From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #83 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 24 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 083 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- DC++ [Mark-Leon Thorne ] a parody (njc) [waytoblue@comcast.net] RE: DC++ ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: DC++ [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: DC++ ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Van the Man (joni content) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Miles Aisles...comments... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Miles Of Aisles...comments... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Miles Aisles...comments... [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book ["Randy Remote" ] baroque music anyone? (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book ["Marion Leffler" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:25:11 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: DC++ The web site is very informative except for one thing; it doesn't mention that it is for Windows platform only. I only found that out once I downloaded it and the file was .exe. This software is useless for Mac users. It is just a p2p file sharing program and there are plenty of good Mac based ones around. I recommend iSwipe or Cabos. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:50:02 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: a parody (njc) To the tune of Styx "Come Sail Away" written by Victor, a proud imac user. I'm using a Mac Set an open course for the internet Cause I've got to be free To download all the cool stuff that I can get I've got Garageband and itunes Powerpoint and Word Now I can even run Windows (Ain't that absurd!) And I'll try best as I can To carry on I'm not a PC All the hardware in this room Sparks my memory Some purple, some plaid I think of Apple II and the dreams we had We live happily forever, So the story goes. Though sometimes I wonder, If we got hosed. But we'll try best as we can, To carry on. A gathering of software, Appeared up on my screen. It sang to me this song of hope, And this is what it said, Come sail away, come sail away Come sail away, come sail away with me. I thought they were for PC But much to my surprise I installed all the programs And they all began with i's, They said come sail away, Come sail away, come sail away with me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:03:54 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: DC++ There is a Mac clients you can use on DC++ : http://sourceforge.net/projects/macdcpp/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark-Leon Thorne Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 3:25 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: DC++ The web site is very informative except for one thing; it doesn't mention that it is for Windows platform only. I only found that out once I downloaded it and the file was .exe. This software is useless for Mac users. It is just a p2p file sharing program and there are plenty of good Mac based ones around. I recommend iSwipe or Cabos. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:12:42 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: DC++ Thanks Richard but, " A port of DC++ to Mac OS X with a user interface according to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines. Because this client is built on DC++ it is compatible with the Windows version and the Macintosh version will benefit from future updates of DC++." - from the web site. I'll keep my eye out. Mark. On 24/02/2007, at 12:03 AM, Richard Flynn wrote: > There is a Mac clients you can use on DC++ : > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/macdcpp/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Mark-Leon Thorne > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 3:25 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: DC++ > > The web site is very informative except for one thing; it doesn't > mention that it is for Windows platform only. I only found that out > once I downloaded it and the file was .exe. This software is useless > for Mac users. It is just a p2p file sharing program and there are > plenty of good Mac based ones around. I recommend iSwipe or Cabos. > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:49:05 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: RE: DC++ How about this one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/shakespeer Quoting Richard Flynn : > There is a Mac clients you can use on DC++ : > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/macdcpp/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Mark-Leon Thorne > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 3:25 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: DC++ > > The web site is very informative except for one thing; it doesn't > mention that it is for Windows platform only. I only found that out > once I downloaded it and the file was .exe. This software is useless > for Mac users. It is just a p2p file sharing program and there are > plenty of good Mac based ones around. I recommend iSwipe or Cabos. > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:24:22 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Van the Man (joni content) Wow! Wow! Wow! What a concert! What an experience! What a memory! (smile) I wish I could have been with you to hear that version of "Moondance"! I would have been in seventh heaven! What a wonderful description of the concert! I'm so sorry that he had a cold but it sounds like he adapted well and still made the show wonderful. He's very much like Joni in his willingness to change musical styles. I always applaud that in an artist! I'm so glad that his fans are still loyal to him. How special that you have been one of the few to meet him! I didn't know he was reclusive! Thank you so much Kakki for re-telling that wonderful story! You see? I didn't forget it! That's the kind of impression it made on me. At that time, it was like a miracle that Joni was performing again. We spent many a day and night on this list "wishin-and-hopin-and-thinkin-and prayin" That Joni would perform again. We would share our daydreams, our nightdreams of how we wanted Joni to perform again. We were all on on accord with that one. Then, when our prayers were answered and we actually saw them come to pass, we were estactic and overjoyed! Our very first Jonifest in Pittsburgh was acutally more of a "long-fest" to hear Joni perform live...ahhh! We'd all sigh a lot, remember? I have yet to see Joni live but I have lived vicariously through my Joniamigos and I have been satisfied. I can't tell you the joy I felt for them as one by one, they got their prayers answered and got to meet Joni, chat with Joni, laugh with Joni, hear Joni...it was like heaven. I didn't need to be there. It was a very special time I will never forget. And then to have her touring with greats like Bob Dylan and Van Morrisson was like icing on the cake! I remember Kakki's story like it was yesterday! I felt like I was right there. I was so happy for her and I still am. Love, Sherelle Kakki wrote: > >Sherelle remembered: > >>I'm still thinking about the last experience you had chatting and talking >>with this wonderful artist! Do you remember? I think you had a chance to >>speak to his daughter as well! Am I remembering correctly? > >Yes! It was during the '98 tour of Bob-Van-Joni and they were playing two >nights at UCLA and one night in Anaheim. Since it was Joni's first tour in >many years a bunch of the jmdlers came to L.A. from all over and we made it >a big party. Our after concert spot was the Bel Air Hotel bar and Van and >his entourage were right there each night next to the JMDL entourage! At >one point I went out to the patios to have a cig and Van and his group were >out there and his manager started joking with me. Then I was invited over >and got to meet Van and kiss the ring, so to speak. The manager kept >razzing me about not brining Van a cigar so the next night we all went back >and there was Van and the group on the patio again and we gave him a big >Cohiba! His very sweet daughter Shana accepted the cigar and thanked us >and said it was sweet. But better than that, if you recall Duane from the >early years of the list, Duane had rented a suite at the hotel and a bunch >of people were over there during the day at the pool hanging out with Van >and Shana! > >I have become a sort of 'visiting" honorary member of the Van list every >year when he plays L.A. That list has it made because he tours ALL the >time and most of them follow him around. They are a diverse and great >group of people. They have extensive before and after concert gatherings >and this year I was greeted with the customary "Here comes the Joni >freak!!" welcome ;-) And every year they ask me to recount my meeting Van >at the Bel Air hotel story. Even though they go see him everywhere, most >of them have never gotten to meet him because he is so elusive/reclusive. > >As for the show last night, it was as unique as ever. Every show he does >has its surprises. The last few years he has really been on a bit of a >country/rockabilly music kick. His devout fans have not all liked it much >but they are loyal. Nonetheless, Van always mixes it up and includes lots >of different songs and styles. Last night was real different from other >years in that he was almost subdued. Everything was toned down where >usually it all goes full crank. I heard later that he was suffering from a >cold so maybe that made him a bit quieter. Shana sang a few songs with >him. He did some obscure oldies plus the requisite Moondance and Brown Eyed >Girl. My favorite aspects was that he played a whole lot of saxaphone on >many of the songs and he ended with Gloria which I have never heard him >sing live! The rendition of Moondance was also like nothing I had heard >before. It segued from jazz to samba to rockabilly to Joe Satriani to >Garth Brooks and finally to fiddles. It was nuts but it was beautiful, >too! >Van also was the most mellow I've ever seen him - almost downright cuddly >at times! He'll never bore you that is for sure! > >On a final Joni related note - the consensus of the Van list people was >that they especially have loved her recent albums with the orchestra - >especially Travelogue. It was all I could do not to laugh thinking of the >recent remarks here. I love those albums, too, but it was surprising to >hear it from the not so Joni fans! ;-) > >Kakki > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft. Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:11:30 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Fwd: Piano comedy act I don't normally pass this stuff on but it came to me from Beth Patterson therefore I thought it worthy of passing on especially since there is a Rachmaninov connect. best Paz (in Seattle) This takes a minute to load, but worth it!!! http://www.igudesmanandjoo.com/video/igujoo_rachmaninov.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:29:50 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Miles Aisles...comments... Well I now have heard Miles Of Aisles a good number of times. My thing is that you need to listen to an album atleast 3 times in its entirety before placing any judgment on it whatsoever. Give it all a chance man! Overall, it's a very enjoyable album. It seems Joni was at ease, the crowd (from what you hear in the clapping/cheering) was attentive and enjoying themselves, and it really has a great setlist. Let's see....I'll try not to go on and on about it....my favorites include: - -Big Yellow Taxi: This is ironic because to be quite honest I don't like the recorded LOTC version. I have never really liked this song...my brother had this song on our computer before I liked Joni...(he just likes BYT by Joni and that's it). However, with this new and fresh approach I really, really like the song. Joni's singing is top notch, the tempo/beat is unpeccable, and its really just an energized version. Love it. - -Woodstock: This is real cool. It's kind of a mix of rock-n-roll with a twist of a jazzy/funky feel. Plus, I love Joni's singing on it once again. - -CBS&SF: I just love this song in general. It's pretty straightforward. - -Blue/All I Want: Look above at the previous comment. But also....love Joni's singing once again. - -Jericho: What album is this from? I love the lyrics and Joni's singing again...her vocals are fantastic on this entire album. (And what is Love Or Money from as well?) As for any criticisms on specific songs.....well.....hmm....I suppose I don't really like the version of Carey on here. I can listen to it but I can just as well skip it and not feel bad about it, you know? Alright, that wasn't such a short email....but it could have been much longer had I gone in depth haha! You wouldn't want that. - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:43:18 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles Of Aisles...comments... Oh and yesterday I was listening to this album with my brother in the car on the way to the grocery store and he had a few trivial things to say (I figure it's Friday so it's time for some triviality and lightheartedness again!): - -On Blue: "Oh I can picture someone singing this on American Idol." (He watches the show) - -On Big Yellow Taxi: He was singing all the words to this song as this is the only song he likes by Joni...but when it came to the verse where she added words about the tractor and such he looked confused for a second so I took that moment to laugh at him.....he wondered why she added lyrics... - -On the talking prior to Circle Game: "Oh, just play already." He also murmured a whole bunch of things under his breath when she was talking about singing it together...things he didn't repeat back to me! - -On All I Want: As soon as it started playing, he said, "ooh let this one play." - -On Both Sides Now: "Judy made this song famous, not Joni.......and "this one has cute music" (He likes a few Judy Collins songs.) - -On Jericho: He said, "uh oh this one has sexy music." So that's my brother for you...he's 18 but you wouldn't know it.............I swear when boys/guys have not grown up yet you have to take their age and subtract 5 years from it to get what their real mental age is (my apologies to all the males on this list but I find it to be true with the guys I know! Haha) - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:17:17 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Miles Aisles...comments... True, but sometimes you know you have a stinker on your hands at the first go-round. <-Jericho: What album is this from? I love the lyrics and Joni's singing again...her vocals are fantastic on this entire album. (And what is Love Or Money from as well?)> Jericho was later released on Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (DJRD). Love or Money never saw any other release, though she did perform it on her 1976 tour as well as this one (1974). What about Rainy Night House? No comments on that one? Most of us rave over the MOA version vs. the LOTC one. 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He sees it as the highlight of her musical powers (as he puts it) and is puzzled by what he imagines is her turning away from these powers at the very moment of commercial success. In the author's mind, everything Joni did after Court and Spark is "arrogant, condescending and contemptous" - well, I would have preferred it if he had confined his writings to Court and Spark. He obviously has great affection for that album and has not listened too closely to any other. (I do not agree with his definition of previous albums, either. To him they are all expressions of a hippie culture that he writes about in a rather condescending manner. But then again, he was a kid in 1974 sitting on the passenger seat of his mum's car listening to Court and Spark, his very first pop experience - which is significant for understanding the way he feels about CS). Anyhow, if you are interested in suggestions of how to interprete the songs of Court and Spark, by all means, read the book. It's certainly worth spending a few bucks on, and some hours of your time. Just my opinion. Have a nice weekend, Marion in Sweden - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:57 AM Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book > Just finished this, and recommend it highly. > Normally I don't like song-by-song review type > books, but the author has lots of insights > into the themes and meanings Joni had > for these songs, some no doubt his own imagining. He also delves into the > lyrical content of songs from Blue and FTR > along the way. > He considers "Down To You" the pinnacle > of Joni's artistry, and has little praise for her > later period. I'm a music-first person, so it was > fun to read such well written views from a lyrics- > first person. It gives me a new respect for what > David Crosby says, that when the dust settles, > she will be...well,,,dusty I guess, but head and > shoulders above her contemporaries. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:55:23 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Any JMDLer's in the Syracuse, NY area? Please email me privately. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:55:45 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book From: "Marion Leffler" It's one person's analysis, though, > and tells at least as much about him as it does about the songs. I think > that he overdoes it sometimes, especially when he brings in Freud. For sure-like when he insists that Trouble Child is autobiographical- I'm not convinced, but he still manages to raise observations about the lyrics that are thought provoking. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:08:05 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: baroque music anyone? (njc) I saw this amazing group today at the Georgia State University recital hall, New Trinity Baroque. They originally formed at Trinity College in England but are now based out of Atlanta. The members are from all over the world and they play on period instruments. Today they featured one of their members playing an arched lute which was really cool and had a very pretty sound. I really felt transported back to a different time. It actually occurred to me that it was a medieval precursor to the Chapman Stick as it had several bass strings raised and then six or so treble strings. Their musicianship was impeccable...oddly they reminded me a little of Tom Waits, in their mannerisms and stage presence, even though musically they are totally different. Today, all of their material was composed by Vivaldi. Interesting though, how you can make parallels like that. They are doing a full concert tomorrow night, of Vivaldi, at their home base, St.Bart's Epsicopal Church, around the corner from my apartment actually though I'm not 100 percent sure I can make as I'm going to hear some jazz that night. They will also be traveling to Charleston for the Spiletto Festival as well as Connecticut and Boston this summer so check them out if they come to your neck of the woods. They also have several recordings. http://newtrinitybaroque.org Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:11:44 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Yes, definitely, I agree. I was especially impressed by his interpretation of Court and spark, the song. He convinced me that this was a song about choosing a different approach to love as such, choosing not to surrender to the temptation of falling in love when there is little to be gained by it and a lot to lose, without giving up on romance altogether. He insists that the entire album has to be viewed as a narrative, each song explaining the one before (with the exception of Raised on robbery) - intriguing but I am not sure if I'm convinced, I have to listen to it a couple of times more. Anyhow, the book is clever, brilliant even at times, but annoying at the end. Enjoy! Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "Marion Leffler" Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:55 AM Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book > From: "Marion Leffler" > It's one person's analysis, though, >> and tells at least as much about him as it does about the songs. I think >> that he overdoes it sometimes, especially when he brings in Freud. > > For sure-like when he insists that Trouble Child is autobiographical- > I'm not convinced, but he still manages to raise observations > about the lyrics that are thought provoking. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:27:23 -0800 From: Subject: Re: Van the Man (joni content) Thanks for bringing back all those fantastic memories, Sherelle! That was a whole amazing year with Joni touring all over, the Warner Bros. taping and two Jonifests within 6 months. I also think back on all the amazing recordings we got from the live shows thanks to simon. We were really high there for many months! I think I filled about 4 photos albums that year with all the events! Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #83 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------