From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #76 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 19 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 076 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book [Bob Muller ] Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article [Motitan@aol.com] NJC Rickie Lee in Cambridge [Chuck Eisenhardt ] njc, Save Our Selves Concerts ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article ["Evelyne Dubois" ] Re: Court & Spark 33 1/3 book ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Court & Spark 33 1/3 book NJC now [Bob Muller ] ashara jonifest ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Joni ["Dr. Katherine Whited" ] Re: Joni [Victor Johnson ] I had forgot.....Joni's piano playing... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Joni ["Dr. Katherine Whited" ] Re: Joni [Victor Johnson ] Re: For The Roses for the hippies? [Bobsart48@aol.com] njc, Chinese (Cafe) New Year & banyan trees & museums ["Patti Parlette" <] Re: Guitar Parts [Bobsart48@aol.com] njc ATTENTION GREG CAGNO ["gene" ] RE: Rickie Lee Jones NJC especially another sad song entry ["patrick lead] RE: Guitar Parts ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Dixie Chicks duet w/James Taylor - NJC ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:43:01 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Well, he loves C&S, that's for sure - the last chapter (and I'm not sure why it's even included) pretty much pisses on everything she did after it. I'll give him points for being honest and I even agree with some of what he says but you get the feeling he hasn't really given it much of a chance because it sounds so dramaticaly different from C&S. Oh well, that's Joni - always moving forward. I still stand by what I said about the book - it's a splendid analysis of C&S, at least from Sean's perspective. Bob NP: The Swimming Pool Q's, "Just Property" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:56:18 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article Yeah, Evelyne: what you said. I did not appreciate the tone of that interview. I did like the things Joni said. Way to go Joni! _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:01:33 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Carlos Castaneda not much jc >Regarding Castaneda, I think I just don't like the way his book is written >- the book is crap Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:01:14 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: e: Carlos Castaneda not much jc Norma Jean wrote: <> Oh, I totally agree. I love Native American culture, I've loved it since I was a young child. And I totallly get the whole "link with nature" lifestyle - such a beautiful, pure, natural way to live one's life. And I don't even have a problem with the ritualistic hallucinogenic drugs - I have the utmost respect for native cultures. Sometimes I wonder if I have a bit of Native American blood in me. Joni has some, and my grandmother's face looks almost identical to Joni's. Sure, this is much wishful (and probably delusional) thinking on my part; however, my grandmother's background has always been kept a secret from the family, not sure why - it is such a mystery. Regarding Castaneda, I think I just don't like the way his book is written - maybe the writing style - I dunno - it just seems like so many details that would be so pertinent and interesting have been left out. There are gaps or something in the writing, and I get the feeling some of his experiences are made up, but I can't really explain why I feel that. My problem. _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN. Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:05:17 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article Thanks for posting that. It was an interesting read. Funny how the guy implies that the body is a "microcosm" of the world and smoking is no different than polluting or tainting the Earth! LOL! It's very strange he chose to concentrate on her smoking. Lord knows if ANYONE ELSE actually got to interview her we wouldn't dare ask anything more about the ballet....or about her new songs....or about any past work she's done...or her perspective on things. Smoking is just that interesting. I mean, no one else smokes, right? Haha. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:10:53 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC Rickie Lee in Cambridge Barb and I saw Rickie Lee last night in Cambridge. (Sanders Theater, a great venue) The place has excellent acoustics, seats about 450 (maybe) We lucked out on the seats - Mezzanine Left, which were about 35 feet to center stage. I didn't take notes on the progression of the set, but I'll try to start filling in a bit the previous general comments about the NY show. As some here and some reviewers have commented, she is touring on the new album but the new/old mix seemed perfect to me....about 60-40 but intelligently mixed. I believe she played the entire new album. I had just listened to "Sermon on Exposition Blvd' once, and partially at that, and it disappointed at first. (I should say I am a life-long fan (even tho I have had to contend with all the ChuckE jokes). Prior to the concert I read the press and listener reviews on Amazon, which are uniformly in the 5-start range (after repeated exposures, anyway....sound familiar?) Anyway, I was hearing the new material mostly cold at the concert, and I have never warmed up to an artistic sea-change as quickly as I did last night! As in NY she started a little demurely and solo on piano. A new tune, then 'Magazine' the another familiar oldie (during which the guy next to us started singing along - jeez! but I think his partner kicked hiim in the shin...) Then the band came out. Two guitars, Fenderbass (sometimes bowed) drums, two male backup singers. (surrounded by men....sound familiar?) One of the singers was Lee Cantelon, who co-wrote a tunes or two and art directed the CD, and who Rickie introduced as 'my friend and counselor' He seemed to be on-stage more as spiritual inspiration for the record's material, having written the book 'The Words' upon which Rickie IMPROVISED several of the new tunes. The new compositions are extremely simple melodically, rarely straying from 3 chords, but incredibly intense and mostly up-beat. There is a good deal of Christian imagery and commentary but this is in no way 'Christian Music 'in the charted sense. In fact it is anti-church and about personal spirituality. And occasionally light and irreverent ('following my donkey into town') Rickie started playing mostly tambourine letting the band cover new tunes 'Nobody Knows My Name, Falling Up, then announcing Lamp of the Body but quickly changing her mind. She strapped on her Strat and did 'Last Chance Texaco' and I just about lost it. She followed this with a wah-wah 'Youngblood' that rocked the house. She went back to new material. Many of the new songs are like little pictures that appear and close down rather quickly, or as she said it 'like rooms in house which you go into, and then leave'. They are not verse-chorus tunes of contrasting alternating structures, , they are more like simple states. At the end of some of the new tunes the audience was careful to be sure it was time for applause, tho I also found I usually could sense and see the rightness when a song was stated and done. The music allows for band improvisation and jams, but Rickie is always in utter and complete control of the proceedings, often using hand directions to encourage or adjust the vibe. At one point she was looking for more energy out of the new-since the album) drummer and she stopped and laughed and said 'They're so fucking scared of me!) A lead guitarist introduced as 'Junior' was very twitchy, playing thru a battery of effects, computers, and a little MIDI keyboard. He was distracting but made nice sounds (when he wasn't getting burned in the mix) After several of the new tunes met with a very warm response, she thanked the audience is what appeared to be significant surprise and genuine humility. Perhaps she was singing to the choir in Cambridge....I'm not sure were she is going in 'Tried to Be a Man'....which she introduced by saying she imagined there were many in the audience who had also tried that....I didn't take it to be anti-lesbian, but it didn't seem to be about W. either. The VOICE! Her voice is still crystal...drills right through you, then goes to a whisper. It's quite clear that she is taking care of her voice (sound unfamiliar?) It was interesting to come home and play the album. Again, I cannot believe how quickly the new material has become accessible, for such a dramatic stylistic departure.... Of her old stuff, 'Flying Cowboys' comes to mind as somewhat close to the new material. Rickie is a one-of-a-kind. I think she might be the last true Bohemian. And she is just in purest joy onstage, and that's fun to be around. ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:23:55 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article I read the article again and honestly it didn't really bother me at all. I think there is a way Joni Mitchell is viewed on this discussion list (for the most part anyway, everyone has their own perspective obviously) and when reporters don't mirror the same great admiration that is felt here, they come across as lacking or not presenting her in the proper light that is befitting to someone of her magnitude. I think the way Alexandria Gill presented her is pretty honest to the way a lot of people view her. It wasn't written for the jmdl per say. I found the part about smoking very interesting...I liked the comparison of smoking one cigarette to the RV's puffing out so many obnoxious fumes. I also think Joni is very lucky she hasn't suffered more detriment to her health from smoking. Many people have been far less fortunate. Anyway, I found this interview intriguing, more so than if I had just heard things I already know or believe. Just my two cents. Victor NP: YES - I Would Have Waited Forever On Feb 17, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Evelyne Dubois wrote: > > > I've read the article and didn't appreciate one bit the way Joni was > portrayed. God, leave her alone with the smoking and concentrate on > where > she's coming from (personally AND generation wise, not to say > historically), > what she's pointing to!! Leave the damn shallow journalistic critic > lines > and give us the substance we're all desperatly in need of ...... > > I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:44:49 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Paradise Paved Bon dimanche, tout le Jonimonde! Marianne wrote: I love hearing stuff like that. Thanks Kenny. ***** Moi, aussi. Merci, Kenny. Joni, Joni, everywhere! Here's a little headline from my Sunday paper: *** "Area Churches Going Back to the Garden: Faithful Take Small Steps to Address Global Warming" **** "And we've got to get ourselves....." And speaking of global warming, have you heard about.... Oh, wait a sec.....I'll make that a separate post. Love, Patti P. >From: PassScribe@aol.com Hey, gang, I know some folks enjoy hearing about even minor mentions of Joni or references to her, so I'm forwarding the following bit of news. On the front cover of (Long Island's) Newsday, Part 2, is a photo of an old barn here on LI (by someone I know in the Huntington CC, no less) and the lead-in under it: "They may have paved paradise, but the Heckscher Museum Of Art looks past the parking lot to a time now lost", and- of course- it's all about preserving the island's past history, etc. That's it... no big deal... Kenny B _________________________________________________________________ Refi Now: Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-17727&moid=7581 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:53:23 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Save Our Selves Concerts "I went looking for a cause Or a strong cat without claws Or any reason to resume......" I love concerts for a cause, don't you? "Everybody, come together, right now...." Voila: "Live Earth Concerts in All 7 Continents to Reach Global Audience of Over 2 Billion Los Angeles, CA  Detailing a historic effort to engage billions of people across the globe, Kevin Wall, Al Gore, Pharrell Williams, Mana, Cameron Diaz, and the MSN Network today launched Save Our Selves (SOS)  The Campaign for a Climate in Crisis. The announcement was made at the California Science Center. SOS is designed to trigger a global movement to combat our climate crisis. It will reach people in every corner of the planet through television, film, radio, the Internet and Live Earth, a 24-hour concert on 7/7/07 across all 7 continents that will bring together more than 100 of the worlds top musical acts. Live Earth alone will engage an audience of more than 2 billion people through concert attendance and broadcasts. MSN has partnered with SOS to use its reach to make the Live Earth concerts available across the globe. The Live Earth audience, and the proceeds from the concerts, will create the foundation for a new, multi-year global effort to combat the climate crisis led by The Alliance for Climate Protection and its Chair, Vice President Al Gore. SOS was founded by Kevin Wall, who won an Emmy as Worldwide Executive Producer of Live 8. Announced performers so far: Pharrell Red Hot Chili Peppers Foo Fighters Snoop Dogg Lenny Kravitz Bon Jovi Paolo Nutini Sheryl Crow AFI Melissa Etheridge John Mayer Damien Rice Corinne Bailey Rae Duran Duran Snow Patrol John Legend Black Eyed Peas Akon Enrique Iglesias Fall Out Boy Mana Keane Kelly Clarkson Korn Faith Hill w/ Tim McGraw Bloc Party and Joni Mitchell! ONLY KIDDING!!!! (tee hee.....sorry, Joniamigos, I couldn't resist the tease!) Anyway, that's all from: http://liveearth.org/?p=22 Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN. Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:56:47 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article Gotta chime in. As for the reporters's coming down on Joni's smoking habits - well, lets face it, nowadays smoking does bother a lot of people and anyway, it's not "politically correct" so I am not surprised. Her persistence might encourage other hopeless smokers to hold their ground but in the end it's her own business. It's also in accordance with her image as an independant person who does her own thing whether it's in or out. (She obviously did try to quit at some point. In earlier interviews she mentioned that she did a lot of knitting to keep herself from smoking). Journalists write for a certain public - in this case obviously not for Joni's fans which is why so many of us here on this list are dissatisfied with the article. I don't think that objecting to the way she is being portrayed necessarily should be interpreted as an inability to have any kind of objective view. In everyday life we can see when people are being treated unfairly regardless of our own views of them, can't we? Why shouldn't we be able to do so when reading an article on somebody we admittedly do not know personally but do know a lot about? Just my thoughts, Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "Evelyne Dubois" Cc: "Michael O'Malley" ; ; Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article >I read the article again and honestly it didn't really bother me at all. >I think there is a way Joni Mitchell is viewed on this discussion list >(for the most part anyway, everyone has their own perspective obviously) >and when reporters don't mirror the same great admiration that is felt >here, they come across as lacking or not presenting her in the proper >light that is befitting to someone of her magnitude. I think the way >Alexandria Gill presented her is pretty honest to the way a lot of people >view her. It wasn't written for the jmdl per say. I found the part about >smoking very interesting...I liked the comparison of smoking one cigarette >to the RV's puffing out so many obnoxious fumes. > I also think Joni is very lucky she hasn't suffered more detriment to her > health from smoking. Many people have been far less fortunate. > > Anyway, I found this interview intriguing, more so than if I had just > heard things I already know or believe. > > Just my two cents. > > Victor > > NP: YES - I Would Have Waited Forever > > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Evelyne Dubois wrote: > >> >> >> I've read the article and didn't appreciate one bit the way Joni was >> portrayed. God, leave her alone with the smoking and concentrate on >> where >> she's coming from (personally AND generation wise, not to say >> historically), >> what she's pointing to!! Leave the damn shallow journalistic critic >> lines >> and give us the substance we're all desperatly in need of ...... >> >> I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:17:36 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article On Feb 18, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Marion Leffler wrote: > Journalists write for a certain public - in this case obviously not > for Joni's fans which is why so many of us here on this list are > dissatisfied with the article. Then we're in agreement. Although the term "Joni's fans" encompasses a broad range of people, fans of all degrees from slight fans to huge fans > I don't think that objecting to the way she is being portrayed > necessarily should be interpreted as an inability to have any kind > of objective view. In everyday life we can see when people are > being treated unfairly regardless of our own views of them, can't > we? Why shouldn't we be able to do so when reading an article on > somebody we admittedly do not know personally but do know a lot about? > Just my thoughts, > Marion Nobody said there was an inability to have any kind of objective view. I just don't agree that she was really treated unfairly. Both opinions are valid. Victor YES - Take the Water to the Mountains ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:01:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Patty Griffin/chord of inquiry NJC >Patty Fans-(kate?) Has anyone else picked up the latest from Patty, "Children Running Through"? It's quite nice, and there is one song in particular, 'someone else's tomorrow' that is framed on the most beautiful and odd piano riff that sounds to me like what Joni means by "chords of inquiry." < I haven't heard it yet, but looking forward... I love sus chords too ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:56:59 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Court & Spark 33 1/3 book Hi, gang, I decided to get the C&S 33 1/3 book after hearing so much about it on this site. I went to a nearby Borders but the clerk said they have never stocked it at that store. She checked the warehouse but none were available; she said there were six "used" copies available at prices like $30 to $40. Apparently, a lot of people think it's scare and very collectable already. I went home, found it online through one of the stores on Amazon.com, and ordered it (new, softcover) for $9.95 plus $3.49 S&H. There were other "used" copies online for big bucks as well... what's going on here? Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:07:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Jones NJC >I know a lot of people would disagree, but I think her work on The Magazine was some of her most brilliant, but that is when she seemed to nose-dive into obscurity. Much like Joni at the time of Hissing of Summer Lawns. (BTW-The remaster of Hissing by Dave is MAGNIFICENT--it got me to dancing round my apartment!)< She got married, had a child & lived in Europe for awhile I think ...& eventually was divorced... also I think she moved to Seattle area for awhile? not sure of the timing of all that but her daughter is in her late teens now I think... so perhaps she was obscure cuz she was raising a child? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:12:50 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article Good afternoon dear people, I too did appreciate some things that were said, or quoted I should say. Michael phrased it well. Like all of us, Joni must be irritated (and irritating) at times and not so open and graceful as she can be. But you know, I'm not sure I was nagged by the fact that the journalist didn't admire her as much as I. For myself, angelism brings about the same feelings. I've never been totally comfortable with the term "fan", or "guru" neither. In an ideal world, I'd like to see people that have some sort of "authority" or "power" (journalists being one important type cuzzz reaches a wide audience) take the TIME to reflect a bit more upon the meaning of things. True she's not treated THAT unfearly, but I felt the article missed depth and discernement, more of what you get from a pedestrian view. But I'll admit being a bit impulsive and intense at times :-). Thank you for your comments. We're thick in snow up here in Montreal, snow flacks are HUGE. Beautiful. Evelyne. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "Evelyne Dubois" Cc: "Michael O'Malley" ; ; Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article > > I read the article again and honestly it didn't really bother me at > all. I think there is a way Joni Mitchell is viewed on this > discussion list (for the most part anyway, everyone has their own > perspective obviously) and when reporters don't mirror the same > great admiration that is felt here, they come across as lacking or > not presenting her in the proper light that is befitting to someone > of her magnitude. I think the way Alexandria Gill presented her is > pretty honest to the way a lot of people view her. It wasn't written > for the jmdl per say. I found the part about smoking very > interesting...I liked the comparison of smoking one cigarette to the > RV's puffing out so many obnoxious fumes. > I also think Joni is very lucky she hasn't suffered more detriment to > her health from smoking. Many people have been far less fortunate. > > Anyway, I found this interview intriguing, more so than if I had just > heard things I already know or believe. > > Just my two cents. > > Victor > > NP: YES - I Would Have Waited Forever > > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Evelyne Dubois wrote: > > > > > > > I've read the article and didn't appreciate one bit the way Joni was > > portrayed. God, leave her alone with the smoking and concentrate on > > where > > she's coming from (personally AND generation wise, not to say > > historically), > > what she's pointing to!! Leave the damn shallow journalistic critic > > lines > > and give us the substance we're all desperatly in need of ...... > > > > I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:17:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: 83 tour I saw this tour in SB... I remember she introduced the bass player as her husband, I think somehow I knew she'd gotten married... although I'd been a joni fan since her first record, this was my first time seeing her in concert... Lesli >and I was lucky enough to go to all three shows in the la area on her 83 tour. That was a long tour, beginning with the segment in japan and ending i think late in July. I thought joni played the same songs each night but in a different order. the night at irvine meadows was different. Joni seemed to be straining, fighting her way through the songs to. Right after " For Free" joni left the stage leaning on klein, only about 2/3 of the way though the show. there was no "heard it through the grapevine encore that night! remember the crowd booing--does this sound familiar jill? or anyone? somebody said the universal or irvine show was pretty choeorgraphed. imho that was due to klein. the band was actually wearing uniforms, black leather pants and white shirts. Then, she introduced klein as her husband. a big gasp from the crowd! how could this be so? i had heard she'd gotten married but DID NOT BELIEVE IT . crown and anchor joni? i never thought marriage was ever something she'd consider doing again. Do these recollections ring any bells? all so long ago before i realized i should write all things about joni down immediately.< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:47:27 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Court & Spark 33 1/3 book > Hi, gang, > I decided to get the C&S 33 1/3 book after hearing so much about it on > this site. I went to a nearby Borders but the clerk said they have never > stocked it at that store. She checked the warehouse but none were > available; she > said there were six "used" copies available at prices like $30 to $40. > Apparently, a lot of people think it's scare and very collectable already. > I went home, found it online through one of the stores on Amazon.com, > and ordered it (new, softcover) for $9.95 plus $3.49 S&H. There were > other > "used" copies online for big bucks as well... what's going on here? > > Kenny B But was anyone buying? Maybe because Amazon had it listed for so many months as unavailable before it was published, people assumed it was rare or OOP. As I said, I enjoyed the book, although he did kind of trash "Raised On Robbery" as insincere fluff-one of my favorites! So after reading the book, I put on the headphones and had a good listen to C&S, and after all that, totally ignored the lyrics anyway. One thing I hadn't really noticed before was the bridge part of "Just Like This Train" where Max Bennett's bass playing sounds very much like Jaco. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:40:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Court & Spark 33 1/3 book NJC now It happens sometimes - sellers try to create the illusion that something is RARE or OUT OF PRINT, and sometimes people believe them without checking around first. Some people have more money than sense, Kenny - be glad that YOU are not one of them. Bob NP: Rickie Lee, "Nobody Knows My Name" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:43:19 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: ashara jonifest Ashara, can I still send you my check Sorry I am late. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN. Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:21:47 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Joni Nice collection of articles, photos and video if Joni. http://www.canada.com/cityguides/edmonton/story.html?id=cfb665e2-b9df-487e-a36a-50ea70cfbb20&k=66889 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:44:30 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni On Feb 18, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Dr. Katherine Whited wrote: > Nice collection of articles, photos and video if Joni. > I checked it out and I think it actually is Joni! Victor ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:20:24 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: I had forgot.....Joni's piano playing... I had asked your favorite singing and guitar playing of Joni's but didn't ask what are your favorite piano peformances or piano bits by her. I mean she's played almost as much piano as guitar if not the same amount (well I'm not familiar with her later works yet so I don't know about those) so it's almost unfair not to ask. So what are your favorite piano parts/piano songs by Joni? Why those? - -monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:49:55 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Re: Joni spelling error. I meant 'of' not 'if' On 2/18/07, Victor Johnson wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Dr. Katherine Whited wrote: > > > Nice collection of articles, photos and video if Joni. > > > > > I checked it out and I think it actually is Joni! > > Victor ;-) > - -- "In every culture and in every medical tradition before ours, healing was accomplished by moving energy." Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, Nobel Laureate in Medicine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:06:03 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni I figured as much. I was just having fun pretending it was 'if'. The English language can be hilarious sometimes...I was listening to the radio the other week and someone was reading a list of actual headlines that were hysterical. Victor NP: NBA Allstar game in Sin City. On Feb 18, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Dr. Katherine Whited wrote: > spelling error. I meant 'of' not 'if' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:48:58 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: For The Roses for the hippies? In a message dated 2/13/2007, Marion wrote: "Hi, I am new on this list so maybe I shouldn't jump in yet but I just have to say that I totally agree, Joni never made any hippie album (and yes, I am old enough to remember the sixties). Then again, it could be discussed what defines "hippie music"? The Byrds came pretty close, I think...And some of Joni's songs could certainly qualify, for example Woodstock and Roses Blue. But never an entire album, and she had definitely grown out of the hippie scene by Blue. Love to you all, Marion" I think that Joni would agree. From "The Boho Zone" "I was a hopeful in rooms like this When I was working cheap It's an old romance the Boho dance It hasn't gone to sleep But even on the scuffle The cleaner's press was in my jeans And any eye for detail Caught a little lace along the seams..................... Nothing is capsulized in me On either side of town The streets were never really mine Not mine, not mine, these glamour gowns" Along the lines of "never an album, but maybe a song" (never is a big word) - - I would agree with your choice of Woodstock, although it not only captures the spirit of the movement and the event, but has a timelessness about it that reflects the best of that movement. And, by use of the first person, Joni throws her hat into the spirit - "We've got to get ourselves back to the garden". I do not really agree with Roses Blue, which is to me more a troubled if not scathing commentary on the foibles of the scene and its shortcomings - not to say potential failings (directionally, think Charles Manson). Morning Morgantown comes closer to the genre, IMO. Or Sisotowbell Lane. Or even Chelsea Morning. Or Morning Morgantown. And you know there may be more :-) Maybe we could collect a dozen and make an album of them after all........ :-) OK here goes my shot at songs that IMO capture a bit of the hippie sentiment - - all from Joni's first 4 albums. I like all the songs, but I'm glad she spread them out ;-) Michael From Mountains Marcie Nathan La Franeer Sisotowbell Lane Chelsea Morning The Fiddle and the Drum Morning Morgantown Big Yellow Taxi Woodstock All I Want My Old Man California Bobsart PS - on the subject of sad songs, two sad ones from PP&M that always got to me were their cover of Bob Dylan's Dream, and The Great Mandella. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 03:09:14 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Chinese (Cafe) New Year & banyan trees & museums Happy Chinese (Cafe) New Year! I started to write this Friday and then (weak and a lazy mind) forgot to complete it and send it. Alors, voila: An announcement I received set me off into JMOCD w/ the word "banyan"....not a word you see everyday. Empty halls and beveled mirrors Sailing seas and climbing banyans Come out for a visit here... to our art museum to make a Chinese (Cafe) New Year's wish: "CELEBRATE THE CHINESE NEW YEAR NOW THROUGH SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 18 The Benton Museum offers a variation on the Chinese tradition of writing your hopes and dreams on colored paper, putting them in red envelopes, tying them to oranges, and hurling them into an age-old banyan tree; if they snag on a branch, it's believed that your wishes will ascend to heaven. There will be no orange hurling at the Benton, but you're invited to write your wish or prayer on a red paper, tie it up and hang it on a venerable old branch from the Store Manager's backyard." Methinks our art museum needs more trees, which would make it then a what? Are there really banyan trees in the California canyons, Lady Lesli? If I had my way I'd wander over to the museum to write my hopes and dreams on colored paper and put them in red envelopes (reds are sweet), and I would tie them to a whole BOWL of oranges too, and hurl them into an age-old banyan tree, wishing that the wars were done. Love & peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:47:14 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Guitar Parts Lamadoo wrote: "* The slapping duel at the beginning of "God Must Be A Boogie Man" on MINGUS. * The loosely strung intro to "Cold Blue Steel". When someone plays this in person, as Catherine did at JoniFest, it's even more amazing. Jim L. >What are your favorite guitar songs by Joni or your favorite guitar parts she has played and from which songs?>" I have posted in the past about a number of Joni guitar compositions that I have admired over the years (including CBSASF). This week's batch is biased by having put DJRD in my car CD player and leaving it there all week. The whole record is really something in terms of guitar composition, but I am particularly taken by the Overture and Cotton Avenue and by Otis and Marlena. That said, Silky Veils and Off Night Backstreet are outstanding examples too. And the rhythm playing on Talk to Me and DJRD just drives those two pieces. I am even coming to love Jericho - which was a sad song for me, in that I felt it revealed something of a lack of essential insight into what love is about on Joni's part. Lately, I have come to appreciate it as a very honest and open reflection of her feeling and thoughts, which overshadows the human weakness I perceive (and that is just my perception). The guitar work is very strong on Jericho. I would have to say that the album DJRD contains her most interesting work in terms of guitar composition, and is way up there on my favorites list overall. Unlike Kakki, I love Hejira - she was thinking, thinking, and I love to think, think and hear Joni thinking, thinking. Then, one record later, she changes pace, and is living, living, reckless multiplicity. Unconscious. The incredible progression of the seven record span from LOTC to DJRD is truly mind blowing to me - not a mediocre song in the entire span, and the end is nothing like the beginning. Mingus represented a diversion of sorts and a deflection of sorts, as the work was not all hers, and her subsequent work went in a very different direction althogether. I repeat my earlier query as to what her next record would have been like if Mingus had not beckoned. She was on her way out of orbit altogether, and then she sort of found her way back to earth - - maybe something about getting married, I dunno. At that time, she had lost me anyway - glad I eventually caught up. Bobsart PS - I attended a concert last Saturday night at Carnegie Hall by Paco de Lucia. May the Lord strike me dead if I ever again refer to myself as a person who plays the guitar, much less as a guitarist. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:51:25 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: njc ATTENTION GREG CAGNO I'm not sure if Greg is a lister---but I remember his name being bantered about a while back. I just wanted Greg to know that his cover of "We Are Each Other"s Angels" is the absolute best I've heard. And wondered if these added lyrics were his own. "It's the human voice of kindness It's a simple outstretch hand It's a shoulder for which to lean on It's leg on to which to stand It's a sense of kindred spirit That will look after it's own Feed you like a neighbor Barren soup made from a stove" And to all the rest of you "Gung Hey Fat Choy"!! Long life, Good Health, and Wealth to All gene ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:06:27 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Rickie Lee Jones NJC especially another sad song entry hey there ken, and any other rickie lee fans including chucke. i just read the wikipedia bio, which is probably very accurate, and there is a lot of talk of her drug and alcohol problems, which i'd heard about for years. the first time i saw her was at the berkeley community theater in 1982 (a week or so before the l.a. concert that became most of "girl at her volcano") and she was very high, slurring her words and passing out bourbon to the front row. but musically and performance-wise, brilliant. it was painful to watch, and wonderful at the same time.. i've seen her several times since, and she's been quite fantastic, especially summer of '05 outdoors at the brooklyn prospect park bandshell when she gave one of the warmest shows i've heard. rob wasserman guesting again. each time i've seen here she's been happier and more stable than that first, difficult concert. i do agree that her early stuff was amazing, but i think flying cowboys (1989) is just brilliant, too, as good as the first three studio albums. i think 'evening of my best day' (2003) is almost up there, i've sure listened to it a lot this year... as for her latest, it's a sneaky little album. i was struck, as was chuck, by the fact that the songs are melodically extremely simple. but listening pretty consistently for a couple of days, i've had little grace note completely leap out at me. there are some great arrangement/production things going on; not really ostentatious but more, as i said, sneaky. and, while i haven't watched the dvd yet, i'm letting the little stories, or reveries, or whatever they are, worm they way in. it's just so different from most projects that popular music artists do, and i find that completely satisfying. i'm really looking forward to getting to know the album better. by the way, on the recent discussion of sad songs, i have to add rlj's 'skeletons' both for the whole story and just for the way she sings certain lines. what do birds leave behind, of the wings that they came with? skeletons, by rickie lee jones, 1982 she was pregnant in may now they're on their way dashing thru the snow to st. john's, here we go well, it could be a boy but it's okay if he's a girl oh, these things that grow out of the things that we give we should move to the west side they still believe in things that give a kid half a chance when he pulled off the road step in a waltz of red moonbeams said he fit an apb, a robbery nearby and he go for his wallet and they thought he was going for a gun and the cops blew bird away some kids like watching saturday cartoons some girls listen to records all day in their rooms but what do birds leave behind, of the wings that they came with if a son's in a tree building model planes? skeletons, skeletons patrick np - rlj, on the street where you live ps. the two youtube clips you mentioned were amazing. i don't agree that she was high at the letterman show, she's just that quirky all the time. and what an amazing performance. the french show i believe you're correct, she was very high, but also in great musical form. i don't know how she did it. thanks for describing them. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of kjhsf@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:56 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Rickie Lee Jones NJC Feeling a bit let down with Rickie's latest, though there are a couple of tracks that are kind of nice. In any case, I was browsing through youtube and typed in Rickie Lee Jones and came across a STELLAR performance of her around 1985 on Letterman singing "the Magazine". Very Laura Nyro-esque. There is also a fantastic video of her performing Weasel and The White Boys Cool in Paris in 1983. It's got me wondering exactly what happened to her. On the DVD of the new CD, there is a little spot where she reminisces about the way her career started, and how she has no regrets about not following down that road (fame? glamour?), even though it hurts so much to be where she is now. Her early stuff was so powerful to me-very musical and beautifully executed. But in the early videos of her, particularly in the brief post performance chat with Letterman, she appears strung out beyond words. And from the glazed look in her eyes during the Paris performance, I am amazed that she was able to sing and play so wonderfully. Fans of Rickie-check out these clips on youtube before they're discovered and removed. I'm curious to know what other fans of RLJ think. Ken ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 02:08:44 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Guitar Parts You said that the arc from LOTC to DJRD is mind blowing for many reasons including "the end is nothing like the beginning". Right. In addition, the middle (BLUE) is nothing like the beginning or the end either. It's not just that she had a wide palette. She swapped out entire palettes and STILL kept the quality up above most solo-Beatle albums. I enjoyed reading this. Bob, I hope someday you'll hear Marian Russell play "Overture" for you. It was a shock. Jim L. Bobsart said, in part, > I would have to say that the album DJRD contains her most interesting work in terms of guitar composition, and is way up there on my favorites list overall. Unlike Kakki, I love Hejira - she was thinking, thinking, and I love to think, think and hear Joni thinking, thinking. Then, one record later, she changes pace, and is living, living, reckless multiplicity. Unconscious. The incredible progression of the seven record span from LOTC to DJRD is truly mind blowing to me - not a mediocre song in the entire span, and the end is nothing like the beginning. Mingus represented a diversion of sorts and a deflection of sorts, as the work was not all hers, and her subsequent work went in a very different direction althogether. I repeat my earlier query as to what her next record would have been like if Mingus had not beckoned. She was on her way out of orbit altogether, and then she sort of found her way back to earth - maybe something about getting married, I dunno. At that time, she had lost me anyway - glad I eventually caught up. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 02:10:40 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Dixie Chicks duet w/James Taylor - NJC For anyone who might be interested, here is a link I sent to a friend recently it's an audio recording of the Dixie Chicks with James Taylor performing "Sweet Baby James". It's from the program CMT Crossroads. I hope you enjoy it. http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=batch_download&batch_id=RlRweFVY cHZwM2w1VEE9PQ Warmly, Cassy NP: Del Amitri - Food For Songs ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #76 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------