From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #93 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 2 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 093 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Dylan spins Joni now NJC [Smurf ] Re: Blue? - njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Blue? [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Dylan spins Joni [Wtking59@cs.com] The Words None Dare Say: Nuclear War, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] 'Court and Spark' book [Wtking59@cs.com] NJC - Jonifest/My vacation ["Donna Binkley" ] NJC - Jonifest/My vacation ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Blue? - njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Blue? - njc [Em ] Blue news - What's up? [Bryan ] Re: Blue? - njc [Jerry Notaro ] Monika's THOSL & Hejira ["Dr. Katherine Whited" ] Re: Blue? ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Blue? [Jerry Notaro ] You are on a deserted island...NJC yet [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Blue? - njc [Victor Johnson ] Re: You are on a deserted island...NJC yet ["L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: RE: Dylan spins Joni now NJC - --- Les Irvin wrote: > I'm not Richard but I know most of them are > available in the JMDL > file-sharing hub! I'm not Richard either, and I haven't been paying attention for a few months, but what is the JMDL file-sharing hub? (JMDLFSH?) - --Smurf . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:44:30 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Blue? - njc > Bob asked: >> What does MLPS mean? maximum length sequence (MLS) is a type of pseudorandom binary sequence. They are polynomial rings generated using maximal linear feedback shift registers and are so called because they are periodic and reproduce every binary sequence that can be reproduced by the shift registers (i.e., for length-m registers they produce a sequence of length 2m − 1). They are also sometimes called n-sequences or m-sequences. Maximum length sequences are spectrally flat, with the exception of a near-zero DC term. Practical applications for MLS include measuring impulse responses (e.g., of room reverberation). They are also used as a basis for deriving pseudo-random sequences in digital communication systems that employ direct-sequence spread spectrum and frequency-hopping spread spectrum transmission systems. Contents [hide] * 1 Generation of maximum length sequences o 1.1 Polynomial interpretation o 1.2 Implementation * 2 Properties of maximum length sequences o 2.1 Balance property o 2.2 Run property o 2.3 Correlation property * 3 Extraction of impulse responses * 4 Relationship to Hadamard transform * 5 References * 6 See also [edit] Generation of maximum length sequences Figure 1: The next value of register a3 in a feedback shift register of length 4 is determined by the modulo-2 sum of a0 and a1. Figure 1: The next value of register a3 in a feedback shift register of length 4 is determined by the modulo-2 sum of a0 and a1. MLS are generated using maximal linear feedback shift registers. An MLS-generating system with a shift register of length 4 is shown in Fig. 1. It can be expressed using the following recursive relation: a_k[n+1] = \begin{cases} a_0[n] + a_1[n], & k = 3 \\ a_{k-1}[n], & \mbox{otherwise} \end{cases} where n is a time index, and + represents modulo-2 addition. As MLS are periodic and shift registers cycle through every possible binary value (with the exception of the zero vector), registers can be initialized to any state, with the exception of the zero vector. [edit] Polynomial interpretation A polynomial over GF(2) can be associated with the linear feedback shift register. It has degree one less than the length of the shift register, and has coefficients that are either 0 or 1, corresponding to the taps of the register that feed the xor gate. For example, the polynomial corresponding to Fig. 1 is x3 + x + 1. A necessary and sufficient condition for the sequence generated by a LFSR to be maximal length is that its corresponding polynomial be primitive. [edit] Implementation MLS are inexpensive to implement in hardware or software, and relatively low-order feedback shift registers can generate long sequences; a sequence generated using a shift register of length 20 is 220 − 1 samples long, which is equivalent to approximately 23.8 seconds if played back as audio with a sampling rate of 44.1 kHz. [edit] Properties of maximum length sequences MLS have the following properties, as formulated by Solomon Golomb (1967). [edit] Balance property The number of "1"s in the sequence is one greater than the number of "0"s. [edit] Run property Of all the "runs" in the sequence of each type (i.e. runs consisting of "1"s and runs consisting of "0"s): * One half of the runs are of length 1. * One quarter of the runs are of length 2. * One eighth of the runs are of length 3. * ... etc. ... A "run" is a sub-sequence of "1"s or "0"s within the MLS concerned. The number of runs is the number of such sub-sequences. [edit] Correlation property The autocorrelation function of an MLS is a very close approximation to a train of Kronecker delta function. [edit] Extraction of impulse responses If a linear time invariant (LTI) system's impulse response is to be measured using a MLS, the response can be extracted from the measured system output y[n] by taking its circular cross-correlation with the MLS sequence. This is because the autocorrelation of a MLS is 1 for zero-lag, and nearly zero (−1/N where N is the sequence length) for all other lags; in other words, the autocorrelation of the MLS can be said to approach unit impulse function as MLS sequence length increases. If the impulse response of a system is h[n] and the MLS is s[n], then y[n] = (h*s)[n].\, Taking the cross-correlation with respect to s[n] of both sides, {\phi}_{sy} = h[n]*{\phi}_{ss}\, and assuming that φss is an impulse (valid for long sequences) h[n] = {\phi}_{sy}.\, [edit] Relationship to Hadamard transform Cohn and Lempel (1977) showed the relationship of the maximum length sequence to the Hadamard transform. This relationship allows the correlation of a maximum length sequence to be computed in a fast algorithm similar to the FFT. [edit] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:28:41 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Blue? Bob asked: >>>What does MLPS mean?<<< MLPS = "Miniature LP-Sleeve" (just as "Snatch N. Grabster" suggested earlier). XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:33:14 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Dylan spins Joni Well, what "I" wanna know is: does Dylan ever spin Laura Nyro (who's his obvious female counterpart)? ;-) XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:41:43 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: The Words None Dare Say: Nuclear War, njc > The Words None Dare Say: Nuclear War > > George Lakoff > > 02.27.2007 > > READ MORE: Iran, Iraq, George Lakoff, Israel, United States, Dick Cheney, > John McCain, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Hiroshima, Seymour Hersh, Jerusalem, > Australia > > "The elimination of Natanz would be a major setback for Iran's nuclear > ambitions, but the conventional weapons in the American arsenal could not > insure the destruction of facilities under seventy-five feet of earth and rock, > especially if they are reinforced with concrete." > > --Seymour Hersh, The New Yorker, April 17, 2006 > > "The second concern is that if an underground laboratory is deeply > buried, that can also confound conventional weapons. But the depth of the Natanz > facility - reports place the ceiling roughly 30 feet underground - is not > prohibitive. The American GBU-28 weapon - the so-called bunker buster - can > pierce about 23 feet of concrete and 100 feet of soil. Unless the cover over the > Natanz lab is almost entirely rock, bunker busters should be able to reach it. > That said, some chance remains that a single strike would fail." > > --Michael Levi, New York Times, April 18, 2006 > > A familiar means of denying a reality is to refuse to use the words that > describe that reality. A common form of propaganda is to keep reality from being > described. > > In such circumstances, silence and euphemism are forms of complicity both in > propaganda and in the denial of reality. And the media, as well as the major > presidential candidates, are now complicit. > > The stories in the major media suggest that an attack against Iran is a real > possibility and that the Natanz nuclear development site is the number one > target. As the above quotes from two of our best sources note, military > experts say that conventional "bunker-busters" like the GBU-28 might be able to > destroy the Natanz facility, especially with repeated bombings. But on the other > hand, they also say such iterated use of conventional weapons might not > work, e.g., if the rock and earth above the facility becomes liquefied. On that > supposition, a "low yield" "tactical" nuclear weapon, say, the B61-11, might > be needed. > > If the Bush administration, for example, were to insist on a sure "success," > then the "attack" would constitute nuclear war. The words in boldface are > nuclear war, that's right, nuclear war -- a first strike nuclear war. > > We don't know what exactly is being planned -- conventional GBU-28's or > nuclear B61-11's. And that is the point. Discussion needs to be open. Nuclear war > is not a minor matter. > > The Euphemism > > As early as August 13, 2005, Bush, in Jerusalem, was asked what would happen > if diplomacy failed to persuade Iran to halt its nuclear program. Bush > replied, "All options are on the table." On April 18, the day after the appearance > of Seymour Hersh's New Yorker report on the administration's preparations > for a nuclear war against Iran, President Bush held a news conference. He was > asked, > > "Sir, when you talk about Iran, and you talk about how you have > diplomatic efforts, you also say all options are on the table. Does that include the > possibility of a nuclear strike? Is that something that your administration > will plan for?" > > He replied, > > "All options are on the table." > > The President never actually said the forbidden words "nuclear war," but he > appeared to tacitly acknowledge the preparations -- without further > discussion. > > Vice-President Dick Cheney, speaking in Australia last week, backed up the > President. > > "We worked with the European community and the United Nations to put > together a set of policies to persuade the Iranians to give up their aspirations > and resolve the matter peacefully, and that is still our preference. But > I've also made the point, and the president has made the point, that all options > are on the table." > > Republican Presidential Candidate John McCain, on FOX News August 14, 2005, > said the same. > > "For us to say that the Iranians can do whatever they want to do and we > won't under any circumstances exercise a military option would be for them to > have a license to do whatever they want to do ... So I think the president's > comment that we won't take anything off the table was entirely > appropriate." > > But it's not just Republicans. Democratic Presidential candidate John > Edwards, in a speech in Herzliyah, Israel, echoed Bush. > > "To ensure that Iran never gets nuclear weapons, we need to keep ALL > options on the table. Let me reiterate - ALL options must remain on the table." > > > Although, Edwards has said, when asked about this statement, that he prefers > peaceful solutions and direct negotiations with Iran, he has nonetheless > repeated the "all options on the table" position -- making clear that he would > consider starting a preventive nuclear war, but without using the fateful > words. > > Hillary Clinton, at an AIPAC dinner in NY, said, > > "We cannot, we should not, we must not, permit Iran to build or acquire > nuclear weapons, and in dealing with this threat, as I have said for a very > long time, no option can be taken off the table." > > > Translation: Nuclear weapons can be used to prevent the spread of nuclear > weapons. > > Barack Obama, asked on 60 Minutes about using military force to prevent Iran > from developing nuclear weapons, began a discussion of his preference for > diplomacy by responding, "I think we should keep all options on the table." > > Bush, Cheney, McCain, Edwards, Clinton, and Obama all say indirectly that > they seriously consider starting a preventive nuclear war, but will not engage > in a public discussion of what that would mean. That contributes to a general > denial, and the press is going along with it by a corresponding refusal to > use the words. > > If the consequences of nuclear war are not discussed openly, the war may > happen without an appreciation of the consequences and without the public having > a chance to stop it. Our job is to open that discussion. > > Of course, there is a rationale for the euphemism: To scare our adversaries > by making them think that we are crazy enough to do what we hint at, while > not raising a public outcry. That is what happened in the lead up to the Iraq > War, and the disaster of that war tells us why we must have such a discussion > about Iran. Presidential candidates go along, not wanting to be thought of as > interfering in on-going indirect diplomacy. That may be the conventional > wisdom for candidates, but an informed, concerned public must say what > candidates are advised not to say. > > More Euphemisms > > The euphemisms used include "tactical," "small," "mini-," and "low yield" > nuclear weapons. "Tactical" contrasts with "strategic"; it refers to tactics, > relatively low-level choices made in carrying out an overall strategy, but > which don't affect the grand strategy. But the use of any nuclear weapons at all > would be anything but "tactical." It would be a major world event - in > Vladimir Putin's words, "lowering the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons," > making the use of more powerful nuclear weapons more likely and setting off a > new arms race. The use of the word "tactical" operates to lessen their > importance, to distract from the fact that their very use would constitute a > nuclear war. > > What is "low yield"? Perhaps the "smallest" tactical nuclear weapon we have > is the B61-11, which has a dial-a-yield feature: it can yield "only" 0.3 > kilotons, but can be set to yield up to 170 kilotons. The power of the Hiroshima > bomb was 15 kilotons. That is, a "small" bomb can yield more than 10 times > the explosive power of the Hiroshima bomb. The B61-11 dropped from 40,000 feet > would dig a hole 20 feet deep and then explode, send shock waves downward, > leave a huge crater, and spread radiation widely. The idea that it would > explode underground and be harmless to those above ground is false -- and, anyway, > an underground release of radiation would threaten ground water and aquifers > for a long time and over wide distance. > > To use words like "low yield" or "small" or "mini-" nuclear weapon is like > speaking of being a little bit pregnant. Nuclear war is nuclear war! It > crosses the moral line. > > Any discussion of roadside canister bombs made in Iran justifying an attack > on Iran should be put in perspective: Little canister bombs (EFP's -- > explosively formed projectiles) that shoot a small hot metal ball at a humvee or > tank versus nuclear war. > > Incidentally, the administration may be focusing on the canister bombs > because it seeks to claim that the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against > Iraq Resolution of 2002 permits the use of military force against Iran based > on its interference in Iraq. In that case, no further authorization by > Congress would be needed for an attack on Iran. > > The journalistic point is clear. Journalists and political leaders should > not talk about an "attack." They should use the words that describe what is > really at stake: nuclear war -- in boldface. > > Then, there is the scale of the proposed attack. Military reports leaking > out suggest a huge (mostly or entirely non-nuclear) airstrike on as many as > 10,000 targets -- a "shock and awe" attack that would destroy Iran's > infrastructure the way the US bombing destroyed Iraq's. The targets would not just be > "military targets." As Dan Plesch reports in the New Statesman, February 19, > 2007, such an attack would wipe out Iran's military, business, and political > infrastructure. Not just nuclear installations, missile launching sites, tanks, > and ammunition dumps, but also airports, rail lines, highways, bridges, > ports, communications centers, power grids, industrial centers, hospitals, public > buildings, and even the homes of political leaders. That is what was > attacked in Iraq: the "critical infrastructure." It is not just military in the > traditional sense. It leaves a nation in rubble, and leads to death, maiming, > disease, joblessness, impoverishment, starvation, mass refugees, lawlessness, > rape, and incalculable pain and suffering. That is what the options appear to > be "on the table." Is nation destruction what the American people have in mind > when they acquiesce without discussion to an "attack"? Is nuclear war what > the American people have in mind? An informed public must ask and the media > must ask. The words must be used. > > Even if the attack were limited to nuclear installations, starting a nuclear > war with Iran would have terrible consequences -- and not just for Iranians. > First, it would strengthen the hand of the Islamic fundamentalists -- > exactly the opposite of the effect US planners would want. It would be viewed as > yet another major attack on Islam. Fundamentalist Islam is a revenge culture. > If you want to recruit fundamentalist Islamists all over the world to become > violent jihadists, this is the best way to do it. America would become a world > pariah. Any idea of the US as a peaceful nation would be destroyed. > Moreover, you don't work against the spread of nuclear weapons by using those > weapons. That will just make countries all over the world want nuclear weaponry all > the more. Trying to stop nuclear proliferation through nuclear war is > self-defeating. > > As Einstein said, "You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war." > > Why would the Bush administration do it? Here is what conservative > strategist William Kristol wrote last summer during Israel's war with Hezbollah. > > "For while Syria and Iran are enemies of Israel, they are also enemies > of the United States. We have done a poor job of standing up to them and > weakening them. They are now testing us more boldly than one would have thought > possible a few years ago. Weakness is provocative. We have been too weak, and > have allowed ourselves to be perceived as weak. > > The right response is renewed strength--in supporting the governments of > Iraq and Afghanistan, in standing with Israel, and in pursuing regime change > in Syria and Iran. For that matter, we might consider countering this act of > Iranian aggression with a military strike against Iranian nuclear > facilities. Why wait? Does anyone think a nuclear Iran can be contained? That the > current regime will negotiate in good faith? It would be easier to act sooner > rather than later. Yes, there would be repercussions--and they would be healthy > ones, showing a strong America that has rejected further appeasement." > > --Willam Kristol, Weekly Standard 7/24/06 > > > "Renewed strength" is just the Bush strategy in Iraq. At a time when the > Iraqi people want us to leave, when our national elections show that most > Americans want our troops out, when 60% of Iraqis think it all right to kill > Americans, Bush wants to escalate. Why? Because he is weak in America. Because he > needs to show more "strength." Because, if he knocks out the Iranian nuclear > facilities, he can claim at least one "victory." Starting a nuclear war with > Iran would really put us in a world-wide war with fundamentalist Islam. It > would make real the terrorist threat he has been claiming since 9/11. It would > create more fear -- real fear -- in America. And he believes, with much > reason, that fear tends to make Americans vote for saber-rattling conservatives. > > Kristol's neoconservative view that "weakness is provocative" is echoed in > Iran, but by the other side. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was quoted in the New York > Times of February 24, 2007 as having "vowed anew to continue enriching uranium, > saying, 'If we show weakness in front of the enemies, they will increase > their expectations.'" If both sides refuse to back off for fear of showing > weakness, then prospects for conflict are real, despite the repeated analyses, > like that of The Economist that the use of nuclear weapons against Iran would be > politically and morally impossible. As one unnamed administration official > has said (New York Times, February 24, 2007), "No one has defined where the > red line is that we cannot let the Iranians step over." > > What we are seeing now is the conservative message machine preparing the > country to accept the ideas of a nuclear war and nation destruction against > Iran. The technique used is the "slippery slope." It is done by degrees. Like the > proverbial frog in the pot of water - if the heat is turned up slowly the > frog gets used to the heat and eventually boils to death - the American public > is getting gradually acclimated to the idea of war with Iran. > > * First, describe Iran as evil - part of the axis of evil. An inherently > evil person will inevitably do evil things and can't be negotiated with. An > entire evil nation is a threat to other nations. > * Second, describe Iran's leader as a "Hitler" who is inherently "evil" > and cannot be reasoned with. Refuse to negotiate with him. > * Then repeat the lie that Iran is on the verge of having nuclear > weapons --weapons of mass destruction. IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei says > they are at best many years away. > * Call nuclear development "an existential threat" - a threat to our > very existence. > * Then suggest a single "surgical" "attack" on Natanz and make it seem > acceptable. > * Then find a reason to call the attack "self-defense" -- or better > protection for our troops from the EFP's, or single-shot canister bombs. > * Claim, without proof and without anyone even taking responsibility for > the claim, that the Iranian government at its highest level is supplying > deadly weapons to Shiite militias attacking our troops, while not mentioning the > fact that Saudi Arabia is helping Sunni insurgents attacking our troops. > * Give "protecting our troops" as a reason for attacking Iran without > getting new authorization from Congress. Claim that the old authorization for > attacking Iraq implied doing "whatever is necessary to protect our troops" > from Iranian intervention in Iraq. > * Argue that de-escalation in Iraq would "bleed" our troops, "weaken" > America, and lead to defeat. This sets up escalation as a winning policy, if > not in Iraq then in Iran. > * Get the press to go along with each step. > * Never mention the words "preventive nuclear war" or "national > destruction." When asked, say "All options are on the table." Keep the issue of > nuclear war and its consequences from being seriously discussed by the national > media. > * Intimidate Democratic presidential candidates into agreeing, without > using the words, that nuclear war should be "on the table." This makes nuclear > war and nation destruction bipartisan and even more acceptable. > > Progressives managed to blunt the "surge" idea by telling the truth about > "escalation." Nuclear war against Iran and nation destruction constitute the > ultimate escalation. > > The time has come to stop the attempt to make a nuclear war against Iran > palatable to the American public. We do not believe that most Americans want to > start a nuclear war or to impose nation destruction on the people of Iran. > They might, though, be willing to support a tit-for-tat "surgical" "attack" on > Natanz in retaliation for small canister bombs and to end Iran's early > nuclear capacity. > > It is time for America's journalists and political leaders to put two and > two together, and ask the fateful question: Is the Bush administration > seriously preparing for nuclear war and nation destruction? If the conventional > GBU-28's will do the job, then why not take nuclear war off the table in the name > of controlling the spread of nuclear weapons? If GBU-28's won't do the job, > then it is all the more important to have that discussion. > > This should not be a distraction from Iraq. The general issue is escalation > as a policy, both in Iraq and in Iran. They are linked issues, not separate > issues. We have learned from Iraq what lack of public scrutiny does. > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:46:31 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: 'Court and Spark' book If anyone still wants the new 33 1/3 'Court and Spark' book: the absolute lowest price can be found at www.deepdiscount.com for only $6.96. It's brand-new and includes all shipping and handling charges. They're wonderful! Mine's on the way. XXXOOO, Billy (your savvy shopper) ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:51:01 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: NJC - Jonifest/My vacation Hi folks, I will be rolling into the area of Jonifest on Monday March 26 and plan to ski for 3 days before going on to Full Moon Resort. Bellayre Mountain is only about 15 minutes away and I'll be staying near there. If anyone out there is interested in coming up to ski with me for a day or get together for dinner or something in that area before the festival please email me off list. I'd welcome some company and the chance to meet some festers before the fest! Donna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:51:01 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: NJC - Jonifest/My vacation Hi folks, I will be rolling into the area of Jonifest on Monday March 26 and plan to ski for 3 days before going on to Full Moon Resort. Bellayre Mountain is only about 15 minutes away and I'll be staying near there. If anyone out there is interested in coming up to ski with me for a day or get together for dinner or something in that area before the festival please email me off list. I'd welcome some company and the chance to meet some festers before the fest! Donna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Blue? - njc Professor Jerry said: Um...thanks...is this gonna be on the test? Bob NP: Dave Matthews Band, "Crash" - --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:28:26 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Blue? - njc yer killin' me here!!!!! Em :) - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Bob asked: > >> What does MLPS mean? > > maximum length sequence (MLS) is a type of pseudorandom binary > sequence. > > They are polynomial rings generated using maximal linear feedback > shift > registers and are so called because they are periodic and reproduce > every > binary sequence that can be reproduced by the shift registers (i.e., > for > length-m registers they produce a sequence of length 2m !] 1). ..snip... ay conyo.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:38:32 -0800 (PST) From: Bryan Subject: Blue news - What's up? "Rhino, Amazon and CDUniverse are all advertising a Remastered version of Blue available this Tuesday, March 6. No previously unavailable tracks will be included." No additional tracks? Are they trying to not sell any? I just don't get it. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:46:30 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Blue? - njc Actually, all it means as 3it sounds good.2 Though one list member has already heard it and said don9t bother. :) > Professor Jerry said: > > > > feedback shift > registers and are so called because...> > > > > Um...thanks...is this gonna be on the test? > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Dave Matthews Band, "Crash" > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites > k3NDA3NTg5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw--> to > find flight and hotel bargains. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:55:30 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Monika's THOSL & Hejira Wow Monika, I really got into reading your takes on THOSL and Hejira. Thank you for taking the time to write your impressions. I totally agree with you when you said that Hejira has a very specific tone to it and that it was calm and her voice was soothing. It's always struck me the same way. You know on a good rambling roadtrip you're stripped from the busyness and business of life and you can just relax and be introspective, which is what I feel this album has that kind of energy to it. I'm a roadtrip freak myself and FSTB inspired me to go to Beal Street in Memphis where I wanted to see "Handy cast in bronze, pawn shops glittering like gold tooth caps in the grey decay they chew the last few dollars off old Beale Street's carcass...carrion and mercy." (awesome lyrics!) But, I waited too long, nearly 2 decades had passed and Old Beale Street had not caved to the wreckers beat; it is a huge tourist trap complete with a Hard Rock Cafe and barbecue places selling W.C. Handy BBQ Ribs Plate Lunches. The pawn shops are stores that sell new cheap guitars and the only thing they seem to be chewing are holes in the tourist's wallets these days. An interesting stop if you're traveling in the area, but nothing like FSTB. You know it's interesting that Hejira has never been one that I listen to on road trips because the energy of it is so laid back and smooth. I like higher energy on road trips. Which reminds me of your insight on The Jungle Line (HOSL) and how it reminded you of other music like Radiohead, Tool and NIN. Back in the 80s and early 90s I really liked Trent Reznor's work and I saw NIN on their Pretty Hate Machine tour with Meat Beat Manifesto and remember thinking that the drum sticks were massive like Japanese Taiko drumsticks! That driving beat also reminds me of Joni's TJL back in the 70s, but I never realized it until I read what you wrote. I also remember seeing THOSL's album cover and thinking that the 'hissing' must be the National Geographic snake headed into LA until I listened to the lyrics and what a rush when it dawned on me that the hissing of summer lawns were the sprinklers of middle America. JM is such a gifted poet who paints pictures in our minds with her words. I think that and my favorite line from that album is "helicopters land on the Pan Am roof like a dragonfly on a tomb" By the way, I"m new to the list so it may have already been discussed, but did you know that her image of the tribesmen carrying the snake was from a National Geographic cover and if I recall correctly the article may have been about Anacondas. Monika wrote: - - - -Harry's House/Centerpiece: Another favorite! My favorite part of this song and maybe my favorite part of the whole album is when Joni sings, "the more I'm with you pretty baby...." I suppose you'd call it the bridge. This is the cover part of the song, yes? Anyway, I love this whole part because I ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY LOVE JONI'S SINGING OF IT. Her voice is incredible man. Just gets me so much and that part even more so! KW: Her voice IS incredible and it gave me the chills when I first heard that part! I also agree that it was on this album that the changes in her voice became very apparent. I had to get over my preconceived notions of how Joni and her music should sound before I really appreciated her work. Glad that I did b/c my favorite album, Hejira came out next and I would have missed all that fun and pleasure had I stayed (stuck) in that resistant to change energy. Monika: - - -Sweet Bird: A very beautiful song. Almost simple sounding.....it just has an elegant beauty to it. KW: I really love your statement that it has an elegant beauty to it. I agree wholeheartedly.It reminds me of her earlier work. Monika, those were wonderful posts about THOSL & HIjira, thank you again for sharing your insights and taking us on your journey. Katherine - -- "In every culture and in every medical tradition before ours, healing was accomplished by moving energy." Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, Nobel Laureate in Medicine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:06:27 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Blue? From: > And Amazon lists it as "Deluxe" & "Mlps". What does MLPS mean? Mastering Likely Promotes Sales. Blue was remastered when the HDCD versions came out. The assumption is that they didn't do it right the first time, or the second time, but now you can really trust them to do it right. The best Blue I have heard was the 24k gold CD, which is long out of print, unfortunately. I do think it would be sacrelige to add anything to this classic album, which, apparently, they don't intend to do anyway. Making a 'mini LP' cover seems more like a cost cutting measure than a deluxe feature, and the disc falls out. I say proceed with caution. Amazon has it for 2 bucks more than the 'regular' version-and oddly, their little picture of the cover is black rather than blue. For their part, Rhino says absolutely nothing about this release on their website, other than listing the title for release March 6. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:15:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Blue? I own the 24k gold Blue, as well as all the other gold Joni releases, and is astonishing how good it is. Joni's piano actually breathes in it. Jerry > From: > >> And Amazon lists it as "Deluxe" & "Mlps". What does MLPS mean? > > Mastering Likely Promotes Sales. > Blue was remastered when the HDCD versions came out. > The assumption is that they didn't do it right the first time, > or the second time, but now you can really trust them to do > it right. > The best Blue I have heard was the 24k gold CD, which > is long out of print, unfortunately. > I do think it would be sacrelige to add anything to this classic > album, which, apparently, they don't intend to do anyway. > Making a 'mini LP' cover seems more like a cost cutting > measure than a deluxe feature, and the disc falls out. > I say proceed with caution. Amazon has it for 2 bucks more > than the 'regular' version-and oddly, their little picture of the > cover is black rather than blue. > For their part, Rhino says absolutely nothing about this release > on their website, other than listing the title for release March 6. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:18:17 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: You are on a deserted island...NJC yet Better yet, you are stranded on the LOST island. Why? Well because I like the show and in particular I like Sawyer (that's what I'm talking about folks!). Anyway, point is, you are allowed to bring 5 albums with you (and a radio and what you need to listen to these albums). However, you can not bring any mixed or burnt cds. What 5 do you bring to listen to for the rest of what you think will be your life? Why those albums? - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:06:37 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Blue? - njc On Mar 2, 2007, at 7:44 AM, Jerry Notaro wrote: >> Bob asked: >>> What does MLPS mean? > Acronym Definition MLPS Manual Lever Position Sensor MLPS Martin Luther Preparatory School (Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin) MLPS Medical Logistics Proponent Subcommittee - - the free dictionary.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:43:47 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: You are on a deserted island...NJC yet Damn, Monika, you ask tough questions... Assuming Greatest Hits albums would also be cheating... 1. All Things Must Pass - George Harrison 2. Blood On The Tracks - Bob Dylan 3. Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd 4. White Album - Beatles (could be Abbey Road depending on where my hand goes at the time) 5. One would have to be Joni and depend on what I grabbed either LOTC of HEJ. Why, because after 30-40 years these albums still speak to me and I never tire of hearing them, probably never will. And hopefully the island would be in airwave of a good jazz station somewhere but if not I'd live... If you ask me what's in the disc changer in the Pickup that has had my interest recently. 1. Bleeding Heart Graffiti - Nina Gordon 2. God Bless The Go Go's (yeah I know it's 5 years old) 3. Currently remastered Out Of The Blue - ELO 4. Art Garfunkel - Some Enchanted Evening 5. Norah Jones - Not Too Late I tend not to listen to Joni when driving as she tends to distract me which isn't a good thing when driving in Tucson. Bruce in AZ >Better yet, you are stranded on the LOST island. Why? Well because I like >the show and in particular I like Sawyer (that's what I'm talking about >folks!). Anyway, point is, you are allowed to bring 5 albums with you (and a >radio and what you need to listen to these albums). However, you can not bring >any mixed or burnt cds. What 5 do you bring to listen to for the rest of what >you think will be your life? Why those albums? >-Monika >


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AOL now offers free >email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:07:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: You are on a deserted island...NJC yet For the same reasons, mine have changed little over the years: The White Album Lady in Satin - Billie Holiday Falling In Love Is Wonderful - Little Jimmy Scott Parade - Jason Robert Brown Album 1700 - Peter, Paul, and Mary Jerry L. Bruce Vaughn wrote: > Damn, Monika, you ask tough questions... > > Assuming Greatest Hits albums would also be cheating... > > 1. All Things Must Pass - George Harrison > 2. Blood On The Tracks - Bob Dylan > 3. Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd > 4. White Album - Beatles (could be Abbey Road depending on where my > hand goes at the time) > 5. One would have to be Joni and depend on what I grabbed either LOTC > of HEJ. > > Why, because after 30-40 years these albums still speak to me and I > never tire of hearing them, probably never will. And hopefully the > island would be in airwave of a good jazz station somewhere but if not > I'd live... > > If you ask me what's in the disc changer in the Pickup that has had my > interest recently. > 1. Bleeding Heart Graffiti - Nina Gordon > 2. God Bless The Go Go's (yeah I know it's 5 years old) > 3. Currently remastered Out Of The Blue - ELO > 4. Art Garfunkel - Some Enchanted Evening > 5. Norah Jones - Not Too Late > > I tend not to listen to Joni when driving as she tends to distract me > which isn't a good thing when driving in Tucson. > > Bruce in AZ > >>Better yet, you are stranded on the LOST island. Why? Well because I >> like >>the show and in particular I like Sawyer (that's what I'm talking about >>folks!). Anyway, point is, you are allowed to bring 5 albums with you >> (and a >>radio and what you need to listen to these albums). However, you can >> not bring >>any mixed or burnt cds. What 5 do you bring to listen to for the rest >> of what >>you think will be your life? Why those albums? >>-Monika >>


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AOL now offers >> free >>email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >>http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:41:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: You are on a deserted island... AND For the Roses!!!! Gerald A. Notaro wrote: > For the same reasons, mine have changed little over the years: > > The White Album > Lady in Satin - Billie Holiday > Falling In Love Is Wonderful - Little Jimmy Scott > Parade - Jason Robert Brown > Album 1700 - Peter, Paul, and Mary > > Jerry > > L. Bruce Vaughn wrote: >> Damn, Monika, you ask tough questions... >> >> Assuming Greatest Hits albums would also be cheating... >> >> 1. All Things Must Pass - George Harrison >> 2. Blood On The Tracks - Bob Dylan >> 3. Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd >> 4. White Album - Beatles (could be Abbey Road depending on where my >> hand goes at the time) >> 5. One would have to be Joni and depend on what I grabbed either LOTC >> of HEJ. >> >> Why, because after 30-40 years these albums still speak to me and I >> never tire of hearing them, probably never will. And hopefully the >> island would be in airwave of a good jazz station somewhere but if not >> I'd live... >> >> If you ask me what's in the disc changer in the Pickup that has had my >> interest recently. >> 1. Bleeding Heart Graffiti - Nina Gordon >> 2. God Bless The Go Go's (yeah I know it's 5 years old) >> 3. Currently remastered Out Of The Blue - ELO >> 4. Art Garfunkel - Some Enchanted Evening >> 5. Norah Jones - Not Too Late >> >> I tend not to listen to Joni when driving as she tends to distract me >> which isn't a good thing when driving in Tucson. >> >> Bruce in AZ >> >>>Better yet, you are stranded on the LOST island. Why? Well because I >>> like >>>the show and in particular I like Sawyer (that's what I'm talking about >>>folks!). Anyway, point is, you are allowed to bring 5 albums with you >>> (and a >>>radio and what you need to listen to these albums). However, you can >>> not bring >>>any mixed or burnt cds. What 5 do you bring to listen to for the rest >>> of what >>>you think will be your life? Why those albums? >>>-Monika >>>


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AOL now offers >>> free >>>email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >>>http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:59:06 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: You are on a deserted island...NJC yet 1. John Coltrane Live at the Village Vanguard 2. Stevie Wonder Innervisions 3. Bob Marley Natural Mystic 4. Allman Brothers An Evening with the Allman Brothers 5. Yes Close to the Edge I definately need some John Coltrane as I find his music more spiritual than any other, Stevie Wonder for the same reasons, Bob Marley because it would help me remember all the "trouble in the world" and the "natural mystic" flowing through everything, Allman Brothers because of "Soulshine" and "Jessica" and Yes "Close to the Edge" because I never get tired of listening to this album and I think I would find it comforting on the island. honorable mention 6. David Gilmour On an Island Victor Allman Brothers "Jessica" On Mar 2, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > Better yet, you are stranded on the LOST island. Why? Well > because I like > the show and in particular I like Sawyer (that's what I'm talking > about > folks!). Anyway, point is, you are allowed to bring 5 albums with > you (and a > radio and what you need to listen to these albums). However, you > can not bring > any mixed or burnt cds. What 5 do you bring to listen to for the > rest of what > you think will be your life? Why those albums? > -Monika >


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AOL now > offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:10:07 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: You are on a deserted island...NJC yet and Hejira!!!!!! (hey, if it works for Jerry it works for me!) On Mar 2, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: > 1. John Coltrane Live at the Village Vanguard > 2. Stevie Wonder Innervisions > 3. Bob Marley Natural Mystic > 4. Allman Brothers An Evening with the Allman Brothers > 5. Yes Close to the Edge > > > I definately need some John Coltrane as I find his music more > spiritual than any other, Stevie Wonder for the same reasons, Bob > Marley because it would help me remember all the "trouble in the > world" and the "natural mystic" flowing through everything, Allman > Brothers because of "Soulshine" and "Jessica" and Yes "Close to the > Edge" because I never get tired of listening to this album and I > think I would find it comforting on the island. > > honorable mention > > 6. David Gilmour On an Island > > > Victor > > Allman Brothers "Jessica" > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > >> Better yet, you are stranded on the LOST island. Why? Well >> because I like >> the show and in particular I like Sawyer (that's what I'm talking >> about >> folks!). Anyway, point is, you are allowed to bring 5 albums >> with you (and a >> radio and what you need to listen to these albums). However, you >> can not bring >> any mixed or burnt cds. What 5 do you bring to listen to for the >> rest of what >> you think will be your life? Why those albums? >> -Monika >>


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AOL now >> offers free >> email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >> http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:11:32 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: You are on a deserted island... I'm fascinated by the choice of Album 1700. I does have some really good stuff on it, but I haven't thought about it in years. I couldn't live on a desert island, but as of this moment--off the top of my head: For the Roses Rubber Soul (British version) Highway 61 Revisited GP/Grievous Angel--hey it's one disc The Wild, the Innocent, and the E Street Shuffle OF course I haven't thought very deeply about this. Tomorrow it'll be Hejira and four other discs I live with no CDs at all if you'll let me take a guitar and a lifetime supply of strings. -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Gerald A. Notaro Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 5:41 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: You are on a deserted island... AND For the Roses!!!! Gerald A. Notaro wrote: > For the same reasons, mine have changed little over the years: > > The White Album > Lady in Satin - Billie Holiday > Falling In Love Is Wonderful - Little Jimmy Scott > Parade - Jason Robert Brown > Album 1700 - Peter, Paul, and Mary > > Jerry > > L. Bruce Vaughn wrote: >> Damn, Monika, you ask tough questions... >> >> Assuming Greatest Hits albums would also be cheating... >> >> 1. All Things Must Pass - George Harrison >> 2. Blood On The Tracks - Bob Dylan >> 3. Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd >> 4. White Album - Beatles (could be Abbey Road depending on where my >> hand goes at the time) >> 5. One would have to be Joni and depend on what I grabbed either LOTC >> of HEJ. >> >> Why, because after 30-40 years these albums still speak to me and I >> never tire of hearing them, probably never will. And hopefully the >> island would be in airwave of a good jazz station somewhere but if not >> I'd live... >> >> If you ask me what's in the disc changer in the Pickup that has had my >> interest recently. >> 1. Bleeding Heart Graffiti - Nina Gordon >> 2. God Bless The Go Go's (yeah I know it's 5 years old) >> 3. Currently remastered Out Of The Blue - ELO >> 4. Art Garfunkel - Some Enchanted Evening >> 5. Norah Jones - Not Too Late >> >> I tend not to listen to Joni when driving as she tends to distract me >> which isn't a good thing when driving in Tucson. >> >> Bruce in AZ >> >>>Better yet, you are stranded on the LOST island. Why? Well because I >>> like >>>the show and in particular I like Sawyer (that's what I'm talking about >>>folks!). Anyway, point is, you are allowed to bring 5 albums with you >>> (and a >>>radio and what you need to listen to these albums). However, you can >>> not bring >>>any mixed or burnt cds. What 5 do you bring to listen to for the rest >>> of what >>>you think will be your life? Why those albums? >>>-Monika >>>


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