From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #90 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 28 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 090 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK [Jerry Notaro ] Thoughts on Hejira [Motitan@aol.com] RE: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: rickie lee et joni NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Question again [Motitan@aol.com] Luciana Souza...(njc) [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Thoughts on Hejira ["L. Bruce Vaughn" ] RE : Luciana Souza...(njc) [Joseph Palis ] Re: Question again [Michael Flaherty ] RE: Luciana Souza...(njc) ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #64 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Luciana Souza...(njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: HOSL & Hejira and Blue critics [] Hissing Lawns [] lorraine hunt leiberson and elizabeth bishop, was: Luciana Souza...(njc) ["patrick leader" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:43:36 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK This is what it says. I see no reference to her meeting Cohen for the first time. Events Database 1967.07.16 - Newport Folk Festival, Newport, Rhode Island THE LADY IN NEWPORT By Lachlan MacLearn In the summer of 1966 [sic, should be 1967] a relative unknown walked onto the stage at the Newport, Rhode Island Folk Festival, after being introduced by Judy Collins. It was a breezy summer's evening and the crowd was restless. I remember thinking that this newcomer, whoever she was, was stepping into some serious company. I can't recall the exact lineup. Probably Tim Hardin, Fred Neil, Odetta, Phil Ochs, Tom Paxton, and the like. As I said, `serious company...' She appeared to be carrying a tiny Martin Triple-0, but I couldn't be sure. She wore a long dress. I was too far back to decipher the face. There was a round of light applause when she was introduced. A tentative strum rolled from the huge PA, then another, and she was beginning her opening number. The song was 'Michael from Mountains'. And by the end of the first verse, the crowd had gone from bordering-rude to pin-drop silence. I was riveted. When the song ended, the strangest thing occurred. For at least five seconds (look at your watch...try to imagine it) the place was dead-silent - ten or fifteen thousand people - dead silent - and then a huge release of cheers and applause. The short set included `Chelsea Morning', and I think she played `The Circle Game' before leaving the stage to a tumultuous and prolonged standing ovation. I remember feeling so grateful for this amazing new talent and feeling equally sorry for anyone unfortunate enough to be going onstage after her. > Apparently, she met Cohen for the first time at the Newport Songwriter's > Workshop , according to O'Brien (p. 61): > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/chronology/details.cfm?id=1086 > > If she did sing "Chelsea Morning" there, she would have written it before > she met him. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Notaro [mailto:notaro@stpt.usf.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:35 PM > To: Richard Flynn; Joni List; 'Doug' > Subject: Re: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK > > I find no evidence Joni lived there, but her great friend (lover, mentor, > etc.) of the time, Leonard Cohen, did. That is probably the first hand > connection. > > Jerry > > >> Doug and others, >> >> >> >> Apparently my subsequent posts didn't make it to the list. The most > likely >> erroneous info that Joni played "Chelsea Morning" in 1966 is from the url >> below. I also see no evidence that she ever lived in the Chelsea Hotel. >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:19 AM >> To: 'Beaumont, Lucy' >> Subject: RE: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK >> >> >> >> Lucy, >> >> The Chelsea Hotel is at >> >> 222 W. 23rd St >> New York, NY 10011 >> >> >> >> According to biographer Karen O'Brien, Joni moved to an apartment in >> Chelsea in April of 1967: 41 West 16th Street, so perhaps Lachlan >> MacLearn's memory of having heard "Chelsea Morning" at Newport in the > summer >> of 1966 is mistaken: >> >> http://www.jonimitchell.com/biography/bio.cfm?id=231 >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: Beaumont, Lucy [mailto:Lucy.Beaumont@sunday-times.co.uk] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:04 AM >> To: Richard Flynn >> Subject: RE: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK >> >> >> >> Hi Richard >> >> >> >> Ah, do not panic, do not panic! I was trawling around the Joni Mitchell >> website and your name was on the site's staff list, as well as your email >> address. I figured it was a stab in the dark worth making?! Let me know if >> any answers come up... >> >> >> >> Thanks very much for your response >> >> >> >> Lucy >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] >> Sent: 27 February 2007 16:01 >> To: Beaumont, Lucy >> Cc: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: RE: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK >> >> Dear Lucy Beaumont, >> >> >> >> I have no idea how you got my address as a contact for someone with > special >> information about Joni Mitchell. I am just a fan and have no connection > to >> the artist. That said, since Mitchell performed the song as early as > 1966, >> it had to be around then. I am sending a carbon copy of this to the Joni >> Mitchell Discussion List. Maybe someone there has more precise > information >> than I. >> >> >> >> Sincerely yours, >> >> Richard Flynn >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: Beaumont, Lucy [mailto:Lucy.Beaumont@sunday-times.co.uk] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:48 AM >> To: rflynn@frontiernet.net >> Subject: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK >> Importance: High >> >> >> >> Hi Richard >> >> >> >> I am putting together a timeline on the Chelsea Hotel and its glittering >> array of residents, both past and present. I was hoping that you might be >> able to tell me the exact dates of when Joni Mitchell was living at the >> Chelsea Hotel, and which room she stayed in. I am presuming that it was >> before she wrote Chelsea Morning? >> >> >> >> I would be super grateful if you could get back to me asap on this! >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> Lucy Beaumont >> >> >> >> The Newspaper Marketing Agency: Opening Up Newspapers: >> >> >> >> www.nmauk.co.uk >> >> >> >> This e-mail and all attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If >> you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately. Do >> not use, disseminate, store or copy it in any way. Statements or opinions > in >> this e-mail or any attachment are those of the author and are not >> necessarily agreed or authorised by News International (NI). NI Group may >> monitor emails sent or received for operational or business reasons as >> permitted by law. NI Group accepts no liability for viruses introduced by >> this e-mail or attachments. You should employ virus checking software. > News >> International Limited, 1 Virginia St, London E98 1XY, is the holding > company >> for the News International group and is registered in England No 81701 >> >> >> >> The Newspaper Marketing Agency: Opening Up Newspapers: >> >> >> >> www.nmauk.co.uk >> >> >> >> This e-mail and all attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If >> you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately. Do >> not use, disseminate, store or copy it in any way. Statements or opinions > in >> this e-mail or any attachment are those of the author and are not >> necessarily agreed or authorised by News International (NI). NI Group may >> monitor emails sent or received for operational or business reasons as >> permitted by law. NI Group accepts no liability for viruses introduced by >> this e-mail or attachments. You should employ virus checking software. > News >> International Limited, 1 Virginia St, London E98 1XY, is the holding > company >> for the News International group and is registered in England No 81701 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:08:46 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Thoughts on Hejira Ok so as promised, for better or for worse, here is my review of Hejira as I see it. Overall, I like the album. I think it really is a "thinking" album and it make take some more time for me to fully absorb every angle of it. Or perhaps, I will always learn something new when listening to it. Maybe it's that kind of album? It's a very calm and somber album. I love the title of it because it fits it so well. I read Joni wrote most of these songs on her own journey and this really is an album that you would grab when driving a long distance or when taking a mental break from everything around you. It's such an isolated and lonely album in a way but it still has some comfort. Maybe meditative is the word for it? It's got a very, very specific tone to it. Very strange but that's how I hear it. And of course, I love all of Joni's singing on it. There's something very soothing in her voice that brings you relief in a sense. My take track-by-track: - -Coyote: I knew this song from watching "The Last Waltz." I liked it right there and then and like it even more. It's the lightest song on the album and I love Joni's guitar on it. It's just really a fun song and it sounds like Joni's having fun with it. A favorite, no questions asked! - -Amelia: This song represents the entire album really well. It's interesting how Joni uses her perspective from different sources like this and relates then back to herself maybe. - -Furry Sings The Blues: A very interesting look on things....and a big bonus on this song is that Mr. Neil Young appears on the song! I think his harmonica and the overall tone of the song work so great...This song has an ambience to it...the whole album is like this.... - -A Strange Boy: Ooh, I like this song. Another favorite! I like the rhythm guitar on it again and it brings up many questions. - -Hejira: Ooh, such a very reflective song with an opening that is just haunting. I love Joni's singing on it in particular. - -Song For Sharon: I was listening to this album at work today and I stopped working many times to listen closely to this particular track. There's so much it in...especially with it being a longer song I still have to process it fully--lyrically I mean. I do like it though. - -Black Crow: I love the words to this song. I also love the different musical backing on it. It's something so different from anything I have ever heard. - -Blue Motel Room: I noticed on some reviews this song got slammed. I don't see why. I think it's a beautiful song with such texture. - -Refuge Of The Roads: Another favorite! What a perfect way to end this album. A perfect end to a journey. I can't say anything more about it! Hey...so I do like the album a lot but I still feel like I need to be taught something more....like I am not finished with it yet....there's more to this journey haha.....know what I mean? - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:13:18 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK That's because we are talking about different texts. This is from O'Brien's bio. Though I have no way of knowing whether it is accurate: "Judy Collins has invited Mitchell to the Newport festival where she was hosting a singer-songwriter festival. Also appearing was Collins'[sic] friend, the Canadian poet and musician Leonard Cohen. HE and Joni met for the first time and were instantly smitten with one another. Cohen had achieved more public fame with his poetry and prose--four volumes of poetry and two novels--than his music by the time he appeared at Newport. His debut album _Songs of Leonard Cohen_ would appear later in 1967 [. . .] ." p. 61 Thanks for the MacLearn reference-- the bio pages at jonimitchell.com has the wrong year: 1966. - -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Notaro [mailto:notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:44 PM To: Richard Flynn; Joni List; 'Doug' Subject: Re: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK This is what it says. I see no reference to her meeting Cohen for the first time. Events Database 1967.07.16 - Newport Folk Festival, Newport, Rhode Island THE LADY IN NEWPORT By Lachlan MacLearn In the summer of 1966 [sic, should be 1967] a relative unknown walked onto the stage at the Newport, Rhode Island Folk Festival, after being introduced by Judy Collins. It was a breezy summer's evening and the crowd was restless. I remember thinking that this newcomer, whoever she was, was stepping into some serious company. I can't recall the exact lineup. Probably Tim Hardin, Fred Neil, Odetta, Phil Ochs, Tom Paxton, and the like. As I said, `serious company...' She appeared to be carrying a tiny Martin Triple-0, but I couldn't be sure. She wore a long dress. I was too far back to decipher the face. There was a round of light applause when she was introduced. A tentative strum rolled from the huge PA, then another, and she was beginning her opening number. The song was 'Michael from Mountains'. And by the end of the first verse, the crowd had gone from bordering-rude to pin-drop silence. I was riveted. When the song ended, the strangest thing occurred. For at least five seconds (look at your watch...try to imagine it) the place was dead-silent - ten or fifteen thousand people - dead silent - and then a huge release of cheers and applause. The short set included `Chelsea Morning', and I think she played `The Circle Game' before leaving the stage to a tumultuous and prolonged standing ovation. I remember feeling so grateful for this amazing new talent and feeling equally sorry for anyone unfortunate enough to be going onstage after her. > Apparently, she met Cohen for the first time at the Newport Songwriter's > Workshop , according to O'Brien (p. 61): > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/chronology/details.cfm?id=1086 > > If she did sing "Chelsea Morning" there, she would have written it before > she met him. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Notaro [mailto:notaro@stpt.usf.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:35 PM > To: Richard Flynn; Joni List; 'Doug' > Subject: Re: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK > > I find no evidence Joni lived there, but her great friend (lover, mentor, > etc.) of the time, Leonard Cohen, did. That is probably the first hand > connection. > > Jerry > > >> Doug and others, >> >> >> >> Apparently my subsequent posts didn't make it to the list. The most > likely >> erroneous info that Joni played "Chelsea Morning" in 1966 is from the url >> below. I also see no evidence that she ever lived in the Chelsea Hotel. >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:19 AM >> To: 'Beaumont, Lucy' >> Subject: RE: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK >> >> >> >> Lucy, >> >> The Chelsea Hotel is at >> >> 222 W. 23rd St >> New York, NY 10011 >> >> >> >> According to biographer Karen O'Brien, Joni moved to an apartment in >> Chelsea in April of 1967: 41 West 16th Street, so perhaps Lachlan >> MacLearn's memory of having heard "Chelsea Morning" at Newport in the > summer >> of 1966 is mistaken: >> >> http://www.jonimitchell.com/biography/bio.cfm?id=231 >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: Beaumont, Lucy [mailto:Lucy.Beaumont@sunday-times.co.uk] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:04 AM >> To: Richard Flynn >> Subject: RE: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK >> >> >> >> Hi Richard >> >> >> >> Ah, do not panic, do not panic! I was trawling around the Joni Mitchell >> website and your name was on the site's staff list, as well as your email >> address. I figured it was a stab in the dark worth making?! Let me know if >> any answers come up... >> >> >> >> Thanks very much for your response >> >> >> >> Lucy >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] >> Sent: 27 February 2007 16:01 >> To: Beaumont, Lucy >> Cc: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: RE: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK >> >> Dear Lucy Beaumont, >> >> >> >> I have no idea how you got my address as a contact for someone with > special >> information about Joni Mitchell. I am just a fan and have no connection > to >> the artist. That said, since Mitchell performed the song as early as > 1966, >> it had to be around then. I am sending a carbon copy of this to the Joni >> Mitchell Discussion List. Maybe someone there has more precise > information >> than I. >> >> >> >> Sincerely yours, >> >> Richard Flynn >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: Beaumont, Lucy [mailto:Lucy.Beaumont@sunday-times.co.uk] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:48 AM >> To: rflynn@frontiernet.net >> Subject: SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE UK >> Importance: High >> >> >> >> Hi Richard >> >> >> >> I am putting together a timeline on the Chelsea Hotel and its glittering >> array of residents, both past and present. I was hoping that you might be >> able to tell me the exact dates of when Joni Mitchell was living at the >> Chelsea Hotel, and which room she stayed in. I am presuming that it was >> before she wrote Chelsea Morning? >> >> >> >> I would be super grateful if you could get back to me asap on this! >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> Lucy Beaumont >> >> >> >> The Newspaper Marketing Agency: Opening Up Newspapers: >> >> >> >> www.nmauk.co.uk >> >> >> >> This e-mail and all attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If >> you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately. Do >> not use, disseminate, store or copy it in any way. Statements or opinions > in >> this e-mail or any attachment are those of the author and are not >> necessarily agreed or authorised by News International (NI). NI Group may >> monitor emails sent or received for operational or business reasons as >> permitted by law. NI Group accepts no liability for viruses introduced by >> this e-mail or attachments. You should employ virus checking software. > News >> International Limited, 1 Virginia St, London E98 1XY, is the holding > company >> for the News International group and is registered in England No 81701 >> >> >> >> The Newspaper Marketing Agency: Opening Up Newspapers: >> >> >> >> www.nmauk.co.uk >> >> >> >> This e-mail and all attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If >> you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately. Do >> not use, disseminate, store or copy it in any way. Statements or opinions > in >> this e-mail or any attachment are those of the author and are not >> necessarily agreed or authorised by News International (NI). NI Group may >> monitor emails sent or received for operational or business reasons as >> permitted by law. NI Group accepts no liability for viruses introduced by >> this e-mail or attachments. You should employ virus checking software. > News >> International Limited, 1 Virginia St, London E98 1XY, is the holding > company >> for the News International group and is registered in England No 81701 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:21:33 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: rickie lee et joni NJC I've always seen her as an offshoot of Laura Nyro anyway; the infusion of soul & R&B in her music, and the raw starkness of her piano and vocal. Not that she's appropriating or ripping off Nyro, just that it's a much shorter leap from RLJ to Laura than to Joni. And at the end of her day she's pretty much Bob NP: Badly Drawn Boy, "A Peak To Reach" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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I wonder because I'll probably ask for it for my birthday next month and chances are it'll need to be ordered so I will tell my brother and sister in advance. Thanks for your help as always! - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:24:26 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Luciana Souza...(njc) I'm listening to Luciana Souza -brazilian duos [written in lower case on album cover] and it is simply gorgeous. Maybe one of the most beautiful albums I've ever listened to. Larry Klein did good hooking up with her. I wonder if they'll do any joint projects. She continues to amaze me. Victor NP: Luciana Souza Documente ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:30:05 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: Thoughts on Hejira Monika, You couldn't have summed it up any better than in your last paragraph when you said "like I am not finished with it yet...". You may never be, I haven't heard the end of it yet after 30 years. There will be times when I haven't touched it in years then out it comes again. There are times Joni says she either writes music or paints but there are some albums where you get the distinct impression she's doing both. Hejira is one of them. The sonic and lyrical soundscapes she creates on this one and THOSL will bring difference images to you depending on your mood which makes you think that she may have been mixing two of her great talents together. 50 listenings from now you will still be discovering Hejira, enjoy! Bruce in AZ >Ok so as promised, for better or for worse, here is my review of Hejira as I >see it. Overall, I like the album. I think it really is a "thinking" album >and it make take some more time for me to fully absorb every angle of it. >Or perhaps, I will always learn something new when listening to it. Maybe >it's that kind of album? It's a very calm and somber album. I love the title >of it because it fits it so well. I read Joni wrote most of these songs on >her own journey and this really is an album that you would grab when driving a >long distance or when taking a mental break from everything around you. It's >such an isolated and lonely album in a way but it still has some comfort. >Maybe meditative is the word for it? It's got a very, very specific tone to >it. Very strange but that's how I hear it. And of course, I love all of >Joni's singing on it. There's something very soothing in her voice that brings >you relief in a sense. > My take track-by-track: >-Coyote: I knew this song from watching "The Last Waltz." I liked it right >there and then and like it even more. It's the lightest song on the album >and I love Joni's guitar on it. It's just really a fun song and it sounds like >Joni's having fun with it. A favorite, no questions asked! >-Amelia: This song represents the entire album really well. It's >interesting how Joni uses her perspective from different sources like this and relates >then back to herself maybe. >-Furry Sings The Blues: A very interesting look on things....and a big bonus >on this song is that Mr. Neil Young appears on the song! I think his >harmonica and the overall tone of the song work so great...This song has an >ambience to it...the whole album is like this.... >-A Strange Boy: Ooh, I like this song. Another favorite! I like the rhythm >guitar on it again and it brings up many questions. >-Hejira: Ooh, such a very reflective song with an opening that is just >haunting. I love Joni's singing on it in particular. >-Song For Sharon: I was listening to this album at work today and I stopped >working many times to listen closely to this particular track. There's so >much it in...especially with it being a longer song I still have to process it >fully--lyrically I mean. I do like it though. >-Black Crow: I love the words to this song. I also love the different >musical backing on it. It's something so different from anything I have ever >heard. >-Blue Motel Room: I noticed on some reviews this song got slammed. I don't >see why. I think it's a beautiful song with such texture. >-Refuge Of The Roads: Another favorite! What a perfect way to end this >album. A perfect end to a journey. I can't say anything more about it! > > Hey...so I do like the album a lot but I still feel like I need to be >taught something more....like I am not finished with it yet....there's more to >this journey haha.....know what I mean? >-Monika > >


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AOL now offers free >email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:25:56 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Luciana Souza...(njc) Equally great is Brazilian Duos II album of Luciana Souza. She also released an all-Neruda album 2 years ago which is a very nice alternative companion to the late mezzo Lorraine Hunt Lieberson's final album of Neruda's poems set to heartbreakingly tender music by her husband. Much as I admire Lieberson's version, Luciana's album of Neruda has a folk-song (Not necessarily folk) sensibility to it that appeals. Joseph in Chapel Hill I'm listening to Luciana Souza -brazilian duos [written in lower case on album cover] and it is simply gorgeous. Maybe one of the most beautiful albums I've ever listened to. Larry Klein did good hooking up with her. I wonder if they'll do any joint projects. She continues to amaze me. - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:34:18 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Question again Yep. Karen O'Brien: Shadows and Light. Michael F. >>>A while ago, I had asked what was a good book to read on Joni. I remember the author being Karen O'Brien I believe? Is that the correct author (my memory fails me) and what was the title of the book? _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:53:46 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Luciana Souza...(njc) She also did a wonderful job with the poems of my favorite poet, Elizabeth Bishop: http://www.amazon.com/Poems-Elizabeth-Bishop-Other-Songs/dp/B00004WK61 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Palis Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:26 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE : Luciana Souza...(njc) Equally great is Brazilian Duos II album of Luciana Souza. She also released an all-Neruda album 2 years ago which is a very nice alternative companion to the late mezzo Lorraine Hunt Lieberson's final album of Neruda's poems set to heartbreakingly tender music by her husband. Much as I admire Lieberson's version, Luciana's album of Neruda has a folk-song (Not necessarily folk) sensibility to it that appeals. Joseph in Chapel Hill I'm listening to Luciana Souza -brazilian duos [written in lower case on album cover] and it is simply gorgeous. Maybe one of the most beautiful albums I've ever listened to. Larry Klein did good hooking up with her. I wonder if they'll do any joint projects. She continues to amaze me. - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:46:17 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #64 In a message dated 2/27/2007 4:46:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: On a side note, I just realized something the other day - I have been on this list now for 9 years. NINE YEARS. True, I haven't been an active poster for the past 5, when the children started coming (up to 3 now, for those keeping count), and I am always many digests behind, but you know, I can never leave this place - what a special place it is. I had a similar thought the other day - I've been on this list for a long time and read it most every day. Really part of my morning ... It's like the news. Though I don't know anyone on the list, haven't met a single soul or even a phone call .. I feel the vibe that inhabits this space. I've gleaned good music tips, interesting web sites - and more recently - youtube scoops. I've also won in the I'm thinking of a song contest (with an extra bonus of a Joni concert photo that still sits by my monitor). Life is good! Glad to know you all. Tim


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:54:24 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Luciana Souza...(njc) Wow....she's even more amazing than I realized! Victor NP: Bill Frisell w/Elvin Jones- Moon River On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > She also did a wonderful job with the poems of my favorite poet, > Elizabeth > Bishop: > > http://www.amazon.com/Poems-Elizabeth-Bishop-Other-Songs/dp/B00004WK61 > > - > > Equally great is Brazilian Duos II album of Luciana Souza. She also > released > an all-Neruda album 2 years ago which is a very nice alternative > companion > to the late mezzo Lorraine Hunt Lieberson's final album of Neruda's > poems > set to heartbreakingly tender music by her husband. > > Much as I admire Lieberson's version, Luciana's album of Neruda > has a > folk-song (Not necessarily folk) sensibility to it that appeals. > > Joseph in Chapel Hill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:18:08 -0800 From: Subject: Re: HOSL & Hejira and Blue critics Marion wrote: > It was Marion, not Monica, who wrote about this critic. (Can anybody tell > me why the names Monica and Marion get mixed up so often? Oops! SorryI,and of course you should be recognized as individuals! ;-) >Anyhow, while Blue certainly meant a lot to people, it did not lament the >fate of "the people", i.e. the masses. Who are the "masses" and what it their "fate"? >This critic was looking for straightforward political expressions that of >course were not there. And I guess we both think that is kind of off, no? >Although in California (the song) there are enough hints at Joni's >political preferences...But they were not enough for him so he marked the >album as "bourgeois individualism". Those were the days...:-) Long live "bourgeois individualism" and whatever other labels some self-styled elitist crticic wants to put on people ;-) > Unfortunately, those days were gone by the time Joni did Dog eat dog, so > that wasn't politically correct, either. Ironic, isn't it? If you are talking about political correctness, which is its own form, DED was most definitely correct. Are you saying that she was criticized in the earlier years for not being overtly political and then redeemed herself by becoming more political in her lyrics in the 80s? It is funny because I am mostly "politically incorrect" on the Joni list but I have always been able to understand and agree with her take on the ills of the world. To me her work transcends the mere "political" and just draws upon universal, timeworn truths. Now, her new album - hmmm - I hope she keeps it universal and does not become partisan but from some of the comments related here, she may go that way. I hope not. A good message should reach all, not a select group. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:32:33 -0800 From: Subject: Hissing Lawns Smurf wrote: >It was on this list that I learned -- from a Joni quote, I think -- that the 'hissing' of >'Hissing' was a reference to those built-in sprinklers that are all over the >lawns of the well-to-do in southern California. Or maybe Kakki said it. I remember the thread but it wasn't me who came up with that insight. I think I raved on about how she so perfectly capured the mid-70s ennui of suburban L.A. (and probably other suburbs, as well). It wasn't a pretty album but it was searing! >Anyway, how would I know? I am getting on in years and have been on this list >since Clinton was in the White House. Bwahaha! Same here, although sometimes it seems like we have been here forever. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:57:53 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: lorraine hunt leiberson and elizabeth bishop, was: Luciana Souza...(njc) okay, richard, you kind of freaked me out. quite a few years ago, i attended an evening of music almost all composed by john harbison, and it included three songs on poems by elizabeth bishop, sung by lorraine hunt (before lieberson). i was lucky enough to hear lorraine hunt sing 8 or 9 times, but one song on this program is my favorite memory of her singing, but i'm nearly certain it was never recorded (hunt did record some other harbison works). the poem, unpublished, had been written by bishop as a potential lyric for a song to be sung by billie holiday. apparently bishop, by reputation a sensible shoes, buttoned-up type, had been quite obsessed with holiday, and indulged her fantasy by writing an imaginary song. harbison's setting combined that languid, mid-fifties jazz vocal style with the 20th century classical art song in a way i hadn't thought possible. and hunt sang it with a complete grasp of both styles, plus that amazing rich sound she had. i'll never forget it. so i thought you actually had lorraine hunt singing bishop. i've been listening to the neruda songs joseph mentioned obsessively lately. just such a tragic too-early loss. patrick np - Dub Beautiful Collective - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Richard Flynn Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:54 PM To: 'Joseph Palis'; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Luciana Souza...(njc) She also did a wonderful job with the poems of my favorite poet, Elizabeth Bishop: http://www.amazon.com/Poems-Elizabeth-Bishop-Other-Songs/dp/B00004WK61 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Palis Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:26 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE : Luciana Souza...(njc) Equally great is Brazilian Duos II album of Luciana Souza. She also released an all-Neruda album 2 years ago which is a very nice alternative companion to the late mezzo Lorraine Hunt Lieberson's final album of Neruda's poems set to heartbreakingly tender music by her husband. Much as I admire Lieberson's version, Luciana's album of Neruda has a folk-song (Not necessarily folk) sensibility to it that appeals. Joseph in Chapel Hill I'm listening to Luciana Souza -brazilian duos [written in lower case on album cover] and it is simply gorgeous. Maybe one of the most beautiful albums I've ever listened to. Larry Klein did good hooking up with her. I wonder if they'll do any joint projects. She continues to amaze me. - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:53:50 -0800 From: "Thea Chesney" Subject: Thoughts on Hejira Monika - Hejira is indeed one of those albums that will just keep growing on you. Every time I listen, the music means something slightly different, and this is several years after I bought the album (and a long time since I first heard some of the songs). I often find this to be the case with Joni's albums, but for some reason, especially THOSL, Hejira, and DJRD. It's definitely a traveling album; I've listened to it on a roadtrip across Nevada on Highway 50, and several times while flying somewhere - it seems to fit the mood perfectly. I really am enjoying reading your first reactions to these albums! I'm thinking back to the first time I listened to Hejira...how I heard the songs then and how I'm hearing them right now. I'd say Joni has taught me a lot since then, but she always has something more to say if you listen for it! Peace, Thea NP: Joni, Hejira, "Coyote" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #90 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------