy He's just too hard to ignore Masculine he spins a spell I think he'd wear me well Amy Amy Amy Wheres my moral parallel His own style, right down to his Deisel jeans Immobile, I can't think by any means Underwear peeks out the top I'll let you know where you should stop From the picture my mind drew I know I'd look good on you Amy Amy Amy Although I've been here before Amy Amy Amy Your just too hard to ignore Masculine you spin a spell I think you'd wear me well Amy Amy Amy Where's my moral parallel Creative energy abused All my lyrics go unused When I clock black hair blue eyes I drift off I fantasize Amy Amy Amy Although I've been here before Amy Amy Amy He's just to hard to ignore Masculine he spins a spell I think he'd wear me well Amy Amy Amy Where's my morel parallel Amy Amy Amy Although I've been here before Amy Amy Amy He's just too hard to ignore Masculine he spins a spell I think he'd wear me well Amy Amy Amy Where's my moral parallel . - --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:41:29 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Misc Music News njc Michael Jackson is negotiating to reunite with the rest of the Jackson 5 for 250 shows in Las Vegas over a 3 year stretch. Other supposed plans include a Michael Jackson theme park, casino, hotel and stadium. The estate of Jimi Hendrix is suing Absolute Vodka for unauthorized use of Jimi's image to promote their product. Eddie Van Halen has checked himself into rehab because he feels he is not in good enough shape for the planned Van Halen reunion. REM are working on a new album. Courtney Love is being sued for stiffing a rehab center she attended for $180,000 for her 3 month stay in 2005. Tomorrow Neil Young will release a 1971 solo concert CD/DVD, "Live at Massey Hall"(avail as CD only, too). Two clips from the DVD are here: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21361038-5006123,00.html Additional clips on Amazon & Neil's official website. Starbucks is starting their own record label, and are talking to Paul McCartney about releasing his next one. Yoko Ono has blocked the showing of a film of John Lennon from 1970 made by her former husband Tony Cox. Red Breasted Stranger: Willie Nelson and Mariah Carey have written a song together for her next movie. John Popper (Blues Traveler) was popped for speeding, cops found pot and 13 guns in the car, along with a taser and night vision goggles. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:44:49 +0000 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Joni pics and that Word article This is from the Word's website, or rather, that's where I found this link. I hadn't seen most of these pics before. http://www.cbc.ca/photogallery/arts/263/ Back to the word article, and chiming in on the bit about Crips liking her music: it's one thing to make the statement she did, which may well be true; it's another to equate herself with downtrodden people of different stripes, as she does, quite explicitly, in the interview. At different points she - - compares being interviewed by VH1 with people being tortured in the Vietnam war! - - says that her royalties from Blue were "N-word wages!" - - says that she was treated as a "slave" Joni, a sense of proportion, pur-lease! It's not as if she's one of those Blues artists who really *were* hung out to dry by the Business, many of them ending up dying penniless, some homeless. Sorry, I know *I'm* banging on about this now, but I really feel that she's not doing herself any credit with statements like these. Oh, by the way, I was pleasantly surprised to see that a couple of lines I wrote about Martha Wainwright on the Word website ages ago have actually made it into the magazine! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:52:22 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Musical Torture Here's a snippet from an article in the Chronicle of Higher Education (March 16, 2007) that just crossed my desk: Instruments of Torture By SIERRA MILLMAN If you think you're sick of Christina Aguilera's music, just be glad you're not Detainee 063. As part of a 50-day interrogation of the accused terrorist at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, Mohammed al-Qahtani was repeatedly awakened at midnight either with water poured over his head or the songs of Ms. Aguilera blared in his ears. The Society for Ethnomusicology approved a position paper last month against the use of music as a form of torture http://webdb.iu.edu/sem/scripts/aboutus/aboutsem/positionstatements/position_statement_torture.cfm **** That's all you can read at http://chronicle.com/weekly/v53/i28/28a00803.htm w/out a password. When I first read this I just had to laugh, cause it's all so crazy (they mentioned Eminem and Metallica and Barney & Friends), but then I saw the deeper meaning and it made me so sad. The very sight of the word "torture" flips me out. I think it's time we stop, Hey, what's that sound, Everybody look what's going down. Peace, Patti P. NPIMH: A dream that the wars are done A dream that you tell no one but the grey sea They'll say that you're crazy _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:04:11 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Misc Music News njc Randy, I just love your Misc Music posts. BTW, I was at that Neil Young Massey Hall concert. Massey Hall (named after Raymond Massey's family, btw) was a great site, the find of place quickly disappearing in our modern society. I listened to some preview cuts online and they are miraculous. I hope some early Joni live surfaces someday with such quality. Jerry > Michael Jackson is negotiating to reunite with the rest of > the Jackson 5 for 250 shows in Las Vegas over a 3 year > stretch. Other supposed plans include a Michael Jackson > theme park, casino, hotel and stadium. > The estate of Jimi Hendrix is suing Absolute Vodka for > unauthorized use of Jimi's image to promote their product. > Eddie Van Halen has checked himself into rehab because > he feels he is not in good enough shape for the planned > Van Halen reunion. > REM are working on a new album. > Courtney Love is being sued for stiffing a rehab center she > attended for $180,000 for her 3 month stay in 2005. > Tomorrow Neil Young will release a 1971 solo concert > CD/DVD, "Live at Massey Hall"(avail as CD only, too). > Two clips from the DVD are here: > http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21361038-5006123,00.html > Additional clips on Amazon & Neil's official website. > Starbucks is starting their own record label, and are > talking to Paul McCartney about releasing his next one. > Yoko Ono has blocked the showing of a film of John Lennon > from 1970 made by her former husband Tony Cox. > Red Breasted Stranger: Willie Nelson and Mariah Carey > have written a song together for her next movie. > John Popper (Blues Traveler) was popped for speeding, > cops found pot and 13 guns in the car, along with a taser > and night vision goggles. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:00:22 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: J rejects feminism I can't speak to Joni's rejection of feminism in prior interviews, but in this interview I think she's addressing a different issue entirely. She reiterated that one of the highest compliments she received was that her music was raceless and genderless. She set out in later years to write music that didn't have a feminine perspective. It was important to her. She also mentioned that she was inspired by composers to make beautiful music that was neither masculine or feminine. What I hear is that she sets out to create music that is universal (and timeless, but that's another discussion). I think that's a lofty and admirable goal. I don't see it as rejection but inclusion. She didn't say she sets out to write masculine music. It may be that she rejects feminism too, but that's not what I read from this text. As for Joni harping on the same issues with regards to the music industry, take it in context of some of the questions she was asked: "Are you frustrated by this lack of recognition for work that has got better as its sales have declined?" "Why do you hate critics so much?" "You announced in 2002 that you were sick of the cesspool that passed for the record business and that you'd had enough of it. Forever. So what changed your mind? " "What made you quit?" "Was there any particular event that sparked those nightmares?" I'd be hard pressed to answer these without sounding like I was griping. I'm sure she would've gotten around to bashing the music biz even without being prompted, but at this point it's kind of a vicious circle. She has a reputation and so interviewers obviously want to ask her about her feelings on the subject over and over again. Jenny On 3/12/07, Kate Johnson wrote: > > > There is one thing that puzzles me about her, though, and that is > > her constant > > rejection of feminism. In some interviews, she has said that > > feminists are > > "too aggressive". In the Word article, she repeats for the umptiest > > time that > > her music is raceless and genderless. And that it isn't "feminine". > > I think it > > is!! She certainly speaks with a woman's voice in all her lyrics, > > and how > > could she not? Anybody else baffled by this? > > > > Have a nice weekend, > > Marion > > I think she's got feminism and hatred of men mixed up in her mind. > She's always felt she was one of the boys ... and of course, since > males are considered superior in our culture and around the world (I > know, it's ridiculous, but there you have it), many women are pleased > to be identified with men. To be told you had a man's mind, or > thought like a man, was considered a compliment for a woman growing > up when Joni did, and earlier. > > Kate of the North! > (doesn't that just require an exclamation mark?) > http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:37:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Misc Music News njc Actually I went to the concert hoping to see Joni there, and in hopes she might perform. That kind of thing happened a lot back then. Much more spontaneous. I was shocked how intimate and personal his performance was. Jerry > From: "Jerry Notaro" >> Randy, >> I just love your Misc Music posts. BTW, I was at that Neil Young Massey >> Hall >> concert. Massey Hall (named after Raymond Massey's family, btw) was a >> great >> site, the find of place quickly disappearing in our modern society. I >> listened to some preview cuts online and they are miraculous. I hope some >> early Joni live surfaces someday with such quality. > > Thanks-the news is condensed from the e-letter "Punmaster's > Music News". The Massey Hall release looks like a great one- > you were lucky to be there at such a pivital moment in Neil's > carreer. I wonder if his song "Sweet Joni" will ever be released. > According to one fansite, it was only performed once, and of > course, was on the famous and oft-renamed bootleg "Young > Man's Fancy". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:32:15 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Misc Music News njc From: "Jerry Notaro" > Randy, > I just love your Misc Music posts. BTW, I was at that Neil Young Massey > Hall > concert. Massey Hall (named after Raymond Massey's family, btw) was a > great > site, the find of place quickly disappearing in our modern society. I > listened to some preview cuts online and they are miraculous. I hope some > early Joni live surfaces someday with such quality. Thanks-the news is condensed from the e-letter "Punmaster's Music News". The Massey Hall release looks like a great one- you were lucky to be there at such a pivital moment in Neil's carreer. I wonder if his song "Sweet Joni" will ever be released. According to one fansite, it was only performed once, and of course, was on the famous and oft-renamed bootleg "Young Man's Fancy". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:57:26 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Misc Music News njc >I wonder if [Neil Young's] song "Sweet Joni" will ever be released. >According to one fansite, it was only performed once, and of >course, was on the famous and oft-renamed bootleg "Young >Man's Fancy". And, oddly, included on the Joni boot "Second Fret Sets" as well. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:48:23 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: J rejects feminism Yes, Kate, I understand that, myself being a woman of Joni's generation. After all, it is the women of that generation who started the second wave of feminism. Why Joni persists remarking on feminism in what I feel is a rather uninformed way is beyond me, especially since she seems to be living in a way any feminist would applaud. But I guess we all have our blind spots... Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Johnson" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: J rejects feminism >> There is one thing that puzzles me about her, though, and that is >> her constant >> rejection of feminism. In some interviews, she has said that >> feminists are >> "too aggressive". In the Word article, she repeats for the umptiest >> time that >> her music is raceless and genderless. And that it isn't "feminine". >> I think it >> is!! She certainly speaks with a woman's voice in all her lyrics, >> and how >> could she not? Anybody else baffled by this? >> >> Have a nice weekend, >> Marion > > I think she's got feminism and hatred of men mixed up in her mind. > She's always felt she was one of the boys ... and of course, since > males are considered superior in our culture and around the world (I > know, it's ridiculous, but there you have it), many women are pleased > to be identified with men. To be told you had a man's mind, or > thought like a man, was considered a compliment for a woman growing > up when Joni did, and earlier. > > Kate of the North! > (doesn't that just require an exclamation mark?) > http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:55:43 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: njc, Musical Torture He got off easy. Could have been worse. He could have been assaulted by the "music" (and I use that term loosely) of Britney Spears. > Here's a snippet from an article in the Chronicle of Higher Education > (March 16, 2007) that just crossed my desk: > > Instruments of Torture > By SIERRA MILLMAN > > If you think you're sick of Christina Aguilera's music, just be glad > you're not Detainee 063. As part of a 50-day interrogation of the > accused terrorist at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, Mohammed > al-Qahtani was repeatedly awakened at midnight either with water > poured over his head or the songs of Ms. Aguilera blared in his ears. > > The Society for Ethnomusicology approved a position paper last month > against the use of music as a form of torture > > http://webdb.iu.edu/sem/scripts/aboutus/aboutsem/positionstatements/position_statement_torture.cfm > > > **** > > That's all you can read at > http://chronicle.com/weekly/v53/i28/28a00803.htm w/out a password. > > When I first read this I just had to laugh, cause it's all so crazy > (they mentioned Eminem and Metallica and Barney & Friends), but then I > saw the deeper meaning and it made me so sad. The very sight of the > word "torture" flips me out. > > I think it's time we stop, > Hey, what's that sound, > Everybody look what's going down. > > Peace, > > Patti P. > > NPIMH: > > A dream that the wars are done > A dream that you tell no one but the grey sea > They'll say that you're crazy > > _________________________________________________________________ > Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a > month. Intro*Terms > https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:09:14 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Musical Torture Lord knows I would make up lies just to have them turn Christina Aguilera off! I would admit to anything! - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:43:45 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Misc Music News njc I'm so excited for the Live At Massey Hall cd. I read a review for it in Entertainment Weekly but the magazine was complaining that it was all acoustic, that certain songs should remain electric, and that some of the songs were a work in progress. I don't see anything wrong with anything like that. After reading that I was going on about why someone wouldn't want to hear a song while it was being worked on, why someone wouldn't want to hear some songs acoustic, and mainly why you wouldn't want to hear songs sound different than the albums. If I want to hear the song absolutely the same I'll pick up the studio album. My sister responded to me with, "but that's for the diehard fans....casual fans don't want that." - -Monika, buying the Neil Young cd directly after work tomorrow....and throwing it on in the car on the way home!


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:46:50 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: Joni pics and that Word article Azeem, I would highly agree with your statement about the blues artists. They and the jazz artists are always the first ones to get the shaft every time a label decides it's roster cleaning time. They've always been generally underpaid and under appreciated by the major labels. They don't sell a lot of "units" so they aren't considered money makers and artistry goes right out the window when the word GREED appears. Warners dumped a ton of them back in 2004 when they were screaming about their financial woes and dropped 2/3's of their artist roster... Now all of the sudden they have billions to try and buy EMI (I think this is the 3rd attempt)? What's wrong with this scenario??? Joni's carping about the music industry I tend to find both real and sometimes amusing. Yes, she's been shafted but most anyone who has dealt with the major labels has at one time or another. Partially it's her own fault in that if she feels she was so wrongly treated she should have thought about her manager, lawyer, and/or accountant and fired their asses. Joni's spent nearly her entire career associated with Warners labels (even Geffen was distributed by Warners when she signed with them) and as the late Frank Zappa once said he wasn't worried about hell as he'd spent 20 years on Warner Brothers in an interview during the "Tipper Gore censorship" battles. I do hope she and her management find a good independent label to sign with but there aren't many left. When the message came through that they were label shopping I had this hope that they'd find a label like Concord that will allow her artistic freedom, treat her decently and has a pretty decent yet small catalogue of work to their credit (the last Dionne Warwick was a rare misstep on their part). We're not likely to see or hear this new album until she does find somewhere she feels comfortable. I always enjoy reading or listening to anything Joni has to say whether I agree with it or not. She speaks her mind and tends to point out a lot of the irony of the world we live in. All I can say is You Go Girl! and don't let the power mongers shut you up. Big thanks to all involved in getting the article scanned so we could all share! Bruce in AZ >This is from the Word's website, or rather, that's where I found this link. >I hadn't seen most of these pics before. > >http://www.cbc.ca/photogallery/arts/263/ > >Back to the word article, and chiming in on the bit about Crips liking her >music: it's one thing to make the statement she did, which may well be true; >it's another to equate herself with downtrodden people of different stripes, >as she does, quite explicitly, in the interview. At different points she > >- compares being interviewed by VH1 with people being tortured in the >Vietnam war! >- says that her royalties from Blue were "N-word wages!" >- says that she was treated as a "slave" > >Joni, a sense of proportion, pur-lease! > >It's not as if she's one of those Blues artists who really *were* hung out >to dry by the Business, many of them ending up dying penniless, some >homeless. Sorry, I know *I'm* banging on about this now, but I really feel >that she's not doing herself any credit with statements like these. > >Oh, by the way, I was pleasantly surprised to see that a couple of lines I >wrote about Martha Wainwright on the Word website ages ago have actually >made it into the magazine! > >Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:21:44 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: sneak preview - CSHOF Gala photos Really nice fotos Michael thanks for sharing. Paz NP-Paranoid (Julian on Guitar) On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:41 PM, Dr. Katherine Whited wrote: Michael I captured a few nice shots of Joni and guests KW Yes you did. Thanks for sharing them. I sure like her jewelry and dress. On 3/11/07, Michael O'Malley wrote: > > I captured a few nice shots of Joni and guests from the DVD that I > recorded > of the CSHOF Gala, which aired on CBC-TV March 5. > > Thanks to Brian Gross, there will be copies of this DVD circulating > within > the JMDL soon. In the meantime, here a a few sneak previews. (You > can see > Joni's companion in a couple of these shots.) > > http://michaelquebec.spaces.live.com/ > > Enjoy. > > Michael in Quebec > > NP: Sarah Slean - Lucky Me > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with > Windows Live > Spaces. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca > - -- Love and Light, Katherine www.drkatherine.info www.mcs.drkatherine.info "In every culture and in every medical tradition before ours, healing was accomplished by moving energy." Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, Nobel Laureate in Medicine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:40:23 +0000 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Re: Amy Winehouse -- njc On 3/12/07, Smurf wrote: > > I love her. I just started listening to her this weekend and can't stop. Good on ya Smurf! As far as I can recall you're the first lister from the other side of the water to have mentioned her here. She's truly got the right stuff; terrific (and highly idiosyncratic) voice, top tunes and absolutely killer lyrics. How about this for an opening couplet: What kind of fuckery is this? You made me miss the Slick Rick gig. Sheer class. Have you got her second album too, Smurf, called Back To Black? Very different from Frank, but just as good. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:31:27 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: NJC Jarret Well I hope you are keeping up the good spirits Catherine. It is of some importance to me you know because I always find your posts extremely sensible without being trivial, so much so that when you posted something in December about feeling sad in the morning I almost fell into a state of despair. Honestly! I must have had a really bad day, but my thought was, bloody hell if someone as insightful as Catherine in Toronto feels like that where am I going to be when I reach her age, not so many years from now?? But that was December... things look brighter now! But take good care...! Bene On 3/12/07, Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Me: I looked him up [Keith Jarret] on WIkipedia > because I thought I > > had heard that he > > had a nervous breakdown at some point - but it > > turned out to be > > chronique fatigue syndrome. In any case, Wiki has an > > entire section > > dedicated to "idiosyncrasies", so there you go. > > when you come right down to it, there probably is no > such thing as "normal" after all. I think we all have > these quirks and creative people seem to have them > more than the so-called "normal" people. I'm sure it's > all part of how our brains are all so different, with > different people learning in different ways, and those > that don't fit the standard being labelled as > "learning disabled". The more we know and understand > about this stuff, the more prepared we can all be for > "getting" people who may come across as a bit weird - > it certainly makes life more interesting. And they > keep finding new viruses or bacteria to explain > certain illnesses that formerly we thought was all > people's heads. > > > > > > In a bright state of mind today > > > > Interesting you should say that because I feel really > positive today for the first time in a long time, > after feeling like there was a heavy weight on my > forehead for quite a while. I wonder if it's the > weather - but you're on the other side of the world > from me and I doubt we've got the same weather. Today > I've got a wonderful feeling, everything's going my > way, and I am not about to question that! > > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:32:01 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: more on The Word article Kakki wrote, in part, with great sensitivity: "Most creative people are very sensitive. To keep creating great insightful art, they have to keep those sensitivities close to the surface in order to access everything they think and feel. It is pretty obvious that Joni must have been really hurt over the years by the various criticisms, perceived mistreatments and the audience not always understanding what she was putting out there. Sure, the average person would "toughen up" after awhile and probably move past the hurts. But she may be like many hypersensitives who are not toughened by adversity, but who just bleed even more with even the slightest of cuts. Every time some interviewer brings up the same old subjects, she may be re-experiencing the pain again. It may be that if she shuts off that recurring pain, some other creative vein may be shut off in the process." C'est ca! (That's it!) Right on, Joni Sister! When you wear your heart on your sleeve, it gets "bruised from banging into things." How would I know? Oh, a friend told me. Joni said: "Some parts of the job, the creative processes, I loved, some I didn't like at all. I like a certain amount of attention but &it got more and more difficult to be a public person. The public person became more and more of hostile witness. My work is deep, it's all there and you can't get any deeper so there became aspects of the job that became repugnant to me. I started having nightmares about it and when it hits your subconscious like that it's time to quit." What she is putting out there is her heart and mind and very soul. Deep stuff. And yes, when you dig down deep you lose good sleep -- you have nightmares when people criticize the deepness you have so generously shared. "Will you take me as I am? Will you?" Yes, Joni, of course. I approve your self-expression. And the gift of your extra time. Isn't this Joni Renaissance wonderful? "Play what you want!'' "Alrighhhhhhhht." (that's from MOA, of course.) And *say* what you want! That's what I think. Love & Peace, Patti P. P.S. Merci encore une fois to Les, Les, and Leslie (L3)! _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #110 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------