From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #73 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 16 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 073 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: FW: Message from Website [waytoblue@comcast.net] Saddest Song...or anthem? [Gordon G Mackie ] STAS....connected... [Motitan@aol.com] Fwd: FW: Message from Website [kenevans@umich.edu] Shadows & Light, Forrest Hills, Mingus raps misc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Jonifest [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: Question about Blue on Vinyl ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: njc, Papa and Joni, they bless me ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Jonifest [Motitan@aol.com] Joni reference [Motitan@aol.com] sjc, a Joni email from my son ["Patti Parlette" ] Some good questions, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Jonifest [Bob Muller ] RE: Jonifest ["patrick leader" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:00:53 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: FW: Message from Website > I am doing a research paper for a class. My paper is on "Big Yellow Taxi." I > can't seem to find anything on the line, "...a big yellow taxi took away my old > man" can someone tell me what this is a reference to? I would think it means, Joni and her "old man", meaning lover, significant other, etc...live in a house. She wakes up, hears the screen door slam, and a taxi drives away with her old man in it. Maybe he's going on a trip and will be gone for a long time and she won't realize she misses him till he's gone. There's really no deeper meaning than the obvious one. example..."My old man is a singer in the park" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:02:31 +0000 From: Gordon G Mackie Subject: Saddest Song...or anthem? Oh say can you see? Nope. Gx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:26:10 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: STAS....connected... For the last week I have been listening to STAS extensively. The big difference from now and before is that I have listened to it more and it has "connected" with me. That's not to say, that I did not like it. I did actually like it upon first listen but felt a little distant from it. I hadn't developed that special connection that I have with some of Joni's other albums until recently! I mean, the songs, I did think were good, but they didn't speak to me until now! My favorites are Night In The City, The Dawntreader, and Cactus Tree (thanks to seeing the "pink dress" concert as everyone calls it here....Cactus Tree really did me in live there). Very nice album indeed. Solid debut. - -Monika, who is still waiting on Miles Of Aisles from the library....it was due on the 7th from the person who has it and he/she still has not returned it and it is killing me! I am so impatient sometimes man! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:15:28 -0500 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Fwd: FW: Message from Website Well gosh, you know the song is about loss. The first two verses refer to loss of a healthy environment whenever there's new construction or use of chemicals in agriculture. (At least that's how her worldview and that of most folks on this list would see it, although quite ironic that she still loves steak since cattle-raising is one of the biggest environmental hazards.) Then to take it from the wider world back down to the personal, she throws in a verse about her old man slamming the door and leaving in a taxi. Pretty simple really. Around this time her old man was Graham Nash, and they didn't last more than another year at best. If you haven't heard her next album Blue, it's about time you do, cause there's the fallout. Maybe I should explain--- since you're doing this for a class I figure you must be pretty young--- that in those days, in hip circles, a lady's "old man" meant her guy, somewhere more serious than just a boyfriend but not necessarily a husband. (this was very amusing really) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:21:19 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: FW: Message from Website Ummmm... OK. Please copy Karen on any responses. - - -----Original Message----- I am doing a research paper for a class. My paper is on "Big Yellow Taxi." I can't seem to find anything on the line, "...a big yellow taxi took away my old man" can someone tell me what this is a reference to? Name: Karen email: dancingk@jesusanswers.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:54:40 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Shadows & Light, Forrest Hills, Mingus raps misc Hi All Sorry I 'm throwing in all the little 2 cents comments in this email instead of writing separate ones With regards to Pat Metheny, I understand too why Bene finds him "less interesting". Let me be frank, Pat has a tendency to put me to sleep. It all depends on what he's playing. I first heard Pat live on the French radio in 76 and was very impressed. I love the 70's stuff but some later cds can be boring IMO. Last time I saw him was in july 05 and it was beautiful but..i almost fell asleep at some point. That being said, Pat's solo on S&L is the most beautiful lyrical guitar solo I have ever heard anywhere by anybody. It was interesting to hear the solo on Forrest Hills as it came across as a "rehearsal" for the S&L one. They were very similar but "almost" as perfect. Michael you may be right about Jaco's solo missing in Forrest Hills, I'm not sure at this point ..but to me it does not detract too much. Regarding the missing raps on Mingus remaster, I find Bene's question very pertinent. I found it quite shocking that the raps were not included. Sorry Bob I disagree with you when you write "they're a bit of a nuisance..". To me Mingus just is not complete without them . Perhaps it's just an emotional thing related to my life in 79 when Mingus came out, but isn't Joni about letting emotions flow out freely? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:40:12 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Question about Blue on Vinyl I recently acquired a sealed vinyl copy of Blue I bought on eBay. It's a sealed gatefold and on the spine it has the number Reprise 74842. Then on the back cover it has MS2038 Reprise. But on the front cover there are two stickers - one that says 180 Gram HQ Vinyl/RhinoVinyl and the second sticker says Premium Vinyl Pressng HQ-180 RTI Record Technology. Is there anyone out there that may know more about this pressing? When I won the copy, I thought it was simply a sealed copy of the LP. No mention was made about it being anything special. The stickers on the outside of the shrink rather surprised me. Anyone in the know have any more info on this particular pressing? Thanks for any help! Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:45:46 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest Just a quick reminder: All money, release forms, scholarship pledges, scholarship requests, completed registration forms, and donations to Les Irvin for JoniMitchell.com is due tomorrow! I can't believe we're this close! If you are ordering anything from the Jonifest store, this is also the time to do that. There are still beds available, so it's not too late to join us. What are you waiting for? Get off that fence and have the time of your life! See you soon, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:54:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Question about Blue on Vinyl Blue Joni Mitchell Label: Rhino Genre: Pop Product No.: ARHI 74842 Format: 180 Gram Vinyl One of the truly great recordings. An audiophile favorite for years. NOW MASTERED BY KEVIN GRAY and STEVE HOFFMAN at ACOUSTECH MASTERING and PRESSED AT RTI!!! Without a doubt, one of the most important and influential artists in all of contemporary music, Joni Mitchell is much more than a legendary icon of the singer-songwriter art form. Since her 1968 debut LP, the five-time Grammy winner has released a long string of stellar albums as emotionally powerful as they are stylistically diverse. This is her 1972 poetic masterpiece, now on 180-gram HQ vinyl. Featuring such memorable songs as "Carey," "All I Want" and "California." "This is a really wonderful album; Joni just laid it all out there for the world to hear. Brave, especially back in the dayI feel that this new version is the true giant killer. Unlike the original 1970's pressings, this new version was mastered without ANY added compression whatsoever, making it a true problem child in cutting (of our own making) but I wouldn't have it any other way. After many spoiled lacquer masters and one too many Altoids, it was finished to everybody's satisfaction. The effort was worth it. The bb and flow of the music is totally intact. Parts were cut, plated and pressed at Record Tech (RTI) and the actual 1971 Reprise master tape (as recorded and mixed at A&M Recording Studios) was used in disk cutting, bypassing the usual/"EQ'd and Compressed Cutting Master" completely. Unlike the DCC, most of the songs on this vinyl version were cut without ANY equalization at all so this will be the closest you will ever be able to get to the sound of the true master tape of Blue. It was exciting to work on and I'm sure it will please y'all."  Steve Hoffman, mastering engineer Track Listings 1. All I Want 2. My Old Man 3. Little Green 4. Carey 5. Blue 6. California 7. This Flight Tonight 8. River 9. A Case Of You 10. The Last Time I Saw Richard Gary Z wrote: > I recently acquired a sealed vinyl copy of Blue I bought on eBay. It's > a sealed gatefold and on the spine it has the number Reprise 74842. > Then on the back cover it has MS2038 Reprise. But on the front cover > there are two stickers - one that says 180 Gram HQ Vinyl/RhinoVinyl and > the second sticker says Premium Vinyl Pressng HQ-180 RTI Record > Technology. Is there anyone out there that may know more about this > pressing? > > When I won the copy, I thought it was simply a sealed copy of the LP. > No mention was made about it being anything special. The stickers on > the outside of the shrink rather surprised me. > > Anyone in the know have any more info on this particular pressing? > > Thanks for any help! > > Best regards, > > Gary Z. > Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:51:17 +0000 From: s.r.shanahan@att.net Subject: Jonifest Hello wonderful Joni fans: I'm an old Joni fan in my early 50's. I've liked her since I was in my teens and tend to like her old CD's more than her new but enjoy it all. Anyway, I've decided to attend the Jonifest this year in homage to the great artist Joni Mitchell who has certainly had a large impact on my life. I wrote songs and poetry in my younger years and she influenced many around me. I'm hoping the Jonifest might spark the creative feelings I used to have and am looking forward to relaxing and enjoying the excitement and music. I'm also wondering what it will be like as a gay man at the Jonifest. It might be a bit cold for one but I'm hoping that other gay people will be out and open there since I can't imagine Joni would be anything but welcoming to gay folks. I've noticed some gay members on this list. Anyone who can offer some perspective would be most appreciated! Thanks for listening. Steve in San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:26:34 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: PERSONAL LOAN njc Maybe this person heard that people are trying to get to Jonifest and he wanted to help them out. Victor NP: Washington @ Tampa Lightning 2-1!!!! On Feb 15, 2007, at 9:09 PM, Donell lee wrote: > > My Requiments are simple and easy. > > Please send your full contact information if you are > intrested, be sure i would help you and STATE THE > AMOUNT YOU NEED AND PERCENTAGE YOU WOULD PAY BACK. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:31:51 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, Papa and Joni, they bless me Thank you, Catherine and Ken, and everyone else who wrote off-list. It's a universal experience. I think it helps when we can be there for each other. I am so sorry for your losses, and everyone elses. Christ, ya know it ain't easy. And Mack, your friend Rosalie....I pray for her comfort every day. I cannot get my heart and mind around that one at all. Catherine wrote: my >stepmum had written on the calendar for January 25, >2000, "I lost Mike." That made it sadder and more >real, I think. Three simple words that summed it all >up. > "I lost Mike." Ohhh. Something about seeing words on paper makes it more real, doesn't it? And something about Joni validating your feelings does, too. For many days and weeks after my Dad died, these lyrics were constantly in my head: Love is gone Oooh love is gone Written on your spirit this sad song Love is gone But after being on this lonely road and processing, processing, processing, we learn of course that it's not really GONE, it's just very very different. Lesson in survival. And it's nice to know that it doesn't have to be such a lonely road -- that you can reach out to others to make it through these waves. NPIMH: Sometimes in our lives we all have pain We all have sorrow But if we are wise We know that there's always tomorrow Lean on me, when you're not strong And I'll be your friend I'll help you carry on For it won't be long 'Til I'm gonna need Somebody to lean on Please swallow your pride If I have things you need to borrow For no one can fill those of your needs That you don't let show Lean on me, when you're not strong And I'll be your friend I'll help you carry on For it won't be long 'Til I'm gonna need Somebody to lean on If there is a load you have to bear That you can't carry I'm right up the road I'll share your load If you just call me So just call on me brother, when you need a hand We all need somebody to lean on I just might have a problem that you'd understand We all need somebody to lean on Lean on me when you're not strong And I'll be your friend I'll help you carry on For it won't be long Till I'm gonna need Somebody to lean on Lean on me... Love, Patti P. > >--- kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > > > How brave of you to share this story. Your > > observations are so precise--I remember waking up on > > the day of my own father's funeral thinking the same > > thing: How am I going to get through this day?" It > > is all so surreal. > > Ken > > > >Same from me, Patti. I get it. > >Seven years ago January 25, my own Dad died, very >suddenly and unexpectedly. I had lost my mother five >years earlier, so Dad's death left me an orphan. > >Dad had remarried. He met a woman a year after my Mum >left us, and married this woman the next year. I >remember going over to my parents' place a week or so >after the funeral, to discuss with the guy from Royal >Trust about the will and so on, and seeing that my >stepmum had written on the calendar for January 25, >2000, "I lost Mike." That made it sadder and more >real, I think. Three simple words that summed it all >up. > > >Catherine >Toronto _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:46:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Jonifest It will almost be like a Pridefest :) Plenty of all kinds of people, all accepting, all loving Joni. Jerry s.r.shanahan@att.net wrote: > I'm also wondering what it will be like as a gay man at the Jonifest. It > might be a bit cold for one but I'm hoping that other gay people will be > out and open there since I can't imagine Joni would be anything but > welcoming to gay folks. I've noticed some gay members on this list. > > Anyone who can offer some perspective would be most appreciated! Thanks > for listening. > > Steve in San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:50:27 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest Hey Steve. Welcome. I don't know for sure but I think Jonifest is going to be a blast! I've never been to one either. As for people being open, well I don't see why anyone wouldn't be. It seems like a nice bunch here. Good times to be had as well! And I must say, I am very jealous of you because you live in San Francisco. It's a beautiful city. I went there the summer before this last one and can honestly say it was one of the best vacations I have ever been on. I miss it really. Welcome again! - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:58:38 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni reference Rachel Fuller, Pete Townshend's girlfriend does an internet show called "In The Attic." Well, I guess they had a launch party for it and had some musicians play including the above. Rachel Fuller's a singer/songwriter type but in my opinion I'm not sure how serious she is about it. She seems to like to just hang around with Pete and play music when she gets the chance. She has had an album out though. Anyhow, out of the 2 songs she performed at this, she played Joni's "Blue." So...Joni's influence remains strong and true! - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 03:03:52 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: sjc, a Joni email from my son I was very touched to get this email from my older son, who teases me incessantly about my Joniness: "Subject : Did you see #3 on this list? http://www.sixnewthings.com/ " It's about her ballet. Sweet boy. I wrote back and thanked him, and told him that we (the jmdl) are all abuzz about this already. LOL...this is the son who told me he heard (on CNN...yeah, right!) that Joni is going to be doing ONE concert, in Montreal, on June 30th. That's when he's getting married, so I told him (without skipping a beat) that I'm sorry, he'll just have to find another mother of the groom. We all have priorities! Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:35:44 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Some good questions, njc > How important does a person have to be before they are considered > assassinated instead of just murdered? > > Since bread is square, then why is sandwich meat round? > > Why do you have to "put your two cents in"... but it's only a "penny for > your thoughts"? Where's that extra penny going to? > > Once you're in heaven, do you get stuck wearing the clothes you were > buried > in for eternity? > > Why does a round pizza come in a square box? > > What disease did cured ham actually have? > > How is it that we put man on the moon before we figured out it would be a > good idea to put wheels on luggage? > > Why is it that people say they "slept like a baby" when babies wake up > like > every two hours? > > If a deaf person has to go to court, is it still called a hearing? > > If you drink Pepsi at work in the Coke factory, will they fire you? > > Why are you IN a movie, but you're ON TV? > > Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in > binoculars > to look at things on the ground? > > How come we choose from just two people for President and fifty for Miss > America? > > Why do doctors leave the room while you change? ?They're going to see you > naked anyway. > > If a 911 operator has a heart attack, whom does he/she call? > > Why is "bra" singular and "panties" plural? > > Do illiterate people get the full effect of Alphabet soup? > > Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, "I think I'll squeeze > these dangly things here, and drink whatever comes out!" > > Why do toasters always have a setting that burns the toast to a horrible > crisp, which no decent human being would eat? > > When your photo is taken for your driver's license, why do they tell you > to > smile? ?If you are stopped by the police and asked for your license, are > you > going to be smiling? > > If Jimmy cracks corn and no one cares, why is there a stupid song about > him? > > Can a hearse carrying a corpse drive in the carpool lane? > > If the professor on Gilligan's Island can make a radio out of a coconut, > why > can't he fix a hole in a boat? > > Why do people point to their wrist when asking for the time, but don't > point to their crotch when they ask where the bathroom is? > > Why does Goofy stand erect while Pluto remains on all fours? ?They're > both > dogs! > > What do you call male ballerinas? > > Did you ever notice that when you blow in a dog's face, he gets mad at > you, > but when you take him for a car ride; he sticks his head out the window? > > Can blind people see their dreams? > > If Wyle E. Coyote had enough money to buy all that ACME crap, why didn't > he > just buy dinner? > > If corn oil is made from corn, and vegetable oil is made from vegetables, > what is baby oil made from? > > If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons? > > Is Disney World the only people trap operated by a mouse? > > Do the Alphabet song and Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star have the same tune? > > Why did you just try singing the two songs above? > > Why do they call it an asteroid when it's outside the hemisphere, but > call > it a hemorrhoid when it's in your butt? > > Have you ever wondered why you gave me your e-mail address in the first > place? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:11:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Jonifest It's not an issue at all, Steve - I'm straight and have probably been in the minority at the Jonifests (I've been to 8 or so) but I'm not really sure and anyway it doesn't matter in any way whatsoever. It is an atmosphere of joy and acceptance unlike anything I've ever experienced. You'll know what I mean when you're there. Glad to hear that you're gonna make it and look forward to meeting you. Joni fans rule. Bob The Bad Plus, "Silence Is The Question" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:31:45 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Jonifest steve- i've been to nearly every event of this community that could be called a jonifest since 1998, as a very out gay man, and never had any issue at all. i guarantee you will feel comfortable. i'm looking forward to meeting you and hearing more about your love of joni etc. patrick in new york - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of s.r.shanahan@att.net Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:51 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Jonifest Hello wonderful Joni fans: I'm an old Joni fan in my early 50's. I've liked her since I was in my teens and tend to like her old CD's more than her new but enjoy it all. Anyway, I've decided to attend the Jonifest this year in homage to the great artist Joni Mitchell who has certainly had a large impact on my life. I wrote songs and poetry in my younger years and she influenced many around me. I'm hoping the Jonifest might spark the creative feelings I used to have and am looking forward to relaxing and enjoying the excitement and music. I'm also wondering what it will be like as a gay man at the Jonifest. It might be a bit cold for one but I'm hoping that other gay people will be out and open there since I can't imagine Joni would be anything but welcoming to gay folks. I've noticed some gay members on this list. Anyone who can offer some perspective would be most appreciated! Thanks for listening. Steve in San Francisco ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #73 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------